History Headscratchers / OnceUponATime

11th Jul '17 9:12:56 AM inspibrain101
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* Second Question: Jekyll is very well established at this point to be a logical person, not overtaken with passions. So, was Jekyll's plan of revenge something hatched when Hyde discovered that Rumpelstiltskin had a wife and son? Or was it something that hatched when he was on the ship with her? If the former, you'd think he'd turn to poison, or some sort of trap, something much easier to pull off than ''physically killing Belle''. If the latter, what exactly set that off? Terrible, terrible time to be plotting a revenge scheme. And even then, Jekyll could easily come up with at least ten easy, efficient ways to kill Belle in the ten minutes he was on the ship with her. I understand entirely that the writers needed some dramatic way to show that in order to kill the doppelganger, you have to kill the original... but did the entire situation seem ''too'' contrived?

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* Second Question: Jekyll is very well established at this point to be a logical person, not overtaken with passions. So, was Jekyll's plan of revenge something hatched when Hyde discovered that Rumpelstiltskin had a wife and son? Or was it something that hatched when he was on the ship with her? If the former, you'd think he'd turn to poison, or some sort of trap, something much easier to pull off than ''physically killing Belle''. If the latter, what exactly set that off? Terrible, terrible time to be plotting a revenge scheme. And even then, Jekyll could easily come up with at least ten easy, efficient ways to kill Belle in the ten minutes he was on the ship with her. At the very least, a physical attack seems highly out of character. I understand entirely that the writers needed some dramatic way to show that in order to kill the doppelganger, you have to kill the original... but did the entire situation seem ''too'' contrived?
11th Jul '17 9:08:36 AM inspibrain101
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* The reveal in 6X04 that Jekyll is a bit of a villain himself, aside from being disappointing to this viewer, didn't make much sense to me at all. I can understand perfectly that Jekyll blames Rumpelstiltskin for the death of Mary and for ruining his life, and it's not a stretch at all to think that he would want to get revenge by hurting Belle... but the way it plays out doesn't make any sense. First of all, the big tipoff (aside from the ominous flashbacks) is when Jekyll refers to Mary as being "his". Now, granted, this paints Jekyll as being slightly possessive or misogynistic, but that's not really anything new; and while it might not be the most endearing trait, it's not exactly evil (unless you're a feminist). At the very least, it becomes obvious to the average person listening to this conversation out of context that Jekyll's relationship with Mary wasn't exactly a fairy tale romance... but then, why would anyone expect it to be? So my first question is, why was Belle suddenly terrified for her life? She reached for her life alert shell before Jekyll did anything untoward.
* Second Question: Jekyll is very well established at this point to be a logical person, not overtaken with passions. So, was Jekyll's plan of revenge something hatched when Hyde discovered that Rumpelstiltskin had a wife and son? Or was it something that hatched when he was on the ship with her? If the former, you'd think he'd turn to poison, or some sort of trap, something much easier to pull off than ''physically killing Belle''. If the latter, what exactly set that off? Terrible, terrible time to be plotting a revenge scheme. And even then, Jekyll could easily come up with at least ten easy, efficient ways to kill Belle in the ten minutes he was on the ship with her. I understand entirely that the writers needed some dramatic way to show that in order to kill the doppelganger, you have to kill the original... but did the entire situation seem ''too'' contrived?
5th Jul '17 6:41:27 PM cillianflood
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** Henr wasn't even born at that point. They see a prepubescent Emma. It's 10 years after the curse had started.
30th Jun '17 5:09:00 PM 4power4
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** The idea that the curse can be outrun makes no sense given all the details we have about it, so its unlikely being in the sea would have prevented her from being taken anymore than a fairy being in the sky. But regardless, if Regina really wanted to, she could have brought Ariel over, made her a mute, and made her a cripple, and have Eric a fish eating sailor who was married to another woman named Vanessa with Ariel desperately in love with him but unable to express it. Why didn't she? Because she didn't want to. She had already cursed Ariel by taking her voice and ruining her chance at love AND by bring eric to a place where even if she could get to him, he would have no memory of her, she wouldn't be able to talk to him, and she would still be a mermaid, so her original issue is made just a little worse. Ariel wasn't left out. She just wasn't brought to Storybrooke. She was still cursed.
10th Jun '17 7:20:53 PM 4power4
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** Regina and Maleficent's conversation seems to imply otherwise. While Maleficent did put Aurora under the sleeping curse, it seems as if her target had been Aurora's mother (who in this version, according to Word Of God, is Briar Rose, a sleeping beauty prior to Aurora). So Maleficent wasn't on top because she didn't really get what she wanted. She just settled. In her own words, [Briar Rose] got the best of her, but she soldiered on, and got a pet (the unicorn) to comfort her and was advising Regina to do the same.
25th May '17 1:43:57 AM Ingonyama
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** Because at the time she kissed Graham, she didn't believe in magic. She did when she kissed Henry, and that made all the difference.
** Also of course it is possible to have more than one True Love because Regina does (and depending on your views, Emma either had Graham and Hook, Neal and Hook, or ''all three'').
25th May '17 1:10:59 AM Ingonyama
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** Also keep in mind what Gold and the Dragon said at the end of season 5--Earth is not ''really'' the Land With No Magic, it is there but weak and can only do things when someone believes in it strongly enough. And who do we know was in Storybrooke under the curse, but believed in magic no matter what anyone else told him? Henry. Since the evil which produced the flower in question had to be Regina (she was the only evil in close proximity), it makes sense it'd he Henry's belief that would make the flower grow in response to her. The reason there was only one, despite Regina being much more evil then, would be because of the weakness of Earth's magic.
16th May '17 4:43:29 PM nombretomado
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** You can handwave it the same way you do the seemingly miniscule police force of ''TwinPeaks''. We only see the police that are plot relevant, and everyone else is out of focus.

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** You can handwave it the same way you do the seemingly miniscule police force of ''TwinPeaks''.''Series/TwinPeaks''. We only see the police that are plot relevant, and everyone else is out of focus.
15th May '17 12:48:56 AM EricW
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Because let's face it. When you're combining all storybook stories together, a few questions are going to come up.
21st Apr '17 5:31:19 PM fearlessnikki
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** It only denied them because Snow was pregnant. She was already established as 'good', but Emma inside her had potential for evil and thus couldn't pick a side. Snow would have to wait until she'd given birth to Emma before she could get answers from the tree. And the Dark Curse was a time-sensitive problem - so that's why they did the stunt of siphoning Emma's potential for evil into Lily.


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** Well to be fair, Snow's reluctance towards killing Regina was based around the fact that she'd spent well over ten years with the latter as her stepmother, and she knew what a victim Regina had been of Cora's meddling. She didn't want to kill Regina in cold blood or execute her when they'd already won. Gideon meanwhile is actively trying to kill, and Snow is slightly prejudiced by the fact that it's her daughter who is his main target (as well as there being outright proof - Emma's vision - that she dies). So she might not be thinking with the most rational mind.


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** Don't forget that Maleficent was brought over in her dragon form, and was there sleeping in the mines. So magic was still there to some extent; it's just that Rumple and Regina couldn't use their powers. The curse itself was magic - as it cut off the town from the rest of the world and reset time in a sort of GroundhogDayLoop every day. So logically the Pixie flower could grow, but maybe it was slowed down by the curse, and thus couldn't properly sprout until ten years into it.
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