History Headscratchers / MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty

30th Dec '16 8:16:22 AM Jgorgon
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** So, the question Ocelot ''thinks'' the Patriots want answered is: could ''anyone'' have survived Shadow Moses? Did we need to send a legendary soldier, or did the nature of the situation itself memetically create a perfect soldier? The real question the Patriots are asking is much more complicated and postmodern, though.
30th Dec '16 7:55:59 AM Jgorgon
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*** Even if it's in Ocelot's voice, who else could Snake have possibly thought it was? Do other characters refer to Snake as "Brrrrrrrother!!!"?
30th Dec '16 7:51:52 AM Jgorgon
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*** What about his nanomachines allowed him to run vertically up walls, then? Or spin so fast he deflects bullets? I think it's pretty clear that as of GOP he's a vampire who also has nanomachines.


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*** When you cross back over the bridge from the Shell 2 core with Emma, someone's helpfully added replacement panels which allow her to cross. Maybe someone did the same to the Shell 1 core.
30th Dec '16 7:44:51 AM Jgorgon
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** Also, the first hour or so of the Plant chapter is a tutorial for new players, whereas the Tanker chapter only bothers teaching the player new moves debuting in this game, and assumes they know the basics of MGS gameplay. The plot does the same thing; there's none of the AsYouKnow that the Plant chapter has.
30th Dec '16 2:17:13 AM M3
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** Or, considering if the Patriots are manipulating everything; they probably manipulated the reports that the gun isn't ready for combat, yet had one that was perfectly operational and she had the first and only working model.
26th Oct '16 1:13:53 PM Jgorgon
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** And bear in mind it's been established that within the games' universe, realistic masks indistinguishable from a real face have been around since at least the 1960s, and since Olga is seen wearing a cyborg-ninja suit that gives her masculine features, it's not far fetched for someone in-universe to suspect that what looks like a male is really a disguised female.

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** And bear in mind it's been established that within the games' universe, realistic masks almost indistinguishable from a real face have been around since at least the 1960s, and since Olga is seen wearing a cyborg-ninja suit that gives her masculine features, it's not far fetched for someone in-universe to suspect that what looks like a male is really a disguised female.
26th Oct '16 1:06:08 PM Jgorgon
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*** The above troper is correct; furthermore, it's not even a tactic unique to ''MGS2'''s storytelling; see also ''BioShock'', ''Spec Ops: The Line'', ''Shadow of the Colossus'', ''BioShock Infinite''...
18th Oct '16 4:51:55 PM dlchen145
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* Are there other members of Philanthropy besides Snake and Otacon? If there are, why the hell aren't they ever seen or mentioned? As {{Badass}} as Snake is, he can't be two places at once. If he really wanted to shut down every Metal Gear on Earth, you'd think he'd look for some help. In any case, it seems like he'd need to get more members if he wanted to get recognition from the UN. To the UN, one field agent doesn't look like an organized group...it just looks like a lone terrorist. And if there are more members of Philanthropy, then what happened to the organization after Snake faked his death?

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* Are there other members of Philanthropy besides Snake and Otacon? If there are, why the hell aren't they ever seen or mentioned? As {{Badass}} badass as Snake is, he can't be two places at once. If he really wanted to shut down every Metal Gear on Earth, you'd think he'd look for some help. In any case, it seems like he'd need to get more members if he wanted to get recognition from the UN. To the UN, one field agent doesn't look like an organized group...it just looks like a lone terrorist. And if there are more members of Philanthropy, then what happened to the organization after Snake faked his death?
8th Apr '16 3:47:15 PM Dragon101
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** Could be a bit of FridgeBrilliance {{Foreshadowing}} here, with a slice of FridgeHorror. We find out later that Raiden was a child soldier in Africa in the 80s AND that his entire job was a lie, to the point that he never even met the "Colonel" who was giving him orders, and his training regime was completely virtual. AND we know that he is actually an UnwittingPawn of the Patriots all along, a test subject for how they plan to control and manipulate humanity. What if he legitimately ''doesn't know'' who President Sears was because the Patriots controlled almost everything he learned (and, perhaps, recent immigrant to the US who didn't exactly have a normal childhood)?
8th Apr '16 3:33:44 PM Dragon101
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** A better question is why Stillman interpreted a Navy SEAL dropping mottoes from the Marines and the SAS as evidence that he isn't a SEAL. It's not a case of "even Stillman caught on to it" so much as "Stillman is making a BatDeduction". Heck, many SEALS are actually ''recruited'' from the ranks of the Marines, and both SEALS and Marines train and work with the SAS and each other on occasion. It would be more unusual if a Navy SEAL ''didn't'' know the mottoes of both organisations (especially if Stillman, a civilian, is fully informed), and it isn't all ''that'' weird that a SEAL would be quoting them.
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