History Headscratchers / LawAndOrderSpecialVictimsUnit

5th Jul '16 1:38:42 AM kundoo
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** He was in the middle of making such an excuse when he noticed the little girl. Then he changed his mind. He probably wanted to torment Olivia more by threatening and/or hurting a child in front of her. Also he doesn't seem to be the kind of hostage taker who wants to avoid any trouble.
27th Mar '16 7:37:43 PM Alexaxle
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[[folder: Nick Amaro's character arc]]
Warren Leight said that the reason Nick was written out is that Danny and TPTB both felt that Nick's character arc had reached its conclusion, and there was no way for Nick to be a cop after what he had done. Begging the question: Why did they write that in in the first place?! Why did they make Nick an Elliot-lite when they already had an interesting, unique character angle in Season 13? If they had kept the focus on Nick's skill with interrogation/empathy they could have had a completely new character instead of a rehash of Elliot, and thus wouldn't have needed to write him off that way!
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[[folder: Carisi]]
What's the point of Carisi? He is, honestly, incredibly stupid and yet the writers insist he's incredibly skilled, just green. But then they have him save child porn from a case on his tablet for evidence, not realizing that possession is a crime even for cops, especially on a person tablet. That's like putting a murderer's blood-covered coat in your laundry! Are we really supposed to believe Carisi is a competent cop and may have passed the NY bar exam on his 'first try'?
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2nd Feb '16 6:08:53 PM redshirt26
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[[folder: "Pornstar's Requiem" Verdict]]
Three things bugged me about this episode:
* Why didn't the District Attorney re-direct the victim when the Defense Attorney argued that she performs in rape roleplay porn so there was no way for the defendants to know she wasn't consenting? It wouldn't be that hard to ask "When you perform, do you give consent offscreen to your costars who pretend to rape you?"
* Why did the Judge set aside the verdict? It seems like there was enough evidence to convict and it was up to the jury to decide who was telling the truth, the victim or the defendants. The jury didn't disregard any of the judge's instructions. If I was on that jury, I would've ended up in Contempt of Court for asking why the Honorable Son of a Bitch wasted my time forcing me to hear details of something I don't want to hear for no good reason.
* How didn't that end with everyone giving up? The DA bitches at the judge. The cops walk away. The victim goes back to porn because "With all my choices taken away, this is the only choice I have left." This case screamed "appeal on 6th Amendment grounds". Every episode starts by mentioning how dedicated these people are and they end the show with "Sorry you couldn't get justice. Enjoy getting trained."
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20th Jan '16 10:50:18 PM Luppercus
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** Not if is a sexual sadist. Sexual sadist can only have erections if they see the sexual partner suffering and if the sex is not consensual.

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** Not if is a sexual sadist. Sexual sadist sadists can only have erections if they see the sexual partner suffering and if the sex is not consensual.
20th Jan '16 10:50:02 PM Luppercus
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** Not if is a sexual sadist. Sexual sadist can only have erections if they see the sexual partner suffering and if the sex is not consensual.
19th Jan '16 7:39:47 PM dkscribbler31
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* Both Dr. Huang and Captain Cragen supported the man and Munch didnít really say anything about it. The only people who attacked him and claimed he was making it up were Elliot and Fin who are both giant Jerkasses
* In my experience (which admittedly isn't enough to be definitive), I've noticed that men usually are less likely to be sympathetic when a man is raped by a woman. Whether that's reflective of the overall population, I have not idea.

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* Both Dr. Huang and Captain Cragen supported the man and Munch didnít really say anything about it. The only people who attacked him and claimed he was making it up were Elliot and Fin who are were both giant Jerkasses
Jerkasses in this particular episode.
* In my experience (which admittedly isn't enough to be definitive), I've noticed that men usually are less likely to be sympathetic when a man is raped by a woman. Whether that's reflective of the overall population, I have not no idea.
19th Jan '16 7:22:17 PM dkscribbler31
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** Yeah, I think both incidents happened within the same day. One of the mothers state that they were told by Emma (the 8-year-old) and her older brother Charlie that Emma got gum stuck in her hair, and that Charlie attempted to fix the goof with a haircut. When Liv tells them that they know the ''real'' reason Emma's hair is short, this prompts Emma to tearfully confess that Sean (the 12-year-old) cut off her ponytail, and that she stabbed him with a pair of scissors (not necessarily the same ones that Sean cut off her ponytail with, but as stated earlier, they were in the art room, so it's not that much of a stretch to think there were more pairs of scissors there).



* Sean had been picking on Emma and Charlie for months because they're being raised by two women. Sean made frequent comments to Emma of the "you're going to Hell" sort. One day he grabbed her pony tail and cut it off in the art classroom, telling her that "you're a dyke so you should look like one." Sean then tried to kiss her and Emma grabbed another pair of scissors and managed to stab him in the back. Emma became scared and got her brother Charlie, who leaves Sean outside of a hospital. We later find out about the many emails that Sean sent to Emma, and in at least one he threatens that he's going to "cure" her. When Emma admits to what she's done, she's crying and says that she didn't mean to hurt Sean and that "[she] just wanted him to leave [her] alone." Emma was a scared seven year old child, not a violent criminal.

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* Sean had been picking on Emma and Charlie for months because they're being raised by two women. Sean made frequent comments to Emma of the "you're going to Hell" sort. One day he grabbed her pony tail and cut it off in the art classroom, telling her that "you're a dyke so you should look like one." Sean then tried to kiss her and Emma grabbed another pair of scissors and managed to stab him in the back. Emma became scared and got her brother Charlie, who leaves Sean outside of a hospital. We later find out about the many emails that Sean sent to Emma, and in at least one he threatens that he's going to "cure" her. When Emma admits to what she's done, she's crying and says that she didn't mean to hurt Sean and that "[she] just wanted him to leave [her] alone." Emma was a scared seven eight year old child, not a violent criminal.



*** I think that Emma didn't deserve to be bullied and I think that Sean didn't deserve to become a paraplegic. I also think that people who claim that either of the children deserved what they got are sick (sorry but sending a twelve year old boy to "soap droppers)?

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*** I think that Emma didn't deserve to be bullied and I think that Sean didn't deserve to become a paraplegic. I also think that people who claim that either of the children deserved what they got are sick (sorry but sending a twelve year old boy to "soap droppers)? droppers")?



What takes the case however is Taken even after finding out that everything was a con they still asked what the suspectís role was. Then after being told the ovbious they left him in jail knowing that his life was in danger because it would take at least 24 hours to get him out.

He eventually is killede and this allows them to arrest the conman. The problom with this is that off the top of my head there is solitary confinement, protective custady, hell even telling the prisonors he was framed would have helped. Because he only had such a hard time in prison because they thought he was a violent child rapist. So either the cops are incredibly stupid or they left him to die so they could make their case. Being emotional and headstrong in a touchy situation is onething being stupid and incompatent is another.

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What takes the case however is Taken even after finding out that everything was a con they still asked what the suspectís role was. Then after being told the ovbious obvious they left him in jail knowing that his life was in danger because it would take at least 24 hours to get him out.

He eventually is killede killed and this allows them to arrest the conman. The problom problem with this is that off the top of my head there is solitary confinement, protective custady, custody, hell even telling the prisonors prisoners he was framed would have helped. Because he only had such a hard time in prison because they thought he was a violent child rapist. So either the cops are incredibly stupid or they left him to die so they could make their case. Being emotional and headstrong in a touchy situation is onething being one thing. Being stupid and incompatent incompetent is another.



* That episode had quite a few problems; I wrote a small rant about their treatment of a suspect which included a large amount of PoliceBrutality and denying him a lawyer and resulted in the poor man committing suicide instead spending more time with SVU. Other things include being uncooperative with the detective that had been working the case for six month because they thought he would take all the glory for it, finding killer by finding his sisters dna in a non criminal database, and that they finally convicted him by saying that the victim used more electricity than usual that day proved he used a kilm to set her on fire.

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* That episode had quite a few problems; I wrote a small rant about their treatment of a suspect which included a large amount of PoliceBrutality and denying him a lawyer and resulted in the poor man committing suicide instead spending more time with SVU. Other things include being uncooperative with the detective that had been working the case for six month because they thought he would take all the glory for it, finding killer by finding his sisters dna DNA in a non criminal database, and that they finally convicted him by saying that the victim used more electricity than usual that day proved he used a kilm kiln to set her on fire.
19th Jan '16 6:39:13 PM dkscribbler31
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** Given that Cragen, Liv, and Munch were very aware of the conflict between the two and that Fin was doing everything short of quitting the NYPD to leave SVU, it's not that hard to believe that the three aforementioned played keep-away until they both cooled off.



* First off, a guy kills someone because he thinks he raped his sister. It confuses me that anyone would do this without investigating anyones side of the story.

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* First off, a guy kills someone because he thinks he raped his sister. It confuses me that anyone would do this without investigating anyones anyone's side of the story.


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** The issue is that they were trying to investigate from the state-of-mind angle - they had reason to believe that the online harassment may have contributed to the suicide in the first place - which isn't unreasonable considering that at the time the episode aired, there weren't really any laws for cyberbullying. Not to mention, the previous instance I believe you're citing is that one in which it was thought that an autoerotic strangled herself. In that one, they ALSO believed it was a death caused by (in this case, accidental) self-strangulation - and the only reason they had further reason to suspect foul play was because Warner (who wasn't part of the initial investigation) re-examined the body and gave them reason to.
9th Dec '15 11:15:13 PM PurpleAlert
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* What episode did you watch? There was no sexual assault. He attacked a girl with scissors and called her a dike, and she finally retaliated. And the show portrays her in a sympathetic light; it's the prosecutors who force the detectives to arrest her and claim she's violent.
** Watch closely; her statement is exactly as I said. He grabbed her and tried to kiss her, before yanking back her hair and cutting it off. Grabbing somebody and trying to kiss them is ''sexual'' assault. (Had he ''only'' grabbed her, then it would have been merely assault.) Now, the weapon she used was the same pair of scissors that he used to cut her hair; she struggled with him to get the scissors and then attacked him with them in self defense.
*** So, little boys trying to kiss little girls is sexual assault now? When I was a kid, we called that "recess".
**** 12 is not a "little boy". There are 12 year old boys who are taller and bigger than me and I'm 20. And the last time I checked, it wasn't okay to kiss people when they didn't want you to. What's the difference between saying it's okay when he's 12 and saying it's okay when he's 16?
*** It's sad how things have changed. Still, you have to wonder if it would be sexual assault if the shoe was on the other foot.
*** Look, if a boy I hated called me a dyke, grabbed me, kissed me, still tried to grab me and cut my hair off, I'd call sexual assault. Especially if they made reference to it before.
*** There's something really weird about people defending a 12 year old kissing a 7/8 year old. That's a 7th grader (possibly 8th grader) and a 2nd grader. You don't think that MAYBE there's something wrong with that??
** No, I have seen that episode recently. You got everything right except the sexual assault part that never happened.
*** Many people would argue that that constitutes sexual assault. Children younger than 12 have been charged with sexual assault for far less serious acts.
*** Yeah, I remember a case where a female teacher charged a 4 year old boy with sexual assault when he gave her a hug and his face touched her breast. There are some really crazy people out there. Sexual assault used to mean AttemptedRape. Nowadays it can mean anything up to 'excessive hug'.
**** A little boy kissing a little girl because he likes her is normal childhood behavior. A twelve year old forcing a seven year old to kiss him because he's trying to "cure her of being a dyke" is a goddamn hate crime.
** And she never wrestled the scissors from him, him cutting her ponytail off and her stabbing him were a few days apart.

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* What episode did you watch? There was no sexual assault. He attacked a girl with scissors and called her a dike, and she finally retaliated. And the show portrays her in a sympathetic light; it's the prosecutors who force the detectives to arrest her and claim she's violent.

** Watch closely; her statement is exactly as I said. He grabbed her and tried to kiss her, before yanking back her hair and cutting it off. Grabbing somebody and trying to kiss them is ''sexual'' assault. (Had he ''only'' grabbed her, then it would have been merely assault.) Now, the weapon she used was the same pair of scissors that he used to cut her hair; she struggled with him to get the scissors and then attacked him with them in self defense.
*** So, little boys trying to kiss little girls is sexual assault now? When I was a kid, we called that "recess".
**** 12 is not a "little boy". There are 12 year old boys who are taller and bigger than me and I'm 20. And the last time I checked, it wasn't okay to kiss people when they didn't want you to. What's the difference between saying it's okay when he's 12 and saying it's okay when he's 16?
*** It's sad how things have changed. Still, you have to wonder if it would be sexual assault if the shoe was on the other foot.
*** Look, if a boy I hated called me a dyke, grabbed me, kissed me, still tried to grab me and cut my hair off, I'd call sexual assault. Especially if they made reference to it before.
*** There's something really weird about people defending a 12 year old kissing a 7/8 year old. That's a 7th grader (possibly 8th grader) and a 2nd grader. You don't think that MAYBE there's something wrong with that??
** No, I have seen that episode recently. You got everything right except the sexual assault part that never happened.
*** Many people would argue that that constitutes sexual assault. Children younger than 12 have been charged with sexual assault for far less serious acts.
*** Yeah, I remember a case where a female teacher charged a 4 year old boy with sexual assault when he gave her a hug and his face touched her breast. There are some really crazy people out there. Sexual assault used to mean AttemptedRape. Nowadays it can mean anything up to 'excessive hug'.
**** A little boy kissing a little girl because he likes her is normal childhood behavior. A twelve year old forcing a seven year old to kiss him because he's trying to "cure her of being a dyke" is a goddamn hate crime.
** And she
She never wrestled the scissors from him, him cutting her ponytail off and her stabbing him were a few days apart.
27th Oct '15 9:10:10 AM LuciaMoore
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** He could have picked the lock. Lewis displays considerable resourcefulness, so it seems likely that he's a career criminal that might have lockpicking in his skillset.




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** If he had a gun on her, he could easily instruct her to play it cool and walk out with him. Security cameras would be more difficult to avoid, but bystanders would just assume it's two people out for a stroll.




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** She was still trying to stick to protocol. Police don't gag people when they restrain them. She didn't break protocol until ''after'' he got under her skin, leading to her pummeling him with the steel bar.




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** "Coming back to life" could refer to his heart stopping and his being resuscitated. People can survive considerable physical injury.




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** Olivia was a special case for him. He wanted to torment her. His other victims were strangers, but with Olivia, it was [[ItsPersonal personal]].




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** Depends on the rapist. Some of them enjoy the struggle. Olivia correctly surmised that Lewis got off on the fight his victims put up, and that he wouldn't rape her if she gave in.




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** It's possible to spoof or disable metadata in cell phone pictures. Given that Lewis was extremely resourceful and planned a lot of his torment out in detail, Olivia might not have wanted to take the chance.





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\n** Despite his psychopathy and complete lack of morals, Lewis possessed a twisted sense of honor. {{Lawful Evil}} in a manner of speaking. It was his turn to fire, and he wasn't going to let Olivia "win" by breaking the rules of the game, so he chose to kill himself in a manner that would still negatively impact Olivia.

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