History Headscratchers / Ooku

21st Jan '16 2:58:22 AM kazokuhouou
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*** Harusada said as much.
12th Oct '15 8:53:03 PM kazokuhouou
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** If they're meant to be the same age as their real life counterparts [[spoiler: she ''would'' be in her late thirties, so it would be harder for her to produce an heir. This is actually a pretty sound guess.]]

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** If they're meant to be the same age as their real life counterparts [[spoiler: she ''would'' be in her late thirties, so it would be harder for her to produce an heir. This is actually a pretty sound guess.]]
** Another thing I thought about: [[spoiler: better she asserts his rights ''now'' rather than at the point of death, making it harder for him to inherit the throne and sparking another succession crisis between Ienari and other descendants of Ieyasu.
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21st Jan '15 9:07:38 PM Romanticide
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** [[spoiler: The vaccine was discovered and experimented by japanese so at the end the answer could be a no. ]]
11th Dec '14 11:44:39 PM kazokuhouou
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** [[spoiler:My assumption was that if she did, they would have expected her to produce a girl heir, and she knew that it was getting more likely that she wouldn't get pregnant again at all, so better to go with the heir she already has. Like she says, there's no fear of Toyochiyo dying of the redface pox, and he can attempt reproduction as often as he likes. Unlike his predecessors, he's not limited by a single womb[[note]]given that so many heirs have died as a result of poor health from birth- although this may also be a problem with the medical knowledge of their time[[/note]]. (And as mentioned far above, he ''definitely'' does his darnedest to spread his seed around.)]]

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** [[spoiler:My assumption was that if she did, they would have expected her to produce a girl heir, and she knew that it was getting more likely that she wouldn't get pregnant again at all, so better to go with the heir she already has. Like she says, there's no fear of Toyochiyo dying of the redface pox, and he can attempt reproduction as often as he likes. Unlike his predecessors, he's not limited by a single womb[[note]]given that so many heirs have died as a result of poor health from birth- although this may also be a problem with the medical knowledge of their time[[/note]]. (And as mentioned far above, he ''definitely'' does his darnedest to spread his seed around.)]])]]
** If they're meant to be the same age as their real life counterparts [[spoiler: she ''would'' be in her late thirties, so it would be harder for her to produce an heir. This is actually a pretty sound guess.]]
11th Dec '14 9:19:29 PM Illemar
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** [[spoiler:My assumption was that if she did, they would have expected her to produce a girl heir, and she knew that it was getting more likely that she wouldn't get pregnant again at all, so better to go with the heir she already has. Like she says, there's no fear of Toyochiyo dying of the redface pox, and he can attempt reproduction as often as he likes. Unlike his predecessors, he's not limited by a single womb. (And as mentioned far above, he ''definitely'' does his darnedest to spread his seed around.)]]

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** [[spoiler:My assumption was that if she did, they would have expected her to produce a girl heir, and she knew that it was getting more likely that she wouldn't get pregnant again at all, so better to go with the heir she already has. Like she says, there's no fear of Toyochiyo dying of the redface pox, and he can attempt reproduction as often as he likes. Unlike his predecessors, he's not limited by a single womb.womb[[note]]given that so many heirs have died as a result of poor health from birth- although this may also be a problem with the medical knowledge of their time[[/note]]. (And as mentioned far above, he ''definitely'' does his darnedest to spread his seed around.)]]
11th Dec '14 9:23:42 AM Illemar
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* I just realized a premise-induced plot hole: [[spoiler: why did Harusada relinquish her claim to the shogunate? In real life Ienari became shogun because Ieharu had adopted him as his heir, but in the Ookuverse, unless I missed something, the female Ieharu did no such thing. And certainly everyone had expected Harusada to become the next shogun. So why didn't she, other than the need to follow real life history as close as possible (which isn't a reason in universe)]]?

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* I just realized a premise-induced plot hole: [[spoiler: why did Harusada relinquish her claim to the shogunate? In real life Ienari became shogun because Ieharu had adopted him as his heir, but in the Ookuverse, unless I missed something, the female Ieharu did no such thing. And certainly everyone had expected Harusada to become the next shogun. So why didn't she, other than the need to follow real life history as close as possible (which isn't a reason in universe)]]?universe)]]?
** [[spoiler:My assumption was that if she did, they would have expected her to produce a girl heir, and she knew that it was getting more likely that she wouldn't get pregnant again at all, so better to go with the heir she already has. Like she says, there's no fear of Toyochiyo dying of the redface pox, and he can attempt reproduction as often as he likes. Unlike his predecessors, he's not limited by a single womb. (And as mentioned far above, he ''definitely'' does his darnedest to spread his seed around.)]]
8th Dec '14 11:28:43 PM kazokuhouou
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* I just realized a premise-induced plot hole: why did Harusada relinquish her claim to the shogunate? In real life Ienari became shogun because Ieharu had adopted him as his heir, but in the Ookuverse, unless I missed something, the female Ieharu did no such thing. And certainly everyone had expected Harusada to become the next shogun. So why didn't she, other than the need to follow real life history as close as possible (which isn't a reason in universe)?

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* I just realized a premise-induced plot hole: [[spoiler: why did Harusada relinquish her claim to the shogunate? In real life Ienari became shogun because Ieharu had adopted him as his heir, but in the Ookuverse, unless I missed something, the female Ieharu did no such thing. And certainly everyone had expected Harusada to become the next shogun. So why didn't she, other than the need to follow real life history as close as possible (which isn't a reason in universe)?universe)]]?
6th Dec '14 5:45:16 PM kazokuhouou
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* I just realized a premise-induced plot hole: why did Harusada relinquish her claim to the shogunate? In real life Ienari became shogun because Ieharu had adopted him as heir, but in the Ookuverse, unless I missed something, Ieharu did no such thing. And certainly everyone had expected Harusada to become the next shogun. So why didn't she, other than the need to follow real life history as close as possible (which isn't a reason in universe)?

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* I just realized a premise-induced plot hole: why did Harusada relinquish her claim to the shogunate? In real life Ienari became shogun because Ieharu had adopted him as his heir, but in the Ookuverse, unless I missed something, the female Ieharu did no such thing. And certainly everyone had expected Harusada to become the next shogun. So why didn't she, other than the need to follow real life history as close as possible (which isn't a reason in universe)?
6th Dec '14 1:10:28 PM kazokuhouou
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***** We might see some changes soon then, cause Volume 9 ends right in the middle of Go-Sakuramachi's time on the throne.

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***** We might see some changes soon then, cause Volume 9 ends right in the middle of Go-Sakuramachi's time on the throne.throne.
* I just realized a premise-induced plot hole: why did Harusada relinquish her claim to the shogunate? In real life Ienari became shogun because Ieharu had adopted him as heir, but in the Ookuverse, unless I missed something, Ieharu did no such thing. And certainly everyone had expected Harusada to become the next shogun. So why didn't she, other than the need to follow real life history as close as possible (which isn't a reason in universe)?
26th Nov '14 7:29:43 PM kazokuhouou
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** Well, it's not completely eradicated [[spoiler: but Ienari is indeed the first male shogun.]]
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