History Headscratchers / Knowing

25th Nov '15 3:15:01 PM CaptEquinox
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*** You're right, many ships, lots of children. That tree was ''huge'' and there were many people gathered around it. They would have taken people from all over Earth. (This movie's whole premise is very similar to [[Literature/ThePeople Zenna Henderson's "People" stories]], except the other way around; the People were aliens, made their own ships and came to Earth when their planet did this.) There might have been adults too; the aliens said they took anyone who could ''hear them''. That doesn't mean necessarily just children.
25th Nov '15 3:04:25 PM CaptEquinox
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*** And Easter and the resurrection.


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*** That's Central Auditory Processing Disorder. Sometimes people who have it will just say "I'm a bit deaf" or "I'm half deaf" as a sort of TLDR.
16th Jul '15 2:19:22 PM Ripsaw
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* It won't be ''everyone'' else. 7 billion chances is enough for some ''really'' fluky things to happen. One possible scenario: a deep-sea submersible was at sea ready to go when this all started. They load up with extra oxygen canisters and sink to the bottom. They wait there until the radiation dies down, then surface. If the atmosphere isn't breathable, they get into the ship if still usable, or stay in the sub if it isn't, and get oxygen by electrolyzing seawater. Then make their way to land, find canned food, bottled water and air, and slowly start trying to put together a permanent residence.

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* It won't be ''everyone'' else. 7 billion chances is enough for some ''really'' fluky things to happen. One possible scenario: a deep-sea submersible was at sea ready to go when this all started. They load up with extra oxygen canisters and sink to the bottom. They wait there until the radiation dies down, then surface. If the atmosphere isn't breathable, they get into the ship if still usable, or stay in the sub if it isn't, and get oxygen by electrolyzing seawater. Then make their way to land, find canned food, bottled water and air, and slowly start trying to put together a permanent residence.residence.
** If memory serves, the minimum survival population (e.g. won't die out due to reinforced recessives through inbreeding in a few generations) for humans is around 200 to 500 individuals. The odds of that many fluke survivals within a small enough area to establish that population are astronomically low.
31st Mar '15 10:03:03 PM TheGreatSkrond
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** Signals that these things were actually happening, psychic amplifiers, something that has cultural significance to the aliens but is lost on us, they're probably intentionally impossible to understand.

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** Signals that these things were actually happening, psychic amplifiers, something that has cultural significance to the aliens but is lost on us, they're probably intentionally impossible to understand.understand.
* It won't be ''everyone'' else. 7 billion chances is enough for some ''really'' fluky things to happen. One possible scenario: a deep-sea submersible was at sea ready to go when this all started. They load up with extra oxygen canisters and sink to the bottom. They wait there until the radiation dies down, then surface. If the atmosphere isn't breathable, they get into the ship if still usable, or stay in the sub if it isn't, and get oxygen by electrolyzing seawater. Then make their way to land, find canned food, bottled water and air, and slowly start trying to put together a permanent residence.
5th Jun '14 7:43:59 AM SharleeD
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*** If her visions of the future were ''really'' detailed, it's entirely possible that she only wrote down numbers for those disasters which ''she knew Koestler would personally investigate or witness''.
17th Feb '14 10:57:51 PM ChrisDen
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** Even worse, the other guy keeps accusing Koestler of just making things up. If a scientist is handed absolute, incontrovertable proof that somebody predicted future events with perfect accuracy, wouldn't he double-check, triple-check and quadruple-check it before just saying, "No, that's impossible"?

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** Even worse, the other guy keeps accusing Koestler of just making things up. If a scientist is handed absolute, incontrovertable incontrovertible proof that somebody predicted future events with perfect accuracy, wouldn't he double-check, triple-check and quadruple-check it before just saying, "No, that's impossible"?



* You're telling me that these aliens or angels (what have you) have the power to save a bunch of little kids who have "the power" yet they dont have the ability to you know save the entire planet from a solar flare?

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* You're telling me that these aliens or angels (what have you) have the power to save a bunch of little kids who have "the power" yet they dont don't have the ability to you know save the entire planet from a solar flare?



* Rabbits, god-damn rabbits. Clearly the aliens-angels never heard of the concept of invasive species. If there ever was a species you would * not* want introduced into an alien eco-system, rabbits would make the top 5 easily. Unless the idea was they trasnplantess would have something to eat. However children tend to get all ikky below a certain age about actually, you know eating rabbits. And somewhat related to that, do the aliens not understand that human children do not typcially fare well when seperated from there parents?, much less go on to establish a viable civilization. Maybe the aliens should have rented Lord of the flies and watched that first before comeing up with their plan. Now it could be that aliens pumped them all full of dont worry be happy thoughts, along with knowledge about metallurgy, agriculture, medicine, literacy etc etc, but without all of the excess baggage and prejidices we cart around as adults, who can say?

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* Rabbits, god-damn rabbits. Clearly the aliens-angels never heard of the concept of invasive species. If there ever was a species you would * not* want introduced into an alien eco-system, rabbits would make the top 5 easily. Unless the idea was they trasnplantess would have something to eat. However children tend to get all ikky below a certain age about actually, you know eating rabbits. And somewhat related to that, do the aliens not understand that human children do not typcially typically fare well when seperated separated from there parents?, much less go on to establish a viable civilization. Maybe the aliens should have rented Lord of the flies and watched that first before comeing up with their plan. Now it could be that aliens pumped them all full of dont don't worry be happy thoughts, along with knowledge about metallurgy, agriculture, medicine, literacy etc etc, but without all of the excess baggage and prejidices we cart around as adults, who can say?



** I don't think the aliens intended to leave the kids alone to fend for themselves. They intended to stick around and raise them, but as you say, they didn't want the kids to be influenced by the emotional and prejudicial baggage that their parents would have inevitably brought along. Note that I'm not trying to claim the aliens weren't just a bit selfish, although even a quick gance at human history [[HumansAreBastards would give anyone pause,]] but it's at least comforting that the aliens seemed like kind beings (putting an arm around the boy's shoulder in a very maternal gesture, for instance). As for the rabbits, maybe the aliens had some way of limiting their reproduction, or there are only a few plants that the rabbits would have found palatable? After all, nothing limits a species like a food shortage.

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** I don't think the aliens intended to leave the kids alone to fend for themselves. They intended to stick around and raise them, but as you say, they didn't want the kids to be influenced by the emotional and prejudicial baggage that their parents would have inevitably brought along. Note that I'm not trying to claim the aliens weren't just a bit selfish, although even a quick gance glance at human history [[HumansAreBastards would give anyone pause,]] but it's at least comforting that the aliens seemed like kind beings (putting an arm around the boy's shoulder in a very maternal gesture, for instance). As for the rabbits, maybe the aliens had some way of limiting their reproduction, or there are only a few plants that the rabbits would have found palatable? After all, nothing limits a species like a food shortage.



** The dad says, "He's not deaf, words/sounds just get mixed up sometimes." I always took this to be the influence of the whisper people themselves.



*** Just date, not time. And the list included events that caused casualties in just double digits: the plane crash killed 81, the hotel fire that killed John's late wife claimed about 40 lives, IIRC. Also, the list is said to include events anywhere on the planet. Lucinda's trailer wall had newspaper clippings about an accident in East Germany, and the 2004 tsunami in the Indian Ocean turned up during John's internet searching. So any event on the list would take six digits for a date, let's say four digits for lattitude, four digits for longitude, and between two and six digits for number of casualties. A complete list would never have fitted on just a sheet of paper. And why were the second and third to last disasters located so conveniently close to the home of the protagonist?

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*** Just date, not time. And the list included events that caused casualties in just double digits: the plane crash killed 81, the hotel fire that killed John's late wife claimed about 40 lives, IIRC. Also, the list is said to include events anywhere on the planet. Lucinda's trailer wall had newspaper clippings about an accident in East Germany, and the 2004 tsunami in the Indian Ocean turned up during John's internet searching. So any event on the list would take six digits for a date, let's say four digits for lattitude, latitude, four digits for longitude, and between two and six digits for number of casualties. A complete list would never have fitted on just a sheet of paper. And why were the second and third to last disasters located so conveniently close to the home of the protagonist?
9th Dec '13 12:36:45 AM stenlis
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*** That's because the scientific community deals with complex topics where evidence is highly debatable. However, no biologist will dismiss an existence of a new species of a lizard if you bring him specimens. This was more of a case of a Flat Earth Atheist. In the least, he should have suggested bringing that paper to the police - who knows if there's somebody *making* those disasters happen.
25th Sep '13 8:40:34 AM 84788484
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* What were those round black rocks for? I don't get what they were used for and the significance of them.

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* What were those round black rocks for? I don't get what they were used for and the significance of them.them.
** Signals that these things were actually happening, psychic amplifiers, something that has cultural significance to the aliens but is lost on us, they're probably intentionally impossible to understand.
25th Sep '13 8:39:20 AM 84788484
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*** If you take the idea that they were angels (or angels as well as aliens) and work with it, that could be explained by "God helps those who help themselves". Basically they gave us the info, it was then up to us what we'd do with it. Since people made the choice to treat the girl as a madwoman instead of a prophet, that's what it got us. (Yeah, everyone else suffered for a handful of peoples' decisions, isn't that always the way?)
25th Sep '13 8:36:50 AM 84788484
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** It may be a big assumption to say that it was every disaster in all those years... it's possible she could only see so many, or that she only put enough on that particular piece of paper to convince whoever found it of the veracity of her ability, or whatnot.
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