History Headscratchers / MinorityReport

17th Sep '17 9:25:48 AM rtozier2011
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** There's no problem; the 'unaffiliated friend' scenario refers to an unaffiliated friend who had not become aware of a prevision; it seems that the troper who said 'the precogs don't predict the actual future' went on to refer to what happens if someone plans a murder, a friend finds out by overhearing them or something, and dissuades them: in that scenario there would be no vision ball. As for why Agatha was in her own prevision; it's like Philip K Dick's original story outlined - the future at the moment of Agatha's vision of Crow's death included the future that Anderton, as Precrime director, would see the vision and take her with him; thus Anderton arrives at a position where he knows his own future and can change it, precisely because he was in a position to know about the prevision when it occurred.
16th Sep '17 7:34:20 PM lorgskyegon
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** Even if the murder rate of DC's worst year was doubled, that would still average a murder only every 90 minutes. With a murder rate of zero and only one every now and then red balled, the odds would be low.
16th Sep '17 6:59:14 PM lorgskyegon
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*** It's explicitly stated by Dr. Hineman that it was the use of an early, impure form of the drug neuroin, which was later modified into a safer club drug.
3rd Dec '16 10:06:18 PM TheRoguePenguin
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** Remember that Anderton has been the top story on the news for multiple days now. We see him appear on the front page of a newspaper mere minutes after he runs. So, if the head of pre crime is not only a suspect for a murder himself, but has successfully been evading a manhunt for three full days, it's going to make most peoplse a little less confident in the system. Doubly so when the gun comes out.

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** Remember that Anderton has been the top story on the news for multiple days now. We see him appear on the front page of a newspaper mere minutes after he runs. So, if the head of pre crime is not only a suspect for a murder himself, but has successfully been evading a manhunt for three full days, it's going to make most peoplse people a little less confident in the system. Doubly so when the gun comes out.
3rd Dec '16 11:36:42 AM AbnormalMoose
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*** Say it with me, person: That's what Precrime says the precogs see. And Precrime kind of has a vested interest in claiming the precogs are infallible. The movie does, in fact, contain proof that the precogs are fallible and thus the claim that they objectively see the future is, to put it bluntly, bullshit.
3rd Dec '16 11:31:34 AM AbnormalMoose
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*** Except they didn't attempt a murder, that was the whole point of the fascist dream of Precrime, catching people before they attempt murder. They're incarcerating people for crimes they hadn't committed, and doing it without a trial, because they had "evidence" they were ''probably'' going to commit a crime.
3rd Dec '16 11:23:53 AM AbnormalMoose
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** It essentially all comes down to whether you believe in fascism or freedom. A fascist believes that when the government has enough proof to suit the government's own standards that you are going to be a detriment to the government's order in some fashion (such as attempting murder), then the government is justified in doing whatever it likes to keep order (such as imprisoning you forever). Someone who believes in freedom prefers to judge and punish people on what they do, rather than what they might do.



** It essentially all comes down to whether you believe in fascism or freedom. A fascist believes that when the government has enough proof to suit the government's own standards that you are going to be a detriment to the government's order in some fashion (such as attempting murder), then the government is justified in doing whatever it likes to keep order (such as imprisoning you forever). Someone who believes in freedom prefers to judge and punish people on what they do, rather than what they might do.

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** It essentially all comes down to whether you believe in fascism or freedom. A fascist believes that when the government has enough proof to suit the government's own standards that you are going to be a detriment to the government's order in some fashion (such as attempting murder), then the government is justified in doing whatever it likes to keep order (such as imprisoning you forever). Someone who believes in freedom prefers to judge and punish people on what they do, rather than what they might do.
3rd Dec '16 11:22:15 AM AbnormalMoose
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** It essentially all comes down to whether you believe in fascism or freedom. A fascist believes that when the government has enough proof to suit the government's own standards that you are going to be a detriment to the government's order in some fashion (such as attempting murder), then the government is justified in doing whatever it likes to keep order (such as imprisoning you forever). Someone who believes in freedom prefers to judge and punish people on what they do, rather than what they might do.
14th Sep '16 3:06:00 PM benda
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*** Regarding that, this troper thinks that leaving rotten food in the fridge next to the healthy one wasn't exactly unintentional either - more like a RussianRoulette, only with much lower stakes.
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