History Headscratchers / IdentityCrisis

12th Sep '17 2:12:35 AM Silverblade2
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* This has more to do with the fallout from the premises and retcons ''Identity Crisis'' set up, but: after the revelation that a group within the League had been engaging in mindwipes on a regular basis when villains discovered their secret identities and such, other DC series(es?) revealed in turn that seemingly-reformed villains like Flash's old-school Rogues and Catwoman were actually brainwashed by Zatanna into goodness (or, in the case of the Rogues, she brainwashed one who then attacked the rest). But in the meantime, while she was neutralizing burglars and bank robbers, menaces like SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker who actually killed and maimed people were still running around apparently unaffected. Zatanna's priorities might need a little work.

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* This has more to do with the fallout from the premises and retcons ''Identity Crisis'' set up, but: after the revelation that a group within the League had been engaging in mindwipes on a regular basis when villains discovered their secret identities and such, other DC series(es?) revealed in turn that seemingly-reformed villains like Flash's old-school Rogues and Catwoman were actually brainwashed by Zatanna into goodness (or, in the case of the Rogues, she brainwashed one who then attacked the rest). But in the meantime, while she was neutralizing burglars and bank robbers, menaces like SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker ComicBook/TheJoker who actually killed and maimed people were still running around apparently unaffected. Zatanna's priorities might need a little work.
11th Aug '17 4:44:06 AM Ansongc2000
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** She's a coward. In fiction at least, it's fairly common for women to pull romantic stunts like this instead of make the first move.


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*** We have only her word that she didn't intend to kill Sue. It'd explain why she supposedly thought making a pregnant woman faint briefly would scare every hero back to their loved ones.


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** I think we're supposed to take it that he is that cold. Remember in Cry For Justice (I know it's painful, but try), that he insisted that he wasn't a hero, and brutally tortured someone? This story was probably meant to show his SanitySlippage. When he learned that her idiotic, immature attempt to regain he affections were the cause of all the death and consternation in the story, he wasn't even going to give her the dignity of a trial or confronting the relatives of her victims. He just declared her insane and chucked her in a hellhole with the same kind of people she worked with during her scheme, where he knows she'll probably go insane for real and/or be killed. As for the whole "knowing everyone's secret identity" thing, it's an IdiotPlot, and he was going into Countdown soon, so he might not have cared.
4th Jul '17 12:02:56 AM Wickedcoolghost
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* Did Jean really think arming and warning Jack Drake, an untrained civilian, would allow him to kill Captain Boomerang? Boomerang regularly battles actual superheroes, and has presumably slaughtered SWAT teams and broken banks singlehandedly.

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* Did Jean really think arming and warning Jack Drake, an untrained civilian, would allow him to kill Captain Boomerang? Boomerang regularly battles actual superheroes, and has presumably slaughtered SWAT teams and broken banks singlehandedly.single-handedly.
*Don't the few clues we get seem to point to Ray having committed the crimes? There's the two footprints in the brain, the mysterious male figure that ties Jean up, and Jean's supposed motive for killing Sue makes much more sense if it were Ray. The comics just makes more sense if Ray was the killer originally and then they changed it at the last second.
3rd Jul '17 11:24:14 PM Wickedcoolghost
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**Joss Whedon's introduction to the collected edition makes a point about this: the story takes something that we all already knew about the DC universe and points out how fucked up it actually is. It's supposed to make you re-evaluate all those moments where heros are mind-raping villains. Whether it has that kind of payoff for you is a different question, of course.
19th May '17 7:39:33 PM Ansongc2000
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* Did Jean really think arming and warning Jack Drake, an untrained civilian, would allow him to kill Captain Boomerang? Boomerang regularly battles actual superheroes, and has presumably slaughtered SWAT teams and broken banks singlehandedly.
21st Oct '16 8:22:41 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* This one is sort of minor compared to most of the others posted already, but why the hell was Kyle sitting at the League conference table at the end? He was in space at the time due to events in his own series. Now granted, his presence throughout most of the series could be explained as that he decided to come back briefly for Sue's funeral and the investigation into her death, but that still doesn't change the fact that he left the League and handed his seat to John Stewart before leaving Earth--and we saw John at the funeral, too. What, [[TheyJustDidntCare Meltzer just didn't care]]?

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* This one is sort of minor compared to most of the others posted already, but why the hell was Kyle sitting at the League conference table at the end? He was in space at the time due to events in his own series. Now granted, his presence throughout most of the series could be explained as that he decided to come back briefly for Sue's funeral and the investigation into her death, but that still doesn't change the fact that he left the League and handed his seat to John Stewart before leaving Earth--and we saw John at the funeral, too. What, [[TheyJustDidntCare Meltzer just didn't care]]?What?
26th Sep '16 8:59:08 PM TheNewBig
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* For that matter, where do they get the idea that mindwiping in this case is so immoral anyway? As I understand it, the villains abused their powers, took over the heroes's minds, learned their secrets, and were within a hair of bringing serious harm and/or their friends and families until the League stepped in. What "right" to these sadistic scumbags have to this stolen information that they ripped out of the JLA's heads to begin with? Especially considering it has one purpose, and one purpose only: Hurt them through the people they love.

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* For that matter, where do they get the idea that mindwiping in this case is so immoral anyway? As I understand it, the villains abused their powers, took over the heroes's minds, learned their secrets, and were within a hair of bringing serious harm and/or ''death'' to their friends and families until the League stepped in. What "right" to these sadistic scumbags have to this stolen information that they ripped out of the JLA's heads to begin with? Especially considering it has one purpose, and one purpose only: Hurt them through the people they love.
26th Sep '16 8:57:40 PM TheNewBig
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* For that matter, where do they get the idea that mindwiping in this case is so immoral anyway? As I understand it, the villains abused their powers, took over the heroes's minds, learned their secrets, and were within a hair of bringing serious harm and/or their friends and families until the League stepped in. What "right" to these sadistic scumbags have to this stolen information that they ripped out of the JLA's heads to begin with? Especially considering it has one purpose, and one purpose only: Hurt them through the people they love.
26th Sep '16 8:47:58 PM TheNewBig
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** While Dr. Light's crime was horrible, perhaps she just felt that the punishment was inhumane, recognizing that Dr. Light is still human and that lobotomizing him would be a huge breach of ethics, even in the treatment of a rapist. Superheroes are usually very cautious in dealing out punishment themselves as it can lead to JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope.

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** While Dr. Light's crime was horrible, perhaps she just felt that Not very. Seems to be character derailment for pretty much everyone involved, such as the punishment was inhumane, recognizing that Dr. Light is still human and that lobotomizing him would be a huge breach of ethics, even in liberal Arrow being on the treatment of a rapist. Superheroes are usually very cautious in dealing out punishment themselves as it can lead to JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope."for" side.
26th Sep '16 8:42:40 PM TheNewBig
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** Hawkman going with the vote for the double mindwipes is actually easy to explain: Since Batman was there and fought Light, if Light was just straight out killed on the satellite, then Batman would still know that Light was there earlier. And even if they got the Atom to help with a cover up, there's still the fact that Batman was still there. "What happened to Light?" "Oh, he's in jail and incidentally went straight and we'll never see him again." And of course, killing Batman was straight out never going to happen; killing a hero for trying to stop a Mind Rape, a prominent hero at that? The cabal didn't even decide to mindwipe Batman until after Zatanna prevented Light's mindwipe from being stopped and Hawkman pointed out that mindwiping Batman was the only realistic alternative possible.

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** Hawkman going with the vote for the double mindwipes is actually easy to explain: Since Batman was there and fought Light, if Light was just straight out killed on the satellite, then Batman would still know that Light was there earlier. And even if they got the Atom to help with a cover up, there's still the fact that Batman was still there. "What happened to Light?" "Oh, he's in jail and incidentally went straight and we'll never see him again." And of course, killing Batman was straight out never going to happen; killing a hero for trying to stop a Mind Rape, a prominent hero at that? The cabal didn't even decide to mindwipe Batman until after Zatanna prevented Light's mindwipe from being stopped and Hawkman pointed out that mindwiping Batman was the only realistic alternative possible.
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