History Headscratchers / Mulan

2nd May '18 11:27:51 AM ShorinBJ
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** Actually I always assumed it was a noble family who fall on hard times. They're rich enough to have a place to worship their ancestors (and that would mean they could recite ancestors or have a written record somewhere). Actually footbinding broke one's toes since it made the toes got very bent.

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** Actually I always assumed it was a noble family who fall on hard times. They're rich enough to have a place to worship their ancestors (and that would mean they could recite ancestors or have a written record somewhere). Actually footbinding broke one's toes since it made the toes got get very bent.



** I figured they were the Chinese equivalent of Yoemen in that they owned enough land for a decent farm but were not rich enough that they could hire people to work the farm for them.

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** I figured they were the Chinese equivalent of Yoemen yeomen in that they owned enough land for a decent farm but were not rich enough that they could hire people to work the farm for them.




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** Makes for some more FridgeBrilliance that he's so proud of his fire-breathing ability even though it's pretty weak; he's possibly the only dragon in China who can do it at all!





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\n*** As far as he knows, they'd just ''won'' the war. Thanks to Mulan. And her friends obviously don't care that she's a woman.




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** It seems not unthinkable that the real Great Stone Dragon was broken years ago and a replica put in its place. All Mushu did was smack its ear with his gong, whereupon the ear broke off...and the entire statue crumbled. RuleOfFunny aside, if this happened in real life, you wouldn't think that Mushu was so clumsy that the little bit he did reduced a high-quality statue to rubble, you'd think, "Man, that was a cheap piece of crap."



*** Bingo. It's likely that- as he did later on- Shan-Yu might've sent a few prisoners back with the word that The Great, Magnificent Shan-Yu has decided to test the Emperor and make sure everybody knows. It's also likely that while Chinese military intelligence isn't great, they can know that only *The* Shan-Yu of the Huns (rather than one of his kinsmen/subordinate commanders) would have the ability to command an army as large as the one that took the Great Wall.

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*** Bingo. It's likely that- that -- as he did later on- on -- Shan-Yu might've sent a few prisoners back with the word that The Great, Magnificent Shan-Yu has decided to test the Emperor and make sure everybody knows. It's also likely that while Chinese military intelligence isn't great, they can know that only *The* Shan-Yu of the Huns (rather than one of his kinsmen/subordinate commanders) would have the ability to command an army as large as the one that took the Great Wall.



** ...he explicitly says why in the movie.

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** ...he explicitly says why in the movie.



** A bigger puzzle will be how are the Huns able to convincingly perform the dragon dance itself to the point that no one in that big crowd as much as suspected that a bunch of imposters had hijacked the original dance troupe? The dragon dance is full of specialized and complex moves that are associated with symbolic meanings; these moves have to take place in accordance to specific timings and sequences; all moves require considerable coordination of fairly athletic actions among troupe members; and all the above also apply to the drummers providing the beat. If you are just randomly jumping or shaking about, it will be very obvious, and any crowd in China will very quickly and massively make known their disapproval of it. That is because it is not just disrespectful but downright very, very unlucky to mess up the dragon dance (both to performers as well as to the locale), as there are taboos and superstition associated with its correct performance. Put it another way, those Huns were such smooth operators, you'll have to think where they manage to fit in all those necessary dragon dance rehersals in their presumably otherwise very busy nomadic huntin' and raidin' steppes lifestyle.

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** A bigger puzzle will be how are the Huns able to convincingly perform the dragon dance itself to the point that no one in that big crowd as much as suspected that a bunch of imposters had hijacked the original dance troupe? The dragon dance is full of specialized and complex moves that are associated with symbolic meanings; these moves have to take place in accordance to specific timings and sequences; all moves require considerable coordination of fairly athletic actions among troupe members; and all the above also apply to the drummers providing the beat. If you are just randomly jumping or shaking about, it will be very obvious, and any crowd in China will very quickly and massively make known their disapproval of it. That is because it is not just disrespectful but downright very, very unlucky to mess up the dragon dance (both to performers as well as to the locale), as there are taboos and superstition associated with its correct performance. Put it another way, those Huns were such smooth operators, you'll have to think where they manage to fit in all those necessary dragon dance rehersals rehearsals in their presumably otherwise very busy nomadic huntin' and raidin' steppes lifestyle.
2nd May '18 11:06:28 AM ShorinBJ
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** Clearly he and Mulan weren't friends or anything more than acquaintances - or else she would have worried about him recognising her. So he's just going to assume that it's a son he never met. Only a close friend of Mulan's would really recognise her. People won't automatically assume the daughter cross-dressed to pose as a boy. They'll rationalise it as them never having met the son that Fa Zhou apparently "doesn't talk about". And since the Fa family appears to be a little better off, it's likely that Mulan isn't known that well to the locals. If they're of higher social class, then they won't have neighbours casually dropping in all the time.

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** **** Clearly he and Mulan weren't friends or anything more than acquaintances - or else she would have worried about him recognising her. So he's just going to assume that it's a son he never met. Only a close friend of Mulan's would really recognise her. People won't automatically assume the daughter cross-dressed to pose as a boy. They'll rationalise it as them never having met the son that Fa Zhou apparently "doesn't talk about". And since the Fa family appears to be a little better off, it's likely that Mulan isn't known that well to the locals. If they're of higher social class, then they won't have neighbours casually dropping in all the time.
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**** It's also possible that, though the young man was obviously not regular army, he was trained in martial arts, and was evaluated as being skilled enough to join the main force immediately.
30th Dec '17 10:37:34 PM Adeon
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** I figured they were the Chinese equivalent of Yoemen in that they owned enough land for a decent farm but were not rich enough that they could hire people to work the farm for them.
15th Dec '17 1:09:04 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** But people aren't GenreSavvy like that in real life. Clearly he and Mulan weren't friends or anything more than acquaintances - or else she would have worried about him recognising her. So he's just going to assume that it's a son he never met. Only a close friend of Mulan's would really recognise her. People won't automatically assume the daughter cross-dressed to pose as a boy. They'll rationalise it as them never having met the son that Fa Zhou apparently "doesn't talk about". And since the Fa family appears to be a little better off, it's likely that Mulan isn't known that well to the locals. If they're of higher social class, then they won't have neighbours casually dropping in all the time.

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** But people aren't GenreSavvy like that in real life. Clearly he and Mulan weren't friends or anything more than acquaintances - or else she would have worried about him recognising her. So he's just going to assume that it's a son he never met. Only a close friend of Mulan's would really recognise her. People won't automatically assume the daughter cross-dressed to pose as a boy. They'll rationalise it as them never having met the son that Fa Zhou apparently "doesn't talk about". And since the Fa family appears to be a little better off, it's likely that Mulan isn't known that well to the locals. If they're of higher social class, then they won't have neighbours casually dropping in all the time.
2nd Dec '17 2:34:12 AM alexteacherkorea
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*** In Chinese society, serving in the war was not just a duty - it was an honour. Honour was highly regarded in those days. Mulan being kicked out during the training stage would have brought even more disgrace on her family. Plus on a personal level, Mulan had already made a spectacle of herself at the Matchmaker's and again when she spoke out of turn in public. Going back home when she had tried to save her father would mean that she had frelled it up again. She wanted to prove that she could do something right.

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*** In Chinese society, serving in the war was not just a duty - it was an honour. Honour was highly regarded in those days. Mulan being kicked out during the training stage would have brought even more disgrace on her family. Plus on a personal level, Mulan had already made a spectacle of herself at the Matchmaker's and again when she spoke out of turn in public. Going back home when she had tried to save her father would mean that she had frelled messed it up again. She wanted to prove that she could do something right.
26th Aug '17 4:48:05 PM fearlessnikki
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** And let's not forget that she got kicked out of the army for ''high treason''. The only reason she wasn't executed on the spot was because Shang owed her. Yeah she killed a bunch of Huns with her avalanche trick, but things haven't ended well for her.
10th Aug '17 11:55:05 AM Korrasamilover
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**** The avalanche was big enough to bury the ENTIRE army. No horses were seen afterward, aside from Khan.
4th Apr '17 5:53:14 PM Sharlee
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** Of ''course'' Mushu breathes fire. When he's not animated to protect the family, [[FridgeBrilliance he's an incense burner!]]
4th Apr '17 5:44:44 PM Sharlee
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** And if the Imperial authorities caught on that Mulan was female ''after'' he'd backed up her ruse, they would have executed Mulan ''and her father''. He'd have abetted his daughter's crime. Even his wife might be charged with complicity, because she certainly knew there was no Li son.

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** And if the Imperial authorities caught on that Mulan was female ''after'' he'd backed up her ruse, they would have executed Mulan ''and her father''. He'd have abetted his daughter's crime. Even his wife might be charged with complicity, because she certainly knew there was no Li they didn't have a son.
4th Apr '17 5:43:59 PM Sharlee
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** And if the Imperial authorities caught on that Mulan was female ''after'' he'd backed up her ruse, they would have executed Mulan ''and her father''. He'd have abetted his daughter's crime.

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** And if the Imperial authorities caught on that Mulan was female ''after'' he'd backed up her ruse, they would have executed Mulan ''and her father''. He'd have abetted his daughter's crime.
crime. Even his wife might be charged with complicity, because she certainly knew there was no Li son.
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