History Headscratchers / LyricalNanoha

14th Dec '15 12:29:21 PM Koveras
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** My guess is that she's joined a secret organization and needs to hunt down objects for the safety of the world, and that there's a girl in the opposition that she wants to befriend. Believe me, the [[TriangleHeart3SweetSongsForever Takamachi family is used to this stuff.]]

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** My guess is that she's joined a secret organization and needs to hunt down objects for the safety of the world, and that there's a girl in the opposition that she wants to befriend. Believe me, the [[TriangleHeart3SweetSongsForever [[VisualNovel/TriangleHeart3SweetSongsForever Takamachi family is used to this stuff.]]



** A ContinuityNod to ''TriangleHeart3SweetSongsForever''. The "old job" they mention every so often was that of a bodyguard. In the original continuity, he got killed. In this one, he was only severely injured and decides to retire.

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** A ContinuityNod to ''TriangleHeart3SweetSongsForever''.''VisualNovel/TriangleHeart3SweetSongsForever''. The "old job" they mention every so often was that of a bodyguard. In the original continuity, he got killed. In this one, he was only severely injured and decides to retire.
14th Dec '15 12:28:50 PM Koveras
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* What happened to [[Main/TriangleHeart3SweetSongsForever Fiasse]]? Does she even exist? For that matter, why is Shirou alive, and why were Suzuka and Farin added? Removing them wouldn't have meant anything to the plot.

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* What happened to [[Main/TriangleHeart3SweetSongsForever [[VisualNovel/TriangleHeart3SweetSongsForever Fiasse]]? Does she even exist? For that matter, why is Shirou alive, and why were Suzuka and Farin added? Removing them wouldn't have meant anything to the plot.
12th Dec '15 7:27:04 PM nombretomado
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** [[XWingSeries Probably the same way the whole population of Coruscant missed Palpatine burying an entire Imperial Super Star Destroyer beneath the city]].

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** [[XWingSeries [[Literature/XWingSeries Probably the same way the whole population of Coruscant missed Palpatine burying an entire Imperial Super Star Destroyer beneath the city]].
31st Oct '15 12:31:36 PM Prfnoff
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* Here's one for A's: If the knights could so easily disobey Hayate's orders not to go fight anymore (and therefore prove that they have free will), then why couldn't they just do the same with their worse masters? Were they that dense? Did they really not give a f*ck? And, as mentioned in Chapter 19.5 of ''Manga/ViVid'', several other masters were nice to the Wolks too, so saying that Hayate's goodness/decent treatment of them made them nicer/have free will/etc. would be a plot hole in and of itself.

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* Here's one for A's: If the knights could so easily disobey Hayate's orders not to go fight anymore (and therefore prove that they have free will), then why couldn't they just do the same with their worse masters? Were they that dense? Did they really not give a f*ck? And, as mentioned in Chapter 19.5 of ''Manga/ViVid'', ''[[Manga/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaViVid ViVid]]'', several other masters were nice to the Wolks too, so saying that Hayate's goodness/decent treatment of them made them nicer/have free will/etc. would be a plot hole in and of itself.



** It's clear in ''Manga/ViVid'' that Nanoha is still in contact with her family on Earth.

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** It's clear in ''Manga/ViVid'' ''[[Manga/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaViVid ViVid]]'' that Nanoha is still in contact with her family on Earth.



***** Nanoha was using blaster 1 in ViVid's mock battle so...who knows?


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***** Nanoha was using blaster 1 in ViVid's ''[[Manga/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaViVid ViVid]]''[='s=] mock battle so...who knows?




** When she's at the Nakajima house in ''Manga/ViVid'', she doesn't always wear it (Late Chapter 2 at the dinner table, mid-Chapter 8 when talking about the trip) and just has her eye shut. It's unclear why she doesn't wear it there, though.

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** When she's at the Nakajima house in ''Manga/ViVid'', ''[[Manga/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaViVid ViVid]]'', she doesn't always wear it (Late Chapter 2 at the dinner table, mid-Chapter 8 when talking about the trip) and just has her eye shut. It's unclear why she doesn't wear it there, though.



*** For some reason, Sein's official age is listed as 12 in ''[[Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaStrikers StrikerS]]'', making her younger than all the other Numbers with given ages despite Nove, who is 13 in ''[=StrikerS=]'' noting that she is supposed to be older than her in Chapter 11 of ''Manga/ViVid'', and Sein referring to herself as Wendi's older sister when informing her that she's going to rescue Cinque from Subaru in Episode 17 of ''[=StrikerS=]''. It's possible that the ages were decided based on mental maturity, since Subaru notes that Dieci and Cinque, the two oldest of the reformed Numbers, are especially "mature and adult-like" in Sound Stage M3.

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*** For some reason, Sein's official age is listed as 12 in ''[[Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaStrikers StrikerS]]'', making her younger than all the other Numbers with given ages despite Nove, who is 13 in ''[=StrikerS=]'' noting that she is supposed to be older than her in Chapter 11 of ''Manga/ViVid'', ''[[Manga/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaViVid ViVid]]'', and Sein referring to herself as Wendi's older sister when informing her that she's going to rescue Cinque from Subaru in Episode 17 of ''[=StrikerS=]''. It's possible that the ages were decided based on mental maturity, since Subaru notes that Dieci and Cinque, the two oldest of the reformed Numbers, are especially "mature and adult-like" in Sound Stage M3.



* It's been what, fourteen years since we last saw her, and Takamachi Miyuki still looks like a teenager in ''Manga/ViVid''! What kind of Oil of Olay is she ''using''?

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* It's been what, fourteen years since we last saw her, and Takamachi Miyuki still looks like a teenager in ''Manga/ViVid''! ''[[Manga/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaViVid ViVid]]''! What kind of Oil of Olay is she ''using''?



** It's possible that her track record of service helped, as Fate has done 21 cases in the years between when she became and Enforcer and when ''[=StrikerS=]'' began, and the cases are important, but not exciting enough to make into series. Similarly, Subaru and Teana become "well-respected," among the Bureau, according to Nove, in the years between ''[=StrikerS=]'' and ''Manga/ViVid'', and Subaru is the "Silver Ace" as of ''Audioplay/StrikerSSoundStageX''.

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** It's possible that her track record of service helped, as Fate has done 21 cases in the years between when she became and Enforcer and when ''[=StrikerS=]'' began, and the cases are important, but not exciting enough to make into series. Similarly, Subaru and Teana become "well-respected," among the Bureau, according to Nove, in the years between ''[=StrikerS=]'' and ''Manga/ViVid'', ''[[Manga/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaViVid ViVid]]'', and Subaru is the "Silver Ace" as of ''Audioplay/StrikerSSoundStageX''.
29th Aug '15 7:27:17 AM Prfnoff
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* Why is ''NanohaForce'' considered the fourth season? Given that ''NanohaViVid'' takes place before it souldn't it be th fourth season, and Nanoha Force be the fifth season?

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* Why is ''NanohaForce'' ''Manga/MagicalRecordLyricalNanohaForce'' considered the fourth season? Given that ''NanohaViVid'' ''Manga/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaViVid'' takes place before it souldn't it be th fourth season, and Nanoha Force be the fifth season?



* According to the YMMV page for MagicalRecordLyricalNanohaForce and the CreatorsPet page, the author of Force suggests being surprised that the Huckebein are seen as less sympathetic than they were intended to be. Could something similar have happened with Precia, especially considering that she's portrayed more sympathetically in the movie?

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* According to the YMMV page for MagicalRecordLyricalNanohaForce ''Manga/MagicalRecordLyricalNanohaForce'' and the CreatorsPet page, the author of Force suggests being surprised that the Huckebein are seen as less sympathetic than they were intended to be. Could something similar have happened with Precia, especially considering that she's portrayed more sympathetically in the movie?
11th Jul '15 3:28:59 PM nombretomado
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*** The Wolkenritter killed many of those large monsters on various uninhabited planets, which [[CaptainObvious take much more punishment than a weak little human]]. Magic is clearly capable of killing things much more physically powerful than people. MGLN's avoidance of really killing off anyone (even the RedShirtArmy clerks of the TSAB don't die conclusively) comes across as lame as when jRPG monsters just [[NonLethalKO "knock out"]] the player characters. Considering how much the violence was amped up in ''[[Anime/StrikerS StrikerS]]'' I was somewhat annoyed that it seemed to be very inconsistent. Plus, [[HotBlooded Vita]] really should have [[HeroicSacrifice died]] in the Saint's Cradle.

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*** The Wolkenritter killed many of those large monsters on various uninhabited planets, which [[CaptainObvious take much more punishment than a weak little human]]. Magic is clearly capable of killing things much more physically powerful than people. MGLN's avoidance of really killing off anyone (even the RedShirtArmy clerks of the TSAB don't die conclusively) comes across as lame as when jRPG monsters just [[NonLethalKO "knock out"]] the player characters. Considering how much the violence was amped up in ''[[Anime/StrikerS ''[[Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaStrikers StrikerS]]'' I was somewhat annoyed that it seemed to be very inconsistent. Plus, [[HotBlooded Vita]] really should have [[HeroicSacrifice died]] in the Saint's Cradle.



*** Actually if you'll have a good look at Asura in first two series you'll see point-defense cannons. And they'll disappear in ''[[Anime/StrikerS StrikerS]]'' when it's decommissioned. Also - bureau ships in [=StrikerS=] didn't used [=AeC=] on Cradle, but they main guns. [=AeC=] is installed only by special orders and require time for that (installing that is, orders could be bypassed after all) - and they didn't had it, also effects of cannons are not similar with [=AeC=] showings.

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*** Actually if you'll have a good look at Asura in first two series you'll see point-defense cannons. And they'll disappear in ''[[Anime/StrikerS ''[[Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaStrikers StrikerS]]'' when it's decommissioned. Also - bureau ships in [=StrikerS=] didn't used [=AeC=] on Cradle, but they main guns. [=AeC=] is installed only by special orders and require time for that (installing that is, orders could be bypassed after all) - and they didn't had it, also effects of cannons are not similar with [=AeC=] showings.



** In the last episode of ''[[Anime/StrikerS StrikerS]]'', they fire blue lasers that don't seem to be the Arc-en-ciel at the Cradle (they look different, and if it were the Arc-en-ciel, they'd only fire once, rather than in a seven-shot volley, to destroy the Cradle).

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** In the last episode of ''[[Anime/StrikerS ''[[Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaStrikers StrikerS]]'', they fire blue lasers that don't seem to be the Arc-en-ciel at the Cradle (they look different, and if it were the Arc-en-ciel, they'd only fire once, rather than in a seven-shot volley, to destroy the Cradle).



** Apparently, some people in the TSAB think that Hayate wanted to complete the Book of Darkness to save her own skin (as Auris accuses her flat out of this in episode 18 of [[Anime/StrikerS StrikerS]]). Also Hayate never seemed to deny this accusation, probably so she can take responsibility for what her Guardian Knights had done. After all, everybody thought that the Wolkenritter only acted on the orders of the master of the Book of Darkness before Hayate came along.

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** Apparently, some people in the TSAB think that Hayate wanted to complete the Book of Darkness to save her own skin (as Auris accuses her flat out of this in episode 18 of [[Anime/StrikerS [[Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaStrikers StrikerS]]). Also Hayate never seemed to deny this accusation, probably so she can take responsibility for what her Guardian Knights had done. After all, everybody thought that the Wolkenritter only acted on the orders of the master of the Book of Darkness before Hayate came along.



*** For some reason, Sein's official age is listed as 12 in ''[[Anime/StrikerS StrikerS]]'', making her younger than all the other Numbers with given ages despite Nove, who is 13 in ''[=StrikerS=]'' noting that she is supposed to be older than her in Chapter 11 of ''Manga/ViVid'', and Sein referring to herself as Wendi's older sister when informing her that she's going to rescue Cinque from Subaru in Episode 17 of ''[=StrikerS=]''. It's possible that the ages were decided based on mental maturity, since Subaru notes that Dieci and Cinque, the two oldest of the reformed Numbers, are especially "mature and adult-like" in Sound Stage M3.

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*** For some reason, Sein's official age is listed as 12 in ''[[Anime/StrikerS ''[[Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaStrikers StrikerS]]'', making her younger than all the other Numbers with given ages despite Nove, who is 13 in ''[=StrikerS=]'' noting that she is supposed to be older than her in Chapter 11 of ''Manga/ViVid'', and Sein referring to herself as Wendi's older sister when informing her that she's going to rescue Cinque from Subaru in Episode 17 of ''[=StrikerS=]''. It's possible that the ages were decided based on mental maturity, since Subaru notes that Dieci and Cinque, the two oldest of the reformed Numbers, are especially "mature and adult-like" in Sound Stage M3.



* Does it seem odd that Vivio left a few people whom she owes for her present happiness off her [[http://www.onemanga.com/Magical_Girl_Lyrical_Nanoha_ViVid/1/07/ mailing]] [[http://www.onemanga.com/Magical_Girl_Lyrical_Nanoha_ViVid/1/08/ list]] for her commemorative photo? 1)Yuuno; disregarding the shipping implications of not including him, [[http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=37267&page=63 Sound Stage M3 indicates that the two are somewhat close and he's been teaching her search magic]]. 2)Shamal and Zafira; Shamal says in Sound Stage M4 that she and Zafira regularly get emails from Vivio with pictures of her and Nanoha, Zafira is Vivio's babysitter of sorts, and Shamal is Nanoha's (and possibly Vivio's) doctor. 3)Teana; in the ''[[Anime/StrikerS StrikerS]]'' sound stages, [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JG2mz1IY8RY&feature=channel Vivio states at 2:08 that as Teana is her mother's student and she owes her a lot, she wants to help her with the Mariage investigation]], and she's also the only forward not shown getting a picture.

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* Does it seem odd that Vivio left a few people whom she owes for her present happiness off her [[http://www.onemanga.com/Magical_Girl_Lyrical_Nanoha_ViVid/1/07/ mailing]] [[http://www.onemanga.com/Magical_Girl_Lyrical_Nanoha_ViVid/1/08/ list]] for her commemorative photo? 1)Yuuno; disregarding the shipping implications of not including him, [[http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=37267&page=63 Sound Stage M3 indicates that the two are somewhat close and he's been teaching her search magic]]. 2)Shamal and Zafira; Shamal says in Sound Stage M4 that she and Zafira regularly get emails from Vivio with pictures of her and Nanoha, Zafira is Vivio's babysitter of sorts, and Shamal is Nanoha's (and possibly Vivio's) doctor. 3)Teana; in the ''[[Anime/StrikerS ''[[Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaStrikers StrikerS]]'' sound stages, [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JG2mz1IY8RY&feature=channel Vivio states at 2:08 that as Teana is her mother's student and she owes her a lot, she wants to help her with the Mariage investigation]], and she's also the only forward not shown getting a picture.



* What significance is a magical word at all? Was it even mentioned at any point during ''[[Anime/StrikerS StrikerS]]''? Or A's?

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* What significance is a magical word at all? Was it even mentioned at any point during ''[[Anime/StrikerS ''[[Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaStrikers StrikerS]]''? Or A's?



* Just what is up with the Saint Church? They worship the Belkan line of Saint Kings, that I understand. Where I get confused is the reasoning - they worship the Saint Kings for their role in ending the Saint King Unification War. The problem with this being that, as the name of the conflict indicates, the Saint King Unification War was an attempt by the surviving lineage of Saint Kings to reestablish the ancient Belkan empire, through military force. Their role in ending the centuries-long war was getting killed at the end of it. And the Saint Church was formed around the same time as the Time-Space Administration Bureau, seventy-five years before ''[[Anime/StrikerS StrikerS]]'', ''almost immediately following the end of the Unification War.''

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* Just what is up with the Saint Church? They worship the Belkan line of Saint Kings, that I understand. Where I get confused is the reasoning - they worship the Saint Kings for their role in ending the Saint King Unification War. The problem with this being that, as the name of the conflict indicates, the Saint King Unification War was an attempt by the surviving lineage of Saint Kings to reestablish the ancient Belkan empire, through military force. Their role in ending the centuries-long war was getting killed at the end of it. And the Saint Church was formed around the same time as the Time-Space Administration Bureau, seventy-five years before ''[[Anime/StrikerS ''[[Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaStrikers StrikerS]]'', ''almost immediately following the end of the Unification War.''



** @/{{Comartemis}} has a long-held theory that the Belkan Royal Family were actually just figureheads for a group of one or more warmongers or otherwise powerful military figures inside the Belkan Empire, similar to how the Emperor of Japan had no real power on his own during Japan's Sengoku era. Consider what we've seen of the Saint's Cradle, and what's mentioned in the [[AllThereInTheManual Manual]]: the Kaisers live their entire lives aboard a secure space-going vessel manned and operated by a combination of military personnel and Type-IV drones. That ship's security system can take control of the Kaiser's body and force her to fight against her will. The Kaiser's throne has ''restraints'' on it, and the throne room is a good distance away from the bridge. None of this speaks of a high regard for the person who's supposed to be the highest authority figure in the Empire; it speaks of a person being used as a weapon, just as Jail used Vivio in ''[[Anime/StrikerS StrikerS]]''. Following this theory, the ones doing all the fighting were the Kaiser's "underlings", her Generals, who acted and fought "in her name" until the Kaiser somehow broke lose from her confinement and brought the truth to the people of the Empire. The Saint King Unification Wars are an analogue to the Meiji Restoration, with the Kaiser's loyalists fighting to defeat the ruling Generals and restore the Kaiser to her place; however at the end of the war, something happens that results in the Kaiser passing away, but not before giving orders to disarm the military and never wage war again. After thousands of years of nonstop fighting, the Belkans are ''ecstatic'' to be able to throw down their weapons and have peace for a change, thus ushering in the age of the TSAB and enshrining the Saint King as a great peacemaker.

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** @/{{Comartemis}} has a long-held theory that the Belkan Royal Family were actually just figureheads for a group of one or more warmongers or otherwise powerful military figures inside the Belkan Empire, similar to how the Emperor of Japan had no real power on his own during Japan's Sengoku era. Consider what we've seen of the Saint's Cradle, and what's mentioned in the [[AllThereInTheManual Manual]]: the Kaisers live their entire lives aboard a secure space-going vessel manned and operated by a combination of military personnel and Type-IV drones. That ship's security system can take control of the Kaiser's body and force her to fight against her will. The Kaiser's throne has ''restraints'' on it, and the throne room is a good distance away from the bridge. None of this speaks of a high regard for the person who's supposed to be the highest authority figure in the Empire; it speaks of a person being used as a weapon, just as Jail used Vivio in ''[[Anime/StrikerS ''[[Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaStrikers StrikerS]]''. Following this theory, the ones doing all the fighting were the Kaiser's "underlings", her Generals, who acted and fought "in her name" until the Kaiser somehow broke lose from her confinement and brought the truth to the people of the Empire. The Saint King Unification Wars are an analogue to the Meiji Restoration, with the Kaiser's loyalists fighting to defeat the ruling Generals and restore the Kaiser to her place; however at the end of the war, something happens that results in the Kaiser passing away, but not before giving orders to disarm the military and never wage war again. After thousands of years of nonstop fighting, the Belkans are ''ecstatic'' to be able to throw down their weapons and have peace for a change, thus ushering in the age of the TSAB and enshrining the Saint King as a great peacemaker.



** Assumption as far as this troper is aware. The Belkan Empire is considered a subject of archelogical record and not written record, so the odds are pretty good we're talking ''at least'' 250 years to eliminate any possiblity of widespread written records or oral history. That or older, pretty much anything goes.
** I ''seem'' to recall a mention of Olivie dying 'around three hundred years ago' in ''[[Anime/StrikerS StrikerS]]''.

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** Assumption as far as this troper is aware. The Belkan Empire is considered a subject of archelogical archaelogical record and not written record, so the odds are pretty good we're talking ''at least'' 250 years to eliminate any possiblity of widespread written records or oral history. That or older, pretty much anything goes.
** I ''seem'' to recall a mention of Olivie dying 'around three hundred years ago' in ''[[Anime/StrikerS ''[[Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaStrikers StrikerS]]''.



*** We don't know that some of the Numbers aren't exactly that. The Combat Cyborg process, though, seems to damage magical ranking; official materials rank the Combat Cyborgs based on a rough mage equivalent to their augmentations, not raw magical power, and none of the post-''[[Anime/StrikerS StrikerS]]'' manga have depicted them as having any great talent for raw magic, just the Combat Cyborg augmentations.

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*** We don't know that some of the Numbers aren't exactly that. The Combat Cyborg process, though, seems to damage magical ranking; official materials rank the Combat Cyborgs based on a rough mage equivalent to their augmentations, not raw magical power, and none of the post-''[[Anime/StrikerS post-''[[Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaStrikers StrikerS]]'' manga have depicted them as having any great talent for raw magic, just the Combat Cyborg augmentations.



* How did Nanoha became famous on Midchilda? It's like hearing a police officer or someone in the military here get famous. We hear about it then a few months later we forget. but everyone on Midchilda consider her an Idol despite not doing anything big between ''A's'' and ''[[Anime/StrikerS StrikerS]]''.

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* How did Nanoha became famous on Midchilda? It's like hearing a police officer or someone in the military here get famous. We hear about it then a few months later we forget. but everyone on Midchilda consider her an Idol despite not doing anything big between ''A's'' and ''[[Anime/StrikerS ''[[Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaStrikers StrikerS]]''.



* What happened to Vivio being an unstoppable combat monster in her Sankt Kaiser form at the end of ''[[Anime/StrikerS StrikerS]]''? It might be due to having a WorthyOpponent, but she has a lot of difficulty standing up to Einhart, who in turn was earlier shown to have been badly beaten up by Nove. Granted it's mostly pure close combat, but still...

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* What happened to Vivio being an unstoppable combat monster in her Sankt Kaiser form at the end of ''[[Anime/StrikerS ''[[Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaStrikers StrikerS]]''? It might be due to having a WorthyOpponent, but she has a lot of difficulty standing up to Einhart, who in turn was earlier shown to have been badly beaten up by Nove. Granted it's mostly pure close combat, but still...



** Does it have to be? Perhaps the writers were simply trying to think of an exotic name that doesn't sound Japanese or of Earth origin, and only started going into ThemeNaming and references when the Midchildians comprised the majority of the cast in [[Anime/StrikerS StrikerS]].

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** Does it have to be? Perhaps the writers were simply trying to think of an exotic name that doesn't sound Japanese or of Earth origin, and only started going into ThemeNaming and references when the Midchildians comprised the majority of the cast in [[Anime/StrikerS [[Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaStrikers StrikerS]].



* By the time of [[Anime/StrikerS StrikerS]], who's stronger between Nanoha and Fate?
** Basing on the amount of magic power alone, I would put my money on Fate, as since the beginning, her magical point values (for a lack of a better term), has been stronger than Nanoha's. If we take into consideration Nanoha's near-death experience, which caused her to be out of commission for a long time, then her stats (again for a lack of a better term), did not increase or possibly decreased, while Fate was still able to train. Though by the time of [[Anime/StrikerS StrikerS]] both of them had reached S-rank, I think Fate is stronger then Nanoha in terms of magic power.

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* By the time of [[Anime/StrikerS [[Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaStrikers StrikerS]], who's stronger between Nanoha and Fate?
** Basing on the amount of magic power alone, I would put my money on Fate, as since the beginning, her magical point values (for a lack of a better term), has been stronger than Nanoha's. If we take into consideration Nanoha's near-death experience, which caused her to be out of commission for a long time, then her stats (again for a lack of a better term), did not increase or possibly decreased, while Fate was still able to train. Though by the time of [[Anime/StrikerS [[Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaStrikers StrikerS]] both of them had reached S-rank, I think Fate is stronger then Nanoha in terms of magic power.
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** Strangely enough, regarding the gender of titles, while Hayate tends to be referred to as "Mistress" by Signum, Zafira and Reinforce in the fansubs for A's, she gets referred to as "Master" in the fansubs for ''[[Anime/StrikerS StrikerS]]'' and the dub of A's.

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** Strangely enough, regarding the gender of titles, while Hayate tends to be referred to as "Mistress" by Signum, Zafira and Reinforce in the fansubs for A's, she gets referred to as "Master" in the fansubs for ''[[Anime/StrikerS ''[[Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaStrikers StrikerS]]'' and the dub of A's.



** Also most of multi-projectile attacks such as Accel/Axel Shooter are not homing/seeking. They are mentally guided/aimed and if we believe what Vita says in A's it seems that the attack is hard to control and need a lot of skills/training.(Nanoha did manage to control the attack anyway)Another proof is in ''[[Anime/StrikerS StrikerS]]'' on "Teana's misfire incident" . Hayate took the "command" path in the Bureau meaning she did more training in admin/directive/management and presumably she had less time to train her magic skills while Fate and Nanoha both take "Enforcer" and "Sky mage" paths respectively which needs a lot of combat training.

* How in God's name does the ''[[Anime/StrikerS StrikerS]]'' scenario come to take place? It makes absolutely zero sense to this troper that Nanoha would EVER abandon Earth, her family, her friends, and her life there. If anything, I could see her doing what Fate did, which is basically joining the TSAB, which would effectively allow her to protect "everyone, everywhere", including her home. Instead, she basically relocates hereself and her life to Midchilda and becomes a citizen, and by all indications cuts most of her ties to Earth. This troper understands that part of the answer lies in the fact that ''[[Anime/StrikerS StrikerS]]'' retconned a HUGE amount of the Nanoha canon revolving around the background and setting (I.E., among other things, the TSAB going from a mostly independant organization with carte blanche to protect the space/time continuum whilst enacting something resembling Star Trek's 'Prime Directive', to, in a nutshell "MIDCHILDA'S AIR FORCE, completely under their every machanation and command with very little power), but it still makes no sense that Nanoha goes nd joins the Midchildan Armed Ground Forces.

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** Also most of multi-projectile attacks such as Accel/Axel Shooter are not homing/seeking. They are mentally guided/aimed and if we believe what Vita says in A's it seems that the attack is hard to control and need a lot of skills/training.(Nanoha did manage to control the attack anyway)Another proof is in ''[[Anime/StrikerS ''[[Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaStrikers StrikerS]]'' on "Teana's misfire incident" . Hayate took the "command" path in the Bureau meaning she did more training in admin/directive/management and presumably she had less time to train her magic skills while Fate and Nanoha both take "Enforcer" and "Sky mage" paths respectively which needs a lot of combat training.

* How in God's name does the ''[[Anime/StrikerS ''[[Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaStrikers StrikerS]]'' scenario come to take place? It makes absolutely zero sense to this troper that Nanoha would EVER abandon Earth, her family, her friends, and her life there. If anything, I could see her doing what Fate did, which is basically joining the TSAB, which would effectively allow her to protect "everyone, everywhere", including her home. Instead, she basically relocates hereself and her life to Midchilda and becomes a citizen, and by all indications cuts most of her ties to Earth. This troper understands that part of the answer lies in the fact that ''[[Anime/StrikerS ''[[Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaStrikers StrikerS]]'' retconned a HUGE amount of the Nanoha canon revolving around the background and setting (I.E., among other things, the TSAB going from a mostly independant independent organization with carte blanche to protect the space/time continuum whilst enacting something resembling Star Trek's 'Prime Directive', to, in a nutshell "MIDCHILDA'S AIR FORCE, completely under their every machanation and command with very little power), but it still makes no sense that Nanoha goes nd joins the Midchildan Armed Ground Forces.



** Also she was not in ground forces before ''[[Anime/StrikerS StrikerS]]''. She was in training division - she was training airforce and navy personel + testing new equipment. Which is the best thing she could do to protect "everyone, everywhere".

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** Also she was not in ground forces before ''[[Anime/StrikerS ''[[Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaStrikers StrikerS]]''. She was in training division - she was training airforce and navy personel + testing new equipment. Which is the best thing she could do to protect "everyone, everywhere".



* As the above entry notes, the vast amount of retcons in ''[[Anime/StrikerS StrikerS]]'' played havok with what little logic and sense the Nanoha 'Verse followed. The power Limiters, for example, stand in complete logical contradiction to the idea adhered to in original and A's of the support mage, and their protective barriers such as the ones Yuuno loved to cast. The sole purpose of these was to prevent the surrounding areas and people from being destroyed. The power limiters exist for the exactl same purpose, except they cut the effectiveness of the Midchildan Army by a vast percentage. Considering the series can't even make the claim that Nanoha and company are "too powerful to be contained by the barriers", its even more glaring.

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* As the above entry notes, the vast amount of retcons in ''[[Anime/StrikerS ''[[Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaStrikers StrikerS]]'' played havok with what little logic and sense the Nanoha 'Verse followed. The power Limiters, for example, stand in complete logical contradiction to the idea adhered to in original and A's of the support mage, and their protective barriers such as the ones Yuuno loved to cast. The sole purpose of these was to prevent the surrounding areas and people from being destroyed. The power limiters exist for the exactl same purpose, except they cut the effectiveness of the Midchildan Army by a vast percentage. Considering the series can't even make the claim that Nanoha and company are "too powerful to be contained by the barriers", its even more glaring.



** Remember, Nanoha's full power Starlight Breaker was powerful enough to be classified as a barrier-breaking attack through sheer power alone... in A's. By [[Anime/StrikerS StrikerS]], pretty much all of her attacks would be at that level, meaning that a limiter would be necessary to keep her from breaking whatever barrier they put up the moment one of her attacks misses.

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** Remember, Nanoha's full power Starlight Breaker was powerful enough to be classified as a barrier-breaking attack through sheer power alone... in A's. By [[Anime/StrikerS [[Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaStrikers StrikerS]], pretty much all of her attacks would be at that level, meaning that a limiter would be necessary to keep her from breaking whatever barrier they put up the moment one of her attacks misses.



* On the above note, why are the cyborgs, who for all intents and purposes utilizing free will, instantly forgiven and pardoned for their crimes. This goes for the other Nanoha series as well. It seems like very few criminals are actually punished in Nanoha, which seems quite strange considering the leadership and atmosphere as presented in ''[[Anime/StrikerS StrikerS]]''. You can excuse some of this (for example, Precia being allowed to continue and go through with her experiments, and being allowed to 'run free' after her heinous crimes to continue them on her own) as being a part of the government conspiracy's Xanatos Gambits, but not most of the rest.

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* On the above note, why are the cyborgs, who for all intents and purposes utilizing free will, instantly forgiven and pardoned for their crimes. This goes for the other Nanoha series as well. It seems like very few criminals are actually punished in Nanoha, which seems quite strange considering the leadership and atmosphere as presented in ''[[Anime/StrikerS ''[[Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaStrikers StrikerS]]''. You can excuse some of this (for example, Precia being allowed to continue and go through with her experiments, and being allowed to 'run free' after her heinous crimes to continue them on her own) as being a part of the government conspiracy's Xanatos Gambits, but not most of the rest.



* In episode 8 of ''[[Anime/StrikerS StrikerS]]'', why the heck does Nanoha beat Tia into the ground for doing extra training, and taking practice seriously? Honestly, the whole point of practice is to be ready for the real thing; if you're not going full steam ahead in practice, you'll never succeed in combat. Honestly, I think Tia was in the right in that episode.

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* In episode 8 of ''[[Anime/StrikerS ''[[Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaStrikers StrikerS]]'', why the heck does Nanoha beat Tia into the ground for doing extra training, and taking practice seriously? Honestly, the whole point of practice is to be ready for the real thing; if you're not going full steam ahead in practice, you'll never succeed in combat. Honestly, I think Tia was in the right in that episode.



** Having watched this particular episode and being a fan of the TV version of the animation(as opposed to the "fixed" DVD versions, go figure), I always saw this scene as an enormous subversion of Nanoha's Messiah tendencies. She's gone through two seasons being more or less always right about anything she decides on, to the point that a friend of mine noted she seems to have a split personality as dictated by the plot: shy and self-effacing out of combat, and judgment and personal strength on par with a person three times her age on demand. Anyway, the scene's build up is that Tea is training to the point of absurdity to land a single blow on Nanoha, which isn't the point of her training: it's to learn the basics. However, she's missing this because she's an acknowledged prodigy that just doesn't happen to have specialized "unique skills" like all the top mages do. She sees herself as too normal to be in Riot 6, and thus is trying to push herself beyond her limits to prove that she belongs there. Nanoha, meanwhile, seeing Tea be the model student aside from one mistake at the hotel(which Vita, in classic XO fashion, beats into Tea's head for being a mistake), doesn't see the self-destructive cycle Tea's self-confidence problems are causing. Thus, you have the training incident, where Nanoha's confronted with someone that she thought was her best student ignoring every lesson she's been trying to teach, doing exactly what caused her great personal pain and suffering and nearly killed her, and dragging Subaru into the mix as well. Nanoha is human, and she's disappointed and probably hurt by the way Tea's effectively rejecting everything she's been taught, and she...goes a little overboard, which she admits to Fate later. When she sits down with Tea later to unveil Cross Mirage's blade form, she admits that she didn't see Tea's problems for what they were, leading to the misunderstanding that caused the training incident. It's a wonderful example of neither Tea nor Nanoha being completely in the right or the wrong that was appreciated, given Nanoha's near perfect personality everywhere else. ''[[Anime/StrikerS StrikerS]]'' seems to do this a lot, as well, with showing Nanoha also being capable of an emotional breakdown when Vivio's kidnapped. It rounds her out a bit more, making her more than just Belldandy with a flair for {{BFG}}s.

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** Having watched this particular episode and being a fan of the TV version of the animation(as opposed to the "fixed" DVD versions, go figure), I always saw this scene as an enormous subversion of Nanoha's Messiah tendencies. She's gone through two seasons being more or less always right about anything she decides on, to the point that a friend of mine noted she seems to have a split personality as dictated by the plot: shy and self-effacing out of combat, and judgment and personal strength on par with a person three times her age on demand. Anyway, the scene's build up is that Tea is training to the point of absurdity to land a single blow on Nanoha, which isn't the point of her training: it's to learn the basics. However, she's missing this because she's an acknowledged prodigy that just doesn't happen to have specialized "unique skills" like all the top mages do. She sees herself as too normal to be in Riot 6, and thus is trying to push herself beyond her limits to prove that she belongs there. Nanoha, meanwhile, seeing Tea be the model student aside from one mistake at the hotel(which Vita, in classic XO fashion, beats into Tea's head for being a mistake), doesn't see the self-destructive cycle Tea's self-confidence problems are causing. Thus, you have the training incident, where Nanoha's confronted with someone that she thought was her best student ignoring every lesson she's been trying to teach, doing exactly what caused her great personal pain and suffering and nearly killed her, and dragging Subaru into the mix as well. Nanoha is human, and she's disappointed and probably hurt by the way Tea's effectively rejecting everything she's been taught, and she...goes a little overboard, which she admits to Fate later. When she sits down with Tea later to unveil Cross Mirage's blade form, she admits that she didn't see Tea's problems for what they were, leading to the misunderstanding that caused the training incident. It's a wonderful example of neither Tea nor Nanoha being completely in the right or the wrong that was appreciated, given Nanoha's near perfect personality everywhere else. ''[[Anime/StrikerS ''[[Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaStrikers StrikerS]]'' seems to do this a lot, as well, with showing Nanoha also being capable of an emotional breakdown when Vivio's kidnapped. It rounds her out a bit more, making her more than just Belldandy with a flair for {{BFG}}s.



* Who won the mock battle at the end of ''[[Anime/StrikerS StrikerS]]''? Somehow I can't imagine Nanoha and the others losing.

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* Who won the mock battle at the end of ''[[Anime/StrikerS ''[[Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaStrikers StrikerS]]''? Somehow I can't imagine Nanoha and the others losing.



* Nanoha in general seems pretty unwilling to actually kill people on screen. The generic Bureau clerks that the Wolkenritter dispose of in the beginning of A's are assumed to survive the process, since both Nanoha and Fate have their Linker Cores extracted. This gets even worse in ''[[Anime/StrikerS StrikerS]]'' where the characters comment several times on "magical damage" being akin to a nonlethal weapon. I was really surprised when they showed Lt. General Gaiz dying on screen in a very bloody manner (for the series, anyway). The presence of Gaiz's uncensored death seems to make the nonlethal aspect of most of Nanoha's action scenes much more hollow. Granted, [=StrikerS=] was much more bloody than the previous two seasons, with Gaiz and Vita both getting messily impaled. The TSAB's reluctance to kill people seems to make a twisted kind of sense (apparently, [[{{DefeatMeansFriendship}} "befriending"]] is how they get all their top mages...) But at the same time, the antagonists' reluctance to kill seems oddly inconsistent and misplaced. They go out of their way to kill no one during the siege of the Army HQ and in demolishing Section Six HQ, but later when sacking Einherjar, there's an awful lot of dead people... ''[=StrikerS=]'' in general Just Bugs Me, but this is probably the biggest glaring inconsistency of them all. I still like the season, but damn, the villains are so bizarre.

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* Nanoha in general seems pretty unwilling to actually kill people on screen. The generic Bureau clerks that the Wolkenritter dispose of in the beginning of A's are assumed to survive the process, since both Nanoha and Fate have their Linker Cores extracted. This gets even worse in ''[[Anime/StrikerS ''[[Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaStrikers StrikerS]]'' where the characters comment several times on "magical damage" being akin to a nonlethal weapon. I was really surprised when they showed Lt. General Gaiz dying on screen in a very bloody manner (for the series, anyway). The presence of Gaiz's uncensored death seems to make the nonlethal aspect of most of Nanoha's action scenes much more hollow. Granted, [=StrikerS=] was much more bloody than the previous two seasons, with Gaiz and Vita both getting messily impaled. The TSAB's reluctance to kill people seems to make a twisted kind of sense (apparently, [[{{DefeatMeansFriendship}} "befriending"]] is how they get all their top mages...) But at the same time, the antagonists' reluctance to kill seems oddly inconsistent and misplaced. They go out of their way to kill no one during the siege of the Army HQ and in demolishing Section Six HQ, but later when sacking Einherjar, there's an awful lot of dead people... ''[=StrikerS=]'' in general Just Bugs Me, but this is probably the biggest glaring inconsistency of them all. I still like the season, but damn, the villains are so bizarre.
16th Jun '15 11:14:53 AM nombretomado
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** It's not ''that'' weird. The creators can only write from their own cultural and lingual perspective(s), not to mention the absurdity of assuming by extension that the alien characters would speak a recognisable language ''at all''. You might as well take issue with the hubris displayed by [[Franchise/StarTrek The Federation]] in adopting English as the lingua franca; more people speak Mandarin than they do English. Why does everybody in ''TheForbiddenKingdom'' speak English? Why does everybody in ''Film/ThreeHundred'' speak English? Is there only one language in the [[WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender Avatar 'verse]]? Etc, etc. Consider the reverse situtation then, with dubs of the show: why would everybody who ''wasn't'' Gil be speaking English? Here's an idea: [[MST3KMantra that's just how it goes]].

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** It's not ''that'' weird. The creators can only write from their own cultural and lingual perspective(s), not to mention the absurdity of assuming by extension that the alien characters would speak a recognisable language ''at all''. You might as well take issue with the hubris displayed by [[Franchise/StarTrek The Federation]] in adopting English as the lingua franca; more people speak Mandarin than they do English. Why does everybody in ''TheForbiddenKingdom'' ''Film/TheForbiddenKingdom'' speak English? Why does everybody in ''Film/ThreeHundred'' speak English? Is there only one language in the [[WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender Avatar 'verse]]? Etc, etc. Consider the reverse situtation then, with dubs of the show: why would everybody who ''wasn't'' Gil be speaking English? Here's an idea: [[MST3KMantra that's just how it goes]].
12th Jun '15 8:12:23 AM StFan
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* From [[NanohaTheMovieFirst the first movie]]. Where the F*** does Nanoha and Fate's final battle take place?! Where did that flooded city come from? Did the giant storm that the mass Jewel Seed activation flood Tokyo or some other costal city? Or does the Movie continuity occupy a SharedUniverse with Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion?

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* From [[NanohaTheMovieFirst [[Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaTheMovieFirst the first movie]]. Where the F*** does Nanoha and Fate's final battle take place?! Where did that flooded city come from? Did the giant storm that the mass Jewel Seed activation flood Tokyo or some other costal city? Or does the Movie continuity occupy a SharedUniverse with Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion?
11th Jun '15 4:52:25 PM nombretomado
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* Am I the only one who saw Touma's attack in Force and thought [[GaoGaiGar Dividing Driver]]?
** Probably, unless DD got convertedt into a {{Wave Motion Gun}} at some point in the series (this troper is only about 15 episodes in so far).
** In that case, Bolting Driver would be more accurate then, since it does similar things in GaoGaiGarFinal.

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* Am I the only one who saw Touma's attack in Force and thought [[GaoGaiGar [[Anime/GaoGaiGar Dividing Driver]]?
** Probably, unless DD got convertedt converted into a {{Wave Motion Gun}} at some point in the series (this troper is only about 15 episodes in so far).
** In that case, Bolting Driver would be more accurate then, since it does similar things in GaoGaiGarFinal.''Anime/GaoGaiGar Final''.
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