History Headscratchers / MagiNation

5th Jan '16 1:09:36 PM Nixkat
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*** As someone who played all of 10 minutes of the GBC game before I got fed up with how dark everything is (so hard to see...) and never played the CCG, I can answer this one. The show is bad. Too much exposition dump without interesting characters to distract from it. Also, really cliche everything.

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*** As someone who played all of 10 minutes of the GBC game before I got fed up with how dark everything is (so hard to see...) and never played the CCG, I can answer this one. The show is bad. Too much exposition dump without interesting characters to distract from it. Also, really cliche everything.everything.
* The conflict between the Guardian Hyrens of Arderial and the Core is probably the biggest plot hole in the show. Its just mind boggling how glaring it is and I think it happened because the writers wrote themselves into a corner by having void energy be 100% evil but native core creatures and the hyren being good when not corrupted by shadow magi. Which is only part of what's wrong with the show trying to pull a BlackAndWhiteMorality world but not keeping it consistent.
25th Aug '12 6:39:39 PM Riyshn
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** I am wondering how much of the hate has to do with the actual quality, and how much is about TheyChangedItNowItSucks or {{Adaptation Decay}}.

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** I am wondering how much of the hate has to do with the actual quality, and how much is about TheyChangedItNowItSucks or {{Adaptation Decay}}.Decay}}.
*** As someone who played all of 10 minutes of the GBC game before I got fed up with how dark everything is (so hard to see...) and never played the CCG, I can answer this one. The show is bad. Too much exposition dump without interesting characters to distract from it. Also, really cliche everything.
11th Jun '12 10:08:05 PM leafeon
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** I am wondering how much of the hate has to do with the actual quality, and how much is about "They Changed It Now It Sucks" or {{Adaptation Decay}}.

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** I am wondering how much of the hate has to do with the actual quality, and how much is about "They Changed It Now It Sucks" TheyChangedItNowItSucks or {{Adaptation Decay}}.
11th Jun '12 10:06:28 PM leafeon
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** I am wondering how much of the hate has to do with the actual quality, and how much is about "They Changed It,Now It Sucks" or {{Adaptation Decay}}.

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** I am wondering how much of the hate has to do with the actual quality, and how much is about "They Changed It,Now It Now It Sucks" or {{Adaptation Decay}}.
11th Jun '12 10:05:09 PM leafeon
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** I am wondering how much of the hate has to do with the actual quality, and how much is about TheyChangedIt,NowItSucks/AdaptationDecay.

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** I am wondering how much of the hate has to do with the actual quality, and how much is about TheyChangedIt,NowItSucks/AdaptationDecay."They Changed It,Now It Sucks" or {{Adaptation Decay}}.
11th Jun '12 10:04:00 PM leafeon
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** I am wondering how much of the hate has to do with the actual quality, and how much is about TheyChangedItNowItSucks/AdaptationDecay.

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** I am wondering how much of the hate has to do with the actual quality, and how much is about TheyChangedItNowItSucks/AdaptationDecay.TheyChangedIt,NowItSucks/AdaptationDecay.
11th Jun '12 10:02:36 PM leafeon
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*** "At least it exists?" That has never, ever been solid justification for anything. I suppose I don't quite understand your questions, though. Those are discussion questions that don't really fit on this page. The point is this: we don't like the TV series because it is a bad replacement for something that we loved and grew up with. There is no way to make the TV series "better" without destroying it and replacing it with something truer to the original. If you would like to discuss more, I have created a topic in the discussion forum for Magi-Nation.

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*** "At least it exists?" That has never, ever been solid justification for anything. I suppose I don't quite understand your questions, though. Those are discussion questions that don't really fit on this page. The point is this: we don't like the TV series because it is a bad replacement for something that we loved and grew up with. There is no way to make the TV series "better" without destroying it and replacing it with something truer to the original. If you would like to discuss more, I have created a topic in the discussion forum for Magi-Nation.Magi-Nation.
** I am wondering how much of the hate has to do with the actual quality, and how much is about TheyChangedItNowItSucks/AdaptationDecay.
16th May '11 10:10:33 AM ALinktotheDriveway
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**** Well, at least it exists, and serves to draw attention to the original for those who are willing to look. Out of curiosity, what parts of the show that you've seen are well done? Pretty hard question, yes, but still valid. Out of what there is, what are the pros to the TV show? What could be kept, if it was completely redone? Would you feel better if there was a line that said "Based off of the CCG by 2i Entertainment"? In short, if you see the show as broken, how would you fix it, without completely destroying the show, as much as you want to? Even if these arguements are seen as negative, worthless, or biased, even an arguement can draw attention to a cause.

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**** Well, at least it exists, and serves to draw attention to the original for those who are willing to look. Out of curiosity, what parts of the show that you've seen are well done? Pretty hard question, yes, but still valid. Out of what there is, what are the pros to the TV show? What could be kept, if it was completely redone? Would you feel better if there was a line that said "Based off of the CCG by 2i Entertainment"? In short, if you see the show as broken, how would you fix it, without completely destroying the show, as much as you want to? Even if these arguements are seen as negative, worthless, or biased, even an arguement can draw attention to a cause.cause.
*** "At least it exists?" That has never, ever been solid justification for anything. I suppose I don't quite understand your questions, though. Those are discussion questions that don't really fit on this page. The point is this: we don't like the TV series because it is a bad replacement for something that we loved and grew up with. There is no way to make the TV series "better" without destroying it and replacing it with something truer to the original. If you would like to discuss more, I have created a topic in the discussion forum for Magi-Nation.
14th May '11 11:32:56 AM raptyr
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*** If taken from a more professionally objective point of view, I feel safe in saying that when comparing the artwork, plots, characters, and overall storylines of the TV series versus the original series, the original series would win by a landslide simply because there was much more detail and creator devotion and the storylines were immense and pieced together wonderfully. The TV series is modeled as a cheap cash-in as a Pokemon rip-off as the troper above me said... it's the fact that this is so painfully obvious that makes the TV series such a distress for original fans. Something that we loved was replaced by an obviously cheap knock-off that basically announces that the only reason it exists is to make whatever money it can.

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*** If taken from a more professionally objective point of view, I feel safe in saying that when comparing the artwork, plots, characters, and overall storylines of the TV series versus the original series, the original series would win by a landslide simply because there was much more detail and creator devotion and the storylines were immense and pieced together wonderfully. The TV series is modeled as a cheap cash-in as a Pokemon rip-off as the troper above me said... it's the fact that this is so painfully obvious that makes the TV series such a distress for original fans. Something that we loved was replaced by an obviously cheap knock-off that basically announces that the only reason it exists is to make whatever money it can.can.
****Well, at least it exists, and serves to draw attention to the original for those who are willing to look. Out of curiosity, what parts of the show that you've seen are well done? Pretty hard question, yes, but still valid. Out of what there is, what are the pros to the TV show? What could be kept, if it was completely redone? Would you feel better if there was a line that said "Based off of the CCG by 2i Entertainment"? In short, if you see the show as broken, how would you fix it, without completely destroying the show, as much as you want to? Even if these arguements are seen as negative, worthless, or biased, even an arguement can draw attention to a cause.
13th May '11 5:34:32 AM ALinktotheDriveway
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* I think it's because it gets replaced with the villian trying to get him to not trust others instead. That's not even getting into how there's no mention of Kyros at all, that I've seen. Instead, it's replaced with Orwin going on about the 'final dreamer' or something. Probably the same thing, but that's to be expected with everything ''else'' in canon that the cartoon tosses out.
* It's been a while since I've played the game, but one thing that always bothered me was the whole Magus Kyros thing. Gia tells Tony the prophecy and everything, and even though he fulfills every statement pretty much to a "t," Gia later informs Tony that, oops, she was wrong, and Tony ISN'T the Magus Kyros... why? because the prophecy is a warning. How does that even make sense?

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* ** I think it's because it gets replaced with the villian trying to get him to not trust others instead. That's not even getting into how there's no mention of Kyros at all, that I've seen. Instead, it's replaced with Orwin going on about the 'final dreamer' or something. Probably the same thing, but that's to be expected with everything ''else'' in canon that the cartoon tosses out.
* It's been a while since I've played the game, but one thing that always bothered me was the whole Magus Kyros thing. Gia tells Tony the prophecy and everything, and even though he fulfills every statement pretty much to a "t," Gia later informs Tony that, oops, she was wrong, and Tony ISN'T the Magus Kyros... why? because the prophecy is actually a warning. How does that even make sense?
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