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* Why do people keep referring to Fukunaga as 'he' or 'Mr.'? She's a transgender woman - from an interview done with the character, we know that she actually identifies as a female and isn't a crossdresser or transvestite. What she was biologically born as or whether she's had surgery done doesn't matter; she's clearly a MtF transgender woman and should be referred to using female pronouns and words.
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* Why do people keep referring to Fukunaga as 'he' or 'Mr.'? She's a transgender woman - from an interview done with the character, we know that she actually identifies as a female and isn't a crossdresser or transvestite. What she was biologically born as or whether she's had surgery done doesn't matter; she's clearly a MtF [=MtF=] transgender woman and should be referred to using female pronouns and words.
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** We don't know when the original Liar Game manga takes place; It is most likely intended to be timeless and not bound to any specific time period, seeing as the manga started in 2007, proceeded to outlive all of its tv adaptions and ended in 2015. However, due to the characters being seen having flip cell phones, I doubt it existed in a time where a quick Google search would lead them directly to a book series in which the final issue is being hidden by the higher ups of the world. In fact, considering that Yokoya himself, a character whose intelligence is meant to be on-par with Akiyama and Harimoto, wasn't able to find any information on the real world Game until he flipped through some random book in a library that most likely just fell under the radar and was probably sitting on that shelf un-touched for years and perhaps un-opened for decades, speaks volumes about just how hidden this whole concept was. (Almost like how the manga is falling under everyone's radar in our world even with the rise in popularity of this kind of concept.)
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** [[spoiler: We don't know when the original Liar Game manga takes place; It is most likely intended to be timeless and not bound to any specific time period, seeing as the manga started in 2007, proceeded to outlive all of its tv adaptions and ended in 2015. However, due to the characters being seen having flip cell phones, I doubt it existed in a time where a quick Google search would lead them directly to a book series in which the final issue is being hidden by the higher ups of the world. In fact, considering that Yokoya himself, a character whose intelligence is meant to be on-par with Akiyama and Harimoto, wasn't able to find any information on the real world Game until he flipped through some random book in a library that most likely just fell under the radar and was probably sitting on that shelf un-touched for years and perhaps un-opened for decades, speaks volumes about just how hidden this whole concept was. (Almost like how the manga is falling under everyone's radar in our world even with the rise in popularity of this kind of concept.) ]]
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** We don't know when the original Liar Game manga takes place; It is most likely intended to be timeless and not bound to any specific time period, seeing as the manga started in 2007, proceeded to outlive all of its tv adaptions and ended in 2015. However, due to the characters being seen having flip cell phones, I doubt it existed in a time where a quick Google search would lead them directly to a book series in which the final issue is being hidden by the higher ups of the world. In fact, considering that Yokoya himself, a character whose intelligence is meant to be on-par with Akiyama and Harimoto, wasn't able to find any information on the real world Game until he flipped through some random book in a library that most likely just fell under the radar and was probably sitting on that shelf un-touched for years and perhaps un-opened for decades, speaks volumes about just how hidden this whole concept was. (Almost like how the manga is falling under everyone's radar in our world even with the rise in popularity of this kind of concept.)
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** Yeah, [[EndingAversion the ending]]...
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** Yeah, [[EndingAversion the ending]]...
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** [[spoiler: Given, this makes it completely ridiculous that the country, 20 years later, legitimately were still spying on this director, who went all out in faking his death, changing his name and everything (and completely leaving his old life behind) to be able to takedown the publishing of his movie IN THE MIDDLE of its first hours of release. Not only is that not how the internet works (if someone downloaded it fast enough wtf you gonna do shadow government?), that's a tall order these days for BIG CORPORATIONS. I understand the author wanted a dramatic twist ending, but honestly it doesn't make the government look powerful, it just makes it look desperate. ... Not even mentioning that the entire movie would instead be in native Japanese, which means you REALLY don't have to be that desperate to get rid of it. The entire ending caves suspension of disbelief in like a sledgehammer in a greenhouse.]]
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*** Putting it another way: Fukunaga made them buy his strategy, then entered their group structure and traded votes like they were doing. They actually bought putting Nao in last place. Really, the biggest headscratcher is who Nao voted for after the first round...
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**** The penalty is meant to play on players' greed: it shouldn't be anything more than a last resort, since it means, in effect, a medal you have becomes worthless. This was mentioned by Akiyama at the end: because Yokoya never thought that he would be forced to be violent, he was willing to stay up extremely late to prevent allegiances. This screwed him over when a group formed to force him to commit violence; he wasn't strong enough to force his way out, and so lost. (Nao's group would likely never use this method, since it's a debt to the dealer and she recognizes those are 'profits' for LGT. Yokoya's was too prideful to use this method until he's cornered, which was too late. Harimoto's would never use this method due to their religious beliefs, as this would make them similar to demons. All of the major groups have significant reasons to not take advantage of this potential gain -- a reason Akiyama identifies and exploits.)
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*** As if Fukunaga would speak honestly about means or motivations.
*** Fukunaga isn't a woman disguised as a man. He's a man disguised as a woman.
*** Fukunaga is actually a "New Half" which can either be a transvestite or a transsexual.
*** Also, he actually looked pretty flat-chested in the second game, it's just that he was also wearing a frilly, feminine shirt.
*** Fukunaga isn't a woman disguised as a man. He's a man disguised as a woman.
*** Fukunaga is actually a "New Half" which can either be a transvestite or a transsexual.
*** Also, he actually looked pretty flat-chested in the second game, it's just that he was also wearing a frilly, feminine shirt.
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*** As if Fukunaga would speak honestly about means or motivations.
*** Fukunaga isn'tIn "10 questions for Fukunaga" in Chapter 66, she confirms that she's a woman disguised as in both "body and soul" and "only [her] birth certificate says otherwise." So she's a man. He's a man disguised as a woman.
transwoman. I assume the issue with the inconsistent identification is because the author doesn't know much about trans people.
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*** Also, heShe actually looked pretty flat-chested in the second game, it's just that he she was also wearing a frilly, feminine shirt.
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**In point of fact, every "exceptional" player is in the game by means of substitution. Akiyama is in the game by substituting himself for a random participant he meets on the way to the third round. Fukunaga is here as a substitute for his roommate, if I remember correctly. Yokoya, similarly to Akiyama, convinces a random participant to let him be his substitute (but in the first revival round rather than the second round like Akiyama). [[spoiler:Harimoto and his group are all substitutes themselves, in particular substituting for a famous musician and three other random people.]] The only exceptional person to receive their invitation "naturally" by selection by the LGT (assuming they don't send invitations in such a way as to attract certain substitutes, which is particularly unlikely in the case of Harimoto's group) is Nao Kanzaki, and she doesn't seem to be exceptional until after the first third of the games. So it seems likely either the invitations were random, targeted at people who would be desperate enough to participate at all (my personal theory, [[spoiler:even in spite of the LGTs true motives]]), or were selected by some other criteria that has nothing to do with their intelligence but was still "targeted" in some way.
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*** Yeah... the theory was based on the J-Drama, which apparently really gave 100 million to the winner as a prize. Still, according to [[http://www.onemanga.com/Liar_Game/28/21/ this]] the debt for being the loser and the debt from the M-card are one and the same. That means 200 million is all that's needed for the loser. Also, this is a plan that's in response to Yokoya being revealed to have taken 10 votes from everyone. He offered to sell his excess votes; this would be enough to let everyone know that transferring votes is possible. Once the second round is over and it becomes common knowledge that you can transfer votes, the plan can be put into action. The loser half of the duo only requires 200 million to be left with no debt or profit. The winner half of the duo... yeah, this plan would've only been plausible in the J-drama.
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*** Yeah... the theory was based on the J-Drama, which apparently really gave 100 million to the winner as a prize. Still, according to [[http://www.onemanga.com/Liar_Game/28/21/ this]] the debt for being the loser and the debt from the M-card are one and the same. That means 200 million is all that's needed for the loser. Also, this is a plan that's in response to Yokoya being revealed to have taken 10 votes from everyone. He offered to sell his excess votes; this would be enough to let everyone know that transferring votes is possible. Once the second round is over and it becomes common knowledge that you can transfer votes, the plan can be put into action. The loser half of the duo only requires 200 million to be left with no debt or profit. The winner half of the duo... yeah, this plan would've only been plausible in the J-drama.
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* IIRC, in the Revival round Fukunaga had bought 5 votes on every round from every player except Nao for 100 million. But in order to not have to pay that amount, he sells his 5 votes on every round to each player for 100 million, cancelling the debt and making this a contract by the rules of the Downsizing game. The problem is: he can't give every vote to every player on every round. If he promises to give every vote to every player, by default that should be a void contract except for one player. So, the PlotHole is... how did that work?
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** Fukunaga had bought 5 votes on every round from every player except Nao for 100 million. But in order to not have to pay that amount, he sells his 5 votes on every round to each player for 100 million, cancelling the debt and making this a contract by the rules of the Downsizing game. The problem is: he can't give every vote to every player on every round. If he promises to give every vote to every player, by default that should be a void contract except for one player. So, the PlotHole is... how did that work?
** Fukunaga had bought 5 votes on every round from every player except Nao for 100 million. But in order to not have to pay that amount, he sells his 5 votes on every round to each player for 100 million, cancelling the debt and making this a contract by the rules of the Downsizing game. The problem is: he can't give every vote to every player on every round. If he promises to give every vote to every player, by default that should be a void contract except for one player. So, the PlotHole is... how did that work?
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*** Apparently there's a page missing in Mangafox between [[http://www.mangafox.com/manga/liar_game/v03/c022/15.html page 15]] and [[http://www.mangafox.com/manga/liar_game/v03/c022/16.html 16]] of chapter 22, but... [[http://imgur.com/2dQT0.png here it is]]. Unless there was a translation error, that's what I understood from that.
**** Fukunaga didn't buy anything.He threatened to make the game end in a tie, unless they all payed him, and bought his strategy that would cause Nao to lose. He only gives his votes to one player, there were enough people in the group for each of them to get five votes from another person.
**** Fukunaga didn't buy anything.He threatened to make the game end in a tie, unless they all payed him, and bought his strategy that would cause Nao to lose. He only gives his votes to one player, there were enough people in the group for each of them to get five votes from another person.
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** [[spoiler: We know the third volume was banned before publications and the author died of "illness" 20 years before the story took place, is not inconceivable for the book to have been banned and suppressed in the meantime making it obscure and difficult to find in the time the story took place; in fact, Yokoya acquired his in an antique bookstore.]]
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* As of chapter 201, it's confirmed that the rounds of the Liar Game are [[spoiler:taken directly from a novel ''titled'' Liar Game, and reading this novel gave Yokoya an enormous advantage]]. Did none of the other participants think to use Google?
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* As of chapter 201, it's confirmed that the rounds of the Liar Game are [[spoiler:taken directly from a novel ''titled'' Liar Game, and reading this novel gave Yokoya an enormous advantage]]. Did none of the other participants think to use Google?Google "Liar Game" and discover this for themselves?
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* As of chapter 201, it's confirmed that the rounds of the Liar Game are [[spoiler:taken directly from a novel ''titled'' Liar Game, and reading this novel gave Yokoya an enormous advantage]]. Did none of the other participants think to use Google?
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** It's called "The Liar Game". You expect them to be truthful? Also, we find out that Harimoto and his group were "stand-ins" for other people; one of whom is a famous musician facing financial difficulties. As such, it's almost assuredly that they are little more than a "money-making scam". But that might not be doing them justice because if Yokoya is correct that the losers become human guinea pigs, then the "money-making scam" is just a surface image for something more nefarious: slavery enforced by immoral corporate heads.
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** It's about the mentality. The whole game is about cheating and lying, would you really want to show anyone something valuable that could be either stolen or used against you in any way (such as a phone)? Not to mention that most participants likely never had to rely on their phones to produce evidence for anything before, thus decreasing the chances of it coming to their minds at the time.
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*** It says that in the very first chapter.
->'''Directions:''' After the game is concluded, office representatives will come to retrieve the [[GratuitousEnglish money]]. At that time, what will be collected is: The [[GratuitousEnglish money]] that was given to both players at the start of the game. In [Nao's] case, the bills totaling one hundred million yen, numbered from [=BGL00585KK=] to [=BGL10584KK=].
->'''Directions:''' After the game is concluded, office representatives will come to retrieve the [[GratuitousEnglish money]]. At that time, what will be collected is: The [[GratuitousEnglish money]] that was given to both players at the start of the game. In [Nao's] case, the bills totaling one hundred million yen, numbered from [=BGL00585KK=] to [=BGL10584KK=].
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** It is actually worth noting that of the selections, virtually all, with the exception of the 'exceptional' people are people in desperate situations. Most are either heavily in debt, or extremely financially vulnerable (frex, one of the three from the second revival round had before the game declared bankruptcy, Nao herself has to take care of a seriously ill father, whose medical bills probably suck up a lot of her free money). By contrast, Yokoya, an exceptional player, is the heir to a major corporation and has few qualms about throwing about hundreds of millions of yen. The rest of the exceptional players are not as well off, to be sure, and may even be financially in trouble (as this troper recalls, Fukunaga also had some financial issues), but nevertheless, there is a high chance they were selected as much for brains as for any ancillary qualities. So there you have it; ultimately, it seems the game is designed with the intention of having a few 'star players' and a large number of pawns to fill out the ranks. The pawns are recruited with the intention of being easy to bind to LGT (they quickly amass debt owing to poor or sub-optimal play, and are tied to the LGT that way); the star players because they can be trusted to play the game for itself, and stay financially stable either through other means (Yokoya) or simply since they keep playing the game. So while all players ostensibly are all equal participants, this is not the case with selection; some players are selected as 'players' and others as 'pawns.' Finally, in this case, Nao appears to have been an exception, selected as a pawn, but revealing exceptional capabilities. Those types of players are ancillary benefits; diamonds in the rough if you will.
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**** They lost in score, which is what counts regardless of where the money ends up.
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*** Huh? How did they lose? I thought Yokoya's ATM was the one who got zero-ed
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** No, they lost, which is what they wanted.
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** Not only that, the dealer explicitly mentioned that the preliminary round offers no prize money (because the prize is reserved for the actual round), but the losers would be saddled with an additional 100 million debt. Allowing anyone to be eliminated means that more would have to be paid off to save all these people (600 million, if half the players get eliminated), and less money would be earned to pay off Nao and Akiyama's own debts.
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* The very fact that Nao, Akiyama and Fukunaga was forced to partake in the second revival round... unless I'm misremembering something, the revival rounds exists to compensate for one's loss in the previous game and give them chance to pay their debts. Nao's team won the Contraband game, so shouldn't they be able to directly proceed to the fourth game?
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** Cards taken during the exchange are just put at the bottom of the deck and then the player gets the top cards so if two players trade 5 cards each, the second player will receive 3 of the cards the first player discarded. It will most likely end up with someone folding since they have seen 10 cards each.
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*** Where does it actually say that the player must return the exact bills, actually? The translation I read simply said that the LGT office would be collecting the exact amount of money (100 million), but nothing is said about the money having to have the exact serial number.
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** You can't use the same chair twice in a row. Even if you found two chairs to bring to the totem pole, sat in one and held the other so no one could take it, you'd be an easy target for elimination by vote, and that's assuming you can manage to move between the two chairs without giving another player the opportunity to take one.
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*** Also, he actually looked pretty flat-chested in the second game, it's just that he was also wearing a frilly, feminine shirt.
*** For what it's worth, one cover shows them with what looks like real breasts.
** Um...Fukunaga himself said he doesn't care what he gets called. And he still refers to himself as a guy at times as well.
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