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11th May '16 9:25:13 PM BURGINABC
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\n* Who cursed the prince? And why? Was there a conspiracy to start a war on purpose? I don't quite get it.
3rd Apr '16 6:59:30 PM FlashSteps
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** While this troper is likewise uncertain as to whether or not the curse actually broke, she was under the impression that it simply didn't matter anymore. The curse made her age according to how she felt (when she felt insecure she turned old and when she felt more confident, she became her own age). [[spoiler:When she saves Howl at the end of the film and compliments her hair, the fact that she didn't blush and deny it (like she did the last time he said she was pretty), but instead happily agreed was an indicator that she was no longer suffering from self-esteem issues like she used to. Thus, she wouldn't age anyway, whether or not she was still cursed.]]

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** While this troper is I am likewise uncertain as to whether or not the curse actually broke, she I was under the impression that it simply didn't matter anymore. The curse made her age according to how she felt (when she felt insecure she turned old and when she felt more confident, she became her own age). [[spoiler:When she saves Howl at the end of the film and compliments her hair, the fact that she didn't blush and deny it (like she did the last time he said she was pretty), but instead happily agreed was an indicator that she was no longer suffering from self-esteem issues like she used to. Thus, she wouldn't age anyway, whether or not she was still cursed.]]



**** This troper believes that the spell was never broken in the traditional fashion - rather, Sophie is (unknowingly) a witch, and when she's upset/in love/ confident in herself, her magic is strong enough to throw the spell off. The silver hair is a remnant of the unbroken spell.

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**** This troper believes I believe that the spell was never broken in the traditional fashion - rather, Sophie is (unknowingly) a witch, and when she's upset/in love/ confident in herself, her magic is strong enough to throw the spell off. The silver hair is a remnant of the unbroken spell.



** This Troper always interpreted that as her attempting to do to Howl what she did to the Witch of the Waste, draining or severing his magic. The same stick figures appeared around the Witch when it happened to her.

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** This Troper I always interpreted that as her attempting to do to Howl what she did to the Witch of the Waste, draining or severing his magic. The same stick figures appeared around the Witch when it happened to her.
15th Jan '16 3:26:53 PM TheDoolio
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**I don't think that's necessarily what he meant. He said "hearts change," not referring to Sophie, but to himself. He meant that he would go home, get over Sophie, then come back to hang out with his new friends.
17th Nov '15 7:34:57 PM pearlyglasses
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*** It's important to note though, that The Wastes from the book and the movie are two entirely different places. In the movie, it's all hills and greenery, and it's where Howl's castle was first seen. In the book, however, The Wastes is actually a desert wasteland where the Witch of the Wastes actually lives, and is the place Howl avoids at first. So in the book, Sophie would not have had any reason to head to The Wastes, since the Witch lives there, and she wouldn't be able to find anyone who can break her curse there. In the movie, it was implied that she could have been heading towards Upper Folding to find her sister since in the book, the real Lettie was supposed to be studying magic there. Upper Folding was located just past the hills surrounding Market Chipping, Sophie's home town.
19th Oct '15 8:05:25 AM Gigglepud
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* So Howl's original plan in dealing with the Witch of the Waste counted on [[spoiler: Sulliman being alive?]] What exactly was his original plan? How would that have changed anything?
16th Aug '15 11:04:10 PM Rebekkane
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*From what I saw, the first times she comes to her own age (when she's sleeping and when she changes in front of madame Sulliman) the hair color still changes to her original brown, so I think the gray color stayed because it took her too long to break the curse.
28th May '15 12:38:40 AM Kediil
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* A question I've got, from book to film.. So, they transferred *every* name properly, speaking, ish. Except Michael. My question is, and this may in fact be unanswerable, but did Michael, become Markl, simply from a Japanese pronunciation meltdown that got lost in the subs? And then the US just said 'yeah, that's what we heard alright'. Especially considering they changed about some of the wording, and added 'this makes sense' bits, where Miyazaki actually tried to stick to the book when able. ** Side note. I can't stand that they make the two soldiers sound like friggin pedos in the dub. >..<
28th May '15 12:35:41 AM Kediil
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** ~1~ Howl's black portal leads back to Wales, with the point in time matching up to current day. And his nephew has a computer. ".. the main magic box had a glass front.. seemed to be showing writing and diagrams more than pictures..", the boys are playing a computer game, a text based one. So one should probably assume that the time period is somewhere in the 1960s - 70s, since that was the dawning era of more immersive games, ex. Zork, Hitchikers.

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** ~1~ Howl's black portal leads back to Wales, with the point in time matching up to current day. And his nephew has a computer. ".. the main magic box had a glass front.. seemed to be showing writing and diagrams more than pictures..", the boys are playing a computer game, a text based one. So one should probably assume that the time period is somewhere in the 1960s - 70s, since that was the dawning era of more immersive games, ex. Zork, Hitchikers.Hitchhikers.


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* A question I've got, from book to film.. So, they transferred *every* name properly, speaking, ish. Except Michael. My question is, and this may in fact be unanswerable, but did Michael, become Markl, simply from a Japanese pronunciation meltdown that got lost in the subs? And then the US just said 'yeah, that's what we heard alright'. Especially considering they changed about some of the wording, and added 'this makes sense' bits, where Miyazaki actually tried to stick to the book when able. ** Side note. I can't stand that they make the two soldiers sound like friggin pedos in the dub. >..<
27th May '15 11:11:32 PM Kediil
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* I was trying to figure out a time period and a time frame for the happenings in the book, and have a couple of things I figured I'd toss in here.
** ~1~ Howl's black portal leads back to Wales, with the point in time matching up to current day. And his nephew has a computer. ".. the main magic box had a glass front.. seemed to be showing writing and diagrams more than pictures..", the boys are playing a computer game, a text based one. So one should probably assume that the time period is somewhere in the 1960s - 70s, since that was the dawning era of more immersive games, ex. Zork, Hitchikers.
** ~2~ -- I'll put this in shortly, for the thoughts on timeline.


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27th May '15 11:05:06 PM Kediil
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** Technically speaking.. In the movie, the only time Sophie's 'age' is mentioned, is by her mother Honey/Fanny saying that she sounds 'like some 90 year old woman'. But no other reference is made to her age other than sideways mentions of 'old' and 'granny'. In the book, Sophie's age is again only mentioned once, when Mrs. Pentsemmon mentions she herself is 86, asks Sophie's age, to which she tosses out a casual '90' "that being the first high number that came into her head."

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** Technically speaking.. In the movie, the only time Sophie's 'age' is mentioned, is by her mother Honey/Fanny saying that she sounds 'like some 90 year old woman'. But no other reference is made to her age other than sideways mentions of 'old' and 'granny'. In the book, Sophie's age is again only mentioned once, when Mrs. Pentsemmon mentions she herself is 86, asks Sophie's age, to which she tosses out a casual '90' "that being the first high number that came into her head."
" Though when she's first transformed, she does note in her head that her legs look like those of a 90 year old woman.




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** I've been making little book references anyhow, so I thought I would aside, that in the book, Howl is actually Howell Jenkins, from our own world's Wales, England, in approximately 1960s-80s (they have computers with word based video games). He grew up, with magic he had to hide, and actually went all the way through a Doctorate at University, before finding his way to Ingary, where he took up true study of magic (likely majoring in anthropology with a focus on 'magic', his doctoral thesis was on charms and spells). In the book, the black door takes him back to Wales, where his sister's family lives. So it's sort of his past, in that he came from there. He does make mention that he could visit any time in his personal past if he really wanted to though, even his own christening.
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