History Headscratchers / HowlsMovingCastle

28th Nov '16 9:29:30 AM pearlyglasses
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*** True, but in the movie, Turnip Head being the Prince was definitely an AssPull. That one bit of dialog hinting at the lost Prince being the cause of the war was different in the original Japanese version. The three men were just talking about how the war was "going to be terrible". They just added that tiny bit of Foreshadowing in the English dub.

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*** True, but in the movie, Turnip Head being the Prince was definitely an AssPull. That one bit of dialog hinting at the lost Prince being the cause of the war was different in the original Japanese version. The three men were just talking about how the war was "going to be terrible". They just added that tiny bit of Foreshadowing ForeShadowing in the English dub.
28th Nov '16 9:22:02 AM pearlyglasses
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*** True, but in the movie, Turnip Head being the Prince was definitely an AssPull. That one bit of dialog hinting at the lost Prince being the cause of the war was different in the original Japanese version. The three men were just talking about how the war was "going to be terrible". They just added that hint in the English dub.

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*** True, but in the movie, Turnip Head being the Prince was definitely an AssPull. That one bit of dialog hinting at the lost Prince being the cause of the war was different in the original Japanese version. The three men were just talking about how the war was "going to be terrible". They just added that hint tiny bit of Foreshadowing in the English dub.
28th Nov '16 9:19:45 AM pearlyglasses
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*** [[spoler: Except really. The scarecrow was a golem made by the Wizard Suliman to guard the garden he was creating in the Waste, which is where the Witch caught them together. Suliman cast all his magic into the golem and ordered it to 'come to his recue', but the Witch had taken his body to pieces and the scarecrow ran out of juice before he could get to any of the pieces (until Sophie spoke life back into him). Meanwhile, the Witch kidnapped Prince Justin, combined some of his body bits with some of Suliman's body bits, then used the extra bits to make a second body, to which Justin's head was attached, while Suliman's head was sold off as a skull. * The Justin headed body with weird mixed up memories accidentally led the Witch to Sophie, and was then turned into a dog with the parting words of "Off you run. I'll call you when I need you." * Suliman's skull was bought by Howl, and later absorbed into the scarecrow that echoed Suliman's power. * And the other body, the headless one, was with the Witch, waiting for Howl to come, so she could take Howl's head, for the body, to make a perfect man, which was actually for the Witch's demon to take possession of since the Witch's heart was just about dead.]]

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*** [[spoler: [[spoiler: Except really. The scarecrow was a golem made by the Wizard Suliman to guard the garden he was creating in the Waste, which is where the Witch caught them together. Suliman cast all his magic into the golem and ordered it to 'come to his recue', rescue', but the Witch had taken his body to pieces and the scarecrow ran out of juice before he could get to any of the pieces (until Sophie spoke life back into him). Meanwhile, the Witch kidnapped Prince Justin, combined some of his body bits with some of Suliman's body bits, then used the extra bits to make a second body, to which Justin's head was attached, while Suliman's head was sold off as a skull. * The Justin headed body with weird mixed up memories accidentally led the Witch to Sophie, and was then turned into a dog with the parting words of "Off you run. I'll call you when I need you." * Suliman's skull was bought by Howl, and later absorbed into the scarecrow that echoed Suliman's power. * And the other body, the headless one, was with the Witch, waiting for Howl to come, so she could take Howl's head, for the body, to make a perfect man, which was actually for the Witch's demon to take possession of since the Witch's heart was just about dead.]]
*** True, but in the movie, Turnip Head being the Prince was definitely an AssPull. That one bit of dialog hinting at the lost Prince being the cause of the war was different in the original Japanese version. The three men were just talking about how the war was "going to be terrible". They just added that hint in the English dub.
27th Sep '16 11:36:21 AM pearlyglasses
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* Did Howl actually write a doctoral thesis on spells and charms in Wales or was that just something he said to Miss Angorian in reference to being Mrs. Pentstemmon's pupil? I'm not really sure about the details, but shouldn't it take around 3-4 years or more to complete a doctorate degree? However, Howl is only 27 years old (10,000 days old by midsummer) when the story takes place. I am assuming (please correct me if I'm wrong) he took a bachelor's degree first, which would typically take 4 years. Add another year or two to complete a master's degree and then another three to four years to finish a doctorate degree. That would make him already around 26 or 27 years old by the time he completes his doctorate degree, right? Unless my assumptions about how post grad education works is wrong, of course - can one take a master's degree right out of high school? Anyways, it doesn't seem to add up since in the book, Calcifer said that Howl set up shop as Jenkin the Sorcerer in Porthaven five years before the story starts, so Howl was only 22 then. Another thing that's been bothering me is that Mrs. Pentstemmon only stopped teaching three years before the story takes place. Since Howl was her last pupil, it means she was teaching him until three years ago, which is weird because it means he has already made a contract with Calcifer and was also set up as a professional sorcerer while he was under Mrs. Pentstemmon's tutelage. It gets even weirder because if he set up as Sorcerer Jenkin when he was 22, that means he'd already learned magic before that point. So he either learned magic through his studies at the university back in Wales or Howl came to Ingary and became Mrs. Pentstemmon's pupil a few years before he turned 22 years old. Can someone please clarify these things?
18th Jul '16 6:36:51 PM anotherj
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*** Computers in the home didn't become commonplace until the late 80s. It's more likely that the book technically takes place in the time that it was written, 1986.
11th May '16 9:25:13 PM BURGINABC
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\n* Who cursed the prince? And why? Was there a conspiracy to start a war on purpose? I don't quite get it.
3rd Apr '16 6:59:30 PM FlashSteps
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** While this troper is likewise uncertain as to whether or not the curse actually broke, she was under the impression that it simply didn't matter anymore. The curse made her age according to how she felt (when she felt insecure she turned old and when she felt more confident, she became her own age). [[spoiler:When she saves Howl at the end of the film and compliments her hair, the fact that she didn't blush and deny it (like she did the last time he said she was pretty), but instead happily agreed was an indicator that she was no longer suffering from self-esteem issues like she used to. Thus, she wouldn't age anyway, whether or not she was still cursed.]]

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** While this troper is I am likewise uncertain as to whether or not the curse actually broke, she I was under the impression that it simply didn't matter anymore. The curse made her age according to how she felt (when she felt insecure she turned old and when she felt more confident, she became her own age). [[spoiler:When she saves Howl at the end of the film and compliments her hair, the fact that she didn't blush and deny it (like she did the last time he said she was pretty), but instead happily agreed was an indicator that she was no longer suffering from self-esteem issues like she used to. Thus, she wouldn't age anyway, whether or not she was still cursed.]]



**** This troper believes that the spell was never broken in the traditional fashion - rather, Sophie is (unknowingly) a witch, and when she's upset/in love/ confident in herself, her magic is strong enough to throw the spell off. The silver hair is a remnant of the unbroken spell.

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**** This troper believes I believe that the spell was never broken in the traditional fashion - rather, Sophie is (unknowingly) a witch, and when she's upset/in love/ confident in herself, her magic is strong enough to throw the spell off. The silver hair is a remnant of the unbroken spell.



** This Troper always interpreted that as her attempting to do to Howl what she did to the Witch of the Waste, draining or severing his magic. The same stick figures appeared around the Witch when it happened to her.

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** This Troper I always interpreted that as her attempting to do to Howl what she did to the Witch of the Waste, draining or severing his magic. The same stick figures appeared around the Witch when it happened to her.
15th Jan '16 3:26:53 PM TheDoolio
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**I don't think that's necessarily what he meant. He said "hearts change," not referring to Sophie, but to himself. He meant that he would go home, get over Sophie, then come back to hang out with his new friends.
17th Nov '15 7:34:57 PM pearlyglasses
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*** It's important to note though, that The Wastes from the book and the movie are two entirely different places. In the movie, it's all hills and greenery, and it's where Howl's castle was first seen. In the book, however, The Wastes is actually a desert wasteland where the Witch of the Wastes actually lives, and is the place Howl avoids at first. So in the book, Sophie would not have had any reason to head to The Wastes, since the Witch lives there, and she wouldn't be able to find anyone who can break her curse there. In the movie, it was implied that she could have been heading towards Upper Folding to find her sister since in the book, the real Lettie was supposed to be studying magic there. Upper Folding was located just past the hills surrounding Market Chipping, Sophie's home town.
19th Oct '15 8:05:25 AM Gigglepud
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* So Howl's original plan in dealing with the Witch of the Waste counted on [[spoiler: Sulliman being alive?]] What exactly was his original plan? How would that have changed anything?
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