History Headscratchers / Holes

20th Oct '16 10:06:53 PM Fury1031
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** It isn't that you must have a lawyer, you have THE RIGHT to one. Zeroni's curse must of caused Stanley to refuse that right.

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** It isn't that you must have a lawyer, you have THE RIGHT to one. Zeroni's curse must of have caused Stanley to refuse that right.
6th Jul '16 10:13:15 AM QuarrelsomeChevon
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[[folder: Stalney I's survival]]
* If Stanley Yelnats I found refuge in the desert by climbing up the mountain and finding [[spoiler: Sam's old onion patch]], then how and where did anyone find him? Did they climb the mountain, too? If so, how does no one know how he survived when whoever found him had to have seen it? Or did Stanley I leave the mountain and go back into the desert, and someone found him there? If so, why would he leave the onion field when everything he needed to survive was right up there with him?
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6th Jul '16 9:57:36 AM QuarrelsomeChevon
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*** Upon some reading up on this, I see what you mean. But it seems to happen with quite a few adaptions, trying to make drastic changes so they seem darker or grittier - just look at films like ''Percy Jackson'' or the ''Super Mario Bros.'' movie. It's just a case of getting a clueless writer who wanted to change too many things. Just be thankful they realized this mistake and got rid of him.
16th Jun '16 1:25:26 PM Serasia
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**** I just checked Trivia. A man named Richard Kelly was going to be the one to handle the movie's script but he made a metric ton of bizarre changes so the script writer was changed.
31st May '16 9:00:07 PM QuarrelsomeChevon
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*** Whoa, whoa, sorry, what are you talking about? What is all of this? What script?
25th May '16 5:20:26 AM Laina
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** Okay, watching the movie right now. The grandfather says, "We'e going to need a damn good lawyer." The father says, "We can't afford a lawyer." The mother says, "We don't need a lawyer; we'll just tell the truth." During the arrect scene, we actually never see Stanley being read his Miranda rights. And the judge seems very, very quick to suggest Camp Green Lake - you know what also? This actually seems more like a plea bargain than a straight up conviction. Stanley isn't sentences to Green Lae, he's coerced to agree. Seems like some shady stuff going on in general.

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** Okay, watching the movie right now. The grandfather says, "We'e going to need a damn good lawyer." The father says, "We can't afford a lawyer." The mother says, "We don't need a lawyer; we'll just tell the truth." During "
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the arrect scene, we actually never see Stanley being read his Miranda rights. And the judge seems very, very quick to suggest Camp Green Lake - you know what also? This actually seems more like a plea bargain than a straight up conviction. Stanley isn't sentences to Green Lae, Lake, he's coerced to agree. Seems like some shady stuff going on in general.
general. Perhaps it's not a stretch to say the Yelnats assumed they would have to pay for a lawyer, and were not informed of available free ones because of a corrupted system.
25th May '16 5:18:16 AM Laina
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** Okay, watching the movie right now. The grandfather says, "We'e going to need a damn good lawyer." The father says, "We can't afford a lawyer." The mother says, "We don't need a lawyer; we'll just tell the truth." During the arrect scene, we actually never see Stanley being read his Miranda rights. And the judge seems very, very quick to suggest Camp Green Lake - you know what also? This actually seems more like a plea bargain than a straight up conviction. Stanley isn't sentences to Green Lae, he's coerced to agree. Seems like some shady stuff going on in general.
23rd May '16 4:16:48 AM Laina
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[[folder:Richard Kelly script]]

* What was he thinking with this thing? He changes Stanley's name to Stanley Kramer, makes the Warden a man, apparently there was some big nuclear weapon blast, they dug up dozens of human bones from the lake including Pendanski's dead wife, Stanley has a sister. He got rid of the family name altogether, naming his father Joe Kramer, and killing him and - seriously this troper is still stuck on the whole "nuclear weapon" thing. What about Holes says nuclear weapon?
** Okay, more things - there is a ton of God talk. Ampit is deeply religious and the Warden seems to be as well. Months pass. There's a narrator I can't tell who it is. Maybe Zero? Stanley becomes fastest digger at Camp Green Lake. The boys leave at one point because apparently it's a thing to sneak out on the supply truck, and like four of them go to a bar. Oh my god they're getting drunk, this troper is not okay. Oh my god Zero just said he's not a virgin, and Pendanski is hiring sex workers. There is a sex scene. That's - that's not what the title meant by "Holes".
** Zero killed someone. I repeat, Zero killed someone in self-defense. Stanley did something, too, but it hasn't said what yet. Camp Green Lake is run by the military. Instead of finding Kate's lipstick tube, they find a metal hammer-looking thing, and then eventually hit a gas tank of what used to be a gas station. They are burying Theo alive right now - and they just shot him! I think Stanley killed his sister, who was sick with... radiation poisoning?
** Now they're in a buried underground parking garage. This is kind of confusing actually. X-Ray might be dying. Stanley totally mercy killed his sister. X-Ray just died. Apparently the thing Stanley found started the war. The Warden was the reason Stanley went to Camp Green Lake. They throw the thingies in the ocean and it ends.
** There's no curse, no flashbacks, no Kate. I have never been so confused.
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19th May '16 11:30:21 PM QuarrelsomeChevon
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** The overarching reason Pendanski is nice[r than the others] to the kids is to try and motivate them to dig more. Not only does Zero already dig his hole faithfully whether Pendanski's nice to him or not, but he's also practically an orphan who the higher-ups all think could be kept indefinitely at Camp Green Lake without anyone caring, so Pendanski doesn't see a reason to put any effort into being anything beyond passive-aggressive, at best.
4th Jan '16 4:24:46 PM Tuckerscreator
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** The narrator mentions there was long tedious examination of the chest's contents by forensic analysts, so anything that might belong to another family was probably determined around that time. It's just the narrator skips over it because, by his own admission, that part's very boring [[EndingFatigue especially when they're wrapping up the story]].
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