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13th Sep '17 12:11:46 AM cillianflood
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*I get the broad strokes of Kaworu's character and what effect it has on Shinji, but every specific detail about him seems to be contradictory. First of all, why was he created? He's another angel, another obstacle stopping Seele from achieving their goals. Unless him merging with Adam actually would accomplish their goals, which would make sense of his actions, except Seele expressly say they want Eva 01 to kill him. So why send someone you want to lose? Is it just to fulfill the Dead Sea Scroll prophecies? There has to be seventeen angels? In that case, sure, create him, but then shoot him in the back of the head as soon as you can. It's not like EVAs are a divine requirement to defeat angels since the nanovirus one was defeated without an EVA. Hell defeating the last angel themselves would seriously help there move against Gendo since they could launch a surprise attack while he still thinks there's one more angel around.

Next is his motivation. He says he wants humanity to live, great idea. So then why is he going along with any of Seele's plans. Why attack Terminal Dogma? Why not just spend his days listening to Mozart and banging Shinji? It's not like there's mind control implants or anything forcing him to act out his angel goals. He seems to be entirely in control of his actions. Is it just because he's suicidally depressed? In that case why not just kill himself? He's not a robot. Self terminating should be within his abilities (Rei was able to do it after all, albeit via heroic sacrafice). Does he have an obsessive need for Shinji to kill him? Doesn't seem like it since he only goes that root after noticing it's lilith and not adam in the terminal dogma. Which brings me to the gratest headscratcher of all. Why was he surprised by this and why was he even attacking the terminal in the first place? Seele told him Adam has been grafted to Gendo just moments before he started the attack. Unless he thinks Gendo is down there then he has no reason to go to the terminal dogma. Unless his desire is to fuse with lillith which it clearly isn't because he didn't do it when he had the chance. The only reason he has to be surprised to see Lilith instead of Adam would be to confuse someone else which definitely isn't the case since he shit off all monitoring capabilites and the only person around (Shinji) is too clueless about all this, too far away to see his surprised exression (which was facing away from him) and too busy fighting Unit 02 to notice.

From what it seems, Kaowru's character consists of someone who was made purposely to impede his creators progress, doesn't want to destroy the world yet tries to anyway and then immediately stops trying and forces someone else to kill him the moment he discovers a vital piece of information he already knew.
11th Sep '17 2:29:04 AM cillianflood
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**I'm surprised no one noted that half the angels did attack at once for the finale in the original concept.


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**Foreign governments are in one of two situations. Either A) They don't know how about the world ending potential of the Angels. In which case why should they care about Japan's giant monster problem? If they try to move towards China they'll nuke him but for the time being it's Japan's problem and Japan insists they're capable of handling it. B) They are aware of the world destroying potential and are also aware that destroying all of nerve and the geofront in the collateral damage would be not worth it unless they're dealing with the final angel. Granted that's not an excuse for the angels that appear in orbit. Shooting a nuke at them would probably have worked although it probably would have loaded Tokyo 3 (and all of Japan most likely) with fallout.


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*Why don't they just destroy Adam? Obviously it's not what Gendo or Seele want but like Kaji or Ritsuko. I mean what would happen?
*So what broke Shinji out of his funk? I don't have an easy time empathising with the character (or themes of the series) since I've always been firmly in the Humanity is Awesome camp. So correct me if I'm wrong but from what I can see there isn't anything to actually change Shinji's opinion of the world and himself. He never witness any acts of kindness or selflessness. The world is shit, nobody likes him (except that one guy he murdered), everybody is selfobsessed, daddy never gives him the love he craves and the world got destroyed by selfish people for their own selfish reasons. Why would he have any positivity in such a situation? I mean I probably would but I can't see any rationale as to why Shinji's character would get over his problems in the given situation. Is depression really so easy to conquer that all it takes is some navel gazing and introspection to realise that being happy is better?
*Why wasn't Kaworu introduced earlier in the original anime? He was in the Rebuild and Manga films from what I heard. Wasn't it kind of obvious that this character is kind of important and needed more than twenty minutes screen time (five of which is a single wordless frame). Just makes it seem like they were making things up as they went a long (which doesn't seem to be the case given everything else). Even some foreshadowing to a fifth kid being trained or something would have made things seem so less...sudden.
4th Jul '17 5:36:18 PM nombretomado
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*** See, what bugs me, though, is that according to TheOtherWiki, Adam was the First Angel and Lilith was the second, with the third being the first one battled in the series. If Lilith is expressly ''not'' an Angel, then how can humanity be number eighteen?

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*** See, what bugs me, though, is that according to TheOtherWiki, Wiki/TheOtherWiki, Adam was the First Angel and Lilith was the second, with the third being the first one battled in the series. If Lilith is expressly ''not'' an Angel, then how can humanity be number eighteen?
22nd Jun '17 10:29:17 PM Atha
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** Since when was Evangalion hard sci-fi? Alien robot mothers fighting an alien shapeshifter with a magic forcefield that shoots magic lasers, and the thing that suspends your disbelief is "The positron rifle doesn't work like it should."? All we know about the weapon is that positrons are somehow involved, and it shoots some kind of laser. They don't go into detail on how it works. Its possible that it uses the positrons as a power source instead, shooting the target with the gamma rays produced by the annihilation. Or it could use the energy to make a secondary laser, using the positrons as "batteries" so enough energy could be released at once. Or the beam could have other future stuff in it techno babbles the positrons into acting like they do here. It could even be a non-indicative name. Railguns don't shoot rails, coilguns don't shoot coils, assault rifles don't shoot assault, there is no reason positron rifles would necessarily shoot positrons.
22nd Jun '17 7:45:02 AM AlexDKZ
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*** Unless the LCL in the Rebuild movies works entirely different from the one in the series, nope, aquatic life can't live in it. Which makes 100% sense, just because LCL is breathable and non-toxic, that doesn' mean it can sustain life in the long run. We know that even slight changes of PH, chemical makeup, viscosity, clarity, temperature, etc, in sea water will kill plenty of organisms that have adapted to live in certain conditions (the massive worldwide loss of coral we are experiencing right now is a pretty good example of that), now imagine what would happen if water got replaced by an entirely different substance.
22nd Jun '17 7:10:37 AM AlexDKZ
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*The positron rifle always bothered me. If the rifle is really firing positrons, then we are talking about an anti-matter weapon here. Once the beam impacted the Angel, the effect wouldn't be a clean pierce but a massive explosion, one that would have bathed the area with gamma rays.
21st Jun '17 9:53:33 AM AlexDKZ
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*** A moment in the 1.0 movie (not sure if that happened in the series, been ages since I watched it) that showcases the "they are being watched" aspect pretty clearly: when Shinji goes into his first rebellious stroll through Tokyo-3. He walks around all sorts of seedy places and sleeps in a dirty alley covering himself in cardboard, seemingly alone and vulnerable. But when he got tired, all he had to do was to yell that he wanted to go back home, and several NERV agents appear out of thin air.
17th Jun '17 10:12:48 AM nombretomado
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*** ...true, because neither science fiction nor fantasy has ever offered a commentary on human nature and culture, particularly this or that aspect, couched in a metaphysical allegory within a genre background. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm just going to go watch a ''Franchise/PlanetOfTheApes'' / ''Film/{{District 9}}'' double feature, and then maybe read some KurtVonnegut right after my favorite episode of ''TheTwilightZone''. Unless they're showing ''2001ASpaceOdyssey'', that is...

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*** ...true, because neither science fiction nor fantasy has ever offered a commentary on human nature and culture, particularly this or that aspect, couched in a metaphysical allegory within a genre background. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm just going to go watch a ''Franchise/PlanetOfTheApes'' / ''Film/{{District 9}}'' double feature, and then maybe read some KurtVonnegut Creator/KurtVonnegut right after my favorite episode of ''TheTwilightZone''. Unless they're showing ''2001ASpaceOdyssey'', that is...
18th May '17 5:00:43 PM Atha
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** Its illegal to show "indecent material" in Japan without censorship, a law that has been applied even to pornography. The "Barbey doll" technique is one way to get around that, especially for something that is shown to a general audience. Its just censorship-they can't show a crotch with all the stuff it *should* have without the risk of a large fine.


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** She is incredibly desperate for affection and attention, and sees herself first and foremost as an ace Eva pilot. Shinji is the only male Eva pilot and thus the only person her age who could see her be the ace pilot she sees herself as. She has a crush on Kaji, the only other person remotely close to her age who is involved with NERV. Aside from that, Asuka and Shinji are alike in some ways (such as sharing mother issues), and they go through a lot together over the course of the series.
17th May '17 7:51:47 PM nombretomado
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*** Uh, no. There ''has'' been a carrier named ''Shangri-La'', but nobody in the Navy is that big a ''Wizard of Oz'' fan. The ship name is a very obscure UruseiYatsura ShoutOut, to a pair of episodes that introduce a Name'sTheSame character.

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*** Uh, no. There ''has'' been a carrier named ''Shangri-La'', but nobody in the Navy is that big a ''Wizard of Oz'' fan. The ship name is a very obscure UruseiYatsura Manga/UruseiYatsura ShoutOut, to a pair of episodes that introduce a Name'sTheSame character.
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