History Headscratchers / Looper

25th Jul '16 10:32:01 AM fearlessnikki
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** Or she just heard about it during her time in the city.


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** Because Joe has seen what he will become in the future - someone willing to murder innocent children just to secure his own happiness. From his POV, he feels the world is better off without him. He was banking on getting out of the Looper business and starting a new life - but he's just got confirmation that doesn't happen. So rather than facing a miserable future, he decides to kill himself and at least secure a future for Sara and Cid.


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** And it should be noted that it's not illegal to willingly go missing - as long as there's no evidence of fraud or foul play. So if someone disappears and there's no trace of a body, it can be assumed that they've just willingly decided to go missing.


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** As to why he offers it to the hooker - it's clear he's feeling guilty about handing Seth over. This is clearly spelled out in the scene where he looks through his stash of silver and finds some of Seth's blood on it. This serves to foreshadow that he does have a sense of decency, and offering the hooker some of the silver is an attempt to atone for what he's done. Giving up the silver he fucked Seth over for seems like a fair punishment for his crime.


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** The only reason Young!Joe knew to go to Sara's farm was because Old!Joe's map tore with the necessary on it. He doesn't know where the other children are. And he also thought that he could still make things right with Abe by killing his future self. So he knows Old!Joe will come to Sara's eventually, and hopes to catch him.


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** It's said that the Rainmaker saw his own mother get killed by a Looper and thus started his crusade against them. He's said to be a OneManArmy, and once Joe sees that he's got really strong telekinetic powers that's all but confirmed.
22nd Apr '16 6:39:47 PM fearlessnikki
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** Film Noir usually involves an AntiHero protagonist or else someone who slowly gets dragged down into the criminal underworld in some way. Endings are bittersweet at best and there's usually a point of no return for the protagonist.
6th Feb '16 6:46:30 AM pittsburghmuggle
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'''BE WARY OF SPOILERS BEYOND THIS POINT.''' '''''THIS IS YOUR ONLY WARNING.'''''
30th Dec '15 1:33:08 PM dmcreif
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** It's implied that there's only one (or a very limited number) time machine and it's controlled by the bad guys. If the legitimate authorities ever got the time machine, they would destroy it. Then they would jail or kill (or something) all of the people involved in the extremely illegal activity. Using it themselves would be counterproductive and reckless. Besides, it's one way time travel and the world from thirty years ago sucked- who'd be willing to go back?

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** It's implied that there's only one (or a very limited number) number of) time machine machine(s) and it's controlled by the bad guys. If the legitimate authorities ever got the time machine, they would destroy it. Then they would jail or kill (or something) all of the people involved in the extremely illegal activity. Using it themselves would be counterproductive and reckless. Besides, it's one way time travel and the world from thirty years ago sucked- who'd be willing to go back?




* How is this considered a Sci-Fi Noir? There's barley any Noir elements in the film and the narration ends after the first little while.

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* How is this considered a Sci-Fi Noir? There's barley barely any Noir elements in the film and the narration ends after the first little while.



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* Is Cid really [[spoiler: the Rainmaker]]? I mean, the guy who gave Future!Joe the code might have been wrong. You can't take any information for granted. And as for [[spoiler: Future!Joe's disappearance after Present!Joe kills himself]], isn't it fundamentally because his past self is [[spoiler: dead rather than having anything to do the Rainmaker's (non-)existence]]? After all, [[MindScrew the story]] [[UpToEleven would've been more complicated]] had the [[spoiler: Rainmaker been Cid. If s/he really is Cid, then [[TimeCrash Future!Loopers wouldn't have been sent back, Present!Joe wouldn't have met Future!Joe, and all this wouldn't have happened]]. Then Cid wouldn't have met both Joes and probably lived as normally as possible, resulting in him not becoming evil,]] which would make Future!Joe's return to the present timeline improbable.

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I mean, the guy who gave Future!Joe the code might have been wrong. You can't take any information for granted. And as for [[spoiler: Future!Joe's disappearance after Present!Joe kills himself]], isn't it fundamentally because his past self is [[spoiler: dead rather than having anything to do the Rainmaker's (non-)existence]]? After all, [[MindScrew the story]] [[UpToEleven would've been more complicated]] had the [[spoiler: Rainmaker been Cid. If s/he really is Cid, then [[TimeCrash Future!Loopers wouldn't have been sent back, Present!Joe wouldn't have met Future!Joe, and all this wouldn't have happened]]. Then Cid wouldn't have met both Joes and probably lived as normally as possible, resulting in him not becoming evil,]] which would make Future!Joe's return to the present timeline improbable.



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** I understand the need to kill the loopers, but why have them kill themselves, and why tell them about it? You could just send them to any old looper, like the rest of the victims. Less incentive to go rogue that way. You could even still have a gold payout attached to a looper be their last hit, just have it be a ''different looper'' than the one you're sending them to.

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** I understand the need to kill the loopers, but why have them kill themselves, and why tell them about it? You could just send them to any old looper, like the rest of the victims. Less incentive to go rogue that way. You could even still have a gold payout attached to a looper be their last hit, just have it be a ''different looper'' than the one you're sending them to.to.
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18th Sep '15 7:13:59 AM Chaos624
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** I think I may have figured this one out. I've spent the past hour thinking about it, so I hope so..... If Young!Joe kills himself, he negates everything that Old!Joe might do, meaning that the Rainmaker never comes into existence. If the Rainmaker never comes into existence, then Old!Joe wouldn't have been sent back and thus, Young!Joe would have just carried on with his life being a Looper. He would have grown old, gotten married, and died normally (maybe). Cid's mother also wouldn't be killed by Old!Joe because Old!Joe wouldn't be sent back, so he never grows up evil, and the lives of Cid and the Loopers are completely separate. Am I missing something?

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** I think I may have figured this one out. I've spent the past hour thinking about it, so I hope so..... [[spoiler: If Young!Joe kills himself, he negates everything that Old!Joe might do, meaning that the Rainmaker never comes into existence. If the Rainmaker never comes into existence, then Old!Joe wouldn't have been sent back and thus, Young!Joe would have just carried on with his life being a Looper. He would have grown old, gotten married, and died normally (maybe). Cid's mother also wouldn't be killed by Old!Joe because Old!Joe wouldn't be sent back, so he never grows up evil, and the lives of Cid and the Loopers are completely separate. ]] Am I missing something?


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** One way to interpret it is that we are seeing the formation of a StableTimeLoop. Most likely the Rainmaker came to be through similar events happening elsewhere, but the actions of Old!Joe force it into a new configuration that would continue as a loop into all possible futures if Young!Joe didn't put a stop to it. Similar to Film/TheTerminator, John Conner probably had a different father before the [[StableTimeLoop Skynet kicked things off]].
2nd Feb '15 8:11:14 PM DoctorDetective
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*** Think about it both ways. Instead of it being a 30 year retirement after you close your loop, your loop gets closed because in 30 years time, you did something to piss off the Syndicate. Remember, Young Joe notices a sharp increase in Closed Loops, because 30 years in the future the Rainmaker has taken over and is rounding all the Loopers up to be killed. A lot of Loopers may not even get 30 years, but the Syndicate lies to make their 'retirement' sound like a fair deal. Particularly good Loopers like Joe might only get their fair 30 years because the Syndicate never has a reason to murder them, but a percieved paradox demands they must be sent back regardless.

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*** Think about it both ways. Instead of it being a 30 year retirement after you close your loop, your loop gets closed because in 30 years time, you did something to piss off the Syndicate. Remember, Young Joe notices a sharp increase in Closed Loops, because 30 years in the future the Rainmaker has taken over and is rounding all the Loopers up to be killed. A lot of Loopers may not even get 30 years, but the Syndicate lies to make their 'retirement' sound like a fair deal. Particularly good Loopers like Joe might only get their fair 30 years because the Syndicate never has a reason to murder them, but a percieved paradox demands they must be sent back regardless.regardless.
** I understand the need to kill the loopers, but why have them kill themselves, and why tell them about it? You could just send them to any old looper, like the rest of the victims. Less incentive to go rogue that way. You could even still have a gold payout attached to a looper be their last hit, just have it be a ''different looper'' than the one you're sending them to.
31st Aug '14 7:01:34 PM comkiller
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** Someone in fridge proposed this: Older!Joe becomes a looper and one day kills his future self, collects his gold, and goes to FRANCE like he intended, creating a stable time loop. Then Seth botches the closing of his own loop, and so the scene where Abe has Joe in his office and convinces him to go to China instead happens. Old!Joe kills Older!Joe and goes to China, meets his wife, and finds a reason to fight. Old!Joe struggles and goes back in time, knocking out Young!Joe and starting the real plot of the movie.
4th Jul '14 12:00:32 PM Gunslinger
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** Could be seen as cleaning up loose ends. Could be vengeance. Could just be that they decided it was the best way to accomplish both their money/precious metal laundering goals and run their murder operations... cleaning up old murderers means it's less likely the guy's ever caught by the cops and traced to them.

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** Could be seen as cleaning up loose ends. Could be vengeance. Could just be that they decided it was the best way to accomplish both their money/precious metal laundering goals and run their murder operations... cleaning up old murderers means it's less likely the guy's ever caught by the cops and traced to them.them.
*** Think about it both ways. Instead of it being a 30 year retirement after you close your loop, your loop gets closed because in 30 years time, you did something to piss off the Syndicate. Remember, Young Joe notices a sharp increase in Closed Loops, because 30 years in the future the Rainmaker has taken over and is rounding all the Loopers up to be killed. A lot of Loopers may not even get 30 years, but the Syndicate lies to make their 'retirement' sound like a fair deal. Particularly good Loopers like Joe might only get their fair 30 years because the Syndicate never has a reason to murder them, but a percieved paradox demands they must be sent back regardless.
4th Jul '14 11:35:02 AM Gunslinger
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*** The movie pretty much confirms this since Old Joe arrives 'late' as a result of his struggle with the Syndicate goons in the future. Getting into some slightly harder sci-fi but time travel is ''theoretically'' possibly by manipulating space-time with gravitational forces. A time machine that manipulates space-time by a precise, set amount each time (30 years time and to a specific location) would be less complex than one that is capable of variable space-time manipulation.
4th Jul '14 11:24:08 AM Gunslinger
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*** Do you remember the last time somebody startled you as a practical joke or even just by accident, and for a moment you felt incredibly angry at that person? Give that to a child with an established rotten temper and psychic murder powers.
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