History Headscratchers / LesMiserables

19th Apr '17 7:13:59 AM Raconteur11037
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*How the heck did the court know that Valjean stole the 40-sous piece from Little Gervais? Yes, he went back into Digne and asked around for him, so it could be surmised that 'someone' had stolen from the Savoyard, but IIRC he had already destroyed his passport, so there was no reason for any of the witnesses that day to suspect that the thief was Jean Valjean, if they even knew such a man existed. And that's not even getting into the fact that Javert suspected him of robbing the Bishop of Digne. Sure, we as the readers know that he did both of these things, but there would have been no report or evidence to speak of connecting him to either heist.
5th Mar '17 8:24:49 AM sonar1313
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** Javert is the kind of guy who puts duty and honor and truth (or his ideas of them) above life itself. Lying to save one's own life is what crooks do.


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** Valjean didn't check on anyone else because he went to the barricades for the specific intended purpose of getting Marius out of there. He's as single-minded as Javert: he's in it for Cosette's happiness and not much else, and now that he can literally put Cosette's happiness on his shoulders, it's time to go.
15th Jan '17 2:42:39 PM CockroachCharlie
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*** He doesn't need to be psychic. Even the gun is scared of Javert.
1st Nov '16 3:39:07 PM Morgenthaler
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** Maybe he knows a tad bit about weapons (handling with them somewhat regulary and such - I would not go as far that he is an expert, but...) - Thénardier's room is in a horrible condition, his aquaintances most surely live under the same circumstances - it is quite possible that the air is quite damp. And we all know how embarassing it gets when your gunpowder gets damp. Javert's not a newbie to his work. Is is quite possible he has experience on the field... or maybe Hugo just wanted dear Monsieur l'Inspecteur to be even more BadAss than he already was.

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** Maybe he knows a tad bit about weapons (handling with them somewhat regulary and such - I would not go as far that he is an expert, but...) - Thénardier's room is in a horrible condition, his aquaintances most surely live under the same circumstances - it is quite possible that the air is quite damp. And we all know how embarassing it gets when your gunpowder gets damp. Javert's not a newbie to his work. Is is quite possible he has experience on the field... or maybe Hugo just wanted dear Monsieur l'Inspecteur to be even more BadAss badass than he already was.
17th Jun '16 9:54:50 AM ImperialMajestyXO
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*** So was Valjean, he just broke parole. If Champmathieu had been branded and imprisoned there would have been some record of him and he should have been on parole. He could have said that he wasn't Valjean because he was this other criminal and here are his parole papers. It was the fact he WASN'T a convict and was too poor and too insignificant to have papers or literally anyone in the world who could prove that his life had happened and he wasn't just an escaped convict that made the mistaken identity happen. If Champmathieu were, in fact, another convict who had broken his parole then Valjean's act of self-sacrifice just becomes the stupidest thing ever. He would have saved Champmathieu from the terrible fate of going back to prison forever for breaking parole...only for Champmathieu to go back to prison forever for breaking parole. The only possible upside Champmathieu would have for going back to prison under his real name was that he might not be facing the death penalty like book!Valjean was for having robbed that kid after leaving the bishop.

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*** So was Valjean, he just broke parole. If Champmathieu had been branded and imprisoned there would have been some record of him and he should have been on parole. He could have said that he wasn't Valjean because he was this other criminal and here are his parole papers. It was the fact he WASN'T a convict and was too poor and too insignificant to have papers or literally anyone in the world who could prove that his life had happened and he wasn't just an escaped convict that made the mistaken identity happen. If Champmathieu were, in fact, another convict who had broken his parole then Valjean's act of self-sacrifice just becomes [[SenselessSacrifice the stupidest thing ever.ever]]. He would have saved Champmathieu from the terrible fate of going back to prison forever for breaking parole...only for Champmathieu to go back to prison forever for breaking parole. The only possible upside Champmathieu would have for going back to prison under his real name was that he might not be facing the death penalty like book!Valjean was for having robbed that kid after leaving the bishop.
8th Mar '16 2:01:09 PM CockroachCharlie
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** I just added an example in CharacterExaggeration relating to this (changed handles in the mean time). Basically, in the book, Javert thinks Valjean is dead during the entire time Cosette grows up, until their paths cross again. In adaptations, the chronology is simplified so that instead of extra escapes and recaptures, when his identity is exposed, Valjean ends up knocking Javert out and fleeing prior to rescuing Cosette. So, ItsPersonal to a greater extent for Musical!Javert.

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** I just added an example in CharacterExaggeration relating to this (changed handles in the mean time). Basically, in the book, Javert thinks Valjean is dead during the entire time Cosette grows up, until their paths cross again. In adaptations, the chronology is simplified so that instead of extra escapes and recaptures, when his identity is exposed, Valjean ends up knocking Javert out and fleeing prior to rescuing Cosette. So, ItsPersonal Its Personal to a greater extent for Musical!Javert.




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** Of the criminal major characters, Thernardier, is extremely slippery and dodges the police with ease. No need to have them around him. Javert is the only one in Paris who would even recognize Valjean as a criminal. And while he probably has the image of him burned into his mind, there are likely a lot of guys matching the description to and simply would not make a manhunt worth the while for what is ultimately a personal case of the one that got away.


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** Nothing in the musical states that Javert was his guard the whole time. Also, Valjean fled after the bishop thing. Javert didn't go to the same place Valjean was Mayor of (can't recall the name) until later.


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** Likewise. Marius was a revolutionary, but a nobody really. Not worth the work of arresting him and even getting a positive ID on one guy in a crowd.


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**** A lot of the details are easy to forget.
8th Mar '16 1:36:15 PM CockroachCharlie
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** I could be mistaken, but if I recall correctly, she was unaware where her father had gone to. She never asks Marius about it, and that would have given away who carried Marius away and all sorts of other things.
28th Nov '15 11:19:24 AM nombretomado
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*** Well, there was that episode of {{Scrubs}} where JD was arguing about [[FanNickname The Glums]] with all the gay OAPs who had started congregating on his decking. Apart from that, this troper can't think of any other examples.

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*** Well, there was that episode of {{Scrubs}} ''Series/{{Scrubs}}'' where JD was arguing about [[FanNickname The Glums]] with all the gay OAPs who had started congregating on his decking. Apart from that, this troper can't think of any other examples.
1st Nov '15 2:46:18 PM Ciel12
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* In the musical, Valjean worries that his true identity has been discovered and intends to escape overseas with Cosette. But then he decides to go to the barricade instead. So what was Cosette doing when both her father and supposedly one true love were out fighting for their lives? Was she too much of a lady to go check on them or had she just been [[LockedOutOfTheLoop left out of the situation?]]
26th Aug '15 4:13:36 PM Starshock
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*** Thank you.
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