History Headscratchers / KellysHeroes

15th Jun '16 5:33:58 PM gman992
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* What's scary is the none of Kelly's Heroes question where or who the gold REALLY came from.
2nd Jun '16 9:27:29 AM mavacca
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* Maybe both of these. The SS, like any group, was composed of individuals. They can't ''all'' have been rabid fanatics. And even if they were, this is a fictional movie, and the SS guys we see in the movie are equally fictional, therefore their opinion of Hitler etc. is subject to the whim of the writers. Judging by the Tiger commander's conversation with the SS lieutenant, it seems obvious he's got a fairly cynical and pragmatic world outlook (the dialogue is untranslated but the commander's overall tone and attitude are one of extreme indifference bordering on dry bemusement). Finally, the film is set towards the end of the war when Germans, apart from the most fanatical Nazis, had realized that the struggle had been lost. Heck, according to some accounts, '''[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sepp_Dietrich even the commander of Hitler's personal bodyguard]]''' had just suggested to his superior commander to negotiate peace with the Allies.

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* Maybe both of these. The SS, like any group, was composed of individuals. They can't ''all'' have been rabid fanatics. And even if they were, this is a fictional movie, and the SS guys we see in the movie are equally fictional, therefore their opinion of Hitler etc. is subject to the whim of the writers. Judging by the Tiger commander's conversation with the SS lieutenant, it seems obvious he's got a fairly cynical and pragmatic world outlook (the dialogue is untranslated but the commander's overall tone and attitude are one of extreme indifference bordering on dry bemusement). Finally, the film is set towards the end of the war when most Germans, apart from the most fanatical even if they were Nazis, had realized that the struggle had been lost. Heck, according to some accounts, '''[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sepp_Dietrich even the commander of Hitler's personal bodyguard]]''' had just suggested to his superior commander to negotiate peace with the Allies.
2nd Jun '16 9:26:19 AM mavacca
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* The SS, like any group, was composed of individuals. They can't ''all'' have been rabid fanatics. And even if they were, this is a fictional movie, and the SS guys we see in the movie are equally fictional, therefore their opinion of Hitler etc. is subject to the whim of the writers. Judging by the Tiger commander's conversation with the SS lieutenant, it seems obvious he's got a fairly cynical and pragmatic world outlook (the dialogue is untranslated but the commander's overall tone and attitude are one of extreme indifference bordering on dry bemusement).
* What would happen to the German tankmen if they get caught, whether by Allies or Germans? They deserted from the German military—and deserting from the SS is bound to be treated harshly if they are taken by Germans--we know that suspected deserters were hanged without trial late in WorldWar2. Since they are wearing US tankmen's uniforms they traded for from Oddball's crew, they can be shot as spies if they are caught by Allies.

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* Maybe both of these. The SS, like any group, was composed of individuals. They can't ''all'' have been rabid fanatics. And even if they were, this is a fictional movie, and the SS guys we see in the movie are equally fictional, therefore their opinion of Hitler etc. is subject to the whim of the writers. Judging by the Tiger commander's conversation with the SS lieutenant, it seems obvious he's got a fairly cynical and pragmatic world outlook (the dialogue is untranslated but the commander's overall tone and attitude are one of extreme indifference bordering on dry bemusement).
bemusement). Finally, the film is set towards the end of the war when Germans, apart from the most fanatical Nazis, had realized that the struggle had been lost. Heck, according to some accounts, '''[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sepp_Dietrich even the commander of Hitler's personal bodyguard]]''' had just suggested to his superior commander to negotiate peace with the Allies.
* What would happen to the German tankmen if they get caught, whether by Allies or Germans? They deserted from the German military—and deserting from the SS is bound to be treated harshly if they are taken by Germans--we know that suspected deserters were hanged without trial late in WorldWar2. Since they are wearing US tankmen's uniforms they traded for from Oddball's crew, they can be shot as spies if they are caught by Allies.
5th Mar '15 5:00:38 PM h27kim
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* What would happen to the German tankmen if they get caught, whether by Allies or Germans? They deserted from the German military—and deserting from the SS is bound to be treated harshly if they are taken by Germans--we know that suspected deserters were hanged without trial late in WorldWar2. Since they are wearing US tankmen's uniforms they traded for from Oddball's crew, they can be shot as spies if they are caught by Allies.
3rd Mar '15 12:22:01 AM h27kim
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*** A lot of American deserters stuck around in France and other parts of Europe after the war, according to the account in [[http://www.npr.org/2013/06/17/189275754/wwii-deserters-stories-of-men-who-left-the-front-lines this recent book]], many after having been involved in some kind of crime. Kelly's gang would be no different, other than the magnitude of what they pulled off, from these RealLife deserters.
13th Nov '14 7:47:03 AM Doc_Loki
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*** Assuming that the "Claremont" is in fact [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clermont,_Haute-Savoie Clermont en Genevois]], it's certainly close enough to the Swiss border to make this plausible (and since it's after the liberation of Paris, it's not too unbelievable that American troops could be that far south).
24th Aug '14 9:13:54 PM flyboy254
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*** By the way Colt speaks to Maitland, one gets the impression the words of the officer busy buying things in Paris isn't going to hold as much weight as the men that were "stuck in a farmhouse for three days".
5th Jul '14 3:53:58 PM Kooshmeister
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* There are 14,000 bars of gold in the stash. (Dankopf states as much.)

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* There are 14,000 bars of gold in the stash. (Dankopf (The German prisoner states as much.)
5th Jul '14 3:53:34 PM Kooshmeister
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** We ''do'' see three members of the Tiger crew besides the commander. They're in the background seen grabbing some boxes just before the commander says they're leaving to Kelly. So that's at least four Germans including the commander.

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** We ''do'' see three members of the Tiger crew besides the commander. They're in the background seen grabbing some boxes just before the commander says they're leaving to Kelly. So that's at least four Germans including the commander.
tank commander, so those three extra guys should be factored in.




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** Alternatively, their idea may have been to hide the gold somewhere in Switzerland and then return and finish fighting the war, with the survivors returning for the gold later. They were close enough to the Swiss border that it's possible they zipped over, then came back possibly later that night or the next day, and during that time they could've thought up a plausible cover story to explain their absence to Colt. Then again, if this is so, why leave the "Up Yours Baby" message for Maitland, which would seem to suggest no intention of returning, as surely Maitland would know who left it?
5th Jul '14 3:50:05 PM Kooshmeister
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* The SS, like any group, was composed of individuals. They can't ''all'' have been rabid fanatics. And even if they were, this is a fictional movie, and the SS guys we see in the movie are equally fictional, therefore their opinion of Hitler etc. is subject to the whim of the writers.

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* The SS, like any group, was composed of individuals. They can't ''all'' have been rabid fanatics. And even if they were, this is a fictional movie, and the SS guys we see in the movie are equally fictional, therefore their opinion of Hitler etc. is subject to the whim of the writers. Judging by the Tiger commander's conversation with the SS lieutenant, it seems obvious he's got a fairly cynical and pragmatic world outlook (the dialogue is untranslated but the commander's overall tone and attitude are one of extreme indifference bordering on dry bemusement).
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