History Headscratchers / Mulan

4th Dec '16 8:20:27 PM LBHills
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--> '''General Li:''' We'll set up defenses around your palace immediately
--> '''Emperor:''' No! Send your troops to protect my people

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--> '''General Li:''' We'll set up defenses around your palace immediately
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--> '''Emperor:''' No! Send your troops to protect my peoplepeople.




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*** Look at it from the Doylist perspective, rather than the Watsonian. There aren't any guards because it's a Disney movie, and the Huns are largely restricted to off-screen atrocities. If guards had been present, they'd have to be killed in a way that left as much as possible to the imagination. This would only impede the timing of the third act for the sake of plot-irrelevant KickTheDog moments. Therefore, there aren't any guards.



*** It's mentioned that the Emperor portrayed in the movie was the one who built the Great Wall (Shan-yu says at one point "By building his wall he challenged my strength"), which means this is Emperor Qin Shi Huang, the first Emperor of China, who unified the country in 221BC. If we date the movie based on his appearance, then no, the cannons are absolutely not historically accurate. But as the OP says, Mulan is an anachronistic movie at the best of times.
*** It's doubtful that it is Qin Shi Huang; the Qin walls were not very impressive and had to basically be rebuilt over and over and over again (like even the massively impressive Ming and Qing ones have had to be today). The cannons are probably historically inaccurate (given the time of the Xiongnu and their Shan-Yus), but they're probably well advanced from the first emperor.

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*** It's mentioned that the Emperor portrayed in the movie was the one who built by whose command the Great Wall was built (Shan-yu says at one point "By building his wall he challenged my strength"), which means this is Emperor Qin Shi Huang, the first Emperor of China, who unified the country in 221BC. If we date the movie based on his appearance, then no, the cannons are absolutely not historically accurate. But as the OP says, Mulan is an anachronistic movie at the best of times.
*** It's doubtful that it is Qin Shi Huang; the Qin walls were not very impressive and had to basically be rebuilt over and over and over again (like even the massively impressive Ming and Qing ones have had to be today). The cannons are still probably historically inaccurate (given the time of the Xiongnu and their Shan-Yus), but they're probably well advanced from the first emperor.



** Said dishonoring would also probably have drawn attention, and opened up some questions they wouldn't be able to answer. "Where'd that failure son of yours' come from?"

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** Said dishonoring would also probably have drawn attention, and opened up some questions they wouldn't be able to answer. "Where'd that failure son of yours' yours come from?"
** Mulan has not been told that her unit is intended only for emergency reserves. She only knows that the Huns have invaded and the Emperor has called on every family in China to do its part to repel the invasion. If she were to go home, there's no guarantee that the Huns wouldn't have shown up to butcher and burn her village. (And [[RightForTheWrongReasons that's what would have happened.]]) Shang's clearly having self-doubts about his own teaching ability, but Mulan shows that she's taken his words to heart.



** Because the spot where the Huns popped out of the snow like daisies was between Mulan and the imperial city. The Huns had a head start since they were ahead of Mulan and she had to be careful since she was just one person trying to sneak ahead of them without being noticed so probably took a more cautious route to the imperial city whilst the Huns just headed in a straight line.

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** Because the spot where the Huns popped out of the snow like daisies was between Mulan and the imperial city. Imperial City. The Huns had a head start since they were ahead of Mulan and she had to be careful since she was just one person trying to sneak ahead of them without being noticed so probably took a more cautious route to the imperial city whilst the Huns just headed in a straight line.
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** As for the dragon costume, clearly they mugged the actors... dancers... crew? Whatever you call them, they must have been assembling in a fairly private place before joining the procession.




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** Surely you know that in fiction, [[LawOfInverseFertility a couple's odds of having a son are inversely proportional to their desire to have one]]? Although adoption processes existed at ''some'' points in Chinese history, it's safe to assume AdoptionIsNotAnOption for the Fa parents (at least in terms of a legal heir.)
28th Nov '16 12:17:34 PM rufusluciusivan
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** Also, he may have feared that he wouldn't be able to fool everyone in the camp. After all, he didn't exactly know what kind of story Mulan told. If he said one thing wrong, Shang or Chi-Fu may have become suspicious and they may have discovered everything. He would have lost both his honor and his daughter.
24th Sep '16 5:58:42 PM fearlessnikki
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** But people aren't GenreSavvy like that in real life. Clearly he and Mulan weren't friends or anything more than acquaintances - or else she would have worried about him recognising her. So he's just going to assume that it's a son he never met. Only a close friend of Mulan's would really recognise her. People won't automatically assume the daughter cross-dressed to pose as a boy. They'll rationalise it as them never having met the son that Fa Zhou apparently "doesn't talk about". And since the Fa family appears to be a little better off, it's likely that Mulan isn't known that well to the locals. If they're of higher social class, then they won't have neighbours casually dropping in all the time.




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** Sons may be priority but any children will do. Daughters are simply used to secure alliances in marriages. So it's not as if Mulan was useless to them. And sons are only really priority to families with large amounts of property or titles.
14th Aug '16 5:55:33 AM Ribonuke211
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** Been a while since I've seen the movie, but I think she received a blow to the chest area, and it was enough to take her out. As to how she is in no pain whatsoever once she's been bandaged? Simple, the medic did his job. He treated her wound and gave her something to drink, likely something herbal, to dull the pain. Leaving a patient in agony is...not what a medic is supposed to do.

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** Been a while since I've seen the movie, but I think she received a blow to the chest area, right side, and it was enough to take her out. As to how she is in no pain whatsoever once she's been bandaged? Simple, the medic did his job. He treated her wound and gave her something to drink, likely something herbal, to dull the pain. Leaving a patient in agony is...not what a medic is supposed to do.
** She probably would have had to have kept drinking that tea to not stay doubled over in said agony, though; jumping around on rooftops after Huns is not fun with torn abdominal muscles.
** Yeah, this is a Disney movie...so they probably used some pixie dust or something to make her better.
19th Jul '16 10:49:18 PM Sharysa
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*** This troper always thought that in addition to not wanting to look bad, [[ReasonableAuthorityFigure Shang just felt bad about putting Ping on the front lines.]] Grown men, he can whip into shape, but [[JustAKid Ping is doing badly AND he's clearly much younger than everyone else.]] [[GoodIsNotNice You don't let naive teenagers get themselves killed.]]

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*** This troper always thought that in addition to not wanting to look bad, Ping's lack of progress, [[ReasonableAuthorityFigure Shang just felt bad about putting Ping on the front lines.]] Grown men, he can whip into shape, but [[JustAKid Ping is doing badly AND he's clearly he looks much younger than everyone else.]] [[GoodIsNotNice You don't let naive teenagers get themselves killed.]]
19th Jul '16 10:48:28 PM Sharysa
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*** This troper always thought that in addition to not wanting to look bad, [[ReasonableAuthorityFigure Shang just felt bad about putting Ping on the front lines.]] Grown men, he can whip into shape, but [[JustAKid Ping is doing badly AND he's clearly much younger than everyone else.]] [[GoodIsNotNice You don't let naive teenagers get themselves killed.]]
7th Jul '16 5:28:32 AM Ohio9
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** I have to agree with this point. Mulan's father is an elderly crippled war hero. Even if they did make him serve, I'm sure he'd be given a staff officer position in a command tend far away from the front lines.
24th May '16 8:32:41 PM beatpole
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****But this raises another problem. The Hua boy is Mulan's neighbor and as a new recruit would have been sent to the same training camp she was. He, if no one else, should have realized that the Fa family had no sons but that they did have a single daughter about his age. And since the conscription order was for a male from every household, how many other friends and neighbors were there in camp that should have known there was no Ping, especially given how infamous she quickly became for her incompetence.
22nd May '16 2:00:40 PM EfficaciousBunny
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** Either 1) they weren't buried for as long as it looks like, or 2) they'd been struggling to get out for a while and managed to make some air holes for themselves. Note that when we see Shan Yu burst out of the snow, we can see a good part of his wrist, instead of just his hand or fingertips, so they were probably at least close enough to the surface for this to be (somewhat) [[HandWave hand wave-able]]. Though I still question those two who weren't even wearing shirts.

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** Either 1) they weren't buried for as long as it looks like, or 2) they'd been struggling to get out for a while and managed to make some air holes for themselves. Note that when we see Shan Yu burst out of the snow, we can see a good part of his wrist, instead of just his hand or fingertips, so they were probably at least close enough to the surface for this to be (somewhat) [[HandWave hand hand]] [[IncrediblyLamePun wave-able]]. Though I still question those two who weren't even wearing shirts.
22nd Feb '16 7:29:17 AM Yatagerasu
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** In the original poem, Little Brother (the dog in the movie) was exactly that, but he was too young to serve.
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