History Headscratchers / HouseOfCardsUS

14th Apr '18 5:39:13 PM nombretomado
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** Someone on IMDb suggested something interesting: America Works ''could'' work, depending on how Frank decides to implement it. If such a thing existed it sure would be best if it were used to revive industries we've lost or are losing to foreign trade. And that is not a knock against foreign trade, but there are a lot of things America could do better, quality wise, and there is a wealth of knowledge that's been lost in the real world to outsourcing overseas (Examples: There are very few steel mills, we lost textiles decades ago, we won't even let Americans answer phones for customer service at call centers, etc.). But on the flip side of that, and this isn't meant to demean those that are unemployed, how much we would notice a less than 10% job increase among our population? If that is the amount needed to reach total employment, presumably spread across countless industries and skill levels (even if skewed to some degree toward unskilled labor), would it change our current issues which still include stagnant wages, inflation, shrinking middle class, high personal debt, a housing market too inflated for most to buy into, increasing rent, etc.? Frank even proposes around $500 billion in funds to make it happen, which is more than we ever spent on the financial bailout in 2008. Amworks could be a "jobs-for-all" program or a program that includes jobs that require special skills and part of that job will train a work force in the technical skills needed that we currently have to fill with people out of the country. There are many possibilities so its certainly an interesting concept but its success is context specific, otherwise it's really just welfare if it can't be built upon.

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** Someone on IMDb Website/IMDb suggested something interesting: America Works ''could'' work, depending on how Frank decides to implement it. If such a thing existed it sure would be best if it were used to revive industries we've lost or are losing to foreign trade. And that is not a knock against foreign trade, but there are a lot of things America could do better, quality wise, and there is a wealth of knowledge that's been lost in the real world to outsourcing overseas (Examples: There are very few steel mills, we lost textiles decades ago, we won't even let Americans answer phones for customer service at call centers, etc.). But on the flip side of that, and this isn't meant to demean those that are unemployed, how much we would notice a less than 10% job increase among our population? If that is the amount needed to reach total employment, presumably spread across countless industries and skill levels (even if skewed to some degree toward unskilled labor), would it change our current issues which still include stagnant wages, inflation, shrinking middle class, high personal debt, a housing market too inflated for most to buy into, increasing rent, etc.? Frank even proposes around $500 billion in funds to make it happen, which is more than we ever spent on the financial bailout in 2008. Amworks could be a "jobs-for-all" program or a program that includes jobs that require special skills and part of that job will train a work force in the technical skills needed that we currently have to fill with people out of the country. There are many possibilities so its certainly an interesting concept but its success is context specific, otherwise it's really just welfare if it can't be built upon.



* This was noted by another IMDb user: but in Frank's speech where he outlines America Works, apparently pensions appear to be in the list of things on the chopping block. Is Frank seriously saying that people aren't entitled to the pensions they worked towards and contributed to over their (decades-long) careers? Money taken from their paychecks and set aside for their retirement, Frank's proposing to just take that away? How could that be a SERIOUS suggestion/plan? Even if Frank just meant the government old age pensions, that's still seriously messed up, especially for people with disabilities or handicaps, or people currently living off that pension - so his plan is to take 65-100 year-old peoples' pensions away and force them to work as Wal-Mart greeters until they die? What happens when they have a stroke/whatever on the job and they have to be hospitalized with their ZERO health insurance, since I remember Medicaid is also on the chopping block, and apparently Americans think universal healthcare is communist?

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* This was noted by another IMDb [=IMDb=] user: but in Frank's speech where he outlines America Works, apparently pensions appear to be in the list of things on the chopping block. Is Frank seriously saying that people aren't entitled to the pensions they worked towards and contributed to over their (decades-long) careers? Money taken from their paychecks and set aside for their retirement, Frank's proposing to just take that away? How could that be a SERIOUS suggestion/plan? Even if Frank just meant the government old age pensions, that's still seriously messed up, especially for people with disabilities or handicaps, or people currently living off that pension - so his plan is to take 65-100 year-old peoples' pensions away and force them to work as Wal-Mart greeters until they die? What happens when they have a stroke/whatever on the job and they have to be hospitalized with their ZERO health insurance, since I remember Medicaid is also on the chopping block, and apparently Americans think universal healthcare is communist?



* This is something I saw on IMDb: So knowing that Rachel is alive, Doug tracks Gavin down, gets the information from him and then leaves him alive after giving him a death threat. But it would seem, at least as the IMDb poster put it: isn't Gavin Orsay more of a threat than Rachel Posner ever could've been? Rachel was a homeless hooker. Who would've believed her even if she wanted to go say something about Peter Russo? What proof did she have that Doug paid her to sleep with Peter and get him drunk? She seemed disinterested in [[{{Scandalgate}} Russogate]]. However, Gavin seemed ''very interested'' in Russogate - he took it upon himself to try to blackmail Doug about Rachel. He tricked Doug into unlocking his passport, even tried to use extortion to get his friend's release. He showed that he was cunning and an opportunist. Yet Doug let HIM live? What Doug did to Rachel was probably more for his own sanity and getting rid of what he believes is the cause of his relapse into alcoholism (and thus kept him from being the loyal number 2 to Frank), rather than truly taking care of loose ends, but letting Gavin live seems far more detrimental, considering what Gavin has proven to be capable of. So is this oversight or are the writers setting up a potential plot thread for season 4?

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* This is something I saw on IMDb: [=IMDb=]: So knowing that Rachel is alive, Doug tracks Gavin down, gets the information from him and then leaves him alive after giving him a death threat. But it would seem, at least as the IMDb [=IMDb=] poster put it: isn't Gavin Orsay more of a threat than Rachel Posner ever could've been? Rachel was a homeless hooker. Who would've believed her even if she wanted to go say something about Peter Russo? What proof did she have that Doug paid her to sleep with Peter and get him drunk? She seemed disinterested in [[{{Scandalgate}} Russogate]]. However, Gavin seemed ''very interested'' in Russogate - he took it upon himself to try to blackmail Doug about Rachel. He tricked Doug into unlocking his passport, even tried to use extortion to get his friend's release. He showed that he was cunning and an opportunist. Yet Doug let HIM live? What Doug did to Rachel was probably more for his own sanity and getting rid of what he believes is the cause of his relapse into alcoholism (and thus kept him from being the loyal number 2 to Frank), rather than truly taking care of loose ends, but letting Gavin live seems far more detrimental, considering what Gavin has proven to be capable of. So is this oversight or are the writers setting up a potential plot thread for season 4?



* Another one off IMDb: shouldn't Frank be haunted by the possibility that Zoe Barnes' phone may have, even by pure luck/divine intervention, managed to stay intact when she was hit by the train? Yes, he asked her to delete the messages, but of course that doesn't really mean anything when they are presumably still recoverable off the device (just because you deleted something from a phone does not necessarily mean it's gone forever). When she fell, what happened to the phone? Was it destroyed? Did it land somewhere near the tracks? Did the police bag it? I mean, considering the whole plot with Gavin Orsay, I would think the old phone would come up if it linked her to Frank assuming it was still intact (plus, if it were intact, I think the cops might check the records regardless of whether or not they think her death was an accident). There is a lot of data you can pull off that thing.

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* Another one off IMDb: Website/IMDb: shouldn't Frank be haunted by the possibility that Zoe Barnes' phone may have, even by pure luck/divine intervention, managed to stay intact when she was hit by the train? Yes, he asked her to delete the messages, but of course that doesn't really mean anything when they are presumably still recoverable off the device (just because you deleted something from a phone does not necessarily mean it's gone forever). When she fell, what happened to the phone? Was it destroyed? Did it land somewhere near the tracks? Did the police bag it? I mean, considering the whole plot with Gavin Orsay, I would think the old phone would come up if it linked her to Frank assuming it was still intact (plus, if it were intact, I think the cops might check the records regardless of whether or not they think her death was an accident). There is a lot of data you can pull off that thing.



* This is something I want to ask: why do a lot of fans (at least on IMDb) seem to think Freddy's outburst in season 4 was uncalled for? I think Freddy was justified, to the point that I see a couple different interpretations of how Freddy views Frank:

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* This is something I want to ask: why do a lot of fans (at least on IMDb) [=IMDb=]) seem to think Freddy's outburst in season 4 was uncalled for? I think Freddy was justified, to the point that I see a couple different interpretations of how Freddy views Frank:
12th Jan '18 11:45:40 AM Dragon101
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* Franks plan for Russo to become Governor of Pennsylvania was genuine; he honestly wanted him to get it, albeit for selfish reasons. But the goal was that he would be bad at it, make unpopular decisions, and pressure the sitting Vice-President (who is increasingly sidelined over the remainder of the term) to want to return to his old job and kick this incompetent newcomer out...in the second election, meanwhile Frank curries favour with the President, proves himself to be a HypercompetentSidekick who excels at every task, and gets himself in the position that the current Vice-President wants to retire and Walker seriously eyes Frank as his replacement...in the ''second'' election. So, in a way, everything went exactly as planned, but ''waaaayy'' ahead of schedule, because Russo went off script and tried to get out from under Franks thumb, plus personal issues and other matters intervened. So, Frank gambled that he could convince the VP to retire immediately - unprecedented, but doable- if he managed to get Russo to publicly humiliate himself as soon as possible, and in turn he was currently on good enough terms with Walker (and had soiled the other potential candidates) that he might be suggested as VP after all. In other words, Franks original EvilPlan would not have seen him become Vice-President until season 4 / 5; Russo forced him to move up his timetable.

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* Franks plan for Russo to become Governor of Pennsylvania was genuine; he honestly wanted him to get it, albeit for selfish reasons. But the goal was that he would be bad at it, make unpopular decisions, decisions (because Frank is ordering him to), and pressure the sitting Vice-President (who is increasingly sidelined over the remainder of the term) to want to return to his old job and kick this incompetent newcomer out...in the second election, meanwhile Frank curries favour with the President, proves himself to be a HypercompetentSidekick who excels at every task, and gets himself in the position that the current Vice-President wants to retire and Walker seriously eyes Frank as his replacement...in the ''second'' election. So, in a way, everything went exactly as planned, but ''waaaayy'' ahead of schedule, because Russo went off script and tried to get out from under Franks thumb, plus personal issues and other matters intervened. So, Frank gambled that he could convince the VP to retire immediately - unprecedented, but doable- if he managed to get Russo to publicly humiliate himself as soon as possible, and in turn he was currently on good enough terms with Walker (and had soiled the other potential candidates) that he might be suggested as VP after all. In other words, Franks original EvilPlan would not have seen him become Vice-President until season 4 / 5; Russo forced him to move up his timetable.
12th Jan '18 11:44:21 AM Dragon101
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* Franks plan for Russo to become Governor of Pennsylvania was genuine; he honestly wanted him to get it, albeit for selfish reasons. But the goal was that he would be bad at it, make unpopular decisions, and pressure the sitting Vice-President (who is increasingly sidelined over the remainder of the term) to want to return to his old job and kick this incompetent newcomer out...in the second election, meanwhile Frank curries favour with the President, proves himself to be a HypercompetentSidekick who excels at every task, and gets himself in the position that the current Vice-President wants to retire and Walker seriously eyes Frank as his replacement...in the ''second'' election. So, in a way, everything went exactly as planned, but ''waaaayy'' ahead of schedule, because Russo went off script and tried to get out from under Franks thumb, plus personal issues and other matters intervened. So, Frank gambled that he could convince the VP to retire immediately - unprecedented, but doable- if he managed to get Russo to publicly humiliate himself as soon as possible, and in turn he was currently on good enough terms with Walker (and had soiled the other potential candidates) that he might be suggested as VP after all. In other words, Franks original EvilPlan would not have seen him become Vice-President until season 4 / 5; Russo forced him to move up his timetable.
12th Jan '18 11:05:28 AM Dragon101
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** "Read my lips- I did not have sexual relations with that woman."
12th Jan '18 10:02:14 AM Dragon101
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** Given the seriousness of the allegations against him that would be extremely risky. Especially since there is no benefit to national security or anything like that in such a gagging order; the charges against him would paint him as a menace to society who is willing to endanger the entire country, topple the government and possibly murder a man just for the sake of his own ego. He has to get people to ''enforce'' this gag order and that requires hinting at the truth, which even as corrupt a place as ([[OurLawyersAdvisedThisTrope this version of]]) Washington D.C. would find abhorrent and crazy.
6th Jan '18 6:15:30 PM nombretomado
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This means, Frank Underwood theoretically could end up being President from October 2014 to January 20, 2025. Walker's first term in office was almost halfway complete, so in theory, those last approximately 26 months on Walker's term ''theoretically'' might not count against him in regards to the two-term limit. I say ''theoretically'' because of another real life case: Nixon stepped down less than halfway through his second term in office. Thus, Gerald Ford served out the last 29 months of Nixon's term, and thus he would have been eligible to be elected in his own right only once - in 1976, which he lost to JimmyCarter. So, unless Underwood has some manipulation tactics up his sleeve, it could be possible that he will only be eligible to be elected in his own right for 2016, and will have to leave office in 2021.

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This means, Frank Underwood theoretically could end up being President from October 2014 to January 20, 2025. Walker's first term in office was almost halfway complete, so in theory, those last approximately 26 months on Walker's term ''theoretically'' might not count against him in regards to the two-term limit. I say ''theoretically'' because of another real life case: Nixon stepped down less than halfway through his second term in office. Thus, Gerald Ford served out the last 29 months of Nixon's term, and thus he would have been eligible to be elected in his own right only once - in 1976, which he lost to JimmyCarter.UsefulNotes/JimmyCarter. So, unless Underwood has some manipulation tactics up his sleeve, it could be possible that he will only be eligible to be elected in his own right for 2016, and will have to leave office in 2021.
24th Nov '17 11:55:05 AM nombretomado
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** I think that Frank probably could run in 2020 if he wins in 2016. Like the fact that Frank's reasons for pardoning Walker and Raymond Tusk may have been based on the reasons GeraldFord pardoned UsefulNotes/RichardNixon after Nixon's resignation, you have to look at the history books. Specifically, [[UsefulNotes/LyndonJohnson Lyndon B. Johnson]] could have ended up as President for just over nine years if he'd not withdrawn from the campaign in 1968.\\

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** I think that Frank probably could run in 2020 if he wins in 2016. Like the fact that Frank's reasons for pardoning Walker and Raymond Tusk may have been based on the reasons GeraldFord UsefulNotes/GeraldFord pardoned UsefulNotes/RichardNixon after Nixon's resignation, you have to look at the history books. Specifically, [[UsefulNotes/LyndonJohnson Lyndon B. Johnson]] could have ended up as President for just over nine years if he'd not withdrawn from the campaign in 1968.\\
24th Nov '17 11:52:53 AM nombretomado
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* Frank wants to bring up "war" and "terror" to brainwash the American people. Does he think he is GeorgeWBush, circa 2002? This election cycle, both conservatives and liberals have steered away from foreign wars (for different reasons) which is why we see the fading support for establishment candidates like Hillary Clinton and Ted Cruz.

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* Frank wants to bring up "war" and "terror" to brainwash the American people. Does he think he is GeorgeWBush, UsefulNotes/GeorgeWBush, circa 2002? This election cycle, both conservatives and liberals have steered away from foreign wars (for different reasons) which is why we see the fading support for establishment candidates like Hillary Clinton and Ted Cruz.
31st Jul '17 1:58:02 AM Tuomas
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* During season 5 it's hinted that there's some fishy about the heroic act that earned Will Conway his Purple Heart during the second Gulf War. Conway doesn't want to talk about the mission, the guy he rescued clearly wanted to say more than he was allowed, and the Underwoods are trying to find out the truth so they could use it against Conway in the election. But neither they nor the viewers ever find out what exactly Conway was hiding. The Underwoods manage to win the election through other means, after which Conway disappears from the show altogether. It doesn't seem likely Conway will have any significant role in the story in the future, nor will his secret have much impact anymore since he already lost the election. So what was the point of this whole subplot?

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* During season 5 it's hinted that there's some fishy about the heroic act that earned Will Conway his Purple Heart during in the second Gulf Iraq War. Conway doesn't want refuses to talk about the mission, the guy he rescued clearly wanted wants to say more than he was allowed, and the Underwoods are trying to find out the truth so they could use it against Conway in the election. But neither they nor the viewers ever find out what exactly Conway was hiding. The Underwoods manage to win the election through other means, after which Conway disappears from the show altogether. It doesn't seem likely Conway will have play any significant role in the story in the future, nor will his secret have much impact anymore since he already lost the election. So what was the point of this whole subplot?
31st Jul '17 1:56:11 AM Tuomas
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[[folder:Will Conway's big secret]]
* During season 5 it's hinted that there's some fishy about the heroic act that earned Will Conway his Purple Heart during the second Gulf War. Conway doesn't want to talk about the mission, the guy he rescued clearly wanted to say more than he was allowed, and the Underwoods are trying to find out the truth so they could use it against Conway in the election. But neither they nor the viewers ever find out what exactly Conway was hiding. The Underwoods manage to win the election through other means, after which Conway disappears from the show altogether. It doesn't seem likely Conway will have any significant role in the story in the future, nor will his secret have much impact anymore since he already lost the election. So what was the point of this whole subplot?
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