History Headscratchers / IndependenceDay

15th Feb '17 5:43:26 PM ekedolphin
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* The President shows a reckless disregard for his own safety throughout the movie. In real life, the Secret Service would've dragged him out of Washington ''long'' before the alien ship attacked that helicopter.
31st Jan '17 5:32:51 AM Adriantancy
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** Taking a page from human history, it is typical for invaders to ride on local infrastructure whenever possible to reduce their own cost or effort. For example, the conquistadors make use of the excellent Incan road system to help them conquer Peru, and in WW2, some advancing Allied units used the existing telephone system in Germany to call in and convince mayors in some German towns to surrender early.
23rd Jan '17 4:12:02 PM ScorpiusOB1
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** There's no way they could keep the Sun between the mothership and Earth, at least assuming they did come at sublight speeds and at large distances from the Sun -they'd have to move very fast- and as for the albedo thing, we've detected asteroids as dark as the mothership, if not more, and considerably smaller at several hundred million kilometers. While it can be handwaved with the aliens' approach vector having a high inclination respect to the ecliptic the thing would have been spotted sooner or later, first as an unexpected star, even by amateur astronomers (and, as per the Sun, the mothership would have to move quite fast in order to be always behind the Moon when approaching). Of course if they've FTL of any kind, especially one ''a la'' VideoGame/{{StarControl}} where you cannot jump hyperspace until you are far away enough of a planetary system, the latter is somewhat moot.

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** There's no way they could keep the Sun between the mothership and Earth, at least assuming they did come at sublight speeds and at large distances from the Sun -they'd have to move very fast- and as for the albedo thing, we've detected asteroids as dark as the mothership, if not more, and considerably smaller at several hundred million kilometers. While it can be handwaved with the aliens' approach vector having a high inclination respect to the ecliptic the thing would have been spotted sooner or later, first as an unexpected star, even by amateur astronomers (and, as per the Sun, the mothership would have to move quite fast in order to be always behind the Moon when approaching). Of course if they've FTL of any kind, especially one ''a la'' VideoGame/{{StarControl}} ''VideoGame/{{StarControl}}'' where you cannot jump hyperspace until you are far away enough of a planetary system, the latter is somewhat moot.


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** The movie's novel states that the mothership was much closer to the Moon than to the Earth. While it removes the above issues on our planet, now is poor Luna the one that will face them ''and'' to a much larger degree because of the considerably smaller difference of mass -not to mention the HUGE mess caused on it when the mothership blows up and its debris hits the Moon-
22nd Jan '17 3:57:54 PM ScorpiusOB1
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** There's no way they could keep the Sun between the mothership and Earth, at least assuming they did come at sublight speeds and at large distances from the Sun -they'd have to move very fast- and as for the albedo thing, we've detected asteroids as dark as the mothership, if not more, and considerably smaller at several hundred million kilometers. While it can be handwaved with the aliens' approach vector having a high inclination respect to the ecliptic the thing would have been spotted sooner or later, first as an unexpected star, even by amateur astronomers (and, as per the Sun, the mothership would have to move quite fast in order to be always behind the Moon.)

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** There's no way they could keep the Sun between the mothership and Earth, at least assuming they did come at sublight speeds and at large distances from the Sun -they'd have to move very fast- and as for the albedo thing, we've detected asteroids as dark as the mothership, if not more, and considerably smaller at several hundred million kilometers. While it can be handwaved with the aliens' approach vector having a high inclination respect to the ecliptic the thing would have been spotted sooner or later, first as an unexpected star, even by amateur astronomers (and, as per the Sun, the mothership would have to move quite fast in order to be always behind the Moon.)Moon when approaching). Of course if they've FTL of any kind, especially one ''a la'' VideoGame/{{StarControl}} where you cannot jump hyperspace until you are far away enough of a planetary system, the latter is somewhat moot.
22nd Jan '17 3:54:16 PM ScorpiusOB1
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** There's no way they could keep the Sun between the mothership and Earth, at least assuming they did come at sublight speeds and at large distances from the Sun -they'd have to move very fast- and as for the albedo thing, we've detected asteroids as dark as the mothership, if not more, and considerably smaller at several hundred million kilometers. While it can be handwaved with the aliens' approach vector having a high inclination respect to the ecliptic the thing would have been spotted sooner or later, first as an unexpected star, even by amateur astronomers (and, as per the Sun, the mothership would have to move quite fast in order to be always behind the Moon.)
26th Oct '16 7:49:48 AM LtFedora
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** The LA ship doesn't fire a second pulse. It shoots the targeting beam, fires the pulse, then keeps the targeting beam active for at least a minute, even after all of downtown LA has been flattened. Could be a production mistake, of course.
17th Oct '16 7:59:45 PM YT45
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** Just because it was written on a Mac doesn't mean it has to affect a Mac. The computer is just a tool to send a signal into the alien system. We can send computer signals through phonelines, radios, or even optic nerves. The hard part is the interface. Since Jeff discovered that the aliens were interfacing with our systems, deliberately or not, all he had to do was figure out a) how to reverse that process and b) discover how the alien systems arranged their command protocol structure. From there it would have been simple to scramble that structure at least for the time needed to destroy the mothership.

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** Just because it was written on a Mac doesn't mean it has to affect a Mac. The computer is just a tool to send a signal into the alien system. We can send computer signals through phonelines, radios, or even if optic nerves. The hard part is the interface. Since Jeff discovered that the aliens were interfacing with our systems, deliberately or not, all he had to do was figure out a) how to reverse that process and b) discover how the alien systems arranged their command protocol structure. From there it would have been simple to scramble that structure at least for the time needed to destroy the mothership.


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** The "firecracker in your hand" explanation given in ''Film/{{Armageddon}}'' applies here. That not-exactly-small nuclear explosion inside the mothership heavily overpressurizes the interior of the hull (a sealed container) in less than a second. Nothing is going to hold ''that'' in. It may not instantly disintegrate into tiny pieces as shown, but it's still getting torn asunder.
17th Oct '16 7:51:43 PM YT45
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** Posting from the American southwest in 2016, and we're still doing good on water. Electric bills, on the other hand...
28th Sep '16 2:01:35 PM Antediluvial
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** Those panels don't look particularly weak, they're easily half a building thick. Punching through them would probably require a bit of firepower.



* How do the city destroyers choose their obliteration targets? At first I thought it was generally the tallest and most central building in each city (the fact that U.S Bank Tower in LA and the ESB in New York are the targets there supports this somewhat) but then that theory is blown apart by the White House in D.C being the target there (it is not the tallest building in the city by a long shot, the Washington Monument is the tallest in the city proper, nor is it centrally located, the Capitol Building is considered most central). Other scenes in the movie, especially news broadcasts seem to also dispute this (in Paris, the target isn't known, but it isn't the Eiffel Tower, which is the tallest structure in Paris).

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* How do the city destroyers choose their obliteration targets? At first I thought it was generally the tallest and most central building in each city (the fact that U.S Bank Tower in LA and the ESB in New York are the targets there supports this somewhat) but then that theory is blown apart by the White House in D.C being the target there (it is not the tallest building in the city by a long shot, the Washington Monument is the tallest in the city proper, nor is it centrally located, the Capitol Building is considered most central). Other scenes in the movie, especially news broadcasts seem to also dispute this (in Paris, the target isn't known, but it isn't the Eiffel Tower, which is the tallest structure in Paris).Paris, though my theory is it's either the Louvre or La Defense).




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**The LA ship firing a second pulse I think is a mistake, because there's no reason to fire it again as the wave is already propogating past Downtown and into the surrounding areas. Why the White House starts blowing up when the beam fires is probably because unlike the US Bank Tower and ESB, the White House (to my knowledge) is primarily a stone structure with steel interior framing and is much older. The ESB and USBT are steel structures and are relatively new. The beam caused the building to start losing structural integrity and catch fire. The beam that is fired is likely a "designator" beam, then the main pulse rides down the beam to the target. Until the main pulse is ready, the beam is inert.
1st Sep '16 6:22:54 PM CockroachCharlie
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** He is also seen with the president several times prior to the initial attack. At any of these points he could have brought up what is now extremely relevant information.
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