History Headscratchers / Mulan

16th Mar '17 10:45:57 PM jormis29
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!!Mulan 2009 Movie

* Who exactly is the Caucasian-looking man (Played by Vitas) who is serving the Rouran chieftain and how did he get there?
** Some random Caucasian minority tribal living in the "barbarian" lands (there's quite a few of those tribes along the Silk Road, it turns out), and he got there by being competent at his job.
28th Jan '17 9:16:19 PM Adriantancy
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** A bigger puzzle will be how are the Huns able to convincingly perform the dragon dance itself to the point that no one in that big crowd as much as suspected that a bunch of imposters had hijacked the original dance troupe? The dragon dance is full of specialized and complex moves that are associated with specific symbolic meanings; these moves have to take place in accordance to fixed timings and sequences; all moves require considerable coordination of fairly athletic actions among troupe members; and the all the above also apply to the drummers providing the beat. If you are just randomly jumping around or shaking about, it will be very obvious, and any crowd in China will very quickly and massively hoot their disapproval to stop it. That is because it is not just disrespectful but downright very, very unlucky to mess up the dragon dance (both to performers as well as to the locale), as there are taboos and superstition associated with its correct performance. Put it another way, those Huns were such smooth operators, you'll have to think where they manage to fit in all those necessary dragon dance rehersals in their presumably otherwise busy nomadic huntin' and raidin' steppes lifestyle.

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** A bigger puzzle will be how are the Huns able to convincingly perform the dragon dance itself to the point that no one in that big crowd as much as suspected that a bunch of imposters had hijacked the original dance troupe? The dragon dance is full of specialized and complex moves that are associated with specific symbolic meanings; these moves have to take place in accordance to fixed specific timings and sequences; all moves require considerable coordination of fairly athletic actions among troupe members; and the all the above also apply to the drummers providing the beat. If you are just randomly jumping around or shaking about, it will be very obvious, and any crowd in China will very quickly and massively hoot make known their disapproval to stop of it. That is because it is not just disrespectful but downright very, very unlucky to mess up the dragon dance (both to performers as well as to the locale), as there are taboos and superstition associated with its correct performance. Put it another way, those Huns were such smooth operators, you'll have to think where they manage to fit in all those necessary dragon dance rehersals in their presumably otherwise very busy nomadic huntin' and raidin' steppes lifestyle.
28th Jan '17 8:20:32 PM Adriantancy
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** A bigger puzzle will be how are the Huns able to convincingly perform the dragon dance itself to the point that no one in that big crowd as much as suspected that a bunch of imposters had hijacked the original dance troupe? The dragon dance is full of specialized and complex moves that are associated with specific symbolic meanings; these moves have to take place in accordance to fixed timings and sequences; all moves require considerable coordination of fairly athletic actions among troupe members; and the all the above also apply to the drummers providing the beat. If you are just randomly jumping around or shaking about, it will be very obvious, and any crowd in China will massively hoot their disapproval. That is because it is not just disrespectful but downright very, very unlucky to mess up the dragon dance (both to performers as well as to the locale), as there are taboos and superstition associated with its correct performance. Put it another way, those Huns were such smooth operators, you'll have to think where they manage to fit in all those necessary dragon dance rehersals in their presumably busy nomadic huntin' and raidin' steppes lifestyle?

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** A bigger puzzle will be how are the Huns able to convincingly perform the dragon dance itself to the point that no one in that big crowd as much as suspected that a bunch of imposters had hijacked the original dance troupe? The dragon dance is full of specialized and complex moves that are associated with specific symbolic meanings; these moves have to take place in accordance to fixed timings and sequences; all moves require considerable coordination of fairly athletic actions among troupe members; and the all the above also apply to the drummers providing the beat. If you are just randomly jumping around or shaking about, it will be very obvious, and any crowd in China will very quickly and massively hoot their disapproval.disapproval to stop it. That is because it is not just disrespectful but downright very, very unlucky to mess up the dragon dance (both to performers as well as to the locale), as there are taboos and superstition associated with its correct performance. Put it another way, those Huns were such smooth operators, you'll have to think where they manage to fit in all those necessary dragon dance rehersals in their presumably otherwise busy nomadic huntin' and raidin' steppes lifestyle?
lifestyle.
28th Jan '17 8:14:46 PM Adriantancy
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** A bigger puzzle will be how are the Huns able to convincingly perform the dragon dance itself to the point that no one in that big crowd as much as suspected that a bunch of imposters had hijacked the original dance troupe? The dragon dance is full of specialized and complex moves that are associated with specific symbolic meanings; these moves have to take place in accordance to fixed timings and sequences; all moves require considerable coordination of fairly athletic actions among troupe members; and the all the above also apply to the drummers providing the beat. The Huns are not the types who will doing a whole lot of dragon dance rehersals during Saturday nights in the grassy steppes either.

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** A bigger puzzle will be how are the Huns able to convincingly perform the dragon dance itself to the point that no one in that big crowd as much as suspected that a bunch of imposters had hijacked the original dance troupe? The dragon dance is full of specialized and complex moves that are associated with specific symbolic meanings; these moves have to take place in accordance to fixed timings and sequences; all moves require considerable coordination of fairly athletic actions among troupe members; and the all the above also apply to the drummers providing the beat. The If you are just randomly jumping around or shaking about, it will be very obvious, and any crowd in China will massively hoot their disapproval. That is because it is not just disrespectful but downright very, very unlucky to mess up the dragon dance (both to performers as well as to the locale), as there are taboos and superstition associated with its correct performance. Put it another way, those Huns are not the types who will doing a whole lot of were such smooth operators, you'll have to think where they manage to fit in all those necessary dragon dance rehersals during Saturday nights in the grassy their presumably busy nomadic huntin' and raidin' steppes either.
lifestyle?
28th Jan '17 7:51:17 PM Adriantancy
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** A bigger puzzle will be how are the Huns able to convincingly perform the dragon dance itself to the point that no one in that big crowd as much as suspected that a bunch of imposters had hijacked the original dance troupe? The dragon dance is full of specialized and complex moves that are associated with specific symbolic meanings; these moves have to take place in accordance to fixed timings and sequences; all moves require considerable coordination of fairly athletic actions among troupe members; and the all the above also apply to the drummers providing the beat. The Huns are not the types who will doing a whole lot of dragon dance rehersals during Saturday nights in the grassy steppes either.
4th Dec '16 8:20:27 PM LBHills
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--> '''General Li:''' We'll set up defenses around your palace immediately
--> '''Emperor:''' No! Send your troops to protect my people

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--> '''General Li:''' We'll set up defenses around your palace immediately
immediately!
--> '''Emperor:''' No! Send your troops to protect my peoplepeople.




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*** Look at it from the Doylist perspective, rather than the Watsonian. There aren't any guards because it's a Disney movie, and the Huns are largely restricted to off-screen atrocities. If guards had been present, they'd have to be killed in a way that left as much as possible to the imagination. This would only impede the timing of the third act for the sake of plot-irrelevant KickTheDog moments. Therefore, there aren't any guards.



*** It's mentioned that the Emperor portrayed in the movie was the one who built the Great Wall (Shan-yu says at one point "By building his wall he challenged my strength"), which means this is Emperor Qin Shi Huang, the first Emperor of China, who unified the country in 221BC. If we date the movie based on his appearance, then no, the cannons are absolutely not historically accurate. But as the OP says, Mulan is an anachronistic movie at the best of times.
*** It's doubtful that it is Qin Shi Huang; the Qin walls were not very impressive and had to basically be rebuilt over and over and over again (like even the massively impressive Ming and Qing ones have had to be today). The cannons are probably historically inaccurate (given the time of the Xiongnu and their Shan-Yus), but they're probably well advanced from the first emperor.

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*** It's mentioned that the Emperor portrayed in the movie was the one who built by whose command the Great Wall was built (Shan-yu says at one point "By building his wall he challenged my strength"), which means this is Emperor Qin Shi Huang, the first Emperor of China, who unified the country in 221BC. If we date the movie based on his appearance, then no, the cannons are absolutely not historically accurate. But as the OP says, Mulan is an anachronistic movie at the best of times.
*** It's doubtful that it is Qin Shi Huang; the Qin walls were not very impressive and had to basically be rebuilt over and over and over again (like even the massively impressive Ming and Qing ones have had to be today). The cannons are still probably historically inaccurate (given the time of the Xiongnu and their Shan-Yus), but they're probably well advanced from the first emperor.



** Said dishonoring would also probably have drawn attention, and opened up some questions they wouldn't be able to answer. "Where'd that failure son of yours' come from?"

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** Said dishonoring would also probably have drawn attention, and opened up some questions they wouldn't be able to answer. "Where'd that failure son of yours' yours come from?"
** Mulan has not been told that her unit is intended only for emergency reserves. She only knows that the Huns have invaded and the Emperor has called on every family in China to do its part to repel the invasion. If she were to go home, there's no guarantee that the Huns wouldn't have shown up to butcher and burn her village. (And [[RightForTheWrongReasons that's what would have happened.]]) Shang's clearly having self-doubts about his own teaching ability, but Mulan shows that she's taken his words to heart.



** Because the spot where the Huns popped out of the snow like daisies was between Mulan and the imperial city. The Huns had a head start since they were ahead of Mulan and she had to be careful since she was just one person trying to sneak ahead of them without being noticed so probably took a more cautious route to the imperial city whilst the Huns just headed in a straight line.

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** Because the spot where the Huns popped out of the snow like daisies was between Mulan and the imperial city. Imperial City. The Huns had a head start since they were ahead of Mulan and she had to be careful since she was just one person trying to sneak ahead of them without being noticed so probably took a more cautious route to the imperial city whilst the Huns just headed in a straight line.
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** As for the dragon costume, clearly they mugged the actors... dancers... crew? Whatever you call them, they must have been assembling in a fairly private place before joining the procession.




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** Surely you know that in fiction, [[LawOfInverseFertility a couple's odds of having a son are inversely proportional to their desire to have one]]? Although adoption processes existed at ''some'' points in Chinese history, it's safe to assume AdoptionIsNotAnOption for the Fa parents (at least in terms of a legal heir.)
28th Nov '16 12:17:34 PM rufusluciusivan
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** Also, he may have feared that he wouldn't be able to fool everyone in the camp. After all, he didn't exactly know what kind of story Mulan told. If he said one thing wrong, Shang or Chi-Fu may have become suspicious and they may have discovered everything. He would have lost both his honor and his daughter.
24th Sep '16 5:58:42 PM fearlessnikki
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** But people aren't GenreSavvy like that in real life. Clearly he and Mulan weren't friends or anything more than acquaintances - or else she would have worried about him recognising her. So he's just going to assume that it's a son he never met. Only a close friend of Mulan's would really recognise her. People won't automatically assume the daughter cross-dressed to pose as a boy. They'll rationalise it as them never having met the son that Fa Zhou apparently "doesn't talk about". And since the Fa family appears to be a little better off, it's likely that Mulan isn't known that well to the locals. If they're of higher social class, then they won't have neighbours casually dropping in all the time.




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** Sons may be priority but any children will do. Daughters are simply used to secure alliances in marriages. So it's not as if Mulan was useless to them. And sons are only really priority to families with large amounts of property or titles.
14th Aug '16 5:55:33 AM Ribonuke211
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** Been a while since I've seen the movie, but I think she received a blow to the chest area, and it was enough to take her out. As to how she is in no pain whatsoever once she's been bandaged? Simple, the medic did his job. He treated her wound and gave her something to drink, likely something herbal, to dull the pain. Leaving a patient in agony is...not what a medic is supposed to do.

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** Been a while since I've seen the movie, but I think she received a blow to the chest area, right side, and it was enough to take her out. As to how she is in no pain whatsoever once she's been bandaged? Simple, the medic did his job. He treated her wound and gave her something to drink, likely something herbal, to dull the pain. Leaving a patient in agony is...not what a medic is supposed to do.
** She probably would have had to have kept drinking that tea to not stay doubled over in said agony, though; jumping around on rooftops after Huns is not fun with torn abdominal muscles.
** Yeah, this is a Disney movie...so they probably used some pixie dust or something to make her better.
19th Jul '16 10:49:18 PM Sharysa
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*** This troper always thought that in addition to not wanting to look bad, [[ReasonableAuthorityFigure Shang just felt bad about putting Ping on the front lines.]] Grown men, he can whip into shape, but [[JustAKid Ping is doing badly AND he's clearly much younger than everyone else.]] [[GoodIsNotNice You don't let naive teenagers get themselves killed.]]

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*** This troper always thought that in addition to not wanting to look bad, Ping's lack of progress, [[ReasonableAuthorityFigure Shang just felt bad about putting Ping on the front lines.]] Grown men, he can whip into shape, but [[JustAKid Ping is doing badly AND he's clearly he looks much younger than everyone else.]] [[GoodIsNotNice You don't let naive teenagers get themselves killed.]]
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