History Headscratchers / Lost

21st Jul '17 12:19:18 PM Malady
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** As for the initial point about why Smokey didn't just get anyone to try and stab Jacob, ''he did just that with Richard.'' He manipulated him in his dispair to thinking that killing Jacob was the only way he could save his wife from hell and sent him off to kill the man. And Jacob promptly beat the hell out of him. He probably can be killed by mortal means, and he knows he can be killed by mortal means, so he takes great care to avoid putting himself into situations where he could be killed so easily, on account of spending most of his time either hiding out in a statue few people even realise there's a secret chamber for, or away from the island where the Man in Black holds no influence over. As for the initial tropers idea this was all one massive XantosGambit, I doubt Man in Black actually planned most of it out. He was just taking advantage of situations as they came along like he did with Richard. His plan seems to consistant of "Convince Locke he needs to kill himself, then take his form and use that to get the Other's loyalty so I can bring Ben in with me to kill Jacob." Not that particularly complicated, just taking advantage of the way the wind was already blowing.

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** As for the initial point about why Smokey didn't just get anyone to try and stab Jacob, ''he did just that with Richard.'' He manipulated him in his dispair to thinking that killing Jacob was the only way he could save his wife from hell and sent him off to kill the man. And Jacob promptly beat the hell out of him. He probably can be killed by mortal means, and he knows he can be killed by mortal means, so he takes great care to avoid putting himself into situations where he could be killed so easily, on account of spending most of his time either hiding out in a statue few people even realise there's a secret chamber for, or away from the island where the Man in Black holds no influence over. As for the initial tropers idea this was all one massive XantosGambit, XanatosGambit, I doubt Man in Black actually planned most of it out. He was just taking advantage of situations as they came along like he did with Richard. His plan seems to consistant of "Convince Locke he needs to kill himself, then take his form and use that to get the Other's loyalty so I can bring Ben in with me to kill Jacob." Not that particularly complicated, just taking advantage of the way the wind was already blowing.
18th Jun '17 3:26:08 PM darthpaul
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*** Most ocean-crossing sailboats have motors as well as sails, for emergencies... I'd just assumed the engine was running.
16th May '17 4:37:37 PM nombretomado
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** [[TwinPeaks "How's Annie...? ]] [[WildMassGuessing *giggle*]] [[NightmareFuel HOW'S ANNIE?"]]

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** [[TwinPeaks [[Series/TwinPeaks "How's Annie...? ]] [[WildMassGuessing *giggle*]] [[NightmareFuel HOW'S ANNIE?"]]
11th May '17 2:42:40 PM Entrex-Brocti
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*** RuleOfSexy, obviously. Besides that, not everyone is hairy. My mom hasn't shaved a day in her life, but no hair on her arms or legs.
8th Oct '16 9:16:14 AM WarriorsGate
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* It's not impossible. It happened in the week or so between "Stranger in a Strange Land" and "The Man From Tallahassee". We know the faked wreck of Oceanic 815 was created by Widmore in response to the electromagnetic event at the end of season two, and we know Anthony Cooper heard about it before he was kidnapped, so clearly somebody had to be off-Island to kidnap Cooper during the timeframe of season three. The show probably would've tied everything together if the last thing Tom had said to Michael was, "If you'll excuse me, I have to go see a man in Tallahassee", but even so, the timeline fits.
31st Aug '16 4:43:08 PM nombretomado
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** As for Walt ... argh. Best [[WildMassGuessing wild guess]] I got for an in-universe explanation is that Walt is special in that unlike every other character, the Island cannot affect him supernaturally, just as Jacob and MIB couldn't kill one another -- kind of like Sparkhawk in TheElenium, the Island has no power over him. His presence on Ajira 316 was optional just as Desmond's presence on the Island was technically optional; he's not bound to the Island's existence in the way the candidates are.

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** As for Walt ... argh. Best [[WildMassGuessing wild guess]] I got for an in-universe explanation is that Walt is special in that unlike every other character, the Island cannot affect him supernaturally, just as Jacob and MIB couldn't kill one another -- kind of like Sparkhawk in TheElenium, ''Literature/TheElenium'', the Island has no power over him. His presence on Ajira 316 was optional just as Desmond's presence on the Island was technically optional; he's not bound to the Island's existence in the way the candidates are.
13th Jun '16 4:38:53 AM Burgerkrieg
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[[folder: How did Tom recruit Michael?]]
So Michael left the island at the end of Season 2, which is when the Swan implodes and Ben starts blocking all communications (blaming said implosion). Michael is recruited as a spy on The Freighter by Tom, weeks or even months after returning to New York. Tom is killed by Sawyer at the end of Season 3, so it must have happened at some point during the season, the problem being that a) nobody could return to (or leave, after Locke blows up the sub) the island at the time and b) Tom appears frequently throughout the season. Even ignoring that, he seems pretty pissed at Ben when he finds out he's been lying about not being able to communicate with the mainland, and even presuming he was in on it all along, the Others would probably notice if their boss's right hand man was suddenly gone for a week or two. So yeah, essentially, it's completely impossible for Tom to be off the island to recruit Michael.
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13th Jun '16 2:12:54 AM Burgerkrieg
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* Having just re-watched that episode, I think a "controlling share" doesn't necessarily need to be over 50%. I might be wrong about this, but I think as soon as you have about 10-15% of a company's stocks you're a pretty significant part of it because you can block certain decisions or join forces with other significant shareholders.
15th May '16 8:50:12 AM morenohijazo
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*** Not so. Ben only began jamming transmissions of the Island following the implosion of the Swan. The tower's transmissions are also hearable from off the Island. Sam Toomey and Leonard Sims both heard the numbers broadcast from off he Island. So did Rousseau's team before they crashed. What's truly baffling is that DHARMA didn't turn it off. They were still around for 4 years before the Purge, and i was their equipment.[[/folder]]

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*** Not so. Ben only began jamming transmissions of the Island following the implosion of the Swan. The tower's transmissions are also hearable from off the Island. Sam Toomey and Leonard Sims both heard the numbers broadcast from off he Island. So did Rousseau's team before they crashed. What's truly baffling is that DHARMA didn't turn it off. They were still around for 4 years before the Purge, and i it was their equipment.equipment.
*** The Purge's date is [[http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Purge/Theories#Date_of_the_Purge quite inconsistent across the show]], but one likely date places it a few months before Rousseau's arrival. So one explaination is that DHARMA was no longer there to turn it off.
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** The Purge's date [[http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Purge/Theories#Date_of_the_Purge is quite inconsistent across the show]]. One possible date places it before Rousseau's arrival.



*** Polar bears went back to bear village, the only real focus on these experiments was in the web-games which was just for more detail, not relating to the main plot. Smokey did to Rousseau's party the same thing he did to Sayid, to try and get more pawns to kill Jacob with. Annie died in the purge or got sent off the Island. Either way, she's been out of Ben's life long enough for him to move on.

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*** Polar bears went back to bear village, the only real focus on these experiments was in the web-games which was just for more detail, not relating to the main plot. Smokey did to Rousseau's party the same thing he did to Sayid, to try and get more pawns to kill Jacob with. Annie died in the purge or got sent off the Island.Island (likely the latter, along with young Charlotte and Miles). Either way, she's been out of Ben's life long enough for him to move on.


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** Definitely Jacob. He was reminding MiB that he still had to follow the rules, even if Jacob was dead.
4th Feb '16 9:44:31 AM Gades22
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*** I think he planned on his "Henry Gale" story panning out. He didn't plan on Sayid digging up the real Henry's corpse. Using Michael as his escape was probably plan B. He may have told the other Others, "If I'm not back in x days, send Michael to rescue me with the promise we'll release his son if he does." The crossbow was an unaccounted-for misstep, but he knew they had a doctor (Jack) who wouldn't let him die even if he WAS an Other.

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*** **** I think he planned on his "Henry Gale" story panning out. He didn't plan on Sayid digging up the real Henry's corpse. Using Michael as his escape was probably plan B. He may have told the other Others, "If I'm not back in x days, send Michael to rescue me with the promise we'll release his son if he does." The crossbow was an unaccounted-for misstep, but he knew they had a doctor (Jack) who wouldn't let him die even if he WAS an Other.
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