History Headscratchers / IdentityCrisis

8th Sep '16 6:59:40 AM Tron80
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*** Good points all around, but Meltzer seems to get ProtectionFromTheEditor when he writes for DC, so I think he got free reign to do whatever he wanted for the story. And what he wanted was to write about UsefulNotes/{{the Silver Age|of Comic Books}}. I didn't care very much for all the focus on Green Arrow either, especially with how he comes off as an asshole at times, but it's what he wanted. I think the Silver-Age Focus got even worse with his relaunch of the Justice League.

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*** Good points all around, but Meltzer seems to get ProtectionFromTheEditor ProtectionFromEditors when he writes for DC, so I think he got free reign to do whatever he wanted for the story. And what he wanted was to write about UsefulNotes/{{the Silver Age|of Comic Books}}. I didn't care very much for all the focus on Green Arrow either, especially with how he comes off as an asshole at times, but it's what he wanted. I think the Silver-Age Focus got even worse with his relaunch of the Justice League.
11th Jul '16 12:03:17 PM calli11298
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*** It is clear that Batman's intervention was to stop them from lobotomizing Dr. Light, as they had already erased his memories of what he had done to Sue. Ollie ordered Zatanna to make Dr. Light forget what he did after he said he would brag about it to his prison buddies and do it again, and she did, but Carter decided it wasn't enough, hence the whole vote to lobotomize him. It is clear that Batman was trying to stop the lobotomy; the mindwipe was already done.
25th Dec '15 5:49:40 PM nombretomado
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*** Good points all around, but Meltzer seems to get ProtectionFromTheEditor when he writes for DC, so I think he got free reign to do whatever he wanted for the story. And what he wanted was to write about the SilverAge. I didn't care very much for all the focus on Green Arrow either, especially with how he comes off as an asshole at times, but it's what he wanted. I think the Silver-Age Focus got even worse with his relaunch of the Justice League.

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*** Good points all around, but Meltzer seems to get ProtectionFromTheEditor when he writes for DC, so I think he got free reign to do whatever he wanted for the story. And what he wanted was to write about the SilverAge.UsefulNotes/{{the Silver Age|of Comic Books}}. I didn't care very much for all the focus on Green Arrow either, especially with how he comes off as an asshole at times, but it's what he wanted. I think the Silver-Age Focus got even worse with his relaunch of the Justice League.
22nd Dec '15 12:19:43 PM cdrood
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*** Actually, it isn't. Until Jack Drake's murder there's no evidence whatsoever that anyone's identity has been compromised. Both Ralph Dibny''s and Ray Palmer's identities were public knowledge. Ray and Jean even authorized a book about their lives. It's why Dr. Light's threat after raping Sue held no water. He had no more insight into the identities of the heroes than he'd had before.
30th Oct '15 1:13:33 AM Tuomas
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* So just where do they get the idea that somehow people think the heroes didn't go around mind-wiping villains (and bystanders for that matter) who learned a hero's secret ID? Particularly that somehow Superman, one of the most common mind-wipers, was too 'moral' to go around doing it? He once wiped Lana Lang's memories for a 24hr period while in college just after she briefly found his costume in a book she'd borrowed (must have made class fun the next day when she realized she'd lost an entire day's memories). It was such a common thing for heroes to do in the Silver Age that Green Lantern once complained to the Flash how overdone it was when Major Disaster revealed their secret ID to their girlfriends (he wasn't above leaving out that bit though when a convenient memory loss for everyone in the area due to the villain's actions required him to use his ring to restore their memories). If there was something Super-heroes weren't above doing in the Silver Age it was mind-wiping people including loved ones to hide their or someone else's secret ID. They only became moral enough to stop doing that AFTER the original Crisis.

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* So just where do they get the idea that somehow people think the heroes didn't go around mind-wiping villains (and bystanders for that matter) who learned a hero's secret ID? Particularly that somehow Superman, one of the most common mind-wipers, was too 'moral' to go around doing it? He once wiped Lana Lang's memories for a 24hr period while in college just after she briefly found his costume in a book she'd borrowed (must have made class fun the next day when she realized she'd lost an entire day's memories). It was such a common thing for heroes to do in the Silver Age that Green Lantern once complained to the Flash how overdone it was when Major Disaster revealed their secret ID to their girlfriends (he wasn't above leaving out that bit though when a convenient memory loss for everyone in the area due to the villain's actions required him to use his ring to restore their memories). If there was something Super-heroes weren't above doing in the Silver Age it was mind-wiping people including loved ones to hide their or someone else's secret ID. They only became moral enough to stop doing that AFTER the original Crisis.Crisis.
** The Crisis made some big retroactive changes to the pasts of most superheroes, particularly Superman. Post-Crisis, most of the things he was shown to do in Silver Age never happened, so presumably that applies to various cases of mindwiping too.

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5th Oct '15 2:25:32 PM SilentStranger
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*** This segment is basically RuleOfCool and MemeticBadass. Black Canary being disabled is atleast somewhat belivable if we assume that bag is some kind of special material. Flash, its still pretty stupid but atleast looks somewhat belivable. Whats really unforgivable is Green Lantern, because THE DAMN RING DOESNT WORK LIKE THAT. Yes, willpower is required to use the ring, but you still have to be chosen bu the Guardians and fit the Green criteria. You cant just grab it off a Lantern because you're strong willed. I can accept him beating all the other heroes in that chapter, but NOT Rayner.
15th Sep '15 7:52:06 PM nombretomado
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** The fact that this story made that revision seem like a good idea is in itself horrible in that, PreCrisis, the League was much like a police agency where the heroes got along well. In an Alan Moore penned story for Swamp Thing that featured the League, they referred to each other by name, making them seem more (ironically as it sounds) human and friendlier to each other (always referring each other as their hero names always seems like a weird idea, especially if they were supposed to have worked together for years).

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** The fact that this story made that revision seem like a good idea is in itself horrible in that, PreCrisis, pre-ComicBook/{{Crisis|on Infinite Earths}}, the League was much like a police agency where the heroes got along well. In an Alan Moore penned story for Swamp Thing that featured the League, they referred to each other by name, making them seem more (ironically as it sounds) human and friendlier to each other (always referring each other as their hero names always seems like a weird idea, especially if they were supposed to have worked together for years).
4th Sep '14 6:46:39 PM C60
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**** Was Jean actually put on trial for it? As I remember it, Ray himself signed the papers committing her to Arkham.
9th Mar '14 6:27:24 AM alchixinren
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** Their reasoning was probably influenced by the fact that a flamethrower, much like a chainsaw, is a ''hideously impractical'' weapon, and that nobody would use one unless they periodically would have cause to carry one.
11th Dec '13 5:31:52 PM Nightmask
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* When they decided to make Dr Light a more threatening villain, why didn't they think that [[LightIsNotGood his powers]] could make him a heavy hitter? Think about what he could do with manipulating light: he could generate red sunlight to pacify Superman, or try to make HardLight constructs to deal with GreenLantern. Or just glow brighter than a thousand suns to blind his enemies, or even use the more direct "fry them with light." Manipulating other spectrums of light could also become an option. Why settle for [[MoralEventHorizon making him extra evil]] instead of exploiting the potential of his powers?

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* When they decided to make Dr Light a more threatening villain, why didn't they think that [[LightIsNotGood his powers]] could make him a heavy hitter? Think about what he could do with manipulating light: he could generate red sunlight to pacify Superman, or try to make HardLight constructs to deal with GreenLantern. Or just glow brighter than a thousand suns to blind his enemies, or even use the more direct "fry them with light." Manipulating other spectrums of light could also become an option. Why settle for [[MoralEventHorizon making him extra evil]] instead of exploiting the potential of his powers?powers?
* So just where do they get the idea that somehow people think the heroes didn't go around mind-wiping villains (and bystanders for that matter) who learned a hero's secret ID? Particularly that somehow Superman, one of the most common mind-wipers, was too 'moral' to go around doing it? He once wiped Lana Lang's memories for a 24hr period while in college just after she briefly found his costume in a book she'd borrowed (must have made class fun the next day when she realized she'd lost an entire day's memories). It was such a common thing for heroes to do in the Silver Age that Green Lantern once complained to the Flash how overdone it was when Major Disaster revealed their secret ID to their girlfriends (he wasn't above leaving out that bit though when a convenient memory loss for everyone in the area due to the villain's actions required him to use his ring to restore their memories). If there was something Super-heroes weren't above doing in the Silver Age it was mind-wiping people including loved ones to hide their or someone else's secret ID. They only became moral enough to stop doing that AFTER the original Crisis.
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