History Headscratchers / KingdomCome

10th Mar '16 6:23:48 AM DoctorNemesis
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** You're really getting into RonTheDeathEater mode here a bit, aren't you? In context, Magog clearly gives Swastika a clip across the back of the head because he's being pretty disrespectful during what is obviously a rather important occasion of some great significance to their hosts. While Magog is definitely being a bit blunt, it's a long way from that to concentration camps. I mean, if you were in a church dicking around in a similar fashion during someone's wedding ceremony, they'd probably react more or less similarly (maybe not with mild violence, but this is still Magog we're discussing here). But that doesn't mean you live in a police state and are being oppressed, it just means you're being a disrespectful asshole and should knock it off. Presumably metahumans who don't want to spend their lives studying on Themyscria are perfectly free not to do so, but it's also presumably expected that if they do happen to do so, they show a little basic respect for their hosts and surroundings while they're there. As for "Big Brother Superman", as has been repeatedly pointed out ''the whole point'' of the ending is that Clark Kent ''isn't'' going to be setting himself above ordinary mortals any more, he's going to be living full-time as one of them; he's just going to openly use his abilities to help out from now on.

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** You're really getting into RonTheDeathEater mode here a bit, aren't you? In context, Magog clearly gives Swastika a clip across the back of the head because he's being pretty disrespectful during what is obviously a rather important occasion of some great significance to their hosts. While Magog is definitely being a bit blunt, it's a long way from that to concentration camps. I mean, if you were in a church dicking around in a similar fashion during someone's wedding ceremony, they'd probably react more or less similarly (maybe not with mild violence, but this is still Magog we're discussing here). But that doesn't mean you live in a police state and are being oppressed, it just means you're being a disrespectful an ill-mannered asshole and should knock it off. Presumably metahumans who don't want to spend their lives studying on Themyscria are perfectly free not to do so, but it's also presumably expected that if they do happen to do so, they show a little basic respect for their hosts and surroundings while they're there. As for "Big Brother Superman", as has been repeatedly pointed out ''the whole point'' of the ending is that Clark Kent ''isn't'' going to be setting himself above ordinary mortals any more, he's going to be living full-time as one of them; he's just going to openly use his abilities to help out from now on.
10th Mar '16 6:20:38 AM DoctorNemesis
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** You're really getting into RonTheDeathEater mode here a bit, aren't you? In context, Magog clearly gives Swastika a clip across the back of the head because he's being pretty disrespectful during what is obviously a rather important occasion of some great significance to their hosts. While a bit blunt, it's a long way from that to concentration camps. Especially since the whole point of the ending is that Superman has stopped being Superman and is just living his life as Clark Kent from now on. He doesn't ''want'' power or influence at that point, he just wants to live as an ordinary man and use his abilities to help people that way. Presumably metahumans who don't want to spend their lives studying on Themyscria are perfectly free not to do so, but it's also presumably expected that if they do happen to do so, they show a little basic respect for their hosts and surroundings.

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** You're really getting into RonTheDeathEater mode here a bit, aren't you? In context, Magog clearly gives Swastika a clip across the back of the head because he's being pretty disrespectful during what is obviously a rather important occasion of some great significance to their hosts. While Magog is definitely being a bit blunt, it's a long way from that to concentration camps. Especially since the whole point of the ending I mean, if you were in a church dicking around in a similar fashion during someone's wedding ceremony, they'd probably react more or less similarly (maybe not with mild violence, but this is still Magog we're discussing here). But that Superman has stopped being Superman and is just living his life as Clark Kent from now on. He doesn't ''want'' power or influence at that point, he mean you live in a police state and are being oppressed, it just wants to live as an ordinary man means you're being a disrespectful asshole and use his abilities to help people that way. should knock it off. Presumably metahumans who don't want to spend their lives studying on Themyscria are perfectly free not to do so, but it's also presumably expected that if they do happen to do so, they show a little basic respect for their hosts and surroundings.surroundings while they're there. As for "Big Brother Superman", as has been repeatedly pointed out ''the whole point'' of the ending is that Clark Kent ''isn't'' going to be setting himself above ordinary mortals any more, he's going to be living full-time as one of them; he's just going to openly use his abilities to help out from now on.
5th Mar '16 7:32:58 AM DoctorNemesis
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** You're really getting into RonTheDeathEater mode here a bit, aren't you? In context, Magog clearly gives Swastika a clip across the back of the head because he's being pretty disrespectful during what is obviously a rather important occasion of some great significance. While a bit blunt, it's a long way from that to concentration camps. Especially since the whole point of the ending is that Superman has stopped being Superman and is just living his life as Clark Kent from now on. He doesn't ''want'' power or influence at that point, he just wants to live as an ordinary man and use his abilities to help people that way. Presumably metahumans who don't want to spend their lives studying on Themyscria are perfectly free not to do so, but it's also presumably expected that if they do happen to do so, they show a little basic respect for their hosts and surroundings.

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** You're really getting into RonTheDeathEater mode here a bit, aren't you? In context, Magog clearly gives Swastika a clip across the back of the head because he's being pretty disrespectful during what is obviously a rather important occasion of some great significance.significance to their hosts. While a bit blunt, it's a long way from that to concentration camps. Especially since the whole point of the ending is that Superman has stopped being Superman and is just living his life as Clark Kent from now on. He doesn't ''want'' power or influence at that point, he just wants to live as an ordinary man and use his abilities to help people that way. Presumably metahumans who don't want to spend their lives studying on Themyscria are perfectly free not to do so, but it's also presumably expected that if they do happen to do so, they show a little basic respect for their hosts and surroundings.
5th Mar '16 7:25:16 AM DoctorNemesis
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** You're really getting into RonTheDeathEater mode here a bit, aren't you? In context, Magog clearly gives Swastika a clip across the back of the head because he's being pretty disrespectful during what is obviously a rather important occasion of some great significance. While a bit blunt, it's a long way from that to concentration camps. Especially since the whole point of the ending is that Superman has stopped being Superman and is just living his life as Clark Kent from now on. He doesn't ''want'' power or influence at that point, he just wants to live as an ordinary man and use his abilities to help people that way. Presumably metahumans who don't want to spend their lives studying on Themyscria are perfectly free not to do so.

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** You're really getting into RonTheDeathEater mode here a bit, aren't you? In context, Magog clearly gives Swastika a clip across the back of the head because he's being pretty disrespectful during what is obviously a rather important occasion of some great significance. While a bit blunt, it's a long way from that to concentration camps. Especially since the whole point of the ending is that Superman has stopped being Superman and is just living his life as Clark Kent from now on. He doesn't ''want'' power or influence at that point, he just wants to live as an ordinary man and use his abilities to help people that way. Presumably metahumans who don't want to spend their lives studying on Themyscria are perfectly free not to do so.so, but it's also presumably expected that if they do happen to do so, they show a little basic respect for their hosts and surroundings.
5th Mar '16 7:23:38 AM DoctorNemesis
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*** The average new generation hero is ''now dead''. And those few that aren't have just survived an apocalyptic battle, being at ground zero of a doomsday bomb, and watching ''Superman'', the Capiest of [[TheCape Capes]], briefly go nuts and have to be talked down from going on the most Roaring of [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge Roaring Rampages of Revenge]]. Seriously, that's more than enough for even the most hardened and bloodthirsty of warriors to throw up his or her hands and go "You know what? Fuck war. Let's give peace a chance here."

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*** The average new generation hero is ''now likely to be dead''. And those few that aren't have just survived an apocalyptic battle, being at ground zero of a doomsday bomb, and watching ''Superman'', the Capiest of [[TheCape Capes]], briefly go nuts and have to be talked down from going on the most Roaring of [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge Roaring Rampages of Revenge]]. Seriously, that's more than enough for even the most hardened and bloodthirsty of warriors to throw up his or her hands and go "You know what? Fuck war. Let's give peace a chance here."



** I wouldnt be too sure about that. Notice in the epilogue how the black-suited hero, I think his name is Swastika, mock-gags and Magog headslaps him. Yeah, its obviously played for laughs, but I think that opens a pretty big question - what about the ones who DONT want to be educated in the new way? Are they forcibly interred on Themiscyra until they agree? Is this just a new kind of gulag? Do as we say or you cant do anything at all? Everybody smile and be nice for Big Brother Superman and the President.

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** I wouldnt be too sure about that. Notice in the epilogue how the black-suited hero, I think his name is Swastika, mock-gags and Magog headslaps him. Yeah, its obviously played for laughs, but I think that opens a pretty big question - what about the ones who DONT want to be educated in the new way? Are they forcibly interred on Themiscyra until they agree? Is this just a new kind of gulag? Do as we say or you cant do anything at all? Everybody smile and be nice for Big Brother Superman and the President.President.
** You're really getting into RonTheDeathEater mode here a bit, aren't you? In context, Magog clearly gives Swastika a clip across the back of the head because he's being pretty disrespectful during what is obviously a rather important occasion of some great significance. While a bit blunt, it's a long way from that to concentration camps. Especially since the whole point of the ending is that Superman has stopped being Superman and is just living his life as Clark Kent from now on. He doesn't ''want'' power or influence at that point, he just wants to live as an ordinary man and use his abilities to help people that way. Presumably metahumans who don't want to spend their lives studying on Themyscria are perfectly free not to do so.
12th Dec '15 11:43:51 AM neoblackdragon
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** While the book uses DC characters it doesn't 100% share it's continuity. It's simply another universe.




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** So at that point the bomb was always going off. It was too close. Superman may have been killed if he took it out point blank. I think Marvel chose to preserve as much as he could.
5th Oct '15 2:19:38 PM SilentStranger
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** Furthermore, it's not like the government just bombed them for no reason, you know. You seem to be overlooking the fact that they were kind of engaged in an apocalyptic mega-battle that threatened the entire planet a bit here. This isn't like the government siccing the Sentinels on the defenceless superhumans who just want to live in peace or anything; the superheroes (of both stripes) are as much to blame for what happened as much as the government if not more so. Even the most immature and petulant of heroes is probably not completely self-absorbed enough to fail to realize that.

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** Furthermore, it's not like the government just bombed them for no reason, you know. You seem to be overlooking the fact that they were kind of engaged in an apocalyptic mega-battle that threatened the entire planet a bit here. This isn't like the government siccing the Sentinels on the defenceless superhumans who just want to live in peace or anything; the superheroes (of both stripes) are as much to blame for what happened as much as the government if not more so. Even the most immature and petulant of heroes is probably not completely self-absorbed enough to fail to realize that.that.
** I wouldnt be too sure about that. Notice in the epilogue how the black-suited hero, I think his name is Swastika, mock-gags and Magog headslaps him. Yeah, its obviously played for laughs, but I think that opens a pretty big question - what about the ones who DONT want to be educated in the new way? Are they forcibly interred on Themiscyra until they agree? Is this just a new kind of gulag? Do as we say or you cant do anything at all? Everybody smile and be nice for Big Brother Superman and the President.
12th Sep '15 11:01:24 AM DoctorNemesis
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** It's not like the government just bombed them for no reason, you know. You seem to be overlooking the fact that they were kind of engaged in an apocalyptic mega-battle that threatened the entire planet a bit here. This isn't like the government siccing the Sentinels on the defenceless superhumans who just want to live in peace or anything; the superheroes (of both stripes) are as much to blame for what happened as much as the government if not more so. Even the most immature and petulant of heroes is probably not completely self-absorbed enough to fail to realize that.

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** It's Furthermore, it's not like the government just bombed them for no reason, you know. You seem to be overlooking the fact that they were kind of engaged in an apocalyptic mega-battle that threatened the entire planet a bit here. This isn't like the government siccing the Sentinels on the defenceless superhumans who just want to live in peace or anything; the superheroes (of both stripes) are as much to blame for what happened as much as the government if not more so. Even the most immature and petulant of heroes is probably not completely self-absorbed enough to fail to realize that.
26th Aug '15 6:44:34 AM DoctorNemesis
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*** At that point, yes. The bomb wasn't just going to go away by itself. The heroes weren't just going to stop fighting. It was either that, let the bomb kill all the heroes, or stop the bomb and let the heroes fight until the entire planet was reduced to rubble, or minimise the casualties on both sides. As for unresolved, it is resolved. Never mind the new heroes, you seem to be forgetting that ''Superman'' is so pissed by what happened that he almost goes on a RoaringRampageOfRevenge and has to be talked down. The survivors on both sides are clearly so shaken and sickened by events that they decide there's been enough bloodshed and decide to mend their ways, because the alternative was just to get caught in the same cycle of violence once again. Never mind the writer, you seem to be underestimating just how sick of pointless, endless bloodshed for no gain whatsoever humanity (and superhumanity) can get.

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*** At that point, yes. The bomb wasn't just going to go away by itself. The heroes weren't just going to stop fighting. It was either that, let the bomb kill all the heroes, or stop the bomb and let the heroes fight until the entire planet was reduced to rubble, or minimise the casualties on both sides. As for unresolved, it is resolved. Never mind the new heroes, you seem to be forgetting that ''Superman'' is so pissed by what happened that he almost goes on a RoaringRampageOfRevenge and has to be talked down. The By the end, the survivors on both sides are clearly so shaken and sickened by events that they decide there's been enough bloodshed and decide to mend their ways, because the alternative was just to get caught in the same cycle of violence once again. Never mind the writer, you seem to be underestimating just how sick of pointless, endless bloodshed for no gain whatsoever humanity (and superhumanity) can get.
26th Aug '15 6:41:12 AM DoctorNemesis
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*** At that point, yes. The bomb wasn't just going to go away by itself. The heroes weren't just going to stop fighting. It was either that, let the bomb kill all the heroes, or stop the bomb and let the heroes fight until the entire planet was reduced to rubble, or minimise the casualties on both sides. As for unresolved, it is resolved. Never mind the new heroes, you seem to be forgetting that ''Superman'' is so pissed by what happened that he almost goes on a RoaringRampageOfRevenge and has to be talked down. And never mind the writer, you seem to be underestimating just how sick of pointless, endless bloodshed for no gain whatsoever humanity can get.

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*** At that point, yes. The bomb wasn't just going to go away by itself. The heroes weren't just going to stop fighting. It was either that, let the bomb kill all the heroes, or stop the bomb and let the heroes fight until the entire planet was reduced to rubble, or minimise the casualties on both sides. As for unresolved, it is resolved. Never mind the new heroes, you seem to be forgetting that ''Superman'' is so pissed by what happened that he almost goes on a RoaringRampageOfRevenge and has to be talked down. And never The survivors on both sides are clearly so shaken and sickened by events that they decide there's been enough bloodshed and decide to mend their ways, because the alternative was just to get caught in the same cycle of violence once again. Never mind the writer, you seem to be underestimating just how sick of pointless, endless bloodshed for no gain whatsoever humanity (and superhumanity) can get.
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