History Headscratchers / Lost

4th Feb '16 9:44:31 AM Gades22
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*** I think he planned on his "Henry Gale" story panning out. He didn't plan on Sayid digging up the real Henry's corpse. Using Michael as his escape was probably plan B. He may have told the other Others, "If I'm not back in x days, send Michael to rescue me with the promise we'll release his son if he does." The crossbow was an unaccounted-for misstep, but he knew they had a doctor (Jack) who wouldn't let him die even if he WAS an Other.

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*** **** I think he planned on his "Henry Gale" story panning out. He didn't plan on Sayid digging up the real Henry's corpse. Using Michael as his escape was probably plan B. He may have told the other Others, "If I'm not back in x days, send Michael to rescue me with the promise we'll release his son if he does." The crossbow was an unaccounted-for misstep, but he knew they had a doctor (Jack) who wouldn't let him die even if he WAS an Other.
4th Feb '16 9:43:57 AM Gades22
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*** I think he planned on his "Henry Gale" story panning out. He didn't plan on Sayid digging up the real Henry's corpse. Using Michael as his escape was probably plan B. He may have told the other Others, "If I'm not back in x days, send Michael to rescue me with the promise we'll release his son if he does." The crossbow was an unaccounted-for misstep, but he knew they had a doctor (Jack) who wouldn't let him die even if he WAS an Other.
23rd Jan '16 9:39:49 AM nombretomado
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****** The essence of the afterlife is that the characters are starting over, but THIS TIME carrying the knowledge they gained from their past life with them (similar to [[spoiler: the ending of the StephenKing series ''Franchise/TheDarkTower'', though in that case Roland hasn't yet gained the knowledge and is doomed to keep cycling for a while]]), i.e. Sawyer is a cop because of the three years he spent working security for the DHARMA Initiative . And dharma is a major clue to understanding the finale. One of the goals of Buddhist enlightenment is to remember the knowledge from your past incarnations, which frees you from the repeated cycle of rebirth. And it also has an analogue in Platonic philosophy, Anamnesis or the loss of forgetfulness, where knowledge is described as coming from '''the source''', a divine realm beyond the world that our consciousness returns to when we die. Science fiction writer Creator/PhilipKDick once had an experience of what he believed was anamnesis while under the influence of psychotropic drugs, and this experience later served as the basis of VALIS, the book Locke hands to Ben in season 4.

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****** The essence of the afterlife is that the characters are starting over, but THIS TIME carrying the knowledge they gained from their past life with them (similar to [[spoiler: the ending of the StephenKing Creator/StephenKing series ''Franchise/TheDarkTower'', though in that case Roland hasn't yet gained the knowledge and is doomed to keep cycling for a while]]), i.e. Sawyer is a cop because of the three years he spent working security for the DHARMA Initiative . And dharma is a major clue to understanding the finale. One of the goals of Buddhist enlightenment is to remember the knowledge from your past incarnations, which frees you from the repeated cycle of rebirth. And it also has an analogue in Platonic philosophy, Anamnesis or the loss of forgetfulness, where knowledge is described as coming from '''the source''', a divine realm beyond the world that our consciousness returns to when we die. Science fiction writer Creator/PhilipKDick once had an experience of what he believed was anamnesis while under the influence of psychotropic drugs, and this experience later served as the basis of VALIS, the book Locke hands to Ben in season 4.
24th Oct '15 7:36:34 AM MisterNobody
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** ASeeing at the base was clearly air-tight (seeing as there was a big open pool in the floor) the room shouldn't have flooded. No, seriously, it would be [[YouFailPhysicsForever physically impossible]]. The room, being airtight, would only fill up to the top of the porthole. The air in the room must exit for the water to enter, once the porthole was sealed, the water wouldn't fill in anymore. Charlie could calmly take a deep breath and swim out.

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** ASeeing at Seeing as the base was clearly air-tight (seeing as there was a big open pool in the floor) the room shouldn't have flooded. No, seriously, it would be [[YouFailPhysicsForever physically impossible]]. The room, being airtight, would only fill up to the top of the porthole. The air in the room must exit for the water to enter, once the porthole was sealed, the water wouldn't fill in anymore. Charlie could calmly take a deep breath and swim out.


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** I just rewatched that episode (in fact, I'm in the process of rewatching it now) and the same thing about having time to escape occurred to me. As far as I can see it, the only reason Charlie died was because the producers wanted him to die because of RuleOfDrama. If Charlie had lived, he would be happy, Claire and Aaron would be happy, and happy characters make for bad drama.
24th Oct '15 6:41:39 AM MisterNobody
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** Either he lied, or his visits off-island were really long trips, because he was off the island when the crash happened, too. Remember that he was the one who showed Ben and Juliet that video with Juliet's sister playing in the park with her kid, three years after Juliet arrived on the island? It's possible that he was still off the island after visiting Locke that last time (when Locke's back was broken) when he recruited Juliet. Dude is immortal, after all.
24th Oct '15 6:32:31 AM MisterNobody
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** Paulo was bitten on the neck, and Nikki was bitten on the ankle. The ankle bite gave Nikki enough time to run off, bury the diamonds, and then head to the beach before she passed out. Maybe all that physical activity sped her metabolism up enough to process the poison out of her system faster?
13th Oct '15 1:38:27 AM rtozier
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**** This troper always took the "Kwon" reference as meaning the exact opposite - only one of ''either'' Sun or Jin -- the implication being that neither could be island protector if their lives were completed by being with each other. Hence, if they were up for consideration as candidates, only one of them could be candidate, which is why only one "Kwon" name was necessary.
13th Sep '15 3:11:57 PM WarriorsGate
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** It's an example of synchronicity, to imply the hand of destiny in the events that are going on. Whether it's a real horse (other episodes show them on the Island) or an apparition is kind of beside the point.



** Everyone knows he's a con man. They would treat any gestures of goodwill on his part as deceit. His problem was making people think he was being genuine and honest.



Why was the food drop to the Swan still going on? How was it sent to the Island without the Purge interrupting anything, like supply lines/delivery or pay flow? If the Others provided the necessary upkeep to send mysterious food drops to Radzinsky, Kelvin, and (possibly unknowingly) Desmond and the Losties, why bother?

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* Why was the food drop to the Swan still going on? How was it sent to the Island without the Purge interrupting anything, like supply lines/delivery or pay flow? If the Others provided the necessary upkeep to send mysterious food drops to Radzinsky, Kelvin, and (possibly unknowingly) Desmond and the Losties, why bother?bother?
** The DHARMA techs say it's coming from the Lamppost, implying Eloise is continuing to guide Desmond's future. Also, since the Hatch is critical to Jacob's design, he would have a vested interest in making sure it continued to receive them.
13th Sep '15 2:50:43 PM WarriorsGate
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** Keep in mind the term you are using is "bubble" which suggests a sphere, not a cube. The island is at the center of the bubble. The bubble extends to the surrounding air and water with a curve, not a right angle. As altitude increases, the radius of the bubble decreases. So Jin just makes it inside of the bubble/curve, but the helicopter above him is outside of the curve.[[/folder]]

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** Keep in mind the term you are using is "bubble" which suggests a sphere, not a cube. The island is at the center of the bubble. The bubble extends to the surrounding air and water with a curve, not a right angle. As altitude increases, the radius of the bubble decreases. So Jin just makes it inside of the bubble/curve, but the helicopter above him is outside of the curve.curve.
** The whole series was a game being played by Jacob and his brother, with highly nebulous "rules" that are only understandable if you have godlike perception. If Jin was a Candidate, then he might not have been able to be killed in those circumstances. After all, Michael couldn't be killed by Keamy or commit suicide until the apparition of Christian Shepherd told him, "You can go now."
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** Locke speculates Ben got caught on purpose so he could find the hatch. Ben says nothing to this (as is his way), but the fact that the writers brought it up means it's a possibility.


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** God works in mysterious ways. He kills your kids and your flock, and then when you ask "Why?" he gets all pissy and says, "Where were you when I laid the foundations of the Earth? Declare, if you have understanding." Jacob and the MiB always had a lot of "God vs. The Adversary" symbolism going for them, since they was introduced in "The Incident".
29th Jun '15 5:21:23 PM MeridenCrow
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** Also, the same is true for Juliet, who is also a doctor and yet shoots like a sniper (and is also quite competent with judo). Possibly she was trained by the Others, although this troper does not recall any scene in which such training is even implied - her transition from the mousy, meek researcher of "Not in Portland" to her confident, badass persona of the island was never explained.
*** Juliet was with the Others for several years. She can speak Latin like an Other, sneak around the jungle like an Other, and shoot like an Other. That certainly implies training in the useful skills of an Other, no?
**** Which also JustBugsMe. Somewhere along the line, just about every member of the Others, no matter how weedy or ineffectual, managed to get a CharlesAtlasSuperpower and become a ninja. It ''does'' work while you're watching the show, but in between seasons, FridgeLogic kicks in.
**** I always figured that the Others simply had the home field advantage and therefore knew how to sneak around more effectively than even the most experienced of the Losties.
** Not to mention the fact that the desperate Juliet seen in '' "A tale of two cities" '' seemed in a completely different emotional place than the merry lover who was sleeping with Goodwin in '' "The Other Woman" '' .
*** Explained in ''"One of Us."'' She'd been a merry lover for some time. Then the day before the crash, she learned that Ben had cancer, which meant he had no method of curing cancer. So she realized he'd presumably lied about curing her sister's cancer, her sister was probably dead, Juliet had missed her death, she had given up the last three years of her life for nothing and was now imprisoned on the island by liars.
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** Also, the same is true for **This could also be applied to Juliet, who is also a doctor and yet shoots like a sniper (and is also quite competent with judo). Possibly she was trained by the Others, although this troper does not recall any scene in which such training is even implied - her transition from the mousy, meek researcher of "Not in Portland" a doctor, evidently has martial arts skills and knows how to her confident, badass persona of the island was never explained.
*** Juliet was
shoot. Given that she has lived with the Others for several years. She can speak Latin like an Other, sneak around the jungle like an Other, and shoot like an Other. That certainly implies training in the useful skills of an Other, no?
**** Which also JustBugsMe. Somewhere along the line, just about every member of the Others, no matter how weedy or ineffectual, managed to get a CharlesAtlasSuperpower and become a ninja. It ''does'' work while you're watching the show, but in between seasons, FridgeLogic kicks in.
**** I always figured that the Others simply had the home field advantage and therefore knew how to sneak around more effectively than even the most experienced of the Losties.
** Not to mention the fact that the desperate Juliet seen in '' "A tale of two cities" '' seemed in a completely different emotional place than the merry lover who was sleeping with Goodwin in '' "The Other Woman" '' .
*** Explained in ''"One of Us."'' She'd been a merry lover for some time. Then the day before the crash, she learned that Ben had cancer, which meant he had no method of curing cancer. So she realized he'd presumably lied about curing her sister's cancer, her sister was probably dead, Juliet had missed her death, she had given up the last
three years of her life for nothing and was now imprisoned on many other people display unusual skills, and given their vast network of projects going on, it can be assumed that all of the island people recruited by liars.
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the Others receive this kind of training, or at least those in Ben's inner circle (people working at DHARMA stations and leaving out members like children and Annabelle and Cindy).
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