History Headscratchers / MenInBlack

29th Aug '17 10:48:08 PM PaulA
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** K was planning on trying to recruit J the next day. That is no guarantee that he would succeed, or that J wouldn't, say, run to the nearest news outlet to tell the story of the regenerating alien who sells offworld hardware to the world-at-large. J wasn't an agent of MiB yet, so any knowledge of extraterrestrial activity he possessed still constitutes a security risk.

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** K was planning on trying to recruit J the next day. That is no guarantee that he would succeed, or that J wouldn't, say, run to the nearest news outlet to tell the story of the regenerating alien who sells offworld hardware to the world-at-large. J wasn't an agent of MiB [=MiB=] yet, so any knowledge of extraterrestrial activity he possessed still constitutes a security risk.



** J's 'fashionable' suit at the end seems to be a way of saying that J is an innovator type, and as he's trying to find his place in MiB, he straetches the rules to find himself and take mental charge of his new life. His huge confidence and assuredness when he talks,about Rodman. By the next movie he's back to the standard MiB suit because he's matured a bit - he's much more no-nonsense about the mission than proving himself (he's likely beyond the insecure 'don't call me Sport' phase, so also doesn't feel the need to stand out among other Agenst with his clothing either.)

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** J's 'fashionable' suit at the end seems to be a way of saying that J is an innovator type, and as he's trying to find his place in MiB, [=MiB=], he straetches stretches the rules to find himself and take mental charge of his new life. His huge confidence and assuredness when he talks,about Rodman. By the next movie he's back to the standard MiB [=MiB=] suit because he's matured a bit - he's much more no-nonsense about the mission than proving himself (he's likely beyond the insecure 'don't call me Sport' phase, so also doesn't feel the need to stand out among other Agenst with his clothing either.)



** With regards to the point about war criminals, the MiB do regulate who comes to Earth, what they do, etc. and there does seem to be some parties not invited to the open bar, so to speak. When Agents J and K started their investigation of the Bug in the Edgar Suit, K reported in to Zed, "We have a Bug," and ended his call. He didn't have to say anything beyond "Bug", implying that simply having a Bug on Earth was sufficient enough cause to pursue and apprehend. The suggestion here is that Bugs are not welcome on Earth at any point for any reason. We can speculate all manner of reason as to why, but the why is irrelevant; the important point here is that it demonstrates that as much as Earth is a big neutral party town, the MiB still hold the right to refuse service to anyone.

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** With regards to the point about war criminals, the MiB [=MiB=] do regulate who comes to Earth, what they do, etc. and there does seem to be some parties not invited to the open bar, so to speak. When Agents J and K started their investigation of the Bug in the Edgar Suit, K reported in to Zed, "We have a Bug," and ended his call. He didn't have to say anything beyond "Bug", implying that simply having a Bug on Earth was sufficient enough cause to pursue and apprehend. The suggestion here is that Bugs are not welcome on Earth at any point for any reason. We can speculate all manner of reason as to why, but the why is irrelevant; the important point here is that it demonstrates that as much as Earth is a big neutral party town, the MiB [=MiB=] still hold the right to refuse service to anyone.
29th Aug '17 8:35:54 PM PaulA
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[[folder:Kay misses a Spot Check]]
* In Film/MenInBlack II, how does Kay (okay, Kevin) not notice the smell of cigarette smoke coming from the sorting machine? Unless it's airtight, which I doubt, he ought to smell ''something;'' cigarette smoke is notoriously pungent. Given how he reacts to a coffee spill, I can't see him not doing something if he suspects someone's smoking inside a government building, which is a big no-no. Plus, they must open it from time to time to load more mail into it. (For that matter, the alien inside is lucky he never set the mail on fire...)
** Maybe the other aliens cover for the guy.
** Maybe Kevin thought the machine just gave off really bad exhaust.
** The guy is an alien, so it might not be tobacco he's smoking. No, that's not a weed reference, he could be smoking an alien plant that is less smelly.
** Or maybe it's one of those electronic cigarettes.
** More importantly, why can't his very ''loud music'' be heard from that big slot he's throwing mail through?
** [[HandWave MIB has technology for that.]] Same reason the little aliens in the locker can make noise without being heard, although Grand Central Station would ostensibly be much louder.
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[[folder:Was Laura K's kid?]]
* So...in the second movie, was Laura K's kid with the alien princess? It's never explicitly stated, but I was kind of getting that vibe. Especially at the end where he's convincing her to leave Earth.
** Yep. That's why she looks like a human but has emotions that affect the weather.
* Whatever happened to K's girlfriend during MIB and MIB II? She's suddenly forgotten and we get a (sort of) alien relationship out of nowhere.
** Listen to the dialogue when J first goes to get K back. He says exactly what happened.
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[[folder:Newer neuralyzer model?]]
* Why do they change the colour of the neuralyzer from red to blue? are we just supposed to forget that the bulb used to look completely different for no reason?
** Newer model?
** Yes. *FLASH*
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[[folder: K really gets around]]
* Each film reveals that Kay had a [[GirlOfTheWeek different]] LoveInterest, all of them from his past. Is it just me or does it seem like he's [[ReallyGetsAround uncharacteristically...loose?]]
** Could be another explanation for why he's so stoic and strict now. Also it may depict Kay as having to try and get over "losing" his wife after recruiting with MiB.
** Considering K's age, I don't think being with three different women would classify him as "loose." There's his first girlfriend, whom he had to leave once he became an MIB agent. He's shown to have never really gotten over her, and that's understandable considering that he simply had to give her up and watch her live her life without any memory of him. Then there's Agent O, to whom he was obviously attracted but their relationship never really went anywhere. It seems to me more of a case of continuous attraction due to being in each other's presence all the time. As for the alien, K seemed to really love her, but that was a doomed relationship from the beginning. If K has a woman problem, it's that he keeps falling in love with women he can't have, and can't seem to ever get over any of them, not that he's a player. The pain of all these broken relationships would only add to his stoicism, which IS very in character.
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[[folder:Is MIB a government organization or not?]]
* In ''Men In Black I'', K says that MIB is not part of the government as they ask too many questions. In the third movie, J says that MIB is a government organization.
** K never says that MIB isn't part of the government. He just says that they don't answer to any other branches of the government or government departments. Big difference.
** Every time someone refers to MIB as a "secret government organization" they're explaining it to the uninitiated (and half the time someone they're planning on neuralizing shortly anyway). They probably say it that way because it flows better and is easier to understand than "a secret formerly government and currently underground organization".

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[[folder:Lethal Force on the Firing Range]]
* In ''Men In Black I'', K says I'm surprised (and kinda ashamed) that MIB is not part of this didn't raise my flags earlier. Why in the government as they ask too many questions. In the third movie, J says that MIB is a government organization.
** K never says that MIB isn't part
name of the government. He just says that they Khorne allmerciful would J, ''a policeman''', shoot an 8-year old girl? No, I don't answer mean "shoot her rather than the monsters". I mean why would he ''shoot'' her at all?! Just because she was suspicious? That's... "police brutality" doesn't even begin to any other branches cover this! Hell, his only explanation was that she was carrying some books on quantum physics. So freaking what?! She could've been returning those books to the library for her colledge student brother! I know I'm reading way too deep into a joke, but still, what kind of psychopath J is? Did he feel he would lose his manly credentials, if he didn't shoot ''something''? Or was the task specifically to shoot something? Doesn't seem to be that way.
** At ''midnight''?
** So what? The Lenin's library in Moscow has a night service, I don't see why some others wouldn't. Not that it matters, of course, it was just an example.
** The room is a fancy shooting gallery. The task was to shoot the threats. She was the most threatening thing in the room. The task was not, "Put the gun down and go have a conversation with the cardboard cutout". In a live situation, he probably wouldn't shoot her the second he saw her, but this wasn't a live situation, it was a test of judgment and observational skills.
** Nobody says he should've talked with the cutout. But how was shooting it a good judgement? Acting suspicious doesn't make you an immediate threat.
** ''That's the joke''. Jay only shot her because he got that ''none
of the government or government departments. Big difference.
rest were actually doing anything worth shooting'' and he might as well shoot the odd one out to explain his reasonig. He just shot her because he knows a recruiting test when he sees one and has no interest in following along with the rest of the boring soldiers.
** Every time someone refers I think, in his own way, Jay was trying to illustrate the complete absurdity of the shooting test. Based on this scene, apparently the MIB as puts potential recruits in a "secret government organization" shooting gallery with ''absolutely no preparation whatsoever'' for what they're explaining it supposed to be shooting at. Which makes the uninitiated (and half test completely useless at screening recruits. ''Of course'' the time someone other recruits fired wildly at the alien cutouts. They've never seen an alien before. From their perspective these things look like {{Eldritch Abomination}}s from the deepest pits of Hell and everything about the way they're planning on neuralizing shortly anyway). They probably say it posed suggests "threat". And ''of course'' Jay only fired at Little Tiffany. He was so taken aback by the utterly bizarre alien cutouts that he froze up. I don't believe for a second that Jay actually assessed each target and concluded none of them except Tiffany was a threat. That was just a line of BS he made up on the spot. Putting a bullet through Tiffany's brainpan was just his way because it flows better of calling attention to that fact.
** Which was the entire point. Part of MIB's job isn't just shooting any alien that shows up on Earth, the same way cops don't shoot anyone that shows up in a city. The test wasn't about marksmanship, despite what the other recruits thought. It was about learning how to assess the situation
and is easier when to understand than "a secret formerly government hold fire - which made the only cop in the group the best-qualified candidate. Of course, Jay has that little problem with authority, [[BoomHeadshot so...]]
** Like the other tests, it's a SecretTestOfCharacter to gauge a prospective agent's ability to think outside the box
and currently underground organization".accurately assess threats. To which J responded by ''capping an eight-year-old girl'' rather than, say, conclude that nothing he was presented with was a threat and hold fire. ''[[FridgeHorror AND HE PASSES.]]''
** It was about assessing threats, you've got that right; it was about thinking outside the box, high marks again; but you are wrong about one thing: 'eight-year-old girl'. Supplementary information reveals that Tiffany actually IS a threat and eliminating her is the only correct response.



[[folder:Why are the Boglodites still alive?]]
* ''Men In Black 3'': [[spoiler: Griff says the Boglodites died out in the main timeline because the [=ArcNet=] prevented them from eating Earth, and they starved to death. In the timeline where K dies, the [=ArcNet=] never goes up, but he somehow drives off the Boglodites anyway, preventing them from eating Earth.]] So why are they still alive?
** Perhaps the Boglodites were convinced to change their invasion timing by Boris, because Boris wasn't certain as to whether it was safe to assault Earth at that time.

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[[folder:Why are [[folder:Who called the Boglodites still alive?]]
exterminator?]]
* ''Men In Black 3'': [[spoiler: Griff says Who called the Boglodites died out in the main timeline because the [=ArcNet=] prevented them from eating Earth, exterminator to Edgar's farm? According to Beatrice, she was unconscious when "Edgar" disappeared, and they starved to death. In the timeline where K dies, the [=ArcNet=] never goes up, but he somehow drives off the Boglodites anyway, preventing them from eating Earth.]] So why are they still alive?
** Perhaps the Boglodites were convinced to change their invasion timing by Boris, because Boris wasn't certain as to whether
considering [[BerserkButton how much Edgar hates people who kill bugs]], it was safe to assault Earth at seems unlikely that time.he called him.
** I consider it likely that the exterminator was called by the real Edgar some time before the movie, and the appointment for the extermination just happened to be just after BugEdger ate the real Edger. The BugEdger just killed the guy and took advantage of his truck to get around and bring his ship with him.



[[folder:K can't put up the ArcNet?]]
* When Griffin says that the [=ArcNet=] has to be sent outside the atmosphere, why does young K seem like he has no idea how to do that? If there are aliens on Earth in the 60's, then MIB should have access to plenty of ships that could easily get outside the atmosphere.
** MiB is set up as a refuge spot on Earth for all of those other visiting aliens. It's probably strongly frowned upon by policy to get them involved in the politics of MiB and other races.
** You'd think that said involvement being meant ''to protect said refuge spot from total annihilation'' would've upturned that frown, no?
** K was helping J behind his superiors' backs. He probably wouldn't have had the clearance to use an alien ship, but the jetpacks weren't monitored.

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* So what, exactly, is
the ArcNet?]]
* When Griffin says that the [=ArcNet=] has to be sent outside the atmosphere, why does young K seem like he has no idea how to do that? If there are
MIB doing with its keep aliens on Earth secret from everybody else rule? Is there some sort of plan in place to allow them to safely reveal the 60's, then MIB should have access presence of aliens to plenty of ships that could easily get outside the atmosphere.
world? Or are they just going to run around neuralizing people until the end of time?
** MiB is set up as a refuge spot on Earth for all of those other visiting aliens. It's Logically speaking, they'll probably strongly frowned upon by policy to get them involved in the politics of MiB reveal things once our technology is advanced enough, and other races.
** You'd think
advance it as fast as they can without either drawing attention or causing social upheaval. The reason for waiting for technology is, of course, that said involvement being meant ''to protect said refuge spot from total annihilation'' would've upturned we're a neutral zone; when the secret, because people are "dumb, panicky animals" that frown, no?
** K was helping J behind his superiors' backs. He
tend to act before thinking, we WILL ruin that neutral status in short order once we find out we're not alone. So, they're probably intentionally keeping it a secret until our technology is advanced enough to keep us LeeroyJenkins-ing it the moment the veil is lifted.
** Wouldn't that just mean that everybody would not only be LeeroyJenkinsing later instead of sooner, but have the technology to REALLY do some damage? Besides,
wouldn't everybody be really pissed at the aliens and the MIB for keeping aliens a secret?
** Better than the alternative, which is to say declaring a hostile status towards some evil empire next-door and getting instantly vaporized. If they wait long enough, we'll
have the shields (Arcnet is good, but increasingly outdated and specialized, so it can't be relied on) and starfighters to actually survive declaring a cessation of neutrality.
** Would cessation of neutrality really be a good thing, though? Right now, Earth has it pretty good. Sure, there's plenty of threats to the safety of the Earth floating around, but there's no indication that would change if Earth became a sovereign party in galactic politics. If anything, it seems that it would get worse; there doesn't seem to be any united galactic government, and all we ever see of intergalactic politics is war, war, war. Most of the time, threats to the Earth are indirect; the Arkillians are going to destroy the Earth to prevent the Galaxy from falling into the hands of their enemy and powering a war engine that would destroy their civilization. Sure, there's the occasional invasion, like the Boglodites, but there are also other alien civilizations stepping in to lend a hand, that may be less inclined to do so if Earth seemed like a legitimate threat in its own right, rather than everyone's favorite party town. That's not to mention the ''free technological advancements'' that Earth receives by simply holding the right to any and all confiscated tech. It's explicitly stated in the first film that a lot of Earth's tech advancements in the last century have been the result of reverse-engineering alien hardware. This isn't hardware that we
had to bargain for or make economic deals for, it's all free tech that was confiscated from criminals. All in all, not having to worry about galactic wars and politics and only having to pick up the criminals here and there that enter our jurisdiction while getting free tech upgrades and cultural exposure to everything that's happening, Earth actually has a pretty sweet gig going for it.
** Precisely. But, the thing is, it may not be entirely morally defensible; there are almost certainly horrifically corrupt and evil (by human moral standards) powers that get free reign to vacation in NYC because of the neutrality (as that is, really, what neutrality ''means''). While that doesn't change the equation at all, there are nevertheless more than enough governments on Earth that would end up eliminating neutrality anyway for the sake of not having what we would consider war criminals coming here for fun - to do otherwise with the secret known would be to invite massive public outcry, and the public reactions to some of the migrants from such powers would likely lead to breakdown of neutrality regardless of political intent - lynchings, outspoken protests, etc. Thus, until the benefits of it going public and chances of surviving the inevitable breakdown of neutrality become considerably better, it would be both stupid and suicidal to reveal things, as revelation=cessation of neutrality as almost a certainty.
** So do they have something planned to make humanity more accepting to the existence of aliens when it's inevitably revealed so that it doesn't blow up in their faces? Maybe a way to keep the neutrality after TheReveal?
** Doubtful. Welcome to international politics, Galaxy edition. There are no easy answers, only a careful dance of threats, military showings, trade sanctions, and international treaties. Look at the real world- countries can only stay neutral in the long run if they're of no consequence at all (i.e., effectively third world nations without any interesting resources who haven't managed to offend anybody), if they're strong enough to scare off aggressors, or if angering them would mean a cutoff of vital trade. In this case, they're waiting in the first of those three categories (with the "not offending anybody" being the part necessitating the hiding thing) until we have the military to get into the second category or an economy sufficient to get into the third.
** With regards to the point about war criminals, the MiB do regulate who comes to Earth, what they do, etc. and there does seem to be some parties not invited to the open bar, so to speak. When Agents J and K started their investigation of the Bug in the Edgar Suit, K reported in to Zed, "We have a Bug," and ended his call. He didn't have to say anything beyond "Bug", implying that simply having a Bug on Earth was sufficient enough cause to pursue and apprehend. The suggestion here is that Bugs are not welcome on Earth at any point for any reason. We can speculate all manner of reason as to why, but the why is irrelevant; the important point here is that it demonstrates that as much as Earth is a big neutral party town, the MiB still hold the right to refuse service to anyone.
** Part of the plan may simply be to wait for a time when humanity seems mentally/socially prepared for alien life. That is, when their first reaction isn't "Shoot first, ask questions later." or like J in the first movie, poke everything (potentially causing a lot of unnecessary violence out of ignorance). If nothing else, look at what happened to other species that were overly aggressive (bugs and bogladians) - they got wiped out and MIB kind of has a vested interest in not allowing humanity to be wiped out.
** There's actually an explanation in the first movie for why "Bug" is enough of an explanation and
clearance to use an alien ship, but the jetpacks weren't monitored.pursue: They're never "neutral", they literally live to make war and exterminate other species.



[[folder:Boris' girlfriend]]
* Why was Boris' girlfriend even allowed to have knowledge of him, let alone write him letters and travel to the moon?
** Possibly some sort of galactic regulation that prisoners be allowed to have access to mail, no matter what they're convicted of. Plus Boris' imprisonment is not a secret, he's just insanely dangerous.
** Why wouldn't it be a secret? He's an alien. Aren't all aliens supposed to be a secret to the Earth public?
** Maybe she wasn't human? It's been established that several types of aliens can pass for human, and if she was another alien, they wouldn't need to neuralize her. Alternately, the MIB has not been shown to have power outside the U.S.A., IIRC. Maybe she's from a country with less-strict laws?
* Boris was apparently pen-pals with the woman who helped him escape from prison. How did he write to her if one of his arms was blown off and the other was permanently encased in that device?
** He dictated them to a guard who either drew the short straw or pissed the bosses off. This also meant they knew what was in those letters.

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[[folder:Boris' girlfriend]]
[[folder:The Noisy Cricket]]

* Why was Boris' girlfriend even allowed to have knowledge of him, let alone write him letters In the first movie, why exactly did Kay give Jay, an untrained and travel to new recruit, the moon?
** Possibly some sort of galactic regulation that prisoners be allowed to have access to mail, no matter what they're convicted of. Plus Boris' imprisonment is not a secret, he's just insanely dangerous.
** Why wouldn't it be a secret? He's an alien. Aren't all aliens supposed to be a secret to the Earth public?
** Maybe she wasn't human? It's been established that several types of aliens can pass for human, and if she was another alien, they wouldn't need to neuralize her. Alternately, the MIB has not been shown to have
Noisy Cricket as his sidearm? Despite its diminutive size it's destructive power outside rivals even the U.S.A., IIRC. Maybe she's from a country with less-strict laws?
* Boris was apparently pen-pals with
biggest guns used in the woman who helped movie, and Kay didn't even warn him escape from prison. How did he write about it.
** His boss Zed told him
to her if one of his arms was blown off "Give the kid a weapon", and the other Noisy Cricket was permanently encased in the least dangerous/destructive weapon available.
** FridgeBrilliance! One of the clues Frank the pug passes along is "When will you humans realize
that device?
** He dictated them to a guard who either drew the short straw or pissed the bosses off. This also meant they knew what was in those letters.
just because something is small doesn't mean it's not powerful"!



[[folder:Lethal Force on the Firing Range]]
* I'm surprised (and kinda ashamed) that this didn't raise my flags earlier. Why in the name of Khorne allmerciful would J, ''a policeman''', shoot an 8-year old girl? No, I don't mean "shoot her rather than the monsters". I mean why would he ''shoot'' her at all?! Just because she was suspicious? That's... "police brutality" doesn't even begin to cover this! Hell, his only explanation was that she was carrying some books on quantum physics. So freaking what?! She could've been returning those books to the library for her colledge student brother! I know I'm reading way too deep into a joke, but still, what kind of psychopath J is? Did he feel he would lose his manly credentials, if he didn't shoot ''something''? Or was the task specifically to shoot something? Doesn't seem to be that way.
** At ''midnight''?
** So what? The Lenin's library in Moscow has a night service, I don't see why some others wouldn't. Not that it matters, of course, it was just an example.
** The room is a fancy shooting gallery. The task was to shoot the threats. She was the most threatening thing in the room. The task was not, "Put the gun down and go have a conversation with the cardboard cutout". In a live situation, he probably wouldn't shoot her the second he saw her, but this wasn't a live situation, it was a test of judgment and observational skills.
** Nobody says he should've talked with the cutout. But how was shooting it a good judgement? Acting suspicious doesn't make you an immediate threat.
** ''That's the joke''. Jay only shot her because he got that ''none of the rest were actually doing anything worth shooting'' and he might as well shoot the odd one out to explain his reasonig. He just shot her because he knows a recruiting test when he sees one and has no interest in following along with the rest of the boring soldiers.
** I think, in his own way, Jay was trying to illustrate the complete absurdity of the shooting test. Based on this scene, apparently the MIB puts potential recruits in a shooting gallery with ''absolutely no preparation whatsoever'' for what they're supposed to be shooting at. Which makes the test completely useless at screening recruits. ''Of course'' the other recruits fired wildly at the alien cutouts. They've never seen an alien before. From their perspective these things look like {{Eldritch Abomination}}s from the deepest pits of Hell and everything about the way they're posed suggests "threat". And ''of course'' Jay only fired at Little Tiffany. He was so taken aback by the utterly bizarre alien cutouts that he froze up. I don't believe for a second that Jay actually assessed each target and concluded none of them except Tiffany was a threat. That was just a line of BS he made up on the spot. Putting a bullet through Tiffany's brainpan was just his way of calling attention to that fact.
** Which was the entire point. Part of MIB's job isn't just shooting any alien that shows up on Earth, the same way cops don't shoot anyone that shows up in a city. The test wasn't about marksmanship, despite what the other recruits thought. It was about learning how to assess the situation and when to hold fire - which made the only cop in the group the best-qualified candidate. Of course, Jay has that little problem with authority, [[BoomHeadshot so...]]
** Like the other tests, it's a SecretTestOfCharacter to gauge a prospective agent's ability to think outside the box and accurately assess threats. To which J responded by ''capping an eight-year-old girl'' rather than, say, conclude that nothing he was presented with was a threat and hold fire. ''[[FridgeHorror AND HE PASSES.]]''
** It was about assessing threats, you've got that right; it was about thinking outside the box, high marks again; but you are wrong about one thing: 'eight-year-old girl'. Supplementary information reveals that Tiffany actually IS a threat and eliminating her is the only correct response.

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[[folder:Exploding Aliens]]

* I'm surprised (and kinda ashamed) that Whenever aliens are fatally shot, they seem to inevitably explode into a fine blue mist. Is this didn't raise my flags earlier. Why in the name of Khorne allmerciful would J, ''a policeman''', shoot an 8-year old girl? No, I don't mean "shoot her rather than the monsters". I mean why would he ''shoot'' her at all?! Just because she was suspicious? That's... "police brutality" doesn't even begin to cover this! Hell, his only explanation was that she was carrying some books on quantum physics. So freaking what?! She could've been returning those books to of the library for her colledge student brother! I know I'm reading way too deep into a joke, but still, what kind natural properties of psychopath J is? Did he feel he would lose his manly credentials, if he didn't shoot ''something''? Or was the task specifically to shoot something? Doesn't aliens (unlikely, since all species seem to be that way.
** At ''midnight''?
** So what? The Lenin's library in Moscow has a night service, I don't see why
do this), or some others wouldn't. Not that it matters, of course, it was just an example.
** The room is a fancy shooting gallery. The task was to shoot the threats. She was the most threatening thing in the room. The task was not, "Put the gun down and go have a conversation with the cardboard cutout". In a live situation, he probably wouldn't shoot her the second he saw her, but this wasn't a live situation, it was a test of judgment and observational skills.
** Nobody says he should've talked with the cutout. But how was shooting it a good judgement? Acting suspicious doesn't make you an immediate threat.
** ''That's the joke''. Jay only shot her because he got that ''none
inherent function of the rest were actually doing anything worth shooting'' and he might as well shoot the odd one out guns used (in order to explain his reasonig. He just shot her because he knows a recruiting test when he sees one and has no interest in following along with the rest of the boring soldiers.
minimize physical evidence later)?
** I think, in his own way, Jay was trying to illustrate the complete absurdity of the shooting test. Based on this scene, apparently the MIB puts potential recruits in a shooting gallery with ''absolutely no preparation whatsoever'' for what they're supposed to be shooting at. Which makes the test completely useless at screening recruits. ''Of course'' the other recruits fired wildly at the alien cutouts. They've never seen an alien before. From their perspective these things look like {{Eldritch Abomination}}s from the deepest pits of Hell and everything about the way they're posed suggests "threat". And ''of course'' Jay only fired at Little Tiffany. He was so taken aback by the utterly bizarre alien cutouts that he froze up. I don't believe for a second that Jay actually assessed each target and concluded none of them except Tiffany was a threat. That was just a line of BS he made up on the spot. Putting a bullet through Tiffany's brainpan was just his way of calling attention to that fact.
** Which was the entire point. Part of MIB's job isn't just shooting any alien that shows up on Earth, the same way cops don't shoot anyone that shows up in a city. The test wasn't about marksmanship, despite what the other recruits thought. It was about learning how to assess the situation and when to hold fire - which made the only cop in the group the best-qualified candidate. Of course, Jay has that little problem with authority, [[BoomHeadshot so...]]
** Like the other tests,
assume it's a SecretTestOfCharacter to gauge a prospective agent's ability to think outside consequence of the box and accurately assess threats. To which J responded by ''capping an eight-year-old girl'' rather than, say, conclude caliber and/or type of weapons being used; all the guns we see the Men in Black wielding are extremely powerful, with even the Noisy Cricket blowing a hole the size of a truck through a semi with a recoil that nothing he was presented with was a threat and hold fire. ''[[FridgeHorror AND HE PASSES.]]''
** It was about assessing threats, you've got
hurls J through the air. It's not so much that right; it was about thinking outside the box, high marks again; but you weapons are wrong about one thing: 'eight-year-old girl'. Supplementary information reveals programmed to cause things to explode into a blue mist upon death, it's that Tiffany actually IS a threat and eliminating her is the only correct response.weapons are powerful enough to ''vaporize'' any living thing they hit.



[[folder:Who called the exterminator?]]
* Who called the exterminator to Edgar's farm? According to Beatrice, she was unconscious when "Edgar" disappeared, and considering [[BerserkButton how much Edgar hates people who kill bugs]], it seems unlikely that he called him.
** I consider it likely that the exterminator was called by the real Edgar some time before the movie, and the appointment for the extermination just happened to be just after BugEdger ate the real Edger. The BugEdger just killed the guy and took advantage of his truck to get around and bring his ship with him.

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* In
the exterminator?]]
* Who called the exterminator to Edgar's farm? According to Beatrice, she was unconscious
first movie, when "Edgar" disappeared, the Arquillians threatened to destroy the Earth if the MIB didn't secure the Galaxy by their arbitrary deadline why didn't the MIB call them back and considering [[BerserkButton how much Edgar hates people who kill bugs]], it seems unlikely suggest they just sit tight in orbit and fire on any non-human ship attempting to leave the planet?
** Because
that he called him.
would mean that they would destroy most any ship that left the planet, and since there are aliens abandoning Earth in droves at the time, that would mean a LOT of dead aliens. Also, if the the Bug managed to leave and Arquillians actually managed to destroy it's ship, it would probably destroy the galaxy in the process, and the Arquillians wouldn't want to risk that.
** I consider it likely Actually, K (or Z) mentioned that the exterminator Arquillians are prepared to destroy the galaxy, rather than let it fall into bugs' claws. I think the true reason was called by the real Edgar some time before the movie, that Arquillians basically declared ''war'' on Earth ("Arquillian war custom: a preemptory shot and the appointment one standard galaxy week for the extermination just happened a response"). MIB were in no position to be just after BugEdger ate the real Edger. The BugEdger just killed the guy and took advantage of his truck to get around and bring his ship with him.demand anything.



[[folder:Cape Canaveral]]
* So what ''happened'' at Cape Canaveral in the original timeline? I expected something traumatic, something, well, worse than having to neuralyze a kid you'd end up working with later (talk about a retcon), especially since the one change seems to be ''not'' arresting Boris. Future!Boris and J's presences canceled each other out as far as interfering with the Boris-K fight went, so, what was it that happened to K (and O) that it's so classified?
** I think only J was locked out of the information, it was not really classified for other MiB agents. The whole "it's above your paygrade" excuse seemed far-fetched, and J himself gave a very good counter-argument to it. So, K probably asked for the agency to explicitly keep J from getting information about what happened that day, to avoid having him know the conditions in which his father had died.
** It's actually not so far fetched, because [[spoiler:K would consider the Colonel's death to be his fault. He shut himself off emotionally so he wouldn't have to suffer through that pain again.]]

to:

[[folder:Cape Canaveral]]
[[folder:Warning shot]]

* So what ''happened'' at Cape Canaveral Speaking of the Arquillians, that "warning shot" was about the size of a country...
** I thought it was a subtle gag about the hole
in the original timeline? I expected something traumatic, something, well, worse than having to neuralyze a kid you'd end up working with later (talk about a retcon), especially since the one change seems to be ''not'' arresting Boris. Future!Boris and J's presences canceled each other out as far as interfering with the Boris-K fight went, so, what was it that happened to K (and O) that it's so classified?
** I think only J was locked out of the information, it was not really classified for other MiB agents. The whole "it's above your paygrade" excuse seemed far-fetched, and J himself gave a very good counter-argument to it. So, K probably asked for the agency to explicitly keep J from getting information about what happened that day, to avoid having him know the conditions in which his father had died.
** It's actually not so far fetched, because [[spoiler:K would consider the Colonel's death to be his fault. He shut himself off emotionally so he wouldn't have to suffer through that pain again.]]
ozone layer.



[[folder:Shutting down giant neuralyzer]]

* Also, why did "When you meet the guy you're after tomorrow, kill him, don't arrest him?" prompt K to shut down the giant neuralyzer?
** Theory: J is banking on K's suspicion and intuition from describing an event that J has knowledge of, yet K doesn't. J, of course, correctly predicted that K would be too curious and spare J from the neuralyzer.

to:

[[folder:Shutting down giant neuralyzer]]

[[folder:The hole in K's speech]]
* K argues against revealing the existence of aliens to humans, and frankly his speech is a load of bull. He points to people's reactions to not seeing that the Earth was the center of the universe and not realizing the Earth was flat. Ignoring the historical inaccuracies of his comment, he's pointing to realizations that were important parts in the development of human civilization. He can't honestly think learning the Earth revolves around the sun was a bad thing can he? Also, why did "When you meet doesn't he just give the guy you're after tomorrow, kill him, don't arrest him?" prompt K to shut down the giant neuralyzer?
** Theory: J is banking on K's suspicion and intuition from describing an event
much better reason that J has knowledge of, yet K doesn't. J, of course, correctly predicted is ironically given as a joke, that K would be too curious TheWorldIsAlwaysDoomed and spare J from the neuralyzer.
society really wouldn't be able to function if normal people knew that?



[[folder:Temporal device and fighting Boris]]

* How did J know that the temporal device could be switched to MentalTimeTravel and why didn't it leave Boris just as prescient as J himself?
** Presumably it was quick thinking on J's part, something he's known for.
** The device may only send one person - the one who presses the button - back, regardless of who else is with them.
** Remember, it was some sort of DNA laser, so yeah, it would make sense it only sends back the person who pushes it.

to:

[[folder:Temporal device [[folder:Fate of Retired MIB Agents]]
* So the MIB states they remove any record of their agents' former lives when they join. So what happens to them when they retire? The movie shows us their memories of MIB are erased
and fighting Boris]]

* How did J know that
covers nothing else. Does the temporal device could be switched to MentalTimeTravel and why didn't it leave Boris MIB really just abandon it's former agents to return to a normal live where as prescient far as J himself?
** Presumably it was quick thinking on J's part, something he's known for.
** The device may only send one person -
the one who presses rest of the button - back, regardless of who else world is with them.
** Remember, it was some sort of DNA laser, so yeah, it would make sense it only sends back the person who pushes it.
concerned, they don't even exist?




[[folder:Boris' girlfriend]]

* What's the deal with Boris' unnamed girlfriend? Past!Boris is never seen with her, and though it's mentioned the two have been sending each other letters, how does that relationship get to the point where she had his name tattooed on her back?
** Perhaps she just came across stories of his crimes and became obsessed with him. It wouldn't be the first time convicted killers picked up fans and copycats after their arrest.
** Richard Ramirez is a pretty famous American serial killer that actually married one of his "fans" after he had been convicted of murdering multiple victims and given the death penalty, so it's not ridiculous to assume that Boris's girlfriend got his name tattooed on her back purely because she fell in love with his crimes. The real question is how she got into contact with him to begin with.

[[/folder]]

[[folder:Alien Fish]]

* Maybe this is BizarreAlienBiology with a smidge of RuleOfFunny, but J deals with the giant alien fish by [[spoiler: pulling its heart out. It collapses, quite obviously out of commission if not outright dead]]. A scene or so later, [[spoiler: the fish is seen strapped to a truck, flopping around vigorously]]. Wha happa? [[spoiler: Did its heart grow back? Did an agent put its heart back? Did it have a spare kick in after the original was removed]]?
** [[AWizardDidIt Alien biology.]]

[[/folder]]

[[folder:Lunar-Max Guards]]

* Why are the guards at Lunar-Max so TooDumbToLive? Among their many idiocies:
** Their scanners are as specific as "ceramic confectionery", but not more than "organic matter"...which encompasses everything from poisons to viruses, both of which would be invalubale in a prison escape.
** They have weapons that can breach the wall of an airtight space station...in an airtight space station.
** When they have an item that they have reason to believe contains harmful substances, they...stick their finger in it.
** Seriously, MIB. The bad guys are the ones who are supposed to need the EvilOverlordList, not the good guys.
** Basically, bad writing. The writers clearly wanted to do a "[[AcceptableTargets stupid hick Southern prison guards]]" series of jokes so they had MIB [[RuleOfFunny be incompetent for the sake of their "hilarious" gags]] and a lazy way to kick off the plot.

[[/folder]]

[[folder:Getting to space]]

* In MIB3 near the end J&K have to [[spoiler:get a macguffin into space in order to save the Earth.]] The headscratcher comes from the fact that they had to use [[spoiler:1969 moon launch to get it up there.]] Seriously? You're telling me that out of the dozens of perfectly docile aliens that we see in the movie and the probably countless others on the planet [[spoiler:[[FridgeLogic there's not a single one anywhere that has a spaceship they could have used instead?!?]]]]
** Because Earth is not a transportation hub, it's the universe's equivalent to a refugee camp. The majority of the trips there were probably one way, and the MIB itself is an earthbound organization, so they have little reason for leaving the planet.
** Still, it's hard to believe that there isn't a functional spaceship anywhere within easy reach, either from the Alien refugees, confiscated from hostile aliens, or built one THEMSELVES. In fact, the first MIB movie gives us the world fair flying saucers too, which were there prior to 1969.
** Because it would arouse too much suspicion. Anyone who saw the saucers flying would have to be neuralyzed, and tracking down each witness would be a huge hassle. Using a rocket that everyone knows is going up into space is the better choice.
** It could be one of the actions they had to take in order to succeed. Remember when Griffin told J and K that the only way they would get to the rocket was to tell the truth? Maybe if they used some other method it wouldn't work.
** This is a glaring issue that they should have ''at least'' alluded to and explained in the film, but didn't. You can WMG at possibilities, but they didn't stop and explain it. It probably can be explained away by that [[TimeyWimeyBall the timeline has to somewhat follow the way it actually happened]] - so if they used a spaceship they would have to launch said spacecraft from Cape Canaveral at the same time, with all they eyes of the world on them. HOWEVER this ''really'' should have been brought up in dialogue if it was the case.
** Another, very simple explanation, that was probably cut in editing to trim the fat, is that MiB can't drum up a spacecraft in under 6 hours.

[[/folder]]

[[folder:The Colonel]]

* The colonel is one giant example of a headscratcher. Why, on the day of the launch of the lunar mission, did he [[spoiler: bring his son along in the family car and park on the beach near a lift-off site, which, as we see, is vulnerable to being hit by the blast from lift-off. Granted, the blast is non-lethal, but why where they there in the first place? To watch the lift off from a dangerous spot where they could be injured? Now, it's possible that he had to drive out there to see the intruders for some reason, but why bring along his son? Furthermore, while he saw how important it was to help K and J accomplish their mission, the Colonel could have asked one of the guards to drive his son to safety. As it's presented, the idea that young J was patiently waiting inside the car the entire time during the final fight, liftoff, and his father's death seems downright silly.]]
** Or perhaps the [[spoiler:vision Griffin showed him told him to leave things that way]].

[[/folder]]

[[folder:Time Travel Logbook]]

* After Boris goes to the past and defeats K, why is his visit still listed in Jeffrey Price's logbook? Why would he ask to time-travel to 1969 in a timeline where he had already won?
** Since Jeffrey apparently still retains his memories of the previous timeline, perhaps his store is somehow shielded from timeline fractures. Plus, this obviously was not the first time he let others use the time travel devices.

[[/folder]]

[[folder:Paradox]]

* The ending of third film involves a pretty big unspoken TemporalParadox because [[spoiler: K kills past!Boris in the past. Since Boris is dead in the present he can't travel to the past to kill K and give J a reason to go to the past. But since that logically means J would never tell K to kill him Boris would have survived in that timeline. This means he would have gone back in time to kill K but then J would have... [[LogicBomb My brain hurts.]]]]
** [[spoiler: past!Boris killing the colonel, past!Boris's death, past!K's acknowledgment of past!J as a child and events that follow on create a Timeline C (the "Good Guys Win, Someone's Dad Dies" timeline) that erases Timeline A (the original starting from 1969) and Timeline B (the "Boris Wins" timeline). So the paradox mentioned above is erased, unless there is evidence to the contrary.]]
** [[spoiler: It was established at the beginning of the film that J's memory is protected from the timeline change because he was present for the event that changed; specifically, Cape Canaveral, when he was a boy. This sets a precedent for J's memory to be preserved; he traveled back in time because the timeline was different when he traveled, he returned to the fixed present, and then he went about his business.]]

[[/folder]]

[[folder:Disappearing from the timeline]]

* Since Agent K disappeared from the modern timeline, he would thus have never recruited Agent J in the first place. The timeline should have reset to have Agent J be in the NYPD or some other non-MIB employment. J should not still be an MIB agent if K doesn't even make it to the 1990's. That does not preclude another MIB agent to recruit Agent J, but that affects other events as well. It's possible that the other agent would be J's partner and not Agent K. There is also the possibility that J would be recruited by someone else and then *assigned* to K, but that contradicts the loose recruiting and trainer/mentor model that MIB uses.
** TimeyWimeyBall. Seriously that is really the only answer you need.
** There's a lot of TimeyWimeyBall in the movie, but it isn't necessary for that. K had nothing to do with the Bug's plan in [=MiB=], so in either timeline, J runs down a Cephalapod on foot as an NYPD officer, and an Agent gets assigned to investigate. J is legitimately Men In Black material, so it's no stretch to assume that whoever was assigned to his case decided to give him a shot, and he aces the test on his own.
** If K doesn't exist now, why wasn't Earth destroyed in MIB 2?
** Simple answer here: MiB 2 has the Light of Zartha arrive on Earth in '78. Most likely, D, O, or Zed handled the situation; remember Zed says, "I gave it to my best agent" - not just, "I gave it to K." In fact, it's more likely that the Light left Earth in '78 without an agent getting emotionally compromised.

[[/folder]]

[[folder:J's birthdate]]

* In the first film, K was about to assume that J "wasn't even alive in 1968" before the Bug nearly eats them both. But the third film shows that K clearly knew J was born before 1968. Did the writers just forget this little detail?
** Yes. Because it was a throwaway line, possibly one improvised by Tommy Lee Jones.
** Or he's playing dumb to cover his own ass.
** '''OR''' K just didn't recognize J at this point. There's no indication that he kept a particularly close eye on J personally, and "James Edwards" isn't a particularly unusual name.
** Or this happened back in the original unaltered timeline, and the one where K meets young J didn't exist yet.

[[/folder]]

[[folder:Headshots]]

* Boris has a habit of shooting everybody he wants gone in the head. In fact, he's quite skilled at it. [[spoiler: [[WhyDontYouJustShootHim Why didn't he shoot J in the head when he was already shooting him everywhere else?]] ]]
** J had already started pissing him off by calling him Boris the Animal, he was probably mad and wanted J to suffer a little before his signature head shot-- and he did not count on J pulling a time warp.

[[/folder]]

[[folder:Time reverse]]

* Speaking of time warps, [[spoiler: when Boris travels back in time there are two Borises; J travels back in time a few seconds so he can avoid Boris's projectiles. So why aren't there three Js - present J, his 1969 self we see shortly afterwards, and the time-travelling J?]]
** Maybe the time warp device has a time reverse function?
** Or maybe the device only sends one person back?
** Might be a locational thing. If you try to go back to a moment when you were already standing on or near the point that you'll land on, you replace yourself; J in that instance traveled back to when he was on the same girder, whereas when Boris traveled back, he was across town.
** It could also be that the duplication (or whatever) happens only if you aren't currently time jumping yourself. You're essentialy 'displaced' and not actually a part of the timeline just interacting with it.

[[/folder]]

[[folder:Frank photo]]

* Why does J have a giant photo of Frank (or at least Frank's disguise, depending on if thats what he really looks like or not) over his bed?
** His first mark.
** It was a way to get Frank into the film. If you want an in-universe explanation, maybe Frank gave it to J as a present... and had MIB requisitions go in and install it while J was out. J probably just hasn't waded through the paperwork to have it removed.

[[/folder]]

[[folder:Ripple Effect Proof Memory]]

* If there are only two recently-invented time machines in existence, and they're so classified that not even senior agents know about them, how do they have the samples or researchers to know that RippleEffectProofMemory gives you headaches and a craving for chocolatized dairy products?
** Take a look at the logbook when J's finding out what time Boris traveled to. There are a ton of entries in it, suggesting that this particular time machine has had plenty of customers.

[[/folder]]

[[folder:Shape of the World]]

* So what is the real shape (for lack of a better word) of our world? Are we part of an alien kid's super-marble? Are we sitting in the locker of an alien rail station (or so)? [[MindScrew Both at the same time??]] How does that work?
** As stupid as it sounds it appears as if we are sitting in an alien locker sitting in an alien marble. Remember that it is the ''Earth'' that is meant to be in a locker at a terminal just like the aliens who guard K's wristwatch whilst it is the ''Milky Way'' that some kid is playing with somewhere in the multiverse.
** To be more precise, we are sitting in an alien locker sitting in an alien marble in a timeline where Kay remembered to leave a tip.

[[/folder]]

[[folder:The Masquerade]]

* So what, exactly, is the MIB doing with its keep aliens secret from everybody else rule? Is there some sort of plan in place to allow them to safely reveal the presence of aliens to the world? Or are they just going to run around neuralizing people until the end of time?
** Logically speaking, they'll probably reveal things once our technology is advanced enough, and advance it as fast as they can without either drawing attention or causing social upheaval. The reason for waiting for technology is, of course, that we're a neutral zone; when the secret, because people are "dumb, panicky animals" that tend to act before thinking, we WILL ruin that neutral status in short order once we find out we're not alone. So, they're probably intentionally keeping it a secret until our technology is advanced enough to keep us LeeroyJenkins-ing it the moment the veil is lifted.
** Wouldn't that just mean that everybody would not only be LeeroyJenkinsing later instead of sooner, but have the technology to REALLY do some damage? Besides, wouldn't everybody be really pissed at the aliens and the MIB for keeping aliens a secret?
** Better than the alternative, which is to say declaring a hostile status towards some evil empire next-door and getting instantly vaporized. If they wait long enough, we'll have the shields (Arcnet is good, but increasingly outdated and specialized, so it can't be relied on) and starfighters to actually survive declaring a cessation of neutrality.
** Would cessation of neutrality really be a good thing, though? Right now, Earth has it pretty good. Sure, there's plenty of threats to the safety of the Earth floating around, but there's no indication that would change if Earth became a sovereign party in galactic politics. If anything, it seems that it would get worse; there doesn't seem to be any united galactic government, and all we ever see of intergalactic politics is war, war, war. Most of the time, threats to the Earth are indirect; the Arkillians are going to destroy the Earth to prevent the Galaxy from falling into the hands of their enemy and powering a war engine that would destroy their civilization. Sure, there's the occasional invasion, like the Boglodites, but there are also other alien civilizations stepping in to lend a hand, that may be less inclined to do so if Earth seemed like a legitimate threat in its own right, rather than everyone's favorite party town. That's not to mention the ''free technological advancements'' that Earth receives by simply holding the right to any and all confiscated tech. It's explicitly stated in the first film that a lot of Earth's tech advancements in the last century have been the result of reverse-engineering alien hardware. This isn't hardware that we had to bargain for or make economic deals for, it's all free tech that was confiscated from criminals. All in all, not having to worry about galactic wars and politics and only having to pick up the criminals here and there that enter our jurisdiction while getting free tech upgrades and cultural exposure to everything that's happening, Earth actually has a pretty sweet gig going for it.
** Precisely. But, the thing is, it may not be entirely morally defensible; there are almost certainly horrifically corrupt and evil (by human moral standards) powers that get free reign to vacation in NYC because of the neutrality (as that is, really, what neutrality ''means''). While that doesn't change the equation at all, there are nevertheless more than enough governments on Earth that would end up eliminating neutrality anyway for the sake of not having what we would consider war criminals coming here for fun - to do otherwise with the secret known would be to invite massive public outcry, and the public reactions to some of the migrants from such powers would likely lead to breakdown of neutrality regardless of political intent - lynchings, outspoken protests, etc. Thus, until the benefits of it going public and chances of surviving the inevitable breakdown of neutrality become considerably better, it would be both stupid and suicidal to reveal things, as revelation=cessation of neutrality as almost a certainty.
** So do they have something planned to make humanity more accepting to the existence of aliens when it's inevitably revealed so that it doesn't blow up in their faces? Maybe a way to keep the neutrality after TheReveal?
** Doubtful. Welcome to international politics, Galaxy edition. There are no easy answers, only a careful dance of threats, military showings, trade sanctions, and international treaties. Look at the real world- countries can only stay neutral in the long run if they're of no consequence at all (i.e., effectively third world nations without any interesting resources who haven't managed to offend anybody), if they're strong enough to scare off aggressors, or if angering them would mean a cutoff of vital trade. In this case, they're waiting in the first of those three categories (with the "not offending anybody" being the part necessitating the hiding thing) until we have the military to get into the second category or an economy sufficient to get into the third.
** With regards to the point about war criminals, the MiB do regulate who comes to Earth, what they do, etc. and there does seem to be some parties not invited to the open bar, so to speak. When Agents J and K started their investigation of the Bug in the Edgar Suit, K reported in to Zed, "We have a Bug," and ended his call. He didn't have to say anything beyond "Bug", implying that simply having a Bug on Earth was sufficient enough cause to pursue and apprehend. The suggestion here is that Bugs are not welcome on Earth at any point for any reason. We can speculate all manner of reason as to why, but the why is irrelevant; the important point here is that it demonstrates that as much as Earth is a big neutral party town, the MiB still hold the right to refuse service to anyone.
** Part of the plan may simply be to wait for a time when humanity seems mentally/socially prepared for alien life. That is, when their first reaction isn't "Shoot first, ask questions later." or like J in the first movie, poke everything (potentially causing a lot of unnecessary violence out of ignorance). If nothing else, look at what happened to other species that were overly aggressive (bugs and bogladians) - they got wiped out and MIB kind of has a vested interest in not allowing humanity to be wiped out.
** There's actually an explanation in the first movie for why "Bug" is enough of an explanation and clearance to pursue: They're never "neutral", they literally live to make war and exterminate other species.

[[/folder]]

[[folder:The Noisy Cricket]]

* In the first movie, why exactly did Kay give Jay, an untrained and new recruit, the Noisy Cricket as his sidearm? Despite its diminutive size it's destructive power rivals even the biggest guns used in the movie, and Kay didn't even warn him about it.
** His boss Zed told him to "Give the kid a weapon", and the Noisy Cricket was the least dangerous/destructive weapon available.
** FridgeBrilliance! One of the clues Frank the pug passes along is "When will you humans realize that just because something is small doesn't mean it's not powerful"!

[[/folder]]

[[folder:Exploding Aliens]]

* Whenever aliens are fatally shot, they seem to inevitably explode into a fine blue mist. Is this because of the natural properties of the aliens (unlikely, since all species seem to do this), or some inherent function of the guns used (in order to minimize physical evidence later)?
** I assume it's a consequence of the caliber and/or type of weapons being used; all the guns we see the Men in Black wielding are extremely powerful, with even the Noisy Cricket blowing a hole the size of a truck through a semi with a recoil that hurls J through the air. It's not so much that the weapons are programmed to cause things to explode into a blue mist upon death, it's that the weapons are powerful enough to ''vaporize'' any living thing they hit.

[[/folder]]

[[folder:Noticing on Apollo 11]]

* It doesn't matter how far away the Apollo 11 launch assembly is in the long shots, someone would have surely noticed the four beings fighting on the gantries, and falling off.
** Neuralize 'em.
** The launch was broadcast live throughout a large portion of the world. That's a lot of people to neuralize.
** 1960s [=TVs=] were not known for picture quality. And besides, not all broadcasts would give a clear view of the agents and the Borises.
** All the people watching would've seen was four people fighting on the gantry, and two of them falling (presumably to their deaths). Nothing there that proves the existence of aliens.

[[/folder]]

[[folder:Personal Prison]]

* Why did Boris get his own moon prison? Sure, as the lead-up to an alien invasion, he is a massive threat. However, after that invasion, he was just a guy who could learn to throw spikes. Sure, he was a good shot, but that's not exactly a global threat that requires billions of dollars to contain.
** He is part of a race of PlanetLooters, that's a danger to the universe even if they're supposedly extinct. Besides, more people might be on Lunar MAX.
** There ''are'' other prisoners in [=LunarMax=]. We see a wide shot of a hallway full of cells, and we know that Jeffrey's father (forgot his name) is there.

[[/folder]]

[[folder:Griffon's ability]]

* Just how does Griffin's ability work? Also, how did his race (its name escapes me right now) ever manage to be almost driven to extinction if they have such an ability? As it's described in MIB3, his race has the ability to see all possible timelines at once. How then, is Griffin able to predict anything? From what we see, he asks about or looks at random objects and uses that to figure out what timeline he's actually in, for instance he asks for J to show him his watch, and by that he's able to figure out that he'll be kidnapped by Boris in a few seconds, but that doesn't make sense. The reason is there is an infinite number of possiblities at any given time, there would be a timeline where J would have the watch, and have everything else Griffin can see around him be exactly the same, but Griffin would not be kidnapped as soon, or earlier, even by mere seconds, or even not be kidnapped at all. Similarly, if Griffin's race is ever in danger, they'd be able to see timelines where Griffin's race avoids the danger somehow, and thus would be able to act the same as in whatever timeline they chose to follow to avoid that danger, thus there shouldn't be any reason they'd EVER be in actual danger as a result.
** It obviously ''doesn't'' work very well, or else they wouldn't all be dead. Maybe Griffin was just abnormally skilled. Presumably, they see everything, but can't absorb it all, so they only focus on the most likely top million or so, in which case Griffin's skill would be being able to assimilate data from a higher number of probability-states.
** Griffin pretty much states that he has to be paying attention to a certain future in order to dodge danger, from the way he was kidnapped by Boris at the ballpark. So it's possible that the Arcanians, not suspecting the destruction of their world, weren't paying attention. It is also possible that the Boglodites simply had far superior technology, and thus there was literally nothing the Arcanians could've done, and were destroyed in every possible future. In that case, the Arcnet would've been designed in reaction to the Boglodite attack, and they never got the chance to deploy it.
** And being able to predict the future doesn't mean that you are capable of doing anything about it. Griffin is, physically speaking, not very capable. He might be an outlier, or it might be that his whole species are just terribly lazy and incapable on a physical level because--being able to see every timeline and avoid danger--they've never needed to be.

[[/folder]]

[[folder:Workaholic]]

* In the second film, Zed accuses J of basically being a workaholic. But what exactly are MIB agents supposed to do, aside from work all day? They can't have families. No friends either, aside from work relations. Aside from videogames and movies all day, there's nothing to do. If I was MIB, I'd be a workaholic out of sheer boredom.
** Video games and movies all day doesn't sound that bad to me.
** There seem to be plenty of diverse people and beings working at MIB, plenty of people to make friends with... it's even implied that Jay occasionally hangs out with the Worms. But they can do plenty of things... go to the theater (live or movies), go out to eat, go get a massage, even take a vacation and go on a cruise. Basically they'd just have to live like single people without a terribly active social life at worst, which is not a fate worse than death despite what tropes might say.
** "Sleep late, watch the Weather Channel."
** In the third movie, Jay says he's the MIB's league champ in bowling, so clearly there's activities and stuff organized, probably by the agents themselves.
** There's the other angle to being a workaholic - you wind up keeping the other people in the organization from doing as much work as they might need to. Sure, J's an excellent agent, but he might be preventing other agents from getting the experience they need to be excellent as well. Especially with how he's implied to be a little trigger-happy with his neuralizer.

[[/folder]]

[[folder:Shooting non-human ships]]

* In the first movie, when the Arquillians threatened to destroy the Earth if the MIB didn't secure the Galaxy by their arbitrary deadline why didn't the MIB call them back and suggest they just sit tight in orbit and fire on any non-human ship attempting to leave the planet?
** Because that would mean that they would destroy most any ship that left the planet, and since there are aliens abandoning Earth in droves at the time, that would mean a LOT of dead aliens. Also, if the the Bug managed to leave and Arquillians actually managed to destroy it's ship, it would probably destroy the galaxy in the process, and the Arquillians wouldn't want to risk that.
** Actually, K (or Z) mentioned that the Arquillians are prepared to destroy the galaxy, rather than let it fall into bugs' claws. I think the true reason was that Arquillians basically declared ''war'' on Earth ("Arquillian war custom: a preemptory shot and one standard galaxy week for a response"). MIB were in no position to demand anything.

[[/folder]]

[[folder:Warning shot]]

* Speaking of the Arquillians, that "warning shot" was about the size of a country...
** I thought it was a subtle gag about the hole in the ozone layer.

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[[folder: How do they fit?]]
* So after Serleena eats that guy alive she barfs him up and takes his clothes since she's just running around in a bra and panties at the moment, but how the heck do they wind up fitting her? Better yet how does this big bulky dude's clothes wind up so form fitting?
** She's forming the clothes herself. Jay vaporizes her at one point and she regenerates, clothes and all.
** Then why does she take the mugger's clothes in the first place? And before getting vaporized she seems to be wearing his clothes. You can even see her wearing the same rings he had on when he tried to mug her; rings she didn't have on until after she ate him and barfed him out.
** It might be something like the T-1000 where she can't shapeshift into something she hasn't at least seen or touched. Or she put on the clothes, then absorbed them.
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[[folder:Reason for memory]]

* Is there ever a reason given for J's RippleEffectProofMemory in the third film?
** Yeah, he was there (as a child) at the timeline divergence point in 1969 at the launch, which apparently grants immunity to any timeline changes from that particular divergence according to MIB timetravel rules.
** Then why was the guy in the shop who owned the time travel device also not affected?
** The guy MAKES and SELLS them! He would have to be pretty stupid not to throw in some tech to protect his own memory and existence in the event somebody changed history.

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[[folder: Just eat him]]
* Why doesn't Serleena just eat J or K when they got in her way? We've seen that she can swallow people whole with no effort, so why not just take care of them that way?
** Remember what happened to the last guy who tried to swallow K whole?
** Seems like a nitpick, but K did have a {{BFG}} in there with him. He didn't when facing Serleena.
** Noisy Cricket. The gun doesn't have to be big to be powerful, and Serleena would be foolish to assume that just because she didn't see a big honking space gun, the MIB didn't have weapons on them. Especially since K had already been proven to be carrying a grenade on him when he was fighting that heavily-armed trash can.
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[[folder:The hole in K's speech]]
* K argues against revealing the existence of aliens to humans, and frankly his speech is a load of bull. He points to people's reactions to not seeing that the Earth was the center of the universe and not realizing the Earth was flat. Ignoring the historical inaccuracies of his comment, he's pointing to realizations that were important parts in the development of human civilization. He can't honestly think learning the Earth revolves around the sun was a bad thing can he? Also, why doesn't he just give the much better reason that is ironically given as a joke, that TheWorldIsAlwaysDoomed and society really wouldn't be able to function if normal people knew that?
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[[folder:Fate of Retired MIB Agents]]
* So the MIB states they remove any record of their agents' former lives when they join. So what happens to them when they retire? The movie shows us their memories of MIB are erased and covers nothing else. Does the MIB really just abandon it's former agents to return to a normal live where as far as the rest of the world is concerned, they don't even exist?
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[[folder:Young Boris/Old Boris argument]]
* When Old Boris meets Young Boris, he calls YB "every mistake I ever made just waiting to happen". Since they have happened to OB but not yet to YB, shouldn't that have been the other way around?
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\n[[folder:Boris' girlfriend]]\n\n* What's the deal with Boris' unnamed girlfriend? Past!Boris is never seen with her, and though it's mentioned the two have been sending each other letters, how does that relationship get to the point where she had his name tattooed on her back?\n** Perhaps she just came across stories of his crimes and became obsessed with him. It wouldn't be the first time convicted killers picked up fans and copycats after their arrest.\n** Richard Ramirez is a pretty famous American serial killer that actually married one of his "fans" after he had been convicted of murdering multiple victims and given the death penalty, so it's not ridiculous to assume that Boris's girlfriend got his name tattooed on her back purely because she fell in love with his crimes. The real question is how she got into contact with him to begin with.\n\n[[/folder]]\n\n[[folder:Alien Fish]]\n\n* Maybe this is BizarreAlienBiology with a smidge of RuleOfFunny, but J deals with the giant alien fish by [[spoiler: pulling its heart out. It collapses, quite obviously out of commission if not outright dead]]. A scene or so later, [[spoiler: the fish is seen strapped to a truck, flopping around vigorously]]. Wha happa? [[spoiler: Did its heart grow back? Did an agent put its heart back? Did it have a spare kick in after the original was removed]]?\n** [[AWizardDidIt Alien biology.]]\n\n[[/folder]]\n\n[[folder:Lunar-Max Guards]]\n\n* Why are the guards at Lunar-Max so TooDumbToLive? Among their many idiocies:\n** Their scanners are as specific as "ceramic confectionery", but not more than "organic matter"...which encompasses everything from poisons to viruses, both of which would be invalubale in a prison escape.\n** They have weapons that can breach the wall of an airtight space station...in an airtight space station.\n** When they have an item that they have reason to believe contains harmful substances, they...stick their finger in it.\n** Seriously, MIB. The bad guys are the ones who are supposed to need the EvilOverlordList, not the good guys.\n** Basically, bad writing. The writers clearly wanted to do a "[[AcceptableTargets stupid hick Southern prison guards]]" series of jokes so they had MIB [[RuleOfFunny be incompetent for the sake of their "hilarious" gags]] and a lazy way to kick off the plot.\n\n[[/folder]]\n\n[[folder:Getting to space]]\n\n* In MIB3 near the end J&K have to [[spoiler:get a macguffin into space in order to save the Earth.]] The headscratcher comes from the fact that they had to use [[spoiler:1969 moon launch to get it up there.]] Seriously? You're telling me that out of the dozens of perfectly docile aliens that we see in the movie and the probably countless others on the planet [[spoiler:[[FridgeLogic there's not a single one anywhere that has a spaceship they could have used instead?!?]]]]\n** Because Earth is not a transportation hub, it's the universe's equivalent to a refugee camp. The majority of the trips there were probably one way, and the MIB itself is an earthbound organization, so they have little reason for leaving the planet.\n** Still, it's hard to believe that there isn't a functional spaceship anywhere within easy reach, either from the Alien refugees, confiscated from hostile aliens, or built one THEMSELVES. In fact, the first MIB movie gives us the world fair flying saucers too, which were there prior to 1969.\n** Because it would arouse too much suspicion. Anyone who saw the saucers flying would have to be neuralyzed, and tracking down each witness would be a huge hassle. Using a rocket that everyone knows is going up into space is the better choice.\n** It could be one of the actions they had to take in order to succeed. Remember when Griffin told J and K that the only way they would get to the rocket was to tell the truth? Maybe if they used some other method it wouldn't work.\n** This is a glaring issue that they should have ''at least'' alluded to and explained in the film, but didn't. You can WMG at possibilities, but they didn't stop and explain it. It probably can be explained away by that [[TimeyWimeyBall the timeline has to somewhat follow the way it actually happened]] - so if they used a spaceship they would have to launch said spacecraft from Cape Canaveral at the same time, with all they eyes of the world on them. HOWEVER this ''really'' should have been brought up in dialogue if it was the case.\n** Another, very simple explanation, that was probably cut in editing to trim the fat, is that MiB can't drum up a spacecraft in under 6 hours.\n\n[[/folder]]\n\n[[folder:The Colonel]]\n\n* The colonel is one giant example of a headscratcher. Why, on the day of the launch of the lunar mission, did he [[spoiler: bring his son along in the family car and park on the beach near a lift-off site, which, as we see, is vulnerable to being hit by the blast from lift-off. Granted, the blast is non-lethal, but why where they there in the first place? To watch the lift off from a dangerous spot where they could be injured? Now, it's possible that he had to drive out there to see the intruders for some reason, but why bring along his son? Furthermore, while he saw how important it was to help K and J accomplish their mission, the Colonel could have asked one of the guards to drive his son to safety. As it's presented, the idea that young J was patiently waiting inside the car the entire time during the final fight, liftoff, and his father's death seems downright silly.]]\n** Or perhaps the [[spoiler:vision Griffin showed him told him to leave things that way]].\n\n[[/folder]]\n\n[[folder:Time Travel Logbook]]\n\n* After Boris goes to the past and defeats K, why is his visit still listed in Jeffrey Price's logbook? Why would he ask to time-travel to 1969 in a timeline where he had already won?\n** Since Jeffrey apparently still retains his memories of the previous timeline, perhaps his store is somehow shielded from timeline fractures. Plus, this obviously was not the first time he let others use the time travel devices.\n\n[[/folder]]\n\n[[folder:Paradox]]\n\n* The ending of third film involves a pretty big unspoken TemporalParadox because [[spoiler: K kills past!Boris in the past. Since Boris is dead in the present he can't travel to the past to kill K and give J a reason to go to the past. But since that logically means J would never tell K to kill him Boris would have survived in that timeline. This means he would have gone back in time to kill K but then J would have... [[LogicBomb My brain hurts.]]]]\n** [[spoiler: past!Boris killing the colonel, past!Boris's death, past!K's acknowledgment of past!J as a child and events that follow on create a Timeline C (the "Good Guys Win, Someone's Dad Dies" timeline) that erases Timeline A (the original starting from 1969) and Timeline B (the "Boris Wins" timeline). So the paradox mentioned above is erased, unless there is evidence to the contrary.]]\n** [[spoiler: It was established at the beginning of the film that J's memory is protected from the timeline change because he was present for the event that changed; specifically, Cape Canaveral, when he was a boy. This sets a precedent for J's memory to be preserved; he traveled back in time because the timeline was different when he traveled, he returned to the fixed present, and then he went about his business.]]\n\n[[/folder]]\n\n[[folder:Disappearing from the timeline]]\n\n* Since Agent K disappeared from the modern timeline, he would thus have never recruited Agent J in the first place. The timeline should have reset to have Agent J be in the NYPD or some other non-MIB employment. J should not still be an MIB agent if K doesn't even make it to the 1990's. That does not preclude another MIB agent to recruit Agent J, but that affects other events as well. It's possible that the other agent would be J's partner and not Agent K. There is also the possibility that J would be recruited by someone else and then *assigned* to K, but that contradicts the loose recruiting and trainer/mentor model that MIB uses.\n** TimeyWimeyBall. Seriously that is really the only answer you need.\n** There's a lot of TimeyWimeyBall in the movie, but it isn't necessary for that. K had nothing to do with the Bug's plan in [=MiB=], so in either timeline, J runs down a Cephalapod on foot as an NYPD officer, and an Agent gets assigned to investigate. J is legitimately Men In Black material, so it's no stretch to assume that whoever was assigned to his case decided to give him a shot, and he aces the test on his own.\n** If K doesn't exist now, why wasn't Earth destroyed in MIB 2?\n** Simple answer here: MiB 2 has the Light of Zartha arrive on Earth in '78. Most likely, D, O, or Zed handled the situation; remember Zed says, "I gave it to my best agent" - not just, "I gave it to K." In fact, it's more likely that the Light left Earth in '78 without an agent getting emotionally compromised.\n\n[[/folder]]\n\n[[folder:J's birthdate]]\n\n* In the first film, K was about to assume that J "wasn't even alive in 1968" before the Bug nearly eats them both. But the third film shows that K clearly knew J was born before 1968. Did the writers just forget this little detail?\n** Yes. Because it was a throwaway line, possibly one improvised by Tommy Lee Jones.\n** Or he's playing dumb to cover his own ass.\n** '''OR''' K just didn't recognize J at this point. There's no indication that he kept a particularly close eye on J personally, and "James Edwards" isn't a particularly unusual name.\n** Or this happened back in the original unaltered timeline, and the one where K meets young J didn't exist yet.\n\n[[/folder]]\n\n[[folder:Headshots]]\n\n* Boris has a habit of shooting everybody he wants gone in the head. In fact, he's quite skilled at it. [[spoiler: [[WhyDontYouJustShootHim Why didn't he shoot J in the head when he was already shooting him everywhere else?]] ]]\n** J had already started pissing him off by calling him Boris the Animal, he was probably mad and wanted J to suffer a little before his signature head shot-- and he did not count on J pulling a time warp.\n\n[[/folder]]\n\n[[folder:Time reverse]]\n\n* Speaking of time warps, [[spoiler: when Boris travels back in time there are two Borises; J travels back in time a few seconds so he can avoid Boris's projectiles. So why aren't there three Js - present J, his 1969 self we see shortly afterwards, and the time-travelling J?]]\n** Maybe the time warp device has a time reverse function?\n** Or maybe the device only sends one person back?\n** Might be a locational thing. If you try to go back to a moment when you were already standing on or near the point that you'll land on, you replace yourself; J in that instance traveled back to when he was on the same girder, whereas when Boris traveled back, he was across town.\n** It could also be that the duplication (or whatever) happens only if you aren't currently time jumping yourself. You're essentialy 'displaced' and not actually a part of the timeline just interacting with it.\n\n[[/folder]]\n\n[[folder:Frank photo]]\n\n* Why does J have a giant photo of Frank (or at least Frank's disguise, depending on if thats what he really looks like or not) over his bed?\n** His first mark.\n** It was a way to get Frank into the film. If you want an in-universe explanation, maybe Frank gave it to J as a present... and had MIB requisitions go in and install it while J was out. J probably just hasn't waded through the paperwork to have it removed.\n\n[[/folder]]\n\n[[folder:Ripple Effect Proof Memory]]\n\n* If there are only two recently-invented time machines in existence, and they're so classified that not even senior agents know about them, how do they have the samples or researchers to know that RippleEffectProofMemory gives you headaches and a craving for chocolatized dairy products?\n** Take a look at the logbook when J's finding out what time Boris traveled to. There are a ton of entries in it, suggesting that this particular time machine has had plenty of customers.\n\n[[/folder]]\n\n[[folder:Shape of the World]]\n\n* So what is the real shape (for lack of a better word) of our world? Are we part of an alien kid's super-marble? Are we sitting in the locker of an alien rail station (or so)? [[MindScrew Both at the same time??]] How does that work?\n** As stupid as it sounds it appears as if we are sitting in an alien locker sitting in an alien marble. Remember that it is the ''Earth'' that is meant to be in a locker at a terminal just like the aliens who guard K's wristwatch whilst it is the ''Milky Way'' that some kid is playing with somewhere in the multiverse.\n** To be more precise, we are sitting in an alien locker sitting in an alien marble in a timeline where Kay remembered to leave a tip.\n\n[[/folder]]\n\n[[folder:The Masquerade]]\n\n* So what, exactly, is the MIB doing with its keep aliens secret from everybody else rule? Is there some sort of plan in place to allow them to safely reveal the presence of aliens to the world? Or are they just going to run around neuralizing people until the end of time?\n** Logically speaking, they'll probably reveal things once our technology is advanced enough, and advance it as fast as they can without either drawing attention or causing social upheaval. The reason for waiting for technology is, of course, that we're a neutral zone; when the secret, because people are "dumb, panicky animals" that tend to act before thinking, we WILL ruin that neutral status in short order once we find out we're not alone. So, they're probably intentionally keeping it a secret until our technology is advanced enough to keep us LeeroyJenkins-ing it the moment the veil is lifted.\n** Wouldn't that just mean that everybody would not only be LeeroyJenkinsing later instead of sooner, but have the technology to REALLY do some damage? Besides, wouldn't everybody be really pissed at the aliens and the MIB for keeping aliens a secret?\n** Better than the alternative, which is to say declaring a hostile status towards some evil empire next-door and getting instantly vaporized. If they wait long enough, we'll have the shields (Arcnet is good, but increasingly outdated and specialized, so it can't be relied on) and starfighters to actually survive declaring a cessation of neutrality.\n** Would cessation of neutrality really be a good thing, though? Right now, Earth has it pretty good. Sure, there's plenty of threats to the safety of the Earth floating around, but there's no indication that would change if Earth became a sovereign party in galactic politics. If anything, it seems that it would get worse; there doesn't seem to be any united galactic government, and all we ever see of intergalactic politics is war, war, war. Most of the time, threats to the Earth are indirect; the Arkillians are going to destroy the Earth to prevent the Galaxy from falling into the hands of their enemy and powering a war engine that would destroy their civilization. Sure, there's the occasional invasion, like the Boglodites, but there are also other alien civilizations stepping in to lend a hand, that may be less inclined to do so if Earth seemed like a legitimate threat in its own right, rather than everyone's favorite party town. That's not to mention the ''free technological advancements'' that Earth receives by simply holding the right to any and all confiscated tech. It's explicitly stated in the first film that a lot of Earth's tech advancements in the last century have been the result of reverse-engineering alien hardware. This isn't hardware that we had to bargain for or make economic deals for, it's all free tech that was confiscated from criminals. All in all, not having to worry about galactic wars and politics and only having to pick up the criminals here and there that enter our jurisdiction while getting free tech upgrades and cultural exposure to everything that's happening, Earth actually has a pretty sweet gig going for it.\n** Precisely. But, the thing is, it may not be entirely morally defensible; there are almost certainly horrifically corrupt and evil (by human moral standards) powers that get free reign to vacation in NYC because of the neutrality (as that is, really, what neutrality ''means''). While that doesn't change the equation at all, there are nevertheless more than enough governments on Earth that would end up eliminating neutrality anyway for the sake of not having what we would consider war criminals coming here for fun - to do otherwise with the secret known would be to invite massive public outcry, and the public reactions to some of the migrants from such powers would likely lead to breakdown of neutrality regardless of political intent - lynchings, outspoken protests, etc. Thus, until the benefits of it going public and chances of surviving the inevitable breakdown of neutrality become considerably better, it would be both stupid and suicidal to reveal things, as revelation=cessation of neutrality as almost a certainty.\n** So do they have something planned to make humanity more accepting to the existence of aliens when it's inevitably revealed so that it doesn't blow up in their faces? Maybe a way to keep the neutrality after TheReveal?\n** Doubtful. Welcome to international politics, Galaxy edition. There are no easy answers, only a careful dance of threats, military showings, trade sanctions, and international treaties. Look at the real world- countries can only stay neutral in the long run if they're of no consequence at all (i.e., effectively third world nations without any interesting resources who haven't managed to offend anybody), if they're strong enough to scare off aggressors, or if angering them would mean a cutoff of vital trade. In this case, they're waiting in the first of those three categories (with the "not offending anybody" being the part necessitating the hiding thing) until we have the military to get into the second category or an economy sufficient to get into the third.\n** With regards to the point about war criminals, the MiB do regulate who comes to Earth, what they do, etc. and there does seem to be some parties not invited to the open bar, so to speak. When Agents J and K started their investigation of the Bug in the Edgar Suit, K reported in to Zed, "We have a Bug," and ended his call. He didn't have to say anything beyond "Bug", implying that simply having a Bug on Earth was sufficient enough cause to pursue and apprehend. The suggestion here is that Bugs are not welcome on Earth at any point for any reason. We can speculate all manner of reason as to why, but the why is irrelevant; the important point here is that it demonstrates that as much as Earth is a big neutral party town, the MiB still hold the right to refuse service to anyone.\n** Part of the plan may simply be to wait for a time when humanity seems mentally/socially prepared for alien life. That is, when their first reaction isn't "Shoot first, ask questions later." or like J in the first movie, poke everything (potentially causing a lot of unnecessary violence out of ignorance). If nothing else, look at what happened to other species that were overly aggressive (bugs and bogladians) - they got wiped out and MIB kind of has a vested interest in not allowing humanity to be wiped out.\n** There's actually an explanation in the first movie for why "Bug" is enough of an explanation and clearance to pursue: They're never "neutral", they literally live to make war and exterminate other species.\n\n[[/folder]]\n\n[[folder:The Noisy Cricket]]\n\n* In the first movie, why exactly did Kay give Jay, an untrained and new recruit, the Noisy Cricket as his sidearm? Despite its diminutive size it's destructive power rivals even the biggest guns used in the movie, and Kay didn't even warn him about it.\n** His boss Zed told him to "Give the kid a weapon", and the Noisy Cricket was the least dangerous/destructive weapon available.\n** FridgeBrilliance! One of the clues Frank the pug passes along is "When will you humans realize that just because something is small doesn't mean it's not powerful"!\n\n[[/folder]]\n\n[[folder:Exploding Aliens]]\n\n* Whenever aliens are fatally shot, they seem to inevitably explode into a fine blue mist. Is this because of the natural properties of the aliens (unlikely, since all species seem to do this), or some inherent function of the guns used (in order to minimize physical evidence later)?\n** I assume it's a consequence of the caliber and/or type of weapons being used; all the guns we see the Men in Black wielding are extremely powerful, with even the Noisy Cricket blowing a hole the size of a truck through a semi with a recoil that hurls J through the air. It's not so much that the weapons are programmed to cause things to explode into a blue mist upon death, it's that the weapons are powerful enough to ''vaporize'' any living thing they hit.\n\n[[/folder]]\n\n[[folder:Noticing on Apollo 11]]\n\n* It doesn't matter how far away the Apollo 11 launch assembly is in the long shots, someone would have surely noticed the four beings fighting on the gantries, and falling off.\n** Neuralize 'em.\n** The launch was broadcast live throughout a large portion of the world. That's a lot of people to neuralize.\n** 1960s [=TVs=] were not known for picture quality. And besides, not all broadcasts would give a clear view of the agents and the Borises.\n** All the people watching would've seen was four people fighting on the gantry, and two of them falling (presumably to their deaths). Nothing there that proves the existence of aliens. \n\n[[/folder]]\n\n[[folder:Personal Prison]]\n\n* Why did Boris get his own moon prison? Sure, as the lead-up to an alien invasion, he is a massive threat. However, after that invasion, he was just a guy who could learn to throw spikes. Sure, he was a good shot, but that's not exactly a global threat that requires billions of dollars to contain.\n** He is part of a race of PlanetLooters, that's a danger to the universe even if they're supposedly extinct. Besides, more people might be on Lunar MAX.\n** There ''are'' other prisoners in [=LunarMax=]. We see a wide shot of a hallway full of cells, and we know that Jeffrey's father (forgot his name) is there.\n\n[[/folder]]\n\n[[folder:Griffon's ability]]\n\n* Just how does Griffin's ability work? Also, how did his race (its name escapes me right now) ever manage to be almost driven to extinction if they have such an ability? As it's described in MIB3, his race has the ability to see all possible timelines at once. How then, is Griffin able to predict anything? From what we see, he asks about or looks at random objects and uses that to figure out what timeline he's actually in, for instance he asks for J to show him his watch, and by that he's able to figure out that he'll be kidnapped by Boris in a few seconds, but that doesn't make sense. The reason is there is an infinite number of possiblities at any given time, there would be a timeline where J would have the watch, and have everything else Griffin can see around him be exactly the same, but Griffin would not be kidnapped as soon, or earlier, even by mere seconds, or even not be kidnapped at all. Similarly, if Griffin's race is ever in danger, they'd be able to see timelines where Griffin's race avoids the danger somehow, and thus would be able to act the same as in whatever timeline they chose to follow to avoid that danger, thus there shouldn't be any reason they'd EVER be in actual danger as a result.\n** It obviously ''doesn't'' work very well, or else they wouldn't all be dead. Maybe Griffin was just abnormally skilled. Presumably, they see everything, but can't absorb it all, so they only focus on the most likely top million or so, in which case Griffin's skill would be being able to assimilate data from a higher number of probability-states.\n** Griffin pretty much states that he has to be paying attention to a certain future in order to dodge danger, from the way he was kidnapped by Boris at the ballpark. So it's possible that the Arcanians, not suspecting the destruction of their world, weren't paying attention. It is also possible that the Boglodites simply had far superior technology, and thus there was literally nothing the Arcanians could've done, and were destroyed in every possible future. In that case, the Arcnet would've been designed in reaction to the Boglodite attack, and they never got the chance to deploy it.\n** And being able to predict the future doesn't mean that you are capable of doing anything about it. Griffin is, physically speaking, not very capable. He might be an outlier, or it might be that his whole species are just terribly lazy and incapable on a physical level because--being able to see every timeline and avoid danger--they've never needed to be.\n\n[[/folder]]\n\n[[folder:Workaholic]]\n\n* In the second film, Zed accuses J of basically being a workaholic. But what exactly are MIB agents supposed to do, aside from work all day? They can't have families. No friends either, aside from work relations. Aside from videogames and movies all day, there's nothing to do. If I was MIB, I'd be a workaholic out of sheer boredom.\n** Video games and movies all day doesn't sound that bad to me. \n** There seem to be plenty of diverse people and beings working at MIB, plenty of people to make friends with... it's even implied that Jay occasionally hangs out with the Worms. But they can do plenty of things... go to the theater (live or movies), go out to eat, go get a massage, even take a vacation and go on a cruise. Basically they'd just have to live like single people without a terribly active social life at worst, which is not a fate worse than death despite what tropes might say.\n** "Sleep late, watch the Weather Channel."\n** In the third movie, Jay says he's the MIB's league champ in bowling, so clearly there's activities and stuff organized, probably by the agents themselves.\n** There's the other angle to being a workaholic - you wind up keeping the other people in the organization from doing as much work as they might need to. Sure, J's an excellent agent, but he might be preventing other agents from getting the experience they need to be excellent as well. Especially with how he's implied to be a little trigger-happy with his neuralizer.\n\n[[/folder]]\n\n[[folder:Shooting non-human ships]]\n\n* In the first movie, when the Arquillians threatened to destroy the Earth if the MIB didn't secure the Galaxy by their arbitrary deadline why didn't the MIB call them back and suggest they just sit tight in orbit and fire on any non-human ship attempting to leave the planet?\n** Because that would mean that they would destroy most any ship that left the planet, and since there are aliens abandoning Earth in droves at the time, that would mean a LOT of dead aliens. Also, if the the Bug managed to leave and Arquillians actually managed to destroy it's ship, it would probably destroy the galaxy in the process, and the Arquillians wouldn't want to risk that.\n** Actually, K (or Z) mentioned that the Arquillians are prepared to destroy the galaxy, rather than let it fall into bugs' claws. I think the true reason was that Arquillians basically declared ''war'' on Earth ("Arquillian war custom: a preemptory shot and one standard galaxy week for a response"). MIB were in no position to demand anything.\n\n[[/folder]]\n\n[[folder:Warning shot]]\n\n* Speaking of the Arquillians, that "warning shot" was about the size of a country...\n** I thought it was a subtle gag about the hole in the ozone layer.\n\n[[/folder]]\n\n[[folder: How do they fit?]]\n* So after Serleena eats that guy alive she barfs him up and takes his clothes since she's just running around in a bra and panties at the moment, but how the heck do they wind up fitting her? Better yet how does this big bulky dude's clothes wind up so form fitting?\n** She's forming the clothes herself. Jay vaporizes her at one point and she regenerates, clothes and all.\n** Then why does she take the mugger's clothes in the first place? And before getting vaporized she seems to be wearing his clothes. You can even see her wearing the same rings he had on when he tried to mug her; rings she didn't have on until after she ate him and barfed him out.\n** It might be something like the T-1000 where she can't shapeshift into something she hasn't at least seen or touched. Or she put on the clothes, then absorbed them.\n[[/folder]]\n\n[[folder:Reason for memory]]\n\n* Is there ever a reason given for J's RippleEffectProofMemory in the third film?\n** Yeah, he was there (as a child) at the timeline divergence point in 1969 at the launch, which apparently grants immunity to any timeline changes from that particular divergence according to MIB timetravel rules.\n** Then why was the guy in the shop who owned the time travel device also not affected?\n** The guy MAKES and SELLS them! He would have to be pretty stupid not to throw in some tech to protect his own memory and existence in the event somebody changed history.\n\n[[/folder]]\n\n[[folder: Just eat him]]\n* Why doesn't Serleena just eat J or K when they got in her way? We've seen that she can swallow people whole with no effort, so why not just take care of them that way?\n** Remember what happened to the last guy who tried to swallow K whole?\n** Seems like a nitpick, but K did have a {{BFG}} in there with him. He didn't when facing Serleena.\n** Noisy Cricket. The gun doesn't have to be big to be powerful, and Serleena would be foolish to assume that just because she didn't see a big honking space gun, the MIB didn't have weapons on them. Especially since K had already been proven to be carrying a grenade on him when he was fighting that heavily-armed trash can.\n[[/folder]]\n\n[[folder:The hole in K's speech]]\n* K argues against revealing the existence of aliens to humans, and frankly his speech is a load of bull. He points to people's reactions to not seeing that the Earth was the center of the universe and not realizing the Earth was flat. Ignoring the historical inaccuracies of his comment, he's pointing to realizations that were important parts in the development of human civilization. He can't honestly think learning the Earth revolves around the sun was a bad thing can he? Also, why doesn't he just give the much better reason that is ironically given as a joke, that TheWorldIsAlwaysDoomed and society really wouldn't be able to function if normal people knew that?\n[[/folder]]\n\n[[folder:Fate of Retired MIB Agents]]\n* So the MIB states they remove any record of their agents' former lives when they join. So what happens to them when they retire? The movie shows us their memories of MIB are erased and covers nothing else. Does the MIB really just abandon it's former agents to return to a normal live where as far as the rest of the world is concerned, they don't even exist?\n[[/folder]]\n\n[[folder:Young Boris/Old Boris argument]]\n* When Old Boris meets Young Boris, he calls YB "every mistake I ever made just waiting to happen". Since they have happened to OB but not yet to YB, shouldn't that have been the other way around?\n[[/folder]]----
11th Aug '17 4:49:57 AM JohnShel91
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* When Old Boris meets Young Boris, he calls YB "every mistake I ever made just waiting to happen". Since they have happened to OB but not yet to YB, shouldn't that have been the other way around?
1st Aug '17 6:43:09 PM FateStayWho
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* So the MIB states they remove any record of their agents' former lives when they join. So what happens to them when they retire? The movie shows us their memories of MIB are erased and covers nothing else. Does the MIB really just abandon it's former agents to return to a normal live where as far as the rest of the world is concerned, they don't even exist?
24th Jul '17 6:35:57 PM FateStayWho
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* K argues against revealing the existence of aliens to humans, and frankly his speech is a load of bull. He points to people's reactions to not seeing that the Earth was the center of the universe and not realizing the Earth was flat. Ignoring the historical inaccuracies of his comment, he's pointing to realizations that were important parts in the development of human civilization. He can't honestly think learning the Earth revolves around the sun was a bad thing can he? Also, why doesn't he just give the much better reason that is ironically given as a joke, that TheWorldIsAlwaysDoomed and society really wouldn't be able to function if normal people knew that?
9th Apr '17 2:27:50 AM Gushi
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** RIP Mr. Torn -- Zed's Dead, Baby. Zed's dead.
1st Feb '17 12:47:32 AM PaulA
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** The same reason why nobody but a small minority of people noticed a '''Tyrannosaurus rex''' walking around San Diego in ''TheLostWorld''. In other words, WeirdnessCensor.

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** The same reason why nobody but a small minority of people noticed a '''Tyrannosaurus rex''' walking around San Diego in ''TheLostWorld''.''Film/TheLostWorldJurassicPark''. In other words, WeirdnessCensor.
27th Nov '16 11:53:39 PM bombadil211
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*** Earth isn't supposed to have that tech. Using it to quickly translate the message would tip the aliens off about it and cause even more problems.
17th Nov '16 10:42:45 AM airforceteacher
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** Last suit you'll ever wear is hyperbole, a way of driving home that the new agent's life has been changed dramatically.
** J's 'fashionable' suit at the end seems to be a way of saying that J is an innovator type, and as he's trying to find his place in MiB, he straetches the rules to find himself and take mental charge of his new life. His huge confidence and assuredness when he talks,about Rodman. By the next movie he's back to the standard MiB suit because he's matured a bit - he's much more no-nonsense about the mission than proving himself (he's likely beyond the insecure 'don't call me Sport' phase, so also doesn't feel the need to stand out among other Agenst with his clothing either.)
30th Sep '16 7:55:10 PM lorgskyegon
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** Makes even less sense considering K showed J a universal translator earlier in the film.
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