History Headscratchers / KingdomCome

12th Dec '15 11:43:51 AM neoblackdragon
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** While the book uses DC characters it doesn't 100% share it's continuity. It's simply another universe.

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** So at that point the bomb was always going off. It was too close. Superman may have been killed if he took it out point blank. I think Marvel chose to preserve as much as he could.
5th Oct '15 2:19:38 PM SilentStranger
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** Furthermore, it's not like the government just bombed them for no reason, you know. You seem to be overlooking the fact that they were kind of engaged in an apocalyptic mega-battle that threatened the entire planet a bit here. This isn't like the government siccing the Sentinels on the defenceless superhumans who just want to live in peace or anything; the superheroes (of both stripes) are as much to blame for what happened as much as the government if not more so. Even the most immature and petulant of heroes is probably not completely self-absorbed enough to fail to realize that.
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** Furthermore, it's not like the government just bombed them for no reason, you know. You seem to be overlooking the fact that they were kind of engaged in an apocalyptic mega-battle that threatened the entire planet a bit here. This isn't like the government siccing the Sentinels on the defenceless superhumans who just want to live in peace or anything; the superheroes (of both stripes) are as much to blame for what happened as much as the government if not more so. Even the most immature and petulant of heroes is probably not completely self-absorbed enough to fail to realize that.that. ** I wouldnt be too sure about that. Notice in the epilogue how the black-suited hero, I think his name is Swastika, mock-gags and Magog headslaps him. Yeah, its obviously played for laughs, but I think that opens a pretty big question - what about the ones who DONT want to be educated in the new way? Are they forcibly interred on Themiscyra until they agree? Is this just a new kind of gulag? Do as we say or you cant do anything at all? Everybody smile and be nice for Big Brother Superman and the President.
12th Sep '15 11:01:24 AM DoctorNemesis
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** It's not like the government just bombed them for no reason, you know. You seem to be overlooking the fact that they were kind of engaged in an apocalyptic mega-battle that threatened the entire planet a bit here. This isn't like the government siccing the Sentinels on the defenceless superhumans who just want to live in peace or anything; the superheroes (of both stripes) are as much to blame for what happened as much as the government if not more so. Even the most immature and petulant of heroes is probably not completely self-absorbed enough to fail to realize that.
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** It's Furthermore, it's not like the government just bombed them for no reason, you know. You seem to be overlooking the fact that they were kind of engaged in an apocalyptic mega-battle that threatened the entire planet a bit here. This isn't like the government siccing the Sentinels on the defenceless superhumans who just want to live in peace or anything; the superheroes (of both stripes) are as much to blame for what happened as much as the government if not more so. Even the most immature and petulant of heroes is probably not completely self-absorbed enough to fail to realize that.
26th Aug '15 6:44:34 AM DoctorNemesis
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*** At that point, yes. The bomb wasn't just going to go away by itself. The heroes weren't just going to stop fighting. It was either that, let the bomb kill all the heroes, or stop the bomb and let the heroes fight until the entire planet was reduced to rubble, or minimise the casualties on both sides. As for unresolved, it is resolved. Never mind the new heroes, you seem to be forgetting that ''Superman'' is so pissed by what happened that he almost goes on a RoaringRampageOfRevenge and has to be talked down. The survivors on both sides are clearly so shaken and sickened by events that they decide there's been enough bloodshed and decide to mend their ways, because the alternative was just to get caught in the same cycle of violence once again. Never mind the writer, you seem to be underestimating just how sick of pointless, endless bloodshed for no gain whatsoever humanity (and superhumanity) can get.
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*** At that point, yes. The bomb wasn't just going to go away by itself. The heroes weren't just going to stop fighting. It was either that, let the bomb kill all the heroes, or stop the bomb and let the heroes fight until the entire planet was reduced to rubble, or minimise the casualties on both sides. As for unresolved, it is resolved. Never mind the new heroes, you seem to be forgetting that ''Superman'' is so pissed by what happened that he almost goes on a RoaringRampageOfRevenge and has to be talked down. The By the end, the survivors on both sides are clearly so shaken and sickened by events that they decide there's been enough bloodshed and decide to mend their ways, because the alternative was just to get caught in the same cycle of violence once again. Never mind the writer, you seem to be underestimating just how sick of pointless, endless bloodshed for no gain whatsoever humanity (and superhumanity) can get.
26th Aug '15 6:41:12 AM DoctorNemesis
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*** At that point, yes. The bomb wasn't just going to go away by itself. The heroes weren't just going to stop fighting. It was either that, let the bomb kill all the heroes, or stop the bomb and let the heroes fight until the entire planet was reduced to rubble, or minimise the casualties on both sides. As for unresolved, it is resolved. Never mind the new heroes, you seem to be forgetting that ''Superman'' is so pissed by what happened that he almost goes on a RoaringRampageOfRevenge and has to be talked down. And never mind the writer, you seem to be underestimating just how sick of pointless, endless bloodshed for no gain whatsoever humanity can get.
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*** At that point, yes. The bomb wasn't just going to go away by itself. The heroes weren't just going to stop fighting. It was either that, let the bomb kill all the heroes, or stop the bomb and let the heroes fight until the entire planet was reduced to rubble, or minimise the casualties on both sides. As for unresolved, it is resolved. Never mind the new heroes, you seem to be forgetting that ''Superman'' is so pissed by what happened that he almost goes on a RoaringRampageOfRevenge and has to be talked down. And never The survivors on both sides are clearly so shaken and sickened by events that they decide there's been enough bloodshed and decide to mend their ways, because the alternative was just to get caught in the same cycle of violence once again. Never mind the writer, you seem to be underestimating just how sick of pointless, endless bloodshed for no gain whatsoever humanity (and superhumanity) can get.
26th Aug '15 6:38:13 AM DoctorNemesis
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*** At that point, yes. The bomb wasn't just going to go away by itself. The heroes weren't just going to stop fighting. It was either that, let the bomb kill all the heroes, or stop the bomb and let the heroes fight until the entire planet was reduced to rubble, or minimise the casualties on both sides. As for unresolved, it is resolved. Never mind the new heroes, you seem to be forgetting that ''Superman'' is so pissed by what happened that he almost goes on a RoaringRampageOfRevenge and has to be talked down. And never mind the writer, you seem to be underestimating just how sick of pointless, endless bloodshed for no gain whatsoever humanity can get.

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\n** He's a non-Yugoslavian who basically invaded it and took over. Simple.
26th Aug '15 6:26:01 AM DoctorNemesis
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\n** At that point, everyone was probably just so relieved to not be a red smear on the wall that they decided to let the matter drop. Superman was successfully talked down, no one at the UN appears to have been seriously hurt, he could clearly argue "extreme emotional disturbance", it would be less "not allowing Superman to leave" and more "hoping Superman was in a mood to allow them to detain him" (seriously, we're asking why no one tried to detain ''the man who can punch through walls'') and and it was at least partially the UN Council's fault that they found themselves in that position to begin with (they did kind of drop ''a doomsday bomb'' on him and his friends). In between risking exacerbating tensions once again and just letting bygones be bygones, it's hardly surprising that everyone went with the latter after what they'd all been through.
26th Aug '15 6:08:13 AM DoctorNemesis
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** It's not like the government just bombed them for no reason, you know. You seem to be overlooking the fact that they were kind of engaged in an apocalyptic mega-battle that threatened the entire planet a bit here. This isn't like the government siccing the Sentinels on the defenceless superhumans who just want to live in peace or anything; the superheroes (of both stripes) are as much to blame for what happened as much as the government if not more so.
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** It's not like the government just bombed them for no reason, you know. You seem to be overlooking the fact that they were kind of engaged in an apocalyptic mega-battle that threatened the entire planet a bit here. This isn't like the government siccing the Sentinels on the defenceless superhumans who just want to live in peace or anything; the superheroes (of both stripes) are as much to blame for what happened as much as the government if not more so. Even the most immature and petulant of heroes is probably not completely self-absorbed enough to fail to realize that.
26th Aug '15 6:06:42 AM DoctorNemesis
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*** The average new generation hero is ''now dead''. And those few that aren't have just survived an apocalyptic battle, being at ground zero of a doomsday bomb, and watching ''Superman'', the Capiest of [[TheCape Capes]], briefly go nuts and have to be talked down from going on the most Roaring of [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge Roaring Rampages of Revenge]]. Seriously, that's more than enough for even the most hardened and bloodthirsty of warriors to throw up his or her hands and go "You know what? Fuck war. Let's give peace a chance here." ** It's not like the government just bombed them for no reason, you know. You seem to be overlooking the fact that they were kind of engaged in an apocalyptic mega-battle that threatened the entire planet a bit here. This isn't like the government siccing the Sentinels on the defenceless superhumans who just want to live in peace or anything; the superheroes (of both stripes) are as much to blame for what happened as much as the government if not more so.
31st Jul '15 11:39:09 PM Zark
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** All that talk about who was wrong and why is fine from a reader's POV. But an average new generaton hero would likely look at things this way: "Me and my pals protected the planet, all but eradicated supervillainy and that's how we get rewarded now? First these old farts, who quit decades ago, return just to throw us in gulags and now these goddamn muggles we risked our lives to protect have just murdered hundreds of my pals (sure, we clashed a lot but we were still ultimately on the same side)." The way new blood is written it seems much more in character for them to go on a RoaringRampageOfRevenge against the UN leadership then suck it up just because Superman (who they aren't partitularly inclined to listen to, due to aforementioned gulag thing, and may also blame for the tragedy) told them to.
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