History Headscratchers / ManOfSteel

5th Feb '17 7:02:39 PM Saintheart
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** Dealing with probably the more direct question of why it wasn't technologically possible for Zod to terraform Mars, the answer lies somewhere in Zod's assertion during the dream sequence that "a foundation has to be built on something". We don't know what the full range of capabilities of the World Engine are as such, but the fact that Kryptonian colonies were referred to as "outposts" that withered when cut off from Krypton suggests that the terraforming capabilities of the World Engine are limited; it seems to need an atmosphere to work on, which Mars doesn't have. The fact that the Kryptonians didn't terraform every single world they came across implies the World Engine can only really alter certain planets to Kryptonian norms. Earth happens to be one of those most rare gems in the cosmos: a planet that can actually be converted into a new Krypton.
9th Jan '17 2:41:44 PM Discar
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*** except that Jor El's theory on the flaws of Kryptonian breeding (flaws which he himself was not excluded from, as he stated later) was that because of the selective breeding, if he (or anyone born in this method) tried to learn to be something other than a scientist, then he wouldn't be able to, due to being bred to be a scientist. If he were capable of "breaking the mold" by learning to fight, then that would mean he was wrong.

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*** except ** Except that Jor El's theory on the flaws of Kryptonian breeding (flaws which he himself was not excluded from, as he stated later) was that because of the selective breeding, if he (or anyone born in this method) tried to learn to be something other than a scientist, then he wouldn't be able to, due to being bred to be a scientist. If he were capable of "breaking the mold" by learning to fight, then that would mean he was wrong.



*** Except they had the prison ship which a handful of soldiers managed to repurpose into a full-fledged starship. That doesn't say stagnant technology and a defunct space program to me,
* The Council themselves also initially believe that Jor-El was implying a planetary evacuation, something which they outright seem to be rather hesitant in taking as an option. That said, they probably hadn't the resources left to try an evacuation even if they wanted to.
* The reason is that the Council arrogantly believed that they had absolute control over the planet. To them, it wasn't going to blow up if they didn't want it to, and thus they saw no reason to do anything.

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*** ** Except they had the prison ship which a handful of soldiers managed to repurpose into a full-fledged starship. That doesn't say stagnant technology and a defunct space program to me,
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The Council themselves also initially believe that Jor-El was implying a planetary evacuation, something which they outright seem to be rather hesitant in taking as an option. That said, they probably hadn't the resources left to try an evacuation even if they wanted to.
* ** The reason is that the Council arrogantly believed that they had absolute control over the planet. To them, it wasn't going to blow up if they didn't want it to, and thus they saw no reason to do anything.



* There is not that much light, maybe is sunrise in the ocean and sunset in Metropolis. You can actually see that in the final Zod-Superman fight the buildings have the lights on.

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* ** There is not that much light, maybe is sunrise in the ocean and sunset in Metropolis. You can actually see that in the final Zod-Superman fight the buildings have the lights on.



*** In this case, they're synonymous. If they know his secret identity is Clark Kent, they'll know where he lives/etc.

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*** ** In this case, they're synonymous. If they know his secret identity is Clark Kent, they'll know where he lives/etc.



*** That's not what "evolution" means. What you describe is random mutation or genetic drift, which is only one part of evolution; the whole process also comprises natural selection, which precisely removes those non-beneficial mutations you mention from the gene pool and ensures that evolution is in fact always beneficial (or at least non-harmful).

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*** ** That's not what "evolution" means. What you describe is random mutation or genetic drift, which is only one part of evolution; the whole process also comprises natural selection, which precisely removes those non-beneficial mutations you mention from the gene pool and ensures that evolution is in fact always beneficial (or at least non-harmful).



* In her little villainous rant, she said Superman was weak because he had morality, and her side was better because they didn't. Except ... They very obviously '' '''do''' '' have a strong sense of morality, since they're not only loyal to each other, they're risking and sacrificing their own lives to save their people. Theirs is not an equalitarian or liberal morality, obviously, but it's equally clear they aren't just selfish psychopaths. Someone ''truly'' without morality wouldn't give a damn about rebuilding Krypton or resurrecting its people, he'd be way too happy just playing demigod among the PunyEarthlings with his superpowers. ([[UnfortunateImplications Oh, wait...]]) So, what's Faora's problem? Perhaps she doesn't speak English very well, so she mixes up the words and says something other than what she really intended?

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* In her little villainous rant, she said Superman was weak because he had morality, and her side was better because they didn't. Except ...Except... They very obviously '' '''do''' '' have a strong sense of morality, since they're not only loyal to each other, they're risking and sacrificing their own lives to save their people. Theirs is not an equalitarian or liberal morality, obviously, but it's equally clear they aren't just selfish psychopaths. Someone ''truly'' without morality wouldn't give a damn about rebuilding Krypton or resurrecting its people, he'd be way too happy just playing demigod among the PunyEarthlings with his superpowers. ([[UnfortunateImplications Oh, wait...]]) So, what's Faora's problem? Perhaps she doesn't speak English very well, so she mixes up the words and says something other than what she really intended?
9th Jan '17 11:50:20 AM Anythingsfine
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*** That's not what "evolution" means. What you describe is random mutation or genetic drift, which is only one part of evolution; the whole process also comprises natural selection, which precisely removes those non-beneficial mutations you mention from the gene pool and ensures that evolution is in fact always beneficial (or at least non-harmful).
31st Dec '16 4:00:05 PM Dreaming_Shark
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** Heck, would he have even needed to go so far as obviously using superpowers to save Jonathan? Ordinary humans can manage incredible feats of athleticism and strength under high pressure, so why not just sprint (at human sprinting speeds) to the car, throw Jonathan over his shoulder, and run back to shelter? If he'd done that, at most it ends up being a small article in the local newspaper about a heroic young man risking his life to save his father, people in town talk about it for a while, and then something else interesting happens and people gradually stop talking about it.
28th Nov '16 12:22:34 PM Gess
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** So where did Clark keep the key before giving it to Lois? Also, what's wrong with pockets? Feora kept her dagger in a seath, not just warped it in or materialised or something. There's no reason to believe they didn't use pockets or pouches or like.
28th Nov '16 12:05:14 PM Gess
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*** Except they had the prison ship which a handful of soldiers managed to repurpose into a full-fledged starship. That doesn't say stagnant technology and a defunct space program to me,


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** Strange they never mention this even once.
25th Nov '16 1:18:14 PM nombretomado
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** Clark knows where her powers come from; the Jor-El A.I. told him. The composition of Earth's atmosphere & the absorbtion of yellow sunlight from Earth's sun. But really, there is no realistic, established way to imprision Zod and/or remove his powers left at the end of the movie. Zod is a superpowered alien now capable of everything that Superman can do, there is no believable way of keeping such a being unconcious in what could take months or years, at least a few weeks to give the government "some time to think of something" (it would be laughable if the superpowered Kryptonians could be taken out with common anesthetic gases or drugs). Introducing Lex Luthor at the tail end of the movie wouldn't have been a smart move (unless it was an aftercredits scene) since it would have taken away the movie's "Zod vs the House of El" theme and would leave the audiences grumbling that they wasted Luthor on a few minutes; that's why the shoutouts to Luthor in the movie were all low-key. The only way the movie established that a Kryptonian's powers can be lost is if they are in the natural or simulated settings of Krypton's atmosphere, which can no longer be done with the destruction of '''all of the Kryptonian ships'''. Between stopping Zod from causing any more casualties and surely knowing full well that nothing now can stop '''him''' let alone Zod, Clark had to make his actions... [[AvatarTheLastAirbender decisive]]. After all, he can't very well remove Zod's powers with a heretofore unmentioned spiritbending in the last moments, leaving him a broken shell of the man he once was, right?

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** Clark knows where her powers come from; the Jor-El A.I. told him. The composition of Earth's atmosphere & the absorbtion of yellow sunlight from Earth's sun. But really, there is no realistic, established way to imprision Zod and/or remove his powers left at the end of the movie. Zod is a superpowered alien now capable of everything that Superman can do, there is no believable way of keeping such a being unconcious in what could take months or years, at least a few weeks to give the government "some time to think of something" (it would be laughable if the superpowered Kryptonians could be taken out with common anesthetic gases or drugs). Introducing Lex Luthor at the tail end of the movie wouldn't have been a smart move (unless it was an aftercredits scene) since it would have taken away the movie's "Zod vs the House of El" theme and would leave the audiences grumbling that they wasted Luthor on a few minutes; that's why the shoutouts to Luthor in the movie were all low-key. The only way the movie established that a Kryptonian's powers can be lost is if they are in the natural or simulated settings of Krypton's atmosphere, which can no longer be done with the destruction of '''all of the Kryptonian ships'''. Between stopping Zod from causing any more casualties and surely knowing full well that nothing now can stop '''him''' let alone Zod, Clark had to make his actions... [[AvatarTheLastAirbender [[WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender decisive]]. After all, he can't very well remove Zod's powers with a heretofore unmentioned spiritbending in the last moments, leaving him a broken shell of the man he once was, right?
8th Oct '16 12:15:52 AM phoenixrider
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** He is weak because he cares for PunyEarthlings and is unwilling to make sacrifices to win. They are willing to sacrifice anything to achieve their goal. And not caring about others and caring if your species is going extinct are two very different things.

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** He is weak because he cares for PunyEarthlings and is unwilling to make sacrifices to win. She is right. Supes was holding back for the sake of civilians since he could reduce the town to a smoking crater and vaporise the Krytonians in a heartbeat. They are willing to sacrifice anything to achieve their goal. And not caring about others and caring if your species is going extinct are two very different things.
8th Oct '16 12:12:39 AM phoenixrider
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** He is weak because he cares for PunyEarthlings and is unwilling to make sacrifices to win. They are willing to sacrifice anything to achieve their goal. And not caring about others and caring if your species is going extinct are two very different things.
30th Sep '16 7:02:02 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** And you thought ''{{Series/Smallville}}'' was bad...it's like TheyJustDidntCare.

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** And you thought ''{{Series/Smallville}}'' was bad...it's like TheyJustDidntCare.bad.
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