History Headscratchers / Musicians

9th Jan '16 8:20:09 AM Morgenthaler
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* Tropers/{{Alucard}}: [[DemotedToExtra Isn't It Sad?]] {{Blues}} was the biggest contributor to [[RockAndRoll Rock]], and now we have all these sections of Rock sub-genres with not enough devoted artists among them to make a Blues folder. The worst thing is that Blues is so ingrained into the sound of Rock that any artists we could add to such a folder would fit better in Rock ({{Cream}}, Music/{{Aerosmith}}, Music/LedZeppelin). When I was folderizing this, I briefly considered a Blues folder, then realized all I had to add to it was EricClapton. Isn't It Sad? [[spoiler: So anyone planning to make a B.B. King page?]]

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* Tropers/{{Alucard}}: [[DemotedToExtra Isn't It Sad?]] {{Blues}} was the biggest contributor to [[RockAndRoll Rock]], and now we have all these sections of Rock sub-genres with not enough devoted artists among them to make a Blues folder. The worst thing is that Blues is so ingrained into the sound of Rock that any artists we could add to such a folder would fit better in Rock ({{Cream}}, (Music/{{Cream}}, Music/{{Aerosmith}}, Music/LedZeppelin). When I was folderizing this, I briefly considered a Blues folder, then realized all I had to add to it was EricClapton. Isn't It Sad? [[spoiler: So anyone planning to make a B.B. King page?]]
3rd Jul '15 4:24:46 PM nombretomado
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* Why is it that popular, well-known pop artists (think KatyPerry or LadyGaga) tend to be the ones who gets the worst treatment by "[[TrueArt True Music]]" fans? Just because it's popular doesn't mean it's automatically bad. Somehow, it started off as a "I don't like this song" opinion to bashing at an artist and their fans because it's not "TrueArt". It's like hating what's cool to hate and their fans, really.

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* Why is it that popular, well-known pop artists (think KatyPerry or LadyGaga) Music/LadyGaga) tend to be the ones who gets the worst treatment by "[[TrueArt True Music]]" fans? Just because it's popular doesn't mean it's automatically bad. Somehow, it started off as a "I don't like this song" opinion to bashing at an artist and their fans because it's not "TrueArt". It's like hating what's cool to hate and their fans, really.
23rd Dec '14 8:49:09 AM Patachou
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** Tropers/{{Alucard}}: There's probably a mark-up explaining page or a thread in the forums explaining this, but just link JustBugsMe (no "It") to {{Subject}} with a / in the middle. Thus, [=JustBugsMe/GreenDay=] becomes JustBugsMe/GreenDay. Anyway, I'd love to see a page on JoeCocker or RoryGallagher, personally. I think the problem is that most Blues artists avoid the popular music scene, meaning no page (unless they're highly influential or talented).

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** Tropers/{{Alucard}}: There's probably a mark-up explaining page or a thread in the forums explaining this, but just link JustBugsMe (no "It") to {{Subject}} with a / in the middle. Thus, [=JustBugsMe/GreenDay=] becomes JustBugsMe/GreenDay. Anyway, I'd love to see a page on JoeCocker Music/JoeCocker or RoryGallagher, Music/RoryGallagher, personally. I think the problem is that most Blues artists avoid the popular music scene, meaning no page (unless they're highly influential or talented).
5th Oct '14 2:30:06 AM m8e
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** It also depends on which kind music you're talking about- in PunkRock and Music/HeavyMetal, the 80s are generally well regarded, as they represented periods of significant development in each genre and subculture. Hardcore Punk and ThrashMetal, in particular, were at their peak in this decade, and the output of that period still retains a very loyal fanbase. (Noting that the modern Metal subculture is largely derived from ThrashMetal, at the time the underdog to the more popular HairMetal, opinions of which are decidedly mixed.)

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** It also depends on which kind music you're talking about- in PunkRock and Music/HeavyMetal, HeavyMetal, the 80s are generally well regarded, as they represented periods of significant development in each genre and subculture. Hardcore Punk and ThrashMetal, in particular, were at their peak in this decade, and the output of that period still retains a very loyal fanbase. (Noting that the modern Metal subculture is largely derived from ThrashMetal, at the time the underdog to the more popular HairMetal, opinions of which are decidedly mixed.)
12th Aug '12 12:44:40 PM movie007
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* Tropers/{{Alucard}}: [[DemotedToExtra Isn't It Sad?]] {{Blues}} was the biggest contributor to [[RockAndRoll Rock]], and now we have all these sections of Rock sub-genres with not enough devoted artists among them to make a Blues folder. The worst thing is that Blues is so ingrained into the sound of Rock that any artists we could add to such a folder would fit better in Rock ({{Cream}}, Music/{{Aerosmith}}, LedZeppelin). When I was folderizing this, I briefly considered a Blues folder, then realized all I had to add to it was EricClapton. Isn't It Sad? [[spoiler: So anyone planning to make a B.B. King page?]]

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* Tropers/{{Alucard}}: [[DemotedToExtra Isn't It Sad?]] {{Blues}} was the biggest contributor to [[RockAndRoll Rock]], and now we have all these sections of Rock sub-genres with not enough devoted artists among them to make a Blues folder. The worst thing is that Blues is so ingrained into the sound of Rock that any artists we could add to such a folder would fit better in Rock ({{Cream}}, Music/{{Aerosmith}}, LedZeppelin).Music/LedZeppelin). When I was folderizing this, I briefly considered a Blues folder, then realized all I had to add to it was EricClapton. Isn't It Sad? [[spoiler: So anyone planning to make a B.B. King page?]]



** Most of the time, it's more that those musicians were originaly devoted to a certain style or sound and gave it up for wider appeal, other times it's because they were never popular for anything but their appearance or engineered audience. Oh, and other times people just complain to much.

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** Most of the time, it's more that those musicians were originaly devoted to a certain style or sound and gave it up for wider appeal, other times it's because they were never popular for anything but their appearance or engineered audience. Oh, and other times people just complain to much.much.
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14th Jun '12 10:55:10 PM DocNScary
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* Why is it that popular, well-known pop artists (think KatyPerry or LadyGaga) tend to be the ones who gets the worst treatment by "[[TrueArt True Music]]" fans? Just because it's popular doesn't mean it's automatically bad. Somehow, it started off as a "I don't like this song" opinion to bashing at an artist and their fans because it's not "TrueArt". It's like hating what's cool to hate and their fans, really.

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* Why is it that popular, well-known pop artists (think KatyPerry or LadyGaga) tend to be the ones who gets the worst treatment by "[[TrueArt True Music]]" fans? Just because it's popular doesn't mean it's automatically bad. Somehow, it started off as a "I don't like this song" opinion to bashing at an artist and their fans because it's not "TrueArt". It's like hating what's cool to hate and their fans, really.really.
** Most of the time, it's more that those musicians were originaly devoted to a certain style or sound and gave it up for wider appeal, other times it's because they were never popular for anything but their appearance or engineered audience. Oh, and other times people just complain to much.
4th Jun '12 7:35:13 PM Twentington
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*** TrueArtSticksItToTheMan. Popular music had, at to the point, been seen as something subversive and against the establishment, at first just by its very nature with the likes of Elvis and Little Richard being banned for supposed sexuality, and then directly with the likes of Bob Dylan railing against the Vietnam War and corrupt politicians. When we got to the eighties with rampant capitalism and Thatcher & Reagan, popular music actually seemed to side with them (the biggest selling artists of the decade such as Duran Duran and Huey Lewis and the News seemed to be celebrating consumerism).

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*** TrueArtSticksItToTheMan. Popular music had, at to the point, been seen as something subversive and against the establishment, at first just by its very nature with the likes of Elvis and Little Richard being banned for supposed sexuality, and then directly with the likes of Bob Dylan railing against the Vietnam War and corrupt politicians. When we got to the eighties with rampant capitalism and Thatcher & Reagan, popular music actually seemed to side with them (the biggest selling artists of the decade such as Duran Duran and Huey Lewis and the News seemed to be celebrating consumerism).
15th Apr '12 7:32:42 AM Charontine
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* why are most musicians being revered for their amazing musical talent, when everyone talks more about how hot they look or their crazy antics?
** Some people are shallow; some people are music freaks. Different strokes for different folks.

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* why Why are most musicians being revered for their amazing musical talent, when everyone talks more about how hot they look or their crazy antics?
** Some people are shallow; some people are music freaks. Different strokes for different folks.folks.
* Why is it that popular, well-known pop artists (think KatyPerry or LadyGaga) tend to be the ones who gets the worst treatment by "[[TrueArt True Music]]" fans? Just because it's popular doesn't mean it's automatically bad. Somehow, it started off as a "I don't like this song" opinion to bashing at an artist and their fans because it's not "TrueArt". It's like hating what's cool to hate and their fans, really.
3rd Feb '12 3:25:59 PM nameredacted
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** The 80's (or at least the bits people take the piss out of) was largely a TakeThat that got horrendously out of hand. Anyone remember The Human Leagues early hit Being Boiled Alive? No? That's because because it was the ''original'' line up who recorded that. After most of the band members left due to "creative differences" Philip Oakley drafted in two fit birds from the local pub and topped the charts. Some of the previous members, annoyed that their former band had "sold out" and gone pop decided to form Heaven 17, pose as a bunch of Yuppies and make incredibly polished, bland Pop songs about how great it was to be incredibly bland and polished to take the piss. Unfortunately, the joke was lost on actual Yuppies who lapped it up unironically. As a result, labels signed just about anyone they could find who fit the mold and what started as a genuinely disturbing and subversive rejection of Rocks hyperbolic somewhat ironically became a deliberately vacous celebration of all things tacky and souless. Compare Warm Leatherette by The Normal (an ode to being sexually excited by car crashes) to Too Shy by Kajagoogoo.

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** The 80's (or at least the bits people take the piss out of) was largely a TakeThat that got horrendously out of hand. Anyone remember The Human Leagues early hit Being Boiled Alive? No? That's because because it was the ''original'' line up who recorded that. After most of the band members left due to "creative differences" Philip Oakley drafted in two fit birds from the local pub and topped the charts. Some of the previous members, annoyed that their former band had "sold out" and gone pop decided to form Heaven 17, pose as a bunch of Yuppies and make incredibly polished, bland Pop songs about how great it was to be incredibly bland and polished to take the piss. Unfortunately, the joke was lost on actual Yuppies who lapped it up unironically. As a result, labels signed just about anyone they could find who fit the mold and what started as a genuinely disturbing and subversive rejection of Rocks hyperbolic somewhat ironically became a deliberately vacous celebration of all things tacky and souless. Compare Warm Leatherette by The Normal (an ode to being sexually excited by car crashes) (1978) to Too Shy by Kajagoogoo.Kajagoogoo (1983), who had themselves started as a far more experimental band before becoming frustrated and "going pop".




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*** Somewhat ironically, in a recent (and fascinating, if you're into that) TV documentary called Synth Britannia, the members of (I believe) OMD defended themselves against those who claimed it was too mechanical at the time by pointing out that they ''had'' to play every note by hand as sequencers were not yet commercially available, at least to bands of their income bracket. If you've ever tried to play sixteeth notes on a piano for longer than 30 seconds you'll know exactly what they're talking about. How they weren't all laid up with carpel tunnel is a medical mystery.
3rd Feb '12 3:11:40 PM nameredacted
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** The 80's (or at least the bits people take the piss out of) was largely a TakeThat that got horrendously out of hand. Anyone remember The Human Leagues early hit Being Boiled Alive? No? That's because because it was the ''original'' line up who recorded that. After most of the band members left due to "creative differences" Philip Oakley drafted in two fit birds from the local pub and topped the charts. Some of the previous members, annoyed that their former band had "sold out" and gone pop decided to form Heaven 17, pose as a bunch of Yuppies and make incredibly polished, bland Pop songs about how great it was to be incredibly bland and polished to take the piss. Unfortunately, the joke was lost on actual Yuppies who lapped it up unironically. As a result, labels signed just about anyone they could find who fit the mold and what started as a genuinely disturbing and subversive rejection of Rocks hyperbolic somewhat ironically became a deliberately vacous celebration of all things tacky and souless. Compare Warm Leatherette by The Normal (an ode to being sexually excited by car crashes) to Too Shy by Kajagoogoo.
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