History Headscratchers / HowlsMovingCastle

13th Sep '17 9:31:18 PM NOYB
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*** I don't think she was using the war as an excuse to track down rogues, so much as she used the fact that magicians were being enlisted into the army to coax in the Witch, who was a 'greater power.' Howl's coxing, was a 50/50 shot, hoping that he could be broken of the demon and be reverted to good in order to take over her own role someday, but being willing to kill/de-magic him if she couldn't manage the first. ** An aside to the "Howl found his true love", the movie is based firmly in the 'true love cures all' cliché, the book didn't have *anything* solved or broken BY love. In fact, Howl's curse was completed when he fell in love. But it was care and love for others that caused everyone to try to help everyone else in general. ** And her comment to "end this silly war" is simply an expression. She has divined the location of the prince, who the movie war is centered around, and she's going to tell the king he's been found, and diplomacy should start up. If he really wanted, the king *could* just tell Suliman to shove it and keep the war going under the pretense of 'see, we didn't take him, but now we're angry and gonna woop you.'

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*** I don't think she was using the war as an excuse to track down rogues, so much as she used the fact that magicians were being enlisted into the army to coax in the Witch, who was a 'greater power.' Howl's coxing, was a 50/50 shot, hoping that he could be broken of the demon and be reverted to good in order to take over her own role someday, but being willing to kill/de-magic him if she couldn't manage the first. ** An aside to the "Howl found his true love", the movie is based firmly in the 'true love cures all' cliché, the book didn't have *anything* solved or broken BY love. In fact, Howl's curse was completed when he fell in love. But it was care and love for others that caused everyone to try to help everyone else in general. ** And her comment to "end this silly war" is simply an expression. She has divined the location of the prince, who whom the movie war is centered around, and she's going to tell the king he's been found, and diplomacy should start up. If he really wanted, the king *could* just tell Suliman to shove it and keep the war going under the pretense of 'see, we didn't take him, but now we're angry and gonna woop you.'


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*** No, it was black in the past.
13th Sep '17 9:29:49 PM NOYB
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*** With a possible extra step, that under those circumstances the only way that Howl could ''reverse'' his transformation into a monster was with Suleiman's help.

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*** With a possible extra step, that under those circumstances the only way that Howl could ''reverse'' his transformation into a monster was with Suleiman's Suliman's help.



** Madame Suleiman didn't start the war for Howl, but she ''was'' using the war as an excuse to track down and neutralize rogue witches and wizards. She tricked the Witch of the Waste into coming to the royal palace with an invitation supposedly motivated by the need for magic users in the war, but drained her of her powers instead. Madame Suliman was also going to try to catch Howl since she believed he was destined to be become a monster after losing his heart. The "game" she referred to was her attempts to capture Howl. Ending the war was a separate goal that only became attainable when she saw that the missing Prince had been found.

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** Madame Suleiman Suliman didn't start the war for Howl, but she ''was'' using the war as an excuse to track down and neutralize rogue witches and wizards. She tricked the Witch of the Waste into coming to the royal palace with an invitation supposedly motivated by the need for magic users in the war, but drained her of her powers instead. Madame Suliman was also going to try to catch Howl since she believed he was destined to be become a monster after losing his heart. The "game" she referred to was her attempts to capture Howl. Ending the war was a separate goal that only became attainable when she saw that the missing Prince had been found.
13th Sep '17 9:29:27 PM NOYB
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* Near the end of the movie, Madame Sueliman says "Howl found his true love. The game is over"...and immediately decides to end the war. Now, that strongly implies that she started the war to get Howl to find his true love. Did she really kill hundreds merely to teach a former student a lesson?

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* Near the end of the movie, Madame Sueliman Suliman says "Howl found his true love. The game is over"...and immediately decides to end the war. Now, that strongly implies that she started the war to get Howl to find his true love. Did she really kill hundreds merely to teach a former student a lesson?
13th Sep '17 9:27:00 PM NOYB
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*** Or it could be that she's been waiting for a chance to change things for the better. Note at the end when she receives Hein's communique that she requests a meeting with the prime minister to end the war-''not'' the king seen earlier in the movie enthusiastically reviewing battle plans. It could be mirroring the decline of royal influence in politics after World War I.

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*** Or it could be that she's been waiting for a chance to change things for the better. Note at the end when she receives Hein's Heen's communique that she requests a meeting with the prime minister to end the war-''not'' the king seen earlier in the movie enthusiastically reviewing battle plans. It could be mirroring the decline of royal influence in politics after World War I.
13th Sep '17 9:25:55 PM NOYB
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*** Huh? Suliman is the king's royal sorceress, not his wife (as far as we know), and the lost prince is the prince of the ''other'' kingdom.
13th Sep '17 9:23:15 PM NOYB
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** Along this line, why do Sophie and he sister have English accents when her mother has an American accent?

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** Along this line, why do Sophie and he her sister have English accents when her mother has an American accent?




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** Old Sophie does sound English as well.
13th Sep '17 9:20:20 PM NOYB
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*** Didn't go out of there way, or really even to encourage the notion. More like, a pure wishful heart type of power, than any sort of innate sorcery, other than her self opinion/concern influencing the Witch's spell of course.

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*** Didn't go out of there their way, or really even to encourage the notion. More like, a pure wishful heart type of power, than any sort of innate sorcery, other than her self opinion/concern influencing the Witch's spell of course.
13th Sep '17 9:14:40 PM NOYB
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** The subtext, in the movie at least, is that Madam Sullivan ''knows'' that Sophie isn't really Howl's mother and is only playing along for politeness' sake. Everyone else probably assumes that either age has not been kind to Mrs. Pendragon, or Howl cast some sort of spell on her that backfired.

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** The subtext, in the movie at least, is that Madam Sullivan Madame Suliman ''knows'' that Sophie isn't really Howl's mother and is only playing along for politeness' sake. Everyone else probably assumes that either age has not been kind to Mrs. Pendragon, or Howl cast some sort of spell on her that backfired.



** It's also possible that everyone assumed Howl, vain as he is, was magically reversing the effects of age on his body and really much older than he appeared. Of course, Madam Sullivan knows because she taught him, but everyone else...

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** It's also possible that everyone assumed Howl, vain as he is, was magically reversing the effects of age on his body and really much older than he appeared. Of course, Madam Sullivan Madame Suliman knows because she taught him, but everyone else...



* So Howl's original plan in dealing with the Witch of the Waste counted on [[spoiler: Sulliman being alive?]] What exactly was his original plan? How would that have changed anything?

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* So Howl's original plan in dealing with the Witch of the Waste counted on [[spoiler: Sulliman Suliman being alive?]] What exactly was his original plan? How would that have changed anything?



* From what I saw, the first times she comes to her own age (when she's sleeping and when she changes in front of madame Sulliman) the hair color still changes to her original brown, so I think the gray color stayed because it took her too long to break the curse.

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* From what I saw, the first times she comes to her own age (when she's sleeping and when she changes in front of madame Sulliman) Madame Suliman) the hair color still changes to her original brown, so I think the gray color stayed because it took her too long to break the curse.



** Who's to say that she ''is'' happy? She seems to view her job with a calm practicality, that she's doing what has to be done. Throughout the movie though, we see that the wizards and witches who become involved with war and the military are ultimately slaves and screwed for life. It could be that Sulliman is just as miserable and hides it, in which case we know that she's ''still'' in the service of the king and forced to obey him.

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** Who's to say that she ''is'' happy? She seems to view her job with a calm practicality, that she's doing what has to be done. Throughout the movie though, we see that the wizards and witches who become involved with war and the military are ultimately slaves and screwed for life. It could be that Sulliman Suliman is just as miserable and hides it, in which case we know that she's ''still'' in the service of the king and forced to obey him.



** Madame Suleiman didn't start the war for Howl, but she ''was'' using the war as an excuse to track down and neutralize rogue witches and wizards. She tricked the Witch of the Waste into coming to the royal palace with an invitation supposedly motivated by the need for magic users in the war, but drained her of her powers instead. Madam Suleiman was also going to try to catch Howl since she believed he was destined to be become a monster after losing his heart. The "game" she referred to was her attempts to capture Howl. Ending the war was a separate goal that only became attainable when she saw that the missing Prince had been found.

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** Madame Suleiman didn't start the war for Howl, but she ''was'' using the war as an excuse to track down and neutralize rogue witches and wizards. She tricked the Witch of the Waste into coming to the royal palace with an invitation supposedly motivated by the need for magic users in the war, but drained her of her powers instead. Madam Suleiman Madame Suliman was also going to try to catch Howl since she believed he was destined to be become a monster after losing his heart. The "game" she referred to was her attempts to capture Howl. Ending the war was a separate goal that only became attainable when she saw that the missing Prince had been found.
13th Aug '17 9:37:40 AM Zozma
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*** You have to work backward from the end of the film to understand what's going on. We know based on the ending that Suliman's spirits were fallen stars. We know that Calcifer is also a fallen star. We know that Calcifer enhances Howl's magic. We know that too much magic causes Howl's transformation into a monster to speed up. We know that Suliman's objective is to either get Howl back under her wing or to put him down. Putting all that together, we can deduce that Suliman was using the fallen stars to make Howl's magic go haywire, thus turning him into a monster and, presumably, giving Suliman the opportunity to kill him. I think the wave and the sky illusion are meant to be displays of power (Sophie and the Witch of the Wastes require contact with Howl in order to withstand them), but that's mostly conjecture.
10th Jun '17 5:53:57 PM Hong00
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*** 2) He used his knowledge of the 'normal world' technology and science to appear much more knowledgeable and powerful. If, say, he brought a flashlight one day, villagers would be amazed at his ability to produce light without fire. He would return the objects to their rightful place, of course, and never bring anything TOO impressive like, say, a TV. Just enough to do the trick and establish him as an amazing wizard.

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*** 2) He As for making a name for himself as a (or multiple) wizard(s), he used his knowledge of the 'normal world' technology and science to appear much more knowledgeable and powerful. If, say, he brought a flashlight one day, villagers would be amazed at his ability to produce light without fire. He would return the objects to their rightful place, of course, and never bring anything TOO impressive like, say, a TV. Just enough to do the trick and establish him as an amazing wizard. Of course, this is more WMG than anything.
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