History Headscratchers / JohnnyMnemonic

23rd Dec '16 12:52:35 PM SeanMurrayI
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** Why is the corporation even suppressing the cure in the first place? The "treating the disease is more profitable than curing it" rationale is totally flawed; if half the people in the world are victims to this plague yet the evil corporation can stand to reap one hell of a profit from a cure with a very low markup (as well as gain a ton of [[VillainWithGoodPublicity good PR]]--a Nobel Prize for Medicine, anyone?). TomCruise gets to make $20 million-per-movie just because he can get millions of people to pay $10 for a ticket--not by getting a dozen BillGates types to pay a million bucks each. That same logic would apply here; if 500 million people (likely a ''generous'' underestimate for what ''half'' the world population in Gibson's Sprawl universe would be) were suffering from NAS, and the evil corporation sold the cure for a $10 profit[[note]]On top of base fees for base materials, production, and taxes.[[/note]] per sale, the corporation would already have $5 billion in their pocket. Instead, [=PharmaKom=] sells on-going treatments at $2,000-a-pop. How many people out of HALF the entire planet would be expected to be able to pay that much money on a continual basis? [[YouFailEconomicsForever PharmaKom could be making an incredibly easy couple billion dollars by selling something everybody wants at a low price everybody can pay and afford, but instead they only try and sell something very few people could ever have a chance to pay for regularly.]] Again, '''you don't make billions of dollars in profits selling something only a handful of wealthy elites can afford.'''
*** Except that pricing the treatment highly ensures keeps poor people from getting it regularly. Maybe they're [[AnimalWrongsGroup environmentalists]] doing some PopulationControl.

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** * Why is the corporation even suppressing the cure in the first place? The "treating the disease is more profitable than curing it" rationale is totally flawed; if half the people in the world are victims to this plague yet the evil corporation can stand to reap one hell of a profit from a cure with a very low markup (as well as gain a ton of [[VillainWithGoodPublicity good PR]]--a Nobel Prize for Medicine, anyone?). TomCruise gets to make $20 million-per-movie just because he can get millions of people to pay $10 for a ticket--not by getting a dozen BillGates types to pay a million bucks each. That same logic would apply here; if 500 million people (likely a ''generous'' underestimate for what ''half'' the world population in Gibson's Sprawl universe would be) were suffering from NAS, and the evil corporation sold the cure for a $10 profit[[note]]On top of base fees for base materials, production, and taxes.[[/note]] per sale, the corporation would already have $5 billion in their pocket. Instead, [=PharmaKom=] sells on-going treatments at $2,000-a-pop. How many people out of HALF the entire planet would be expected to be able to pay that much money on a continual basis? [[YouFailEconomicsForever PharmaKom could be making an incredibly easy couple billion dollars by selling something everybody wants at a low price everybody can pay and afford, but instead they only try and sell something very few people could ever have a chance to pay for regularly.]] Again, '''you don't make billions of dollars in profits selling something only a handful of wealthy elites can afford.'''
*** ** Except that pricing the treatment highly ensures keeps poor people from getting it regularly. Maybe they're [[AnimalWrongsGroup environmentalists]] doing some PopulationControl.



*** This argument is trivially easy to counter. If they sell the treatments for $10 profit then they make the same money they would from the cure, but they make that money ''indefinitely.''

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*** ** This argument is trivially easy to counter. If they sell the treatments for $10 profit then they make the same money they would from the cure, but they make that money ''indefinitely.''
21st Oct '16 8:24:58 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** Well, the particular laws we're talking about here recognized the "Electronic Ghost Woman" as a Swiss citizen. And whether her being the CEO of a corporation has any added benefit under the law or not, being recognized by a country as an AI citizen should come with the all rights, benefits, and privileges endowed to a citizen of that country, which, in the case of an Artificial Intelligence, protection from foreign threats and viruses would sound like a given (and, hey, if corporate types are getting preferential treatment under the law, well, helloooo, we got a wonderful AI CEO to please). It's just terrible how the filmmakers would come up with such a detailed backstory to both explain and ''justify'' the existence of the AI character only to completely discard it and ignore it by the time they were trying to come up with an exit for the character to make from the movie. [[TheyJustDidntCare They Just Didn't Care]] about some things.

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** Well, the particular laws we're talking about here recognized the "Electronic Ghost Woman" as a Swiss citizen. And whether her being the CEO of a corporation has any added benefit under the law or not, being recognized by a country as an AI citizen should come with the all rights, benefits, and privileges endowed to a citizen of that country, which, in the case of an Artificial Intelligence, protection from foreign threats and viruses would sound like a given (and, hey, if corporate types are getting preferential treatment under the law, well, helloooo, we got a wonderful AI CEO to please). It's just terrible how the filmmakers would come up with such a detailed backstory to both explain and ''justify'' the existence of the AI character only to completely discard it and ignore it by the time they were trying to come up with an exit for the character to make from the movie. [[TheyJustDidntCare They Just Didn't Care]] about some things.
6th Jul '16 7:14:20 AM SeanMurrayI
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*** And, yet, being able to afford and acquire the treatments still did nothing for the well-to-do, definitely-not-poor Takahashi (not to mention an important, powerful figure within [=PharmaKom=]), who lost his young daughter to the disease.
*** Only [=PharmaKom=] is a corporation that is supposed to be marketing products to the public. [[YouFailEconomicsForever And you won't be making much money selling your products if you're actively trying to kill off the general population and your potential consumers.]]

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*** **** And, yet, being able to afford and acquire the treatments still did nothing for the well-to-do, definitely-not-poor Takahashi (not to mention an important, powerful figure within [=PharmaKom=]), who lost his young daughter to the disease.
*** **** Only [=PharmaKom=] is a corporation that is supposed to be marketing products to the public. [[YouFailEconomicsForever And you won't be making much money selling your products if you're actively trying to kill off the general population and your potential consumers.]]



*** ''Not'' "indefinitely"--Takahashi's daughter still died from the disease, despite having easy access to [=PharmaKom's=] readily available treatments.
*** It's "easy to counter" so much that taking this position requires one to stop reading after seeing the phrase "$10 profit" and blatantly disregard where it's pointed out that the bad guys in-story are explicitly '''NOT''' doing this but are, in fact, selling what products they do make publicly available at exorbitantly high prices, like "2 grand-per-clinical unit", that only a much smaller fraction of those suffering from the disease could ever afford to pay on a regular, never-ending regimen.

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*** **** ''Not'' "indefinitely"--Takahashi's daughter still died from the disease, despite having easy access to [=PharmaKom's=] readily available treatments.
*** It's **** And it's "easy to counter" so much that taking this position requires one to stop reading after seeing the phrase "$10 profit" and blatantly disregard where it's pointed out that the bad guys in-story are explicitly '''NOT''' doing this but are, in fact, selling what products they do make publicly available at exorbitantly high prices, like "2 grand-per-clinical unit", that only a much smaller fraction of those suffering from the disease could ever afford to pay on a regular, never-ending regimen.
6th Jul '16 7:13:25 AM SeanMurrayI
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*** Except that pricing the treatment highly ensures keeps poor people from getting it regularly. Maybe they're [[AnimalWrongsGroup environmentalists]] doing some PopulationControl.
*** And, yet, being able to afford and acquire the treatments still did nothing for the well-to-do, definitely-not-poor Takahashi (not to mention an important, powerful figure within [=PharmaKom=]), who lost his young daughter to the disease.

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*** **** Except that pricing the treatment highly ensures keeps poor people from getting it regularly. Maybe they're [[AnimalWrongsGroup environmentalists]] doing some PopulationControl.
*** **** And, yet, being able to afford and acquire the treatments still did nothing for the well-to-do, definitely-not-poor Takahashi (not to mention an important, powerful figure within [=PharmaKom=]), who lost his young daughter to the disease.



*** It's "easy to counter" so much that taking this position requires one to stop reading after seeing the phrase "$10 profit" and blatantly disregard where it's pointed out that the bad guys in-story are explicitly '''NOT''' doing this but are, in fact, selling what products they do make publicly available at exorbitantly high prices, like "2 grand-per-clinical unit", that only a much smaller fraction of those suffering from the disease could ever afford to pay on a regular, never-ending regimen.

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*** **** ''Not'' "indefinitely"--Takahashi's daughter still died from the disease, despite having easy access to [=PharmaKom's=] readily available treatments.
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It's "easy to counter" so much that taking this position requires one to stop reading after seeing the phrase "$10 profit" and blatantly disregard where it's pointed out that the bad guys in-story are explicitly '''NOT''' doing this but are, in fact, selling what products they do make publicly available at exorbitantly high prices, like "2 grand-per-clinical unit", that only a much smaller fraction of those suffering from the disease could ever afford to pay on a regular, never-ending regimen.
5th Jul '16 8:16:16 PM SeanMurrayI
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*** This would greatly damage middle-income classes over an extensive stretch of time as much as it would eliminate lower classes and impoverished, which would ruin the global economy major corporations depend on to thrive and be profitable.
*** Only [=PharmaKom=] is a corporation that is supposed to be marketing products to the public. [[YouFailEconomicsForever And you won't be making much money selling your products if you're actively trying to kill off the general population and your potential consumers.]]

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*** This would greatly damage middle-income classes over an extensive stretch of time as much as it would eliminate lower classes **** And, yet, being able to afford and impoverished, which would ruin acquire the global economy major corporations depend on treatments still did nothing for the well-to-do, definitely-not-poor Takahashi (not to thrive and be profitable.
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mention an important, powerful figure within [=PharmaKom=]), who lost his young daughter to the disease.
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Only [=PharmaKom=] is a corporation that is supposed to be marketing products to the public. [[YouFailEconomicsForever And you won't be making much money selling your products if you're actively trying to kill off the general population and your potential consumers.]]



*** It's "easy to counter" so much that taking this position requires one to stop reading after seeing the phrase "$10 profit" and blatantly disregard where it's pointed out that the bad guys in-story are explicitly '''NOT''' doing this but are, in fact, selling what products they do make publicly available at exorbitantly high prices, like "2 grand-per-clinical unit", that only a much smaller fraction of those suffering from the disease could ever afford to pay on a regular, never-ending regimen.

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*** **** It's "easy to counter" so much that taking this position requires one to stop reading after seeing the phrase "$10 profit" and blatantly disregard where it's pointed out that the bad guys in-story are explicitly '''NOT''' doing this but are, in fact, selling what products they do make publicly available at exorbitantly high prices, like "2 grand-per-clinical unit", that only a much smaller fraction of those suffering from the disease could ever afford to pay on a regular, never-ending regimen.
5th Jul '16 7:07:02 PM SeanMurrayI
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* Shinji shoots [[spoiler: Takahashi]] in the back during the movie's climax. This is done in a way to suggest that the bullets are so powerful that they go straight through [[spoiler: Takahashi's]] torso and exit his chest. The effect looks really cool, but ''Johnny is standing right in front of [[spoiler: Takahashi]] when he's shot''. Why didn't those powerful bullets that exited his chest not continue to travel forward (as rational physics would suggest) and hit Johnny?

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* Shinji shoots [[spoiler: Takahashi]] in the back during the movie's climax. This is done in a way to suggest that the bullets are so powerful that they go straight through [[spoiler: Takahashi's]] torso and exit his chest. The effect looks really cool, but ''Johnny is standing right and Jones's glass fish tank are directly in front of [[spoiler: Takahashi]] when he's shot''. Why didn't those powerful bullets that exited his chest not continue to travel forward (as rational physics would suggest) and hit Johnny?Johnny or Jones?
5th Jul '16 7:01:42 PM SeanMurrayI
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**** This would greatly damage middle-income classes over an extensive stretch of time as much as it would eliminate lower classes and impoverished, which would ruin the global economy major corporations depend on to thrive and be profitable.
22nd Jun '16 8:41:41 AM gewunomox
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*** This argument is trivially easy to counter. If they sell the treatments for $10 profit then they make the same money they would from the the cure, but they make that money ''indefinately.''

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*** This argument is trivially easy to counter. If they sell the treatments for $10 profit then they make the same money they would from the the cure, but they make that money ''indefinately.''indefinitely.''
2nd Dec '15 7:34:45 AM dreamofwritting
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*** TwoWords - [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plausible_deniability Plausible Deniability]]. And they ''do'' call in the army anyway when they lay siege to Lo-Tek headquarters.

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*** TwoWords - Two words: [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plausible_deniability Plausible Deniability]]. And they ''do'' call in the army anyway when they lay siege to Lo-Tek headquarters.
26th Dec '14 4:38:23 PM Quag15
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* The "Corporations Rule" the world. There isn't an independent Switzerland anymore. With the cure released, they're about to have a world-wide FrenchRevolution. They killed her as their parting shot.

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* The "Corporations Rule" the world. There isn't an independent Switzerland anymore. With the cure released, they're about to have a world-wide FrenchRevolution.[[UsefulNotes/TheFrenchRevolution French-style revolution]]. They killed her as their parting shot.
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