History Headscratchers / KingdomHearts3DDreamDropDistance

14th Sep '16 4:54:28 PM Elgnirp100
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** I can understand about how the X-Blade comes about but some of the Xehanorts can't come back because, by the time of present day, they've either already been destroyed or they've already become future versions of themselves. In the case of Xigbar and Saix, they can easily be replaced by Braig and Isa. But the "main" Xehanorts can't come back because Young Xehanort had already become Master Xehanort, who had already become Terra-nort, who had already split into Ansem and Xemnas, who were already destroyed by Sora and Riku, and apparently have reformed, most likely into Terra-nort because if it's old Master Xehanort then that would defeat the point of possessing Terra in the first place(plus this gives Square Enix a way to have Master Xehanort without using his old self because both of his actors are dead). And they can't come back by time travel because the in-universe rules say that now that they've returned to their times they can't time travel again.

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** I can understand about how the X-Blade comes about but some of the Xehanorts can't come back because, by the time of present day, they've either already been destroyed or they've already become future versions of themselves. In the case of Xigbar and Saix, they can easily be replaced by Braig and Isa. But the "main" Xehanorts can't come back because Young Xehanort had already become Master Xehanort, who had already become Terra-nort, who had already split into Ansem and Xemnas, who were already destroyed by Sora and Riku, and apparently have reformed, most likely into Terra-nort because if it's old Master Xehanort then that would defeat the point of possessing Terra in the first place(plus this gives Square Enix a way to have Master Xehanort without using his old self because both of his actors are dead). And they can't come back by time travel because the in-universe rules say that now that they've returned to their times they can't time travel again.again.

* So, we find out in this game that [[spoiler: all of Ansem's apprentices have been resurrected due to the destruction of their Heartless and Nobodies. This makes sense...but what doesn't make sense is why they are all resurrected at once. Vexen, Lexaeus and Zexion all died during Chain of Memories, almost a year before Xemnas, Xigbar, Xaldin, Saix and Axel. Why do they all come back at pretty much the same time?]]
15th May '16 3:38:21 AM troperHearts
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* If Sora and Riku both unlocked all their Sleeping Keyholes, [[spoiler:why was only Riku given the Mark of Mastery? I could understand if he got some special honor above and beyond just the Mark because of his saving Sora as well, but Sora completed the test too.]]

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*** [[spoiler: As Saix himself put it very bluntly: "He knows too much". What Zexion might've known is pretty much the mystery here, although with the revelation about nobodies being able to grow replacement hearts, I wouldn't be too surprised if ''that'' was what Zexion knew then. [[WildMassGuessing Maybe Saix had to take him off the picture, so that no one would ever know about the revelation and everyone would be kept in the dark.]]]]
* If Sora and Riku both unlocked all their Sleeping Keyholes, [[spoiler:why was only Riku given the Mark of Mastery? I could understand if he got some special honor above and beyond just the Mark because of his saving Sora as well, but Sora completed the test too.]]]]
3rd May '16 6:32:28 AM Deadpoolio
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** True they returned to their own times at that moment, but there is the prospect of them all returning in the future, even if some have to take TheSlowPath depending on circumstances. As for needing them when it's time to forge the X-Blade, the conflict itself is what forges the X-Blade. It'll "start" whenever Xehanort launches his attack so there's no concern on that front.

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** True they returned to their own times at that moment, but there is the prospect of them all returning in the future, even if some have to take TheSlowPath depending on circumstances. As for needing them when it's time to forge the X-Blade, the conflict itself is what forges the X-Blade. It'll "start" whenever Xehanort launches his attack so there's no concern on that front.front.
**I can understand about how the X-Blade comes about but some of the Xehanorts can't come back because, by the time of present day, they've either already been destroyed or they've already become future versions of themselves. In the case of Xigbar and Saix, they can easily be replaced by Braig and Isa. But the "main" Xehanorts can't come back because Young Xehanort had already become Master Xehanort, who had already become Terra-nort, who had already split into Ansem and Xemnas, who were already destroyed by Sora and Riku, and apparently have reformed, most likely into Terra-nort because if it's old Master Xehanort then that would defeat the point of possessing Terra in the first place(plus this gives Square Enix a way to have Master Xehanort without using his old self because both of his actors are dead). And they can't come back by time travel because the in-universe rules say that now that they've returned to their times they can't time travel again.
29th Apr '16 5:07:48 PM Taxima
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* There's something that I don't understand about Master Xehanort's plan in this 3D. He gathers the various aspects of himself from across time to become the True Organization and wants Sora to be the new Number XIII. Except that whether or not he succeeds, his various selves have to return to their own times (he disappears in the same manner which implies to me that he was time displaced too, most likely from before he possessed Terra), so unless he expected the Seven Princesses and the Seven Guardians to show up in that exact moment to begin the Second Keyblade War, this plan was never going to succeed. So unless he has back up vessels that are not time displaced, I don't see how his master plan can ever be completed.

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* There's something that I don't understand about Master Xehanort's plan in this 3D. He gathers the various aspects of himself from across time to become the True Organization and wants Sora to be the new Number XIII. Except that whether or not he succeeds, his various selves have to return to their own times (he disappears in the same manner which implies to me that he was time displaced too, most likely from before he possessed Terra), so unless he expected the Seven Princesses and the Seven Guardians to show up in that exact moment to begin the Second Keyblade War, this plan was never going to succeed. So unless he has back up vessels that are not time displaced, I don't see how his master plan can ever be completed.completed.
** True they returned to their own times at that moment, but there is the prospect of them all returning in the future, even if some have to take TheSlowPath depending on circumstances. As for needing them when it's time to forge the X-Blade, the conflict itself is what forges the X-Blade. It'll "start" whenever Xehanort launches his attack so there's no concern on that front.
13th Apr '16 9:47:38 PM Deadpoolio
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** Basically, Xehanort and his group, during the test, led Sora to their base, while messing with his head about the power of the connections he had to his hearts and the hearts within him, just to wear him down, probably cause they knew that he had unstable control over it and planned to use that against him. Then once he's in the TWTNW, they trap Sora and put him into a deeper sleep, he is left at the mercy of his unstable power of friendship (Heart Resonance as someone called it) and forced deeper into sleep. When Riku was about to wake him up, they put him into a second, much deeper sleep. Even when he started to gained better control of his POF, it was too late as he was so deep in sleep that he was left vulnerable to the massive inner darkness in himself and the other hearts within him (like Data-Roxas said, pain can lead to darkness, and considering the pain Sora was in and anger at the organization, not only from his own pain made worse by witnessing and feeling the pain and suffering of others, but also the fact that the nobodies are real people with hearts and anger towards MX for lying to them about it for his own personal gain, but also at himself for believing that lie and not trying to figure out if it was true, the pain and anger-induced darkness in Sora had to be overwhelming even for him) since he never learned to balance himself like Riku did. Does this make sense to anyone?

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** Basically, Xehanort and his group, during the test, led Sora to their base, while messing with his head about the power of the connections he had to his hearts and the hearts within him, just to wear him down, probably cause they knew that he had unstable control over it and planned to use that against him. Then once he's in the TWTNW, they trap Sora and put him into a deeper sleep, he is left at the mercy of his unstable power of friendship (Heart Resonance as someone called it) and forced deeper into sleep. When Riku was about to wake him up, they put him into a second, much deeper sleep. Even when he started to gained better control of his POF, it was too late as he was so deep in sleep that he was left vulnerable to the massive inner darkness in himself and the other hearts within him (like Data-Roxas said, pain can lead to darkness, and considering the pain Sora was in and anger at the organization, not only from his own pain made worse by witnessing and feeling the pain and suffering of others, but also the fact that the nobodies are real people with hearts and anger towards MX for lying to them about it for his own personal gain, but also at himself for believing that lie and not trying to figure out if it was true, the pain and anger-induced darkness in Sora had to be overwhelming even for him) since he never learned to balance himself like Riku did. Does this make sense to anyone?anyone?

*There's something that I don't understand about Master Xehanort's plan in this 3D. He gathers the various aspects of himself from across time to become the True Organization and wants Sora to be the new Number XIII. Except that whether or not he succeeds, his various selves have to return to their own times (he disappears in the same manner which implies to me that he was time displaced too, most likely from before he possessed Terra), so unless he expected the Seven Princesses and the Seven Guardians to show up in that exact moment to begin the Second Keyblade War, this plan was never going to succeed. So unless he has back up vessels that are not time displaced, I don't see how his master plan can ever be completed.
24th Mar '16 7:12:18 PM troperHearts
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*** Retcons are Nomura's favorite drug, The Compilation of FFVII is enough proof for that. Jokes aside, Destiny Islands is probably just a jumping point for Sora and Riku, since it was where they started their respective journeys into light and darkness. One could also make the (insane) argument that the invasion of the hearless, or the very appearance of [=AnsemSoD=] caused the place to go to sleep.
24th Mar '16 7:01:23 PM troperHearts
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*** I don't think it was from merely entering the Realm of Sleep, but it bears mentioning that the rules of the place are different from the Realm of Light and Darkness. Also, the duo happen to have some nifty innate abilities, Sora having connections to his friends that give him insane strength and allow him to wield the Keyblade despite not being chosen, and Riku having developed complete immunity to Darkness, thus allowing him to use it without being corrupted.
19th Mar '16 10:59:11 AM ZoicProboscidean
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*** With the sole Problem being this: Up until DDD, Nomura's answer to the question "What the hell was the last world in the first KH?" always was "It's Destiny Island after falling into darkness". And now the worlds suddenly fall into sleep? Heavy case of retcon here.
19th Mar '16 10:52:09 AM ZoicProboscidean
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*** So Sora and Riku started several adventures from scratch, always taught themselves every technique from anew. But once they do it in the realm of dreams, they somehow learn similar techniques like the wayfinder-trio? No, the two of them don't learn similar techniques - they even become STRONGER than the trio after merely entering the realm of dreams? Seriously? Entering the realm of dreams automatically gives Sora and Riku techniques that not even Eraqus could teach to Terra, Aqua and Ventus? You better find a better explanation.
6th Mar '16 1:40:14 PM jahman
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** Basically, Xehanort and his group, during the test, led Sora to their base, while messing with his head about the power of the connections he had to his hearts and the hearts within him, just to wear him down, probably cause they knew that he had unstable control over it and planned to use that against him. Then once he's in the TWTNW, they trap Sora and put him into a deeper sleep, he is left at the mercy of his unstable power of friendship (Heart Resonance as someone called it) and forced deeper into sleep. When Riku was about to wake him up, they put him into a second, much deeper sleep. Even when he started to gained better control of his POF, it was too late as he was so deep in sleep that he was left vulnerable to the massive inner darkness in himself and the other hearts within him (like Data-Roxas said, pain can lead to darkness, and considering the pain Sora was in and anger at the organization, not only from his own pain made worse by witnessing and feeling the pain and suffering of others, but also the fact that the nobodies are real people with hearts and anger towards MX for lying to them about it for his own personal gain, but also at himself for believing that lie and not trying to figure out if it was true, the pain and anger-induced darkness in Sora had to be overwhelming even for him) since he never learned to balance himself like Riku did.

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** Basically, Xehanort and his group, during the test, led Sora to their base, while messing with his head about the power of the connections he had to his hearts and the hearts within him, just to wear him down, probably cause they knew that he had unstable control over it and planned to use that against him. Then once he's in the TWTNW, they trap Sora and put him into a deeper sleep, he is left at the mercy of his unstable power of friendship (Heart Resonance as someone called it) and forced deeper into sleep. When Riku was about to wake him up, they put him into a second, much deeper sleep. Even when he started to gained better control of his POF, it was too late as he was so deep in sleep that he was left vulnerable to the massive inner darkness in himself and the other hearts within him (like Data-Roxas said, pain can lead to darkness, and considering the pain Sora was in and anger at the organization, not only from his own pain made worse by witnessing and feeling the pain and suffering of others, but also the fact that the nobodies are real people with hearts and anger towards MX for lying to them about it for his own personal gain, but also at himself for believing that lie and not trying to figure out if it was true, the pain and anger-induced darkness in Sora had to be overwhelming even for him) since he never learned to balance himself like Riku did. Does this make sense to anyone?
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