History Headscratchers / JusticeLeagueDoom

8th Oct '15 2:58:54 PM Dragon101
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* Isn't giving an immortal life in prison without possibility of parole ''by definition'' a cruel and unusual punishment, and therefore ''illegal''? The fact that the Justice League didn't bat an eye to this sentence strikes me as odd. Sure he's a really sick fuck, but ''infinity''? Not the thousands or ''maybe'' millions of years he deserves, but an ''infinite'' punishment for a horrible but still finite crime?

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* Isn't giving an immortal life in prison without possibility of parole ''by definition'' a cruel and unusual punishment, and therefore ''illegal''? The fact that the Justice League didn't bat an eye to this sentence strikes me as odd. Sure he's a really sick fuck, but ''infinity''? Not the thousands or ''maybe'' millions of years he deserves, but an ''infinite'' punishment for a horrible but still finite crime?crime?
** "Life" does not actually mean "life" in legal terminology; he'll probably be locked up until he appears to have redeemed himself / humanity has advanced to the point he is less of a threat / he breaks out of prison. Really they just mean "indefinitely".
24th Aug '15 2:58:28 PM RaustBD
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** And a clip from a totally different work is irrelevant to this one.

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** And a clip from a totally different work is irrelevant to this one.one.
* Isn't giving an immortal life in prison without possibility of parole ''by definition'' a cruel and unusual punishment, and therefore ''illegal''? The fact that the Justice League didn't bat an eye to this sentence strikes me as odd. Sure he's a really sick fuck, but ''infinity''? Not the thousands or ''maybe'' millions of years he deserves, but an ''infinite'' punishment for a horrible but still finite crime?
24th Jun '15 5:06:04 AM perfectpieces
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** I guess she was too caught up in the moment? It's not like she can't move to space, anyway.
11th May '15 8:26:21 AM MrDeath
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*** [[https://youtu.be/ZJVvrmLSTsg?t=4m45s Not really.]]

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*** [[https://youtu.be/ZJVvrmLSTsg?t=4m45s Not really.]]]]
** And a clip from a totally different work is irrelevant to this one.
10th May '15 6:11:16 AM christopherweebling1
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** Because that isn't Batman's plan for him. That's something Vandal Savage (and in the original story, Ra's Al Ghul) came up with on his own.

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** Because that isn't Batman's plan for him. That's something Vandal Savage (and in the original story, Ra's Al Ghul) came up with on his own.own.
*** [[https://youtu.be/ZJVvrmLSTsg?t=4m45s Not really.]]
18th Jan '15 3:05:40 PM MrDeath
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*** It might not even be that she's "forced." Cyborg even asks how what she's seeing can be possible, and while she says she doesn't know, her tone adds, "And I don't care." She sees enemies, she fights them -- she's not going to question it much, because she's a warrior and thinks that way.
16th Jan '15 7:39:52 AM MrDeath
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* At the end of the movie Superman asks Batman how he could be so arrogant as to think there shouldn't be a plan to take him down and Batman replies that the Justice League is his plan if he goes rogue. Which is good and well except for the part that the tapes show he does have a plan for himself and Bane uses the plan. That's why Bane takes his parent's bodies. Why not say there is a plan for me?

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* At the end of the movie Superman asks Batman how he could be so arrogant as to think there shouldn't be a plan to take him down and Batman replies that the Justice League is his plan if he goes rogue. Which is good and well except for the part that the tapes show he does have a plan for himself and Bane uses the plan. That's why Bane takes his parent's bodies. Why not say there is a plan for me?me?
** Because that isn't Batman's plan for him. That's something Vandal Savage (and in the original story, Ra's Al Ghul) came up with on his own.
16th Jan '15 1:02:57 AM SeanRenaud
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** Batman does have plans presumably for every known villain and they probably get deployed successfully all the time but we don't get to see story where the villain shows up and is taken down in two moves.



* Doesn't Carol Ferris/Star Sapphire have a family on earth? I can't see her being okay with genocide.

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* Doesn't Carol Ferris/Star Sapphire have a family on earth? I can't see her being okay with genocide.genocide.
* At the end of the movie Superman asks Batman how he could be so arrogant as to think there shouldn't be a plan to take him down and Batman replies that the Justice League is his plan if he goes rogue. Which is good and well except for the part that the tapes show he does have a plan for himself and Bane uses the plan. That's why Bane takes his parent's bodies. Why not say there is a plan for me?
8th Jan '15 5:54:24 AM DoctorNemesis
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**** Fair enough, but my point is that ultimately, it doesn't matter whether what Wonder Woman is seeing isn't far-fetched or impossible from her point of view, because her point of view is completely distorted by an outside source and thus is completely unreliable. Whether she can justify her actions to herself doesn't necessarily make her or her actions rational, because the functions of her mind have been altered to make her act irrationally. The reasons why Wonder Woman thinks the people she's attacking are Cheetah might be rational on some level, but that doesn't make her actions or thought processes rational because the people's she's attacking ''are not Cheetah'', and are not ''going'' to be Cheetah no matter what bullshit logic she might be using to rationalise what's happening to her. Put simply -- she is attacking people because she thinks they're Cheetah, no matter how clear it is that they are ''not'' Cheetah, so any reasons she might devise to justify this to herself are in service of a completely irrational conclusion no matter how rational they might seem to her. In any case, none of this serves to challenge the original response to the OP's conclusion, which is that she doesn't logically come to the conclusion that none of the people she is attacking are Cheetah because she is currently incapable of reaching that conclusion, because her thought processes have been distorted.

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**** Fair enough, but my point is that ultimately, it doesn't matter whether what Wonder Woman is seeing isn't far-fetched or impossible from her point of view, because her point of view is completely distorted by an outside source and thus is completely unreliable. Whether she can justify her actions to herself doesn't necessarily make her or her actions rational, because the functions of her mind have been altered to make her act irrationally. The reasons why Wonder Woman thinks the people she's attacking are Cheetah might be rational on some level, but that doesn't make her actions or thought processes rational because the people's she's attacking ''are not Cheetah'', and are not ''going'' to be Cheetah no matter what bullshit logic she might be using to rationalise what's happening to her. Put simply -- she is attacking people because she thinks they're Cheetah, no matter how clear it is in reality that they are ''not'' Cheetah, so any reasons she might devise to justify this to herself are in service of a completely irrational conclusion no matter how rational they might seem to her. In any case, none of this serves to challenge the original response to the OP's conclusion, which is that she doesn't logically come to the conclusion that none of the people she is attacking are Cheetah because she is currently incapable of reaching that conclusion, because her thought processes have been distorted.
7th Jan '15 3:20:30 AM DoctorNemesis
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**** Fair enough, but my point is that ultimately, it doesn't matter whether what Wonder Woman is seeing isn't far-fetched or impossible from her point of view, because her point of view is completely distorted by an outside source and thus is completely unreliable. Whether she can justify her actions to herself doesn't necessarily make her actions rational, because the functions of her mind have been altered to make her act irrationally. The reasons why Wonder Woman thinks the people she's attacking are Cheetah might be rational on some level, but that doesn't make her actions or thought processes rational because the people's she's attacking ''are not Cheetah'', and are not ''going'' to be Cheetah no matter what bullshit logic she might be using to rationalise what's happening to her. Put simply -- she is attacking people because she thinks they're Cheetah, no matter how clear it is that they are ''not'' Cheetah, so any reasons she might devise to justify this to herself are in service of a completely irrational conclusion no matter how rational they might seem to her. In any case, none of this serves to challenge the original response to the OP's conclusion, which is that she doesn't logically come to the conclusion that none of the people she is attacking are Cheetah because she is currently incapable of reaching that conclusion, because her thought processes have been distorted.
**** Essentially, Wonder Woman has been forced into be believing a false premise. The steps to reaching this premise might be rational if looked at in terms of pure logic, but that doesn't mean that believing the conclusion is also rational, because the conclusion is clearly and demonstrably false.

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**** Fair enough, but my point is that ultimately, it doesn't matter whether what Wonder Woman is seeing isn't far-fetched or impossible from her point of view, because her point of view is completely distorted by an outside source and thus is completely unreliable. Whether she can justify her actions to herself doesn't necessarily make her or her actions rational, because the functions of her mind have been altered to make her act irrationally. The reasons why Wonder Woman thinks the people she's attacking are Cheetah might be rational on some level, but that doesn't make her actions or thought processes rational because the people's she's attacking ''are not Cheetah'', and are not ''going'' to be Cheetah no matter what bullshit logic she might be using to rationalise what's happening to her. Put simply -- she is attacking people because she thinks they're Cheetah, no matter how clear it is that they are ''not'' Cheetah, so any reasons she might devise to justify this to herself are in service of a completely irrational conclusion no matter how rational they might seem to her. In any case, none of this serves to challenge the original response to the OP's conclusion, which is that she doesn't logically come to the conclusion that none of the people she is attacking are Cheetah because she is currently incapable of reaching that conclusion, because her thought processes have been distorted.
**** Essentially, Wonder Woman has been forced into be believing a false premise. The steps to reaching this premise might be rational if looked at in terms of pure logic, but that doesn't mean that believing the conclusion is also rational, because the conclusion is clearly and demonstrably false.
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