History Headscratchers / KingdomHearts3DDreamDropDistance

28th Jan '18 7:58:55 PM nombretomado
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* A new world is [[MickeyDonaldGoofyTheThreeMusketeers The Three Musketeers]] [[CaptainObvious (Disney version)]]. What doesn't make sense is that Mickey, Donald, and Goofy (supposedly) never leave the Realm of Light. In one of the trailers, you can see Donald, Goofy, safe-ish to assume Mickey is off-camera, in Yen Sid's tower with Sora and Riku. And it's sort-of-said by Yen Sid in the same trailer that only Sora and Riku enter the Realm of Sleep. Yet here they are, in a world of their own.

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* A new world is [[MickeyDonaldGoofyTheThreeMusketeers [[WesternAnimation/MickeyDonaldGoofyTheThreeMusketeers The Three Musketeers]] [[CaptainObvious (Disney version)]]. What doesn't make sense is that Mickey, Donald, and Goofy (supposedly) never leave the Realm of Light. In one of the trailers, you can see Donald, Goofy, safe-ish to assume Mickey is off-camera, in Yen Sid's tower with Sora and Riku. And it's sort-of-said by Yen Sid in the same trailer that only Sora and Riku enter the Realm of Sleep. Yet here they are, in a world of their own.
28th Nov '17 5:18:04 PM Malady
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* So. Could anybody PLEASE explain to me WHAT the deal with Xehanort's plan [[spoiler: to assemble 13 Dark Hearts and 7 Lights]] is?! [[spoiler: So, basically, he needs 13 hearts of pure Darkness and 7 hearts of pure light to create a PERFECT x-Blade, one that won't shatter on the first-best oportunity, like Venitas' did. So far, so good. However, it's been stated SEVERAL times that the only pure-light hearts are the 7 Princesses of Heart, who were part of the first X-Blade too, meaning that he will NEED those to combat his Organization of Clones, everything else wouldn't work. OK, OK, that still makes sense. HOWEVER, suddenly, he claims he was also trying to gather "7 Protectors of Light", keyblade wielders, to start the Keyblade war with. OK, OK, now, what did I miss? If he gets his X-Blade by just sending his Organization XIII.2 to merge with the Princesses, why would he want 7 Keyblade Wielders to OPPOSE him?! He sure as hell can't forge the X-Blade for them, Riku and Lea are partially Darkness Users themselves and even if they weren't, it's CLEAR none of them are hearts of pure light, not even Mickey or Sora. So are the 7 Protectors of Light meant to serve as bodyguards for the Princesses? The Secret Ending heavily implies this to be the case. But why would Xehanort WANT bodyguards for them? Why would he WANT them to be protected when he comes to take them? And if there is a reason, why would Yen Sid play right into the plan by assembling the 7 Protectors of Light himself when Xehanort fails at it?! Why?! Why do it HAVE to be 7, can't they just, like, just have 6 and place two princesses under the protection of one? I'm sure Riku could pull that off, he's become pretty overkill during the game. And why, in Light's sake, did they decide to make Kairi a Protector of Light herself?! Is she supposed to be her own bodyguard?! With only a few months of Keyblade experience?! Nice job, playing the Cosmic Keystone right into OrganizationXIII.2's hands then, Yen Sid!]] ...Uhh... My brain... it hurts... X-x

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* So. Could anybody PLEASE explain to me WHAT the deal with Xehanort's plan [[spoiler: to assemble 13 Dark Hearts and 7 Lights]] is?! [[spoiler: So, basically, he needs 13 hearts of pure Darkness and 7 hearts of pure light to create a PERFECT x-Blade, one that won't shatter on the first-best oportunity, like Venitas' did. So far, so good. However, it's been stated SEVERAL times that the only pure-light hearts are the 7 Princesses of Heart, who were part of the first X-Blade too, meaning that he will NEED those to combat his Organization of Clones, everything else wouldn't work. OK, OK, that still makes sense. HOWEVER, suddenly, he claims he was also trying to gather "7 Protectors of Light", keyblade wielders, to start the Keyblade war with. OK, OK, now, what did I miss? If he gets his X-Blade by just sending his Organization XIII.2 to merge with the Princesses, why would he want 7 Keyblade Wielders to OPPOSE him?! He sure as hell can't forge the X-Blade for them, Riku and Lea are partially Darkness Users themselves and even if they weren't, it's CLEAR none of them are hearts of pure light, not even Mickey or Sora. So are the 7 Protectors of Light meant to serve as bodyguards for the Princesses? The Secret Ending heavily implies this to be the case. But why would Xehanort WANT bodyguards for them? Why would he WANT them to be protected when he comes to take them? And if there is a reason, why would Yen Sid play right into the plan by assembling the 7 Protectors of Light himself when Xehanort fails at it?! Why?! Why do it HAVE to be 7, can't they just, like, just have 6 and place two princesses under the protection of one? I'm sure Riku could pull that off, he's become pretty overkill during the game. And why, in Light's sake, did they decide to make Kairi a Protector of Light herself?! Is she supposed to be her own bodyguard?! With only a few months of Keyblade experience?! Nice job, playing the Cosmic Keystone right into OrganizationXIII.Characters/OrganizationXIII.2's hands then, Yen Sid!]] ...Uhh... My brain... it hurts... X-x
21st Sep '17 11:06:43 AM urutapu
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* How exactly is there a dreaming version of Yen Sid's Tower for the Fantasia level when it's still in the Realm of Light?

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* How exactly is there a dreaming version of Yen Sid's Tower for the Fantasia level when it's still in the Realm of Light?Light?
** Presumably some weird combination of the fact that the Tower can actually appear in different parts of the universe (stated in 3D Ultimania) and whatever quirk of physics makes it possible to have alternative versions of "awake" characters within the sleeping worlds.
20th Sep '17 6:04:15 PM Pikatwig
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** I have a theory for this! Their Nobodies were destroyed, but I think their Hearts that their Heartless were carrying around had been trapped in the fake Kingdom Hearts that Xemnas was creating during KH2. All of the Organization member's hearts were trapped in it, and it isn't until Sora and Riku defeat Xemnas and destroy the fake Kingdom Hearts that their hearts were free to reunite with their bodies and make them whole again. They all come back at the same time because their hearts were freed at the same time.

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** I have a theory for this! Their Nobodies were destroyed, but I think their Hearts that their Heartless were carrying around had been trapped in the fake Kingdom Hearts that Xemnas was creating during KH2. All of the Organization member's hearts were trapped in it, and it isn't until Sora and Riku defeat Xemnas and destroy the fake Kingdom Hearts that their hearts were free to reunite with their bodies and make them whole again. They all come back at the same time because their hearts were freed at the same time.time.
* How exactly is there a dreaming version of Yen Sid's Tower for the Fantasia level when it's still in the Realm of Light?
5th Sep '17 5:47:34 AM UchuuFlamenco
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*** Ansem is alive because [[spoiler: Young Xehanort pulled him out thtough {{TimeTravel}}. To be more precise, he's from a time where he hasn't died yet. However, this act did not save him from his "death"; as per the rules of time travel, he has to go back to his own time eventually and history can't be changed either to avert his death as it is destined to happen. Master Xehanort successfully reforming at the end of 3D proves that.]]

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*** Ansem is alive because [[spoiler: Young Xehanort pulled him out thtough {{TimeTravel}}.through TimeTravel. To be more precise, he's from a time where he hasn't died yet. However, this act did not save him from his "death"; as per the rules of time travel, he has to go back to his own time eventually and history can't be changed either to avert his death as it is destined to happen. Master Xehanort successfully reforming at the end of 3D proves that.]]
5th Sep '17 5:47:02 AM UchuuFlamenco
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*** Expanding on the above, perhaps it's a Sleeping World, dreaming of Disney Town's past? Maybe a chunk of the world broke off, bringing a piece of the World's heart (the fragment containing the memories of that particular era), and it went to sleep because it's not a complete world. Merlin's magic has been known to get around world barriers that are supposedly impenetrable (Scrooge McDuck in BBS). And, since it contains a piece of Disney Town's heart, what happens in it could affect Disney Town in a more... psychological sense. After all, the theft of the Cornerstone of Light in the Timeless River didn't cause it to disappear in the present at the castle (which would violate the rule of "you can't change past events"), it instead caused a huge amount of vines to appear and dulled the protective abilities of the Cornerstone. In other words, the Nocebo Effect applied to an entire world; the Cornerstone was fine, the world just believed it was in big trouble because a piece of its heart dreamed of its theft. As for how the Heartless are in a Sleeping World, they got in through the same door Pete did. This could also explain the old "Present!Pete has KH design and meets Retro!Pete, yet there's no Retro!Donald and Retro!Goofy running around, and Present!Donald and Present!Goofy have their Retro designs" conundrum: the world chunk remembers what Donald and Goofy looked like, but has no specific memories of the things they did, so when the Present versions of them show up, the world dreams them to look like how it remembers them. But it does have specific memories of Pete, so when a second Pete shows up, it rolls with it and doesn't alter Present!Pete's appearance.

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*** Expanding on the above, perhaps it's a Sleeping World, dreaming of Disney Town's past? Maybe a chunk of the world broke off, bringing a piece of the World's heart (the fragment containing the memories of that particular era), and it went to sleep because it's not a complete world. Merlin's magic has been known to get around world barriers that are supposedly impenetrable (Scrooge McDuck [=McDuck=] in BBS). And, since it contains a piece of Disney Town's heart, what happens in it could affect Disney Town in a more... psychological sense. After all, the theft of the Cornerstone of Light in the Timeless River didn't cause it to disappear in the present at the castle (which would violate the rule of "you can't change past events"), it instead caused a huge amount of vines to appear and dulled the protective abilities of the Cornerstone. In other words, the Nocebo Effect applied to an entire world; the Cornerstone was fine, the world just believed it was in big trouble because a piece of its heart dreamed of its theft. As for how the Heartless are in a Sleeping World, they got in through the same door Pete did. This could also explain the old "Present!Pete has KH design and meets Retro!Pete, yet there's no Retro!Donald and Retro!Goofy running around, and Present!Donald and Present!Goofy have their Retro designs" conundrum: the world chunk remembers what Donald and Goofy looked like, but has no specific memories of the things they did, so when the Present versions of them show up, the world dreams them to look like how it remembers them. But it does have specific memories of Pete, so when a second Pete shows up, it rolls with it and doesn't alter Present!Pete's appearance.
21st May '17 4:12:59 PM Fury1031
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* Okay, something that makes me scratch my head a bit, when a Heartless and Nobody are destroyed, the original person is restored, right? But it was Xehanort in Terra's body that got turned into a nobody and a heartless, so shouldn't Terranort of been the one reformed, not Master Xehanort?

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* Okay, something that makes me scratch my head a bit, when a Heartless and Nobody are destroyed, the original person is restored, right? But it was Xehanort in Terra's body that got turned into a nobody and a heartless, so shouldn't Terranort of have been the one reformed, not Master Xehanort?
20th Apr '17 4:37:00 PM Peridonyx
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** According to the ''3D Ultimania'', it's indeed the old Master Xehanort that's been reformed -- evidently, his old body was preserved TimeStandsStill-style (dat vanishing, tho) over the years.
21st Feb '17 1:27:08 PM HakkyounoTenshi
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** Sora failed by not completing the test. Yes, Xehanort screwed with it but if you want to get technical Sora didn't complete the established objectives. The instructions Sora and Riku were given for the Mark of Mastery Exam were to enter the Sleeping Worlds, unlock the seven Keyholes and get back out, having obtained a new power (it wasn't clear whether obtaining said power was a reward for completing the exam or a byproduct of completing it). While Sora got through the Sleeping Worlds and unlocked the 6 of 7 Keyholes, he didn't get that last Keyhole because of Xehanort's interference AND he couldn't get out on his own and got stuck. Riku ended up have to go and rescue him. Riku, on the other hand, managed to complete all the objectives (Sleeping Worlds, 7 Keyholes, get out), and therefore completed the exam. The reason Riku was chosen to rescue Sora is because he [[spoiler: accidentally turned himself into a Dream Eater and did his Mark of Mastery Exam in Sora's dreams]] making him the most capable of navigating them to retrieve Sora.
17th Feb '17 5:25:45 PM Superfield
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** The underlying confusion, I think, is just what Xemnas meant by "this world is real", and just what importance this fact holds. This would imply that Space Paranoids, in contrast, isn't "real". Which would, in turn, imply that the Grid is not made out of data on a hard drive somewhere, but a real physical location that can be simply flown to. Taking into consideration the entire premise of the Tron franchise and Tron Legacy in particular, this is pretty damn nonsensical. The exact nature of data in general in Kingdom Hearts isn't entirely clear to begin with, what with stuff like taking the munny purse out of Digital Twilight Town, the relationship between hearts, memories and data, and Re:coded... just kind of in general. It seems as though Nomura thought that data being able to dream didn't make sense, but in trying to fix it, created a VoodooShark instead.

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** The underlying confusion, I think, is just what Xemnas Young Xehanort meant by "this world is real", and just what importance this fact holds. This would imply that Space Paranoids, in contrast, isn't "real". Which would, in turn, imply that the Grid is not made out of data on a hard drive somewhere, but a real physical location that can be simply flown to. Taking into consideration the entire premise of the Tron franchise and Tron Legacy in particular, this is pretty damn nonsensical. Hell, just a few seconds before that, Xemnas tells Sora that the Grid was copied by Ansem the Wise and turned into Space Paranoids... so how the hell does that make any sense if the Grid isn't data? The exact nature of data in general in Kingdom Hearts isn't entirely clear to begin with, what with stuff like taking the munny purse out of Digital Twilight Town, the relationship between hearts, memories and data, and Re:coded... just kind of in general. It seems as though Nomura thought that data being able to dream didn't make sense, but in trying to fix it, created a VoodooShark instead.
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