History Headscratchers / Lost

13th Jun '16 4:38:53 AM Burgerkrieg
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[[folder: How did Tom recruit Michael?]]
So Michael left the island at the end of Season 2, which is when the Swan implodes and Ben starts blocking all communications (blaming said implosion). Michael is recruited as a spy on The Freighter by Tom, weeks or even months after returning to New York. Tom is killed by Sawyer at the end of Season 3, so it must have happened at some point during the season, the problem being that a) nobody could return to (or leave, after Locke blows up the sub) the island at the time and b) Tom appears frequently throughout the season. Even ignoring that, he seems pretty pissed at Ben when he finds out he's been lying about not being able to communicate with the mainland, and even presuming he was in on it all along, the Others would probably notice if their boss's right hand man was suddenly gone for a week or two. So yeah, essentially, it's completely impossible for Tom to be off the island to recruit Michael.
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13th Jun '16 2:12:54 AM Burgerkrieg
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* Having just re-watched that episode, I think a "controlling share" doesn't necessarily need to be over 50%. I might be wrong about this, but I think as soon as you have about 10-15% of a company's stocks you're a pretty significant part of it because you can block certain decisions or join forces with other significant shareholders.
15th May '16 8:50:12 AM morenohijazo
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*** Not so. Ben only began jamming transmissions of the Island following the implosion of the Swan. The tower's transmissions are also hearable from off the Island. Sam Toomey and Leonard Sims both heard the numbers broadcast from off he Island. So did Rousseau's team before they crashed. What's truly baffling is that DHARMA didn't turn it off. They were still around for 4 years before the Purge, and i was their equipment.[[/folder]]

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*** Not so. Ben only began jamming transmissions of the Island following the implosion of the Swan. The tower's transmissions are also hearable from off the Island. Sam Toomey and Leonard Sims both heard the numbers broadcast from off he Island. So did Rousseau's team before they crashed. What's truly baffling is that DHARMA didn't turn it off. They were still around for 4 years before the Purge, and i it was their equipment.equipment.
*** The Purge's date is [[http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Purge/Theories#Date_of_the_Purge quite inconsistent across the show]], but one likely date places it a few months before Rousseau's arrival. So one explaination is that DHARMA was no longer there to turn it off.
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** The Purge's date [[http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Purge/Theories#Date_of_the_Purge is quite inconsistent across the show]]. One possible date places it before Rousseau's arrival.



*** Polar bears went back to bear village, the only real focus on these experiments was in the web-games which was just for more detail, not relating to the main plot. Smokey did to Rousseau's party the same thing he did to Sayid, to try and get more pawns to kill Jacob with. Annie died in the purge or got sent off the Island. Either way, she's been out of Ben's life long enough for him to move on.

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*** Polar bears went back to bear village, the only real focus on these experiments was in the web-games which was just for more detail, not relating to the main plot. Smokey did to Rousseau's party the same thing he did to Sayid, to try and get more pawns to kill Jacob with. Annie died in the purge or got sent off the Island.Island (likely the latter, along with young Charlotte and Miles). Either way, she's been out of Ben's life long enough for him to move on.


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** Definitely Jacob. He was reminding MiB that he still had to follow the rules, even if Jacob was dead.
4th Feb '16 9:44:31 AM Gades22
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*** I think he planned on his "Henry Gale" story panning out. He didn't plan on Sayid digging up the real Henry's corpse. Using Michael as his escape was probably plan B. He may have told the other Others, "If I'm not back in x days, send Michael to rescue me with the promise we'll release his son if he does." The crossbow was an unaccounted-for misstep, but he knew they had a doctor (Jack) who wouldn't let him die even if he WAS an Other.

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*** **** I think he planned on his "Henry Gale" story panning out. He didn't plan on Sayid digging up the real Henry's corpse. Using Michael as his escape was probably plan B. He may have told the other Others, "If I'm not back in x days, send Michael to rescue me with the promise we'll release his son if he does." The crossbow was an unaccounted-for misstep, but he knew they had a doctor (Jack) who wouldn't let him die even if he WAS an Other.
4th Feb '16 9:43:57 AM Gades22
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*** I think he planned on his "Henry Gale" story panning out. He didn't plan on Sayid digging up the real Henry's corpse. Using Michael as his escape was probably plan B. He may have told the other Others, "If I'm not back in x days, send Michael to rescue me with the promise we'll release his son if he does." The crossbow was an unaccounted-for misstep, but he knew they had a doctor (Jack) who wouldn't let him die even if he WAS an Other.
23rd Jan '16 9:39:49 AM nombretomado
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****** The essence of the afterlife is that the characters are starting over, but THIS TIME carrying the knowledge they gained from their past life with them (similar to [[spoiler: the ending of the StephenKing series ''Franchise/TheDarkTower'', though in that case Roland hasn't yet gained the knowledge and is doomed to keep cycling for a while]]), i.e. Sawyer is a cop because of the three years he spent working security for the DHARMA Initiative . And dharma is a major clue to understanding the finale. One of the goals of Buddhist enlightenment is to remember the knowledge from your past incarnations, which frees you from the repeated cycle of rebirth. And it also has an analogue in Platonic philosophy, Anamnesis or the loss of forgetfulness, where knowledge is described as coming from '''the source''', a divine realm beyond the world that our consciousness returns to when we die. Science fiction writer Creator/PhilipKDick once had an experience of what he believed was anamnesis while under the influence of psychotropic drugs, and this experience later served as the basis of VALIS, the book Locke hands to Ben in season 4.

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****** The essence of the afterlife is that the characters are starting over, but THIS TIME carrying the knowledge they gained from their past life with them (similar to [[spoiler: the ending of the StephenKing Creator/StephenKing series ''Franchise/TheDarkTower'', though in that case Roland hasn't yet gained the knowledge and is doomed to keep cycling for a while]]), i.e. Sawyer is a cop because of the three years he spent working security for the DHARMA Initiative . And dharma is a major clue to understanding the finale. One of the goals of Buddhist enlightenment is to remember the knowledge from your past incarnations, which frees you from the repeated cycle of rebirth. And it also has an analogue in Platonic philosophy, Anamnesis or the loss of forgetfulness, where knowledge is described as coming from '''the source''', a divine realm beyond the world that our consciousness returns to when we die. Science fiction writer Creator/PhilipKDick once had an experience of what he believed was anamnesis while under the influence of psychotropic drugs, and this experience later served as the basis of VALIS, the book Locke hands to Ben in season 4.
24th Oct '15 7:36:34 AM MisterNobody
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** ASeeing at the base was clearly air-tight (seeing as there was a big open pool in the floor) the room shouldn't have flooded. No, seriously, it would be [[YouFailPhysicsForever physically impossible]]. The room, being airtight, would only fill up to the top of the porthole. The air in the room must exit for the water to enter, once the porthole was sealed, the water wouldn't fill in anymore. Charlie could calmly take a deep breath and swim out.

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** ASeeing at Seeing as the base was clearly air-tight (seeing as there was a big open pool in the floor) the room shouldn't have flooded. No, seriously, it would be [[YouFailPhysicsForever physically impossible]]. The room, being airtight, would only fill up to the top of the porthole. The air in the room must exit for the water to enter, once the porthole was sealed, the water wouldn't fill in anymore. Charlie could calmly take a deep breath and swim out.


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** I just rewatched that episode (in fact, I'm in the process of rewatching it now) and the same thing about having time to escape occurred to me. As far as I can see it, the only reason Charlie died was because the producers wanted him to die because of RuleOfDrama. If Charlie had lived, he would be happy, Claire and Aaron would be happy, and happy characters make for bad drama.
24th Oct '15 6:41:39 AM MisterNobody
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** Either he lied, or his visits off-island were really long trips, because he was off the island when the crash happened, too. Remember that he was the one who showed Ben and Juliet that video with Juliet's sister playing in the park with her kid, three years after Juliet arrived on the island? It's possible that he was still off the island after visiting Locke that last time (when Locke's back was broken) when he recruited Juliet. Dude is immortal, after all.
24th Oct '15 6:32:31 AM MisterNobody
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** Paulo was bitten on the neck, and Nikki was bitten on the ankle. The ankle bite gave Nikki enough time to run off, bury the diamonds, and then head to the beach before she passed out. Maybe all that physical activity sped her metabolism up enough to process the poison out of her system faster?
13th Oct '15 1:38:27 AM rtozier
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**** This troper always took the "Kwon" reference as meaning the exact opposite - only one of ''either'' Sun or Jin -- the implication being that neither could be island protector if their lives were completed by being with each other. Hence, if they were up for consideration as candidates, only one of them could be candidate, which is why only one "Kwon" name was necessary.
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