History Headscratchers / MinorityReport

25th Feb '18 3:29:50 PM costanton11
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** It was mentioned that the direct act of killing someone was what the precogs sensed, hence why they couldn't sense other crimes like theft. It's possible that they only predict the name of the person who directly committed the murder and how they did it when the time came, not all the planning involved.
25th Feb '18 3:27:28 PM costanton11
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** Because the first is quicker. If I'm not mistaken, Anderton immediately asks the guy where Ann Lively is now, and the guy is surprised to see she is a missing person--so it's clear that neither of them took that to mean Ann Lively was dead because of that guy. It's probably just a spoken shorthand--"What'd Precrime grab this guy for?" "Killing his wife."

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** Because the first is quicker. If I'm not mistaken, Anderton immediately asks the guy where Ann Lively is now, and the guy is surprised to see she is a missing person--so it's clear that neither of them took that to mean Ann Lively was dead because of that guy. It's probably just a spoken shorthand--"What'd Precrime grab this guy for?" "Killing his wife."" Give that Precrime had a perfect success rate, it seemed like a given that the would-be murderer didn't succeed in his crime.
11th Feb '18 11:41:24 AM Sharlee
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[[folder: Why didn't the precogs see the BigBad's plan as a whole?]]
* Supposedly the precogs can have visions of premeditated murders sooner than "red balls", which implies they'd see at least something of the preparatory work that goes into committing such crimes. But if that were the case, why didn't they see any hints about the BigBad ''recruiting'' people to kill Anne Lively or [[spoiler: to be killed by Anderton]]? The person who hires a hit man is guilty of the resulting murder too, and intentionally setting somebody up to die violently [[spoiler: even if it's with their collusion]] has got to be a crime as well.
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11th Feb '18 10:51:50 AM Sharlee
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** Turn it around: if it was set in a country ''without'' a strong tradition of constitutional rights, then Anderton wouldn't have any way to win in the end. If Precrime was exposed as corrupt/invalid in a neo-fascist Madeupistan, the Powers That Be would quash the story, have Anderton "fall down the stairs" on his way to prison, and start faking their ''own'' Precrime visions to eliminate their political enemies... assuming they weren't already doing so.

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** Turn it around: if it was set in a country ''without'' a strong tradition of constitutional rights, then Anderton wouldn't have any way to win in the end. If Precrime was exposed as corrupt/invalid in a neo-fascist Madeupistan, the Powers That Be would quash the story, have Anderton "fall down the stairs" on his way to prison, and start faking their ''own'' Precrime visions to eliminate their political enemies... assuming they weren't already doing so. Which, admittedly, would be a pretty Creator/PhilipKDick-ish ending in itself, but not a very Hollywood one.
11th Feb '18 10:50:49 AM Sharlee
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** Turn it around: if it was set in a country ''without'' a strong tradition of constitutional rights, then Anderton wouldn't have any way to win in the end. If Precrime was exposed as corrupt/invalid in a neo-fascist Madeupistan, the Powers That Be would quash the story, have Anderton "fall down the stairs" on his way to prison, and start faking their ''own'' Precrime visions to eliminate their political enemies... assuming they weren't already doing so.
11th Feb '18 10:44:26 AM Sharlee
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** The precogs are only ''used'' to predict murder, as murder creates such a strong vision that it's said to drown out all other future impressions. Presumably they ''can'' predict lesser events when no murder happens to be imminent; indeed, Agatha may have warned that one lady not to go home as much to free up her own sensitivity to localized minor visions as to keep the woman from being harmed.
11th Feb '18 10:35:44 AM Sharlee
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** Very likely, she did. Indeed, she probably ''had'' to warn the lady and avert the murder that would've occurred if she ''had'' gone home, because sensing an imminent murder overloads a precog's ability to predict lesser events. If Agatha ''hadn't'' warned the woman, she couldn't keep advising Anderton on how to evade capture using her visions.
11th Feb '18 10:24:41 AM Sharlee
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** As mentioned above, the Precops may well have suspected he ''would'' come back for the Twins, and left his retinal scan in the database intentionally in the hope of luring Anderton into a trap. They could've had a couple of dozen men lying in wait for him at the Temple, all the while his ex was waltzing into a completely different part of the facility to steal ''data'' instead.
11th Feb '18 10:14:31 AM Sharlee
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*** Except that precogs' sensitivity to murder seems attuned to ''actual'' murders, not to ''feigned'' ones. If someone going through the motions of murder ''without'' a legitimate intent to kill could trigger their visions, the Precrime cops would've been overwhelmed with false alarms of teenagers playing masked-knife-murderer pranks on each other, actors performing in combat scenes, and angry employees covertly pantomiming potshots at their boss's back.
11th Nov '17 8:33:14 AM CNAlex
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** I agree this should have been better explained, but consider the case of someone caught before they do anything related to the crime. They canít be send to prison because they havenít committed a crime, and the Pre-Crime program is still on probation so the legal system still isnít ready to convict them for a crime they havenít committed. So instead of being convicted of a crime they are essentially being ďquarantinedĒ Ė they havenít done anything wrong so they are put in suspended animation, not to punish them, but because they are a danger to the public. I believe that what happened at the end of the movie was part of the original plan for testing out Pre-Crime. They were in cold sleep while the program was being tested; if Pre-Crime failed they could all be released to continue with their normal lives (or be charged with attempted murder if appropriate), if Pre-Crime succeeded they would figure out some permanent solution for how to change the legal system.
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