History Headscratchers / HouseOfCardsUS

22nd Aug '16 10:44:00 PM Killztwice
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** Seems to vary to me. Season 4 draws heavy comparisons between him and Nixon, then later makes the comparison between the Underwoods and the Clintons almost {{anvilicious}} before the season finale turns them into Bush and Cheney. I think the overriding theme here is that Frank represents the worst aspects of every modern president with few if any of their positive qualities.


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** The finale for season 4 puts Claire pretty firmly in the role of Dick Cheney to Franks' George W. Given that the popular perception - and really, reality - of Cheney was the puppet master behind Bush, it's not a terrible modern analogy to Lady Macbeth.


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** Consider that in the real life 2016 election, the republican nominee is also married to an immigrant, and that caused him virtually no problems until after he had already clinched the nomination, and as of this post remains to be seen whether or not it will have any real impact on whether he wins or loses. If anything Conway's marriage might win him a few points with progressives and the left in general; given that he has a happy, love-based marriage with an immigrant, it would help dismiss perception of him being a jingoist. Not that being married to an immigrant dismissed that notion for the real life nominee, but as far as we can tell from the show, Conway didn't run his campaign on jingoistic, xenophobic, anti-immigrant policies like his real life counterpart did, nor is there the implication that he's been married multiple times like his real life counterpart has, nor is the apparent perception or implication that his marriage is based on money, like his real life counterpart's marriage is perceived. General point being, for all the writers probably thought it was outthere for the republican nominee to be married to an immigrant, reality once again proved stranger than fiction.
22nd Aug '16 10:23:55 PM Killztwice
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** It is worth noting that this mentality isn't necessarily something the writers could have reasonably predicted; the real life 2016 election cycle has been extremely unorthodox, defying predictions from many political pundits even during the heat of it. The show was written and shot considerably in advance of that, so can be forgiven for misreading the political climate. It's also debatable how true the OP's assertion really is - Hillary did end up winning the democratic nomination, though the reasons for that are varied and her hawkish foreign policy stance has been as much a hindrance to her with progressives as it's been a boon, and many of the least hawkish Republicans were relatively quick to drop out, with only Kasich lasting for any substantial length of time. Trump's message on foreign policy was/is considerably less consistent than Cruz's, but it's no less hawkish and militaristic; if anything it's moreso given his comments to the effect of being open to the use of nukes. So, really, we ended up with the two biggest warhawks on both sides being the nominees; that almost certainly wasn't the deciding factor among the democrats but it may well have been among the republicans. Also worth mentioning that while Cruz and Trump are deeply establishment in reality despite having a public perception of being anti-establishment, the two most standard establishment politicians on the right, Kasich and Jeb, were, again, among the least militaristic, hawkish, and fearmongering in the republican primary.
7th Aug '16 8:38:08 AM Varia_Heimt
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** It'd be entirely Seth's word against Doug's; there isn't actually any real evidence that Doug did assault Seth. Yeah, there's some broken glass, but it's a bit of a stretch to say that's enough to warrant anyone believing that it happened. Glasses break all the time, it doesn't mean anyone's throat's getting cut. So even if Seth did go to the police, Doug couldn't get into any hot water and Seth would probably just position himself in relative opposition to Frank (not a happy place to be in.)
17th Jul '16 10:58:58 AM TheBookWasBetter
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** It should be noted that while the show includes parallels to real life events, the 2016 political climate in the show stems from an alternate history that seems to diverge from ours at some undefined time between 9/11 and 2008. As a result, the American public of the show has different priorities and attitudes than those that exist in real life. For example, there are few references to the Iraq war in House of Cards, suggesting that it may have been more successful and short-lived than in real life. Another example is that the show's US appears to have a much bigger energy problem and greater dependency on Russian oil than in reality.
17th Jul '16 10:37:54 AM TheBookWasBetter
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** In one scene, Conway borrows a staffer's phone to make a personal call to Frank. As the above troper noted, he probably only uses his primary phone for things he doesn't mind being made public.
17th Jul '16 8:13:29 AM dmcreif
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*** That would explain one of the scenes where he's talking with the leadership about to vet as VP running mate. Frank says that they don't know if his liver will last him the full term so they need someone who will be capable of leading if Frank gives out. The fact that Frank says 2024 instead of 2028 is like him suggesting that he probably won't even last half of his term.

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*** That would explain one of the scenes where he's talking with the leadership about who to vet tap as a VP running mate. Frank says that they don't know if his liver will last him the full term so they need to vet someone who will be capable of leading stepping up if Frank gives out. doesn't survive the full length of the term. The fact that Frank says 2024 instead of 2028 is like him suggesting that he probably won't even last half of may have doubts he makes it to January 20, 2019 (since the TwentyFifthAmendment loophole says that a Vice-President who becomes President more than halfway through an unexpired term can be elected to two full terms in his term.or her own right).
12th Jul '16 8:04:26 AM BanjoTCat
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** Because everyone would react the same way: "We don't care; you should have just given the liver to the president!" She has good ethical reasons for adhering to the priority list, but she's in a publicly indefensible position. Holding her ground would accomplish nothing, losing her job in the process, and the period of turnover might jeopardize recipients already on the list.
8th Jul '16 1:48:16 PM BanjoTCat
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** The things he's said to the fourth wall would have brought him ruin so many times throughout the series. There's no point in lying to us and it's plainly obvious that he doesn't care how we feel about him, only that we know why he does what he does.


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** It's Claire's style of interaction, to quickly give the relationship a personal slant and then use that intimacy to get what she needs. If someone asks you "Are you in love?" and you want to conversation to continue cordially, you're going to have to answer it. Once you do, you'll be divulging all sorts of things and before you know it, you feel like you can trust this person since you've shared so much together.


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** I don't think Underwood intentionally bombed the debate. It was an early stumble on his part, getting overly confident and trying to be clever in his takedown of Spinella. The upside of it was that Spinella felt safe enough to meet with Underwood privately, leading to the [[{{Wounded Gazelle Gambit}} Wounded Gazelle Gambit]].
28th Jun '16 8:38:35 AM BanjoTCat
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** It's been established that he is a genius in the field of computer and information sciences. Geniuses throughout history have exhibited eccentric behavior. This scene provided a framing device for the montage of his program working and gave his character some memorable traits.


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** Where else can Seth go after burning down his bridge with the White House? He'd be out of a job and now has a big target on his back from the Underwood administration. He doesn't quite know the extent by which Stamper will protect Underwood and the administration (i.e. murder), but this glass incident is a taste of what he's willing to do. There really is nothing to be gained everything to lose by bringing in the police.
25th Jun '16 8:06:07 AM dmcreif
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*** That would explain one of the scenes where he's talking with the leadership about to vet as VP running mate. Frank says that they don't know if his liver will last him the full term so they need someone who will be capable of leading if Frank gives out. The fact that Frank says 2024 instead of 2028 is like him suggesting that he probably won't even last half of his term.


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* Watching "Chapter 47", Yates comes by the White House to help with speechwriting. Claire is pulled out of the meeting due to the news of Brockhart's resignation. And Yates asks [=LeAnn=], "Does she [Claire] actually give a shit about guns?" That's a good question actually: do the Underwoods genuinely care about gun control or was that arc entirely about weeding out potential running mates who could challenge Claire at the DNC? I say this because I would think, as the target of an assassination attempt from an illegally obtained firearm, Frank probably would be in favor of gun reform of some kind.
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