History Headscratchers / HighSchoolMusical

27th Jul '16 6:54:22 PM AmeyaI
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* Why did Sharpay want Gabriella's song in the third film? She already had her own song and, unlike the musical in #1, roles seemed to be evenly distributed. There were group numbers with everyone, (the basketball number, prom night, etc.) and solos for experienced singers: Ryan's I-Want-It-All bit, Sharpay's own song and the Troy/Gabriella duet. Darbus and Kelsi were playing to the performers' strengths: They knew Sharpay suited the upbeat, intensely-choreographed number, while Troy and Gabriella were better at romantic songs. (Hell, in #1 and 2, Sharpay always sped up those slow numbers). Plus Troy is incredibly awkward performing with her, and she doesn't seem interested in him anymore. Wasn't Sharpay experienced enough to realize her best shot at impressing Juilliard was the song she'd been given?

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* Why did Sharpay want Gabriella's song in the third film? She already had her own song and, unlike the musical in #1, roles seemed to be evenly distributed. There were group numbers with everyone, (the basketball number, prom night, etc.) and solos for experienced singers: Ryan's I-Want-It-All bit, Sharpay's own song and the Troy/Gabriella duet. Darbus and Kelsi were playing to the performers' strengths: They knew Sharpay suited the upbeat, intensely-choreographed number, while Troy and Gabriella were better at romantic songs. (Hell, in #1 and 2, Sharpay always sped up those slow numbers). Plus Troy is incredibly awkward performing with her, and she doesn't seem interested in him anymore. Wasn't Sharpay experienced enough to realize her best shot at impressing Juilliard was the song she'd been given?given?
** Answer #1: Because she's Sharpay, and her main song in this movie isn't called "I want it all" for nothing. Reason #2, if you watch the movie again, it's very confusing which numbers are actually rehearsals and which ones are fantasies("I want it all" is a fantasy, but somehow is Ryan's number in the musical, for example). In the rehearsals, Sharpay's flashy song was about Kelsi and Ryan arriving at prom in the rehearsals, so it stands to reason that the Darbus, Ryan and Kelsi were trying several things before having a final version. Sharpay probably didn't had a solo, but they gave her the "who's that girl" bit to appease her.
27th Jul '16 9:00:12 AM AnotherWanderingGhost
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** When first found out that Troy was a popular basketball star, she probably had a sinking suspicion that him liking her and wanting to take on a whole new hobby with her was too good to be true. Once she had evidence of that (no matter how flimsy), confirmation bias kicked in.
15th Jan '16 10:20:46 AM Anddrix
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** Because if it were called ''Country Club Musical'' [[ViewersAreMorons kids wouldn't realize that it was the sequel to ''HighSchoolMusical'']].

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** Because if it were called ''Country Club Musical'' [[ViewersAreMorons kids wouldn't realize that it was the sequel to ''HighSchoolMusical'']].''HighSchoolMusical''.
10th Nov '15 6:20:15 PM nombretomado
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* Ok, in HSM2 Gabriella just left some of her things in her locker over the summer. Just an error, or can someone explain this?

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* Ok, in HSM2 [=HSM2=] Gabriella just left some of her things in her locker over the summer. Just an error, or can someone explain this?



* I just got done watching HSM({{Rifftrax}} commentary) and I just gotta ask: What does Zeke (the guy who bakes) actually see in Sharpay other than that she's a girl and that she's kinda cute? I mean they don't call her the Ice Queen for nothing. She's vain, selfish, snobbish, shallow and manipulative. The only time she actually started to noticing him was when she ate some of his cookies and begged him to make more for her. Unless he's into abuse, I see no good coming out this relationship.

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* I just got done watching HSM({{Rifftrax}} HSM (Podcast/RiffTrax commentary) and I just gotta ask: What does Zeke (the guy who bakes) actually see in Sharpay other than that she's a girl and that she's kinda cute? I mean they don't call her the Ice Queen for nothing. She's vain, selfish, snobbish, shallow and manipulative. The only time she actually started to noticing him was when she ate some of his cookies and begged him to make more for her. Unless he's into abuse, I see no good coming out this relationship.
29th Oct '15 8:20:35 PM ChrisDen
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* The kids in the third movie are competing for scholarships to Julliard. Barring the obvious points about Julliard not working like that and the fact that none of these kids would have a chance of so much as being wait listed at the real Julliard--if they're competing for a scholarship, it means they were already accepted. Ryan receives the scholarship. If Sharpay wants to go there so badly, why don't her parents just use Ryan's unused tuition money to help pay for Sharpay and send them BOTH to Julliard?

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* The kids in the third movie are competing for scholarships to Julliard. Juilliard. Barring the obvious points about Julliard Juilliard not working like that and the fact that none of these kids would have a chance of so much as being wait listed at the real Julliard--if Juilliard--if they're competing for a scholarship, it means they were already accepted. Ryan receives the scholarship. If Sharpay wants to go there so badly, why don't her parents just use Ryan's unused tuition money to help pay for Sharpay and send them BOTH to Julliard?Juilliard?



* "I Want It All" implies that Sharpay's main goal is New York or Hollywood fame with Julliard as a stepping stone. So why, after not getting the Julliard scholarship (and not going, despite the logic given in the previous Headscratcher), did she go to school in Albuquerque instead of applying somewhere like NYU or UCLA?
** Especially NYU, since it has Tisch and it's heavily implied she wants to major in something relating to musical theatre? (Which, amusingly, Julliard doesn't even ''offer''.)

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* "I Want It All" implies that Sharpay's main goal is New York or Hollywood fame with Julliard Juilliard as a stepping stone. So why, after not getting the Julliard Juilliard scholarship (and not going, despite the logic given in the previous Headscratcher), did she go to school in Albuquerque instead of applying somewhere like NYU or UCLA?
** Especially NYU, since it has Tisch and it's heavily implied she wants to major in something relating to musical theatre? (Which, amusingly, Julliard Juilliard doesn't even ''offer''.)



* Gabriella and Stanford....Just the whole situation. Is there any justification for ''why'' she wants to go there? Troy says she chose Stanford, but Gabriella says her Mom's been planning it since she was a kid. (Like Troy's dad and UOA). Albuquerque is the first place she's felt at home, and she seems to want to stay there, so why did she choose a school a thousand miles away?(Especially when Troy, who she is devastated at leaving, is going to be local). And why does she need to persuade her Mom to 'stay behind' another year with her? Don't most student live on campus? Then there's zero thought to what she's studying: They throw in that she's doing Pre-Law, even though in previous films she was more interested in science. Ms Darbus wants Troy to pursue singing, while Gabriella's kind of forgotten about, even she's always been the one encouraging Troy to do it with her. It feels like they spent the whole film on Troy deciding his future, with no justification for Gabriella's choices, even though their separation drives most of the conflict. We're basically told to forget about Gabriella's perspective and take it for granted that Stanford is the ideal future for her. Why?
* Why did Sharpay want Gabriella's song in the third film? She already had her own song and, unlike the musical in #1, roles seemed to be evenly distributed. There were group numbers with everyone, (the basketball number, prom night, etc.) and solo's for experienced singers: Ryan's I-Want-It-All bit, Sharpay's own song and the Troy/Gabriella duet. Darbus and Kelsi were playing to the performers strengths: They knew Sharpay suited the upbeat, intensely-choreographed number, while Troy and Gabriella were better at romantic songs. (Hell, in #1 and 2, Sharpay always sped up those slow numbers). Plus Troy is incredibly awkward performing with her, and she doesn't seem interested in him anymore. Wasn't Sharpay experienced enough to realize her best shot at impressing Julliard was the song she'd been given?

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* Gabriella and Stanford....Just the whole situation. Is there any justification for ''why'' she wants to go there? Troy says she chose Stanford, but Gabriella says her Mom's mom's been planning it since she was a kid. (Like Troy's dad and UOA). UOA.) Albuquerque is the first place she's felt at home, and she seems to want to stay there, so why did she choose a school a thousand miles away?(Especially away? (Especially when Troy, who she is devastated at leaving, is going to be local). And why does she need to persuade her Mom mom to 'stay behind' another year with her? Don't most student live on campus? Then there's zero thought to what she's studying: They throw in that she's doing Pre-Law, even though in previous films she was more interested in science. Ms Darbus wants Troy to pursue singing, while Gabriella's kind of forgotten about, even she's always been the one encouraging Troy to do it with her. It feels like they spent the whole film on Troy deciding his future, with no justification for Gabriella's choices, even though their separation drives most of the conflict. We're basically told to forget about Gabriella's perspective and take it for granted that Stanford is the ideal future for her. Why?
* Why did Sharpay want Gabriella's song in the third film? She already had her own song and, unlike the musical in #1, roles seemed to be evenly distributed. There were group numbers with everyone, (the basketball number, prom night, etc.) and solo's solos for experienced singers: Ryan's I-Want-It-All bit, Sharpay's own song and the Troy/Gabriella duet. Darbus and Kelsi were playing to the performers performers' strengths: They knew Sharpay suited the upbeat, intensely-choreographed number, while Troy and Gabriella were better at romantic songs. (Hell, in #1 and 2, Sharpay always sped up those slow numbers). Plus Troy is incredibly awkward performing with her, and she doesn't seem interested in him anymore. Wasn't Sharpay experienced enough to realize her best shot at impressing Julliard Juilliard was the song she'd been given?
28th Oct '15 11:45:17 AM ChrisDen
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** The girl seemed to be doing most of the vocalising, with the boy there as 'backup'.

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** The girl seemed to be doing most of the vocalising, vocalizing, with the boy there as 'backup'.



** Because they're still highschool students and the characters are all classmates who stay together during all the movie, in class or not.

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** Because they're still highschool high school students and the characters are all classmates who stay together during all the movie, in class or not.



*** While the race thing was unnecesary, it is true that Chad and Taylor are a weird mix of genuine friendship AND false friendship. While Sharpay is the antagonist, in the first movie all she did was convince Darbus to change the date of the callback(And technically, she didn't lie to do it). Chad activelly screwed over his best friend new relationship, while Taylor only seek Gabriella's friendship when she learned of her [[InformedAttribute smarts]]. Second Movie, Sharpay (indirectly) gives Troy a summer job, and as a side effect ends up giving employment to basically the whole school. True, she throws her money and status around to get Troy to "date" her, but she never forces Troy to do anything. Chad(and all the others) only bitch and moan about having to do a job(which they wanted in the first place) and bitch and moan even more when Troy gets a promotion. Taylor does the same, with the plus of almost all of her scenes telling Gabriella to dump Troy... for some reason. Third movie, while Sharpay is still a bitch, she isn't a direct antagonist, but the only conflict in the movie is planning for the future. Chad doesn't do anything this movie, and Taylor basically treats him like crap.

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*** While the race thing was unnecesary, unnecessary, it is true that Chad and Taylor are a weird mix of genuine friendship AND false friendship. While Sharpay is the antagonist, in the first movie all she did was convince Darbus to change the date of the callback(And technically, she didn't lie to do it). Chad activelly screwed over his best friend new relationship, while Taylor only seek Gabriella's friendship when she learned of her [[InformedAttribute smarts]]. Second Movie, Sharpay (indirectly) gives Troy a summer job, and as a side effect ends up giving employment to basically the whole school. True, she throws her money and status around to get Troy to "date" her, but she never forces Troy to do anything. Chad(and all the others) only bitch and moan about having to do a job(which they wanted in the first place) and bitch and moan even more when Troy gets a promotion. Taylor does the same, with the plus of almost all of her scenes telling Gabriella to dump Troy... for some reason. Third movie, while Sharpay is still a bitch, she isn't a direct antagonist, but the only conflict in the movie is planning for the future. Chad doesn't do anything this movie, and Taylor basically treats him like crap.



*** Troy forgiving Chad in #1 is kind of believable, since they've been friends since kindergarten and have probably fought/made up before. You don't just throw that away. Plus, Chad's perspective is a little more sympathetic than Taylors: He and Troy have been dreaming of the championship for years he's supported him as captain...and then a few days before their biggest game ''ever'', Troy gets distracted with singing and a girl? Yeah, Chad went too far, but you can understand him freaking out. In the second film he's obviously just jealous, even though Troy went out of his way to get him a job.

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*** Troy forgiving Chad in #1 is kind of believable, since they've been friends since kindergarten and have probably fought/made up before. You don't just throw that away. Plus, Chad's perspective is a little more sympathetic than Taylors: Taylor's: He and Troy have been dreaming of the championship for years he's supported him as captain...and then a few days before their biggest game ''ever'', Troy gets distracted with singing and a girl? Yeah, Chad went too far, but you can understand him freaking out. In the second film he's obviously just jealous, even though Troy went out of his way to get him a job.



* Making Ryan and Sharpay understudies makes no sense from any perspective. Your average high school is iffy in the talent department, and East high is ''way'' below average if the auditions are anything to by. Sharpay may be a diva, but there's no denying she has great stage presence and can sing well No sensible casting director would put someone like that behind the curtain when they've got roles to fill and the only other options are someone who can't emote and somene who thinks "projcting" means shouting every line. Especially when, as pointed out, the chances of an understudy being used are so little you might as well risk not having one.

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* Making Ryan and Sharpay understudies makes no sense from any perspective. Your average high school is iffy in the talent department, and East high is ''way'' below average if the auditions are anything to by. Sharpay may be a diva, but there's no denying she has great stage presence and can sing well No sensible casting director would put someone like that behind the curtain when they've got roles to fill and the only other options are someone who can't emote and somene someone who thinks "projcting" "projecting" means shouting every line. Especially when, as pointed out, the chances of an understudy being used are so little you might as well risk not having one.



* The kids in the third movie are competing for scholarships to Julliard. Barring the obvious points about Julliard not working like that and the fact that none of these kids would have a chance of so much as being wait listed at the real Julliard- if they're competing for a scholarship, it means they were already accepted. Ryan receives the scholarship. If Sharpay wants to go there so badly, why don't her parents just use Ryan's unused tuition money to help pay for Sharpay and send them BOTH to Julliard?

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* The kids in the third movie are competing for scholarships to Julliard. Barring the obvious points about Julliard not working like that and the fact that none of these kids would have a chance of so much as being wait listed at the real Julliard- if Julliard--if they're competing for a scholarship, it means they were already accepted. Ryan receives the scholarship. If Sharpay wants to go there so badly, why don't her parents just use Ryan's unused tuition money to help pay for Sharpay and send them BOTH to Julliard?



*** But at the end, Sharpe knows she didn't get the scholarship and says she's going somewhere else for college. It's like you absolutely need the scholarship to get into the school, which is just wrong. As the OP said, if you're competing for a scholarship, you're already in. So why would she be in and choose to go somewhere else without the scholarship? ESPECIALLY when she's by far the richest person in an already obviously affluent community (have you SEEN the high school? Tell me you've seen any public school as rich as that). It makes zero sense, and Ryan getting the scholarship is frankly an insult to any real musician who actually can't afford the school and can't go.

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*** But at the end, Sharpe Sharpay knows she didn't get the scholarship and says she's going somewhere else for college. It's like you absolutely need the scholarship to get into the school, which is just wrong. As the OP said, if you're competing for a scholarship, you're already in. So why would she be in and choose to go somewhere else without the scholarship? ESPECIALLY when she's by far the richest person in an already obviously affluent community (have you SEEN the high school? Tell me you've seen any public school as rich as that). It makes zero sense, and Ryan getting the scholarship is frankly an insult to any real musician who actually can't afford the school and can't go.
2nd Sep '15 5:22:46 PM singing30
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**to be fair to the team, in #2 Troy was kind of being a jerk, not sticking with his friends, not talking to them that much after the promotion, etc
14th Jun '15 3:19:05 PM SpaceCaptainX
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*Ok, in HSM2 Gabriella just left some of her things in her locker over the summer. Just an error, or can someone explain this?
30th Dec '14 6:20:59 PM Technicolourtardis
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** I assumed they were paired because they're a composer and a choreographer.
30th Dec '14 6:15:21 PM Technicolourtardis
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*** Ms Darbus is not your average high school drama teacher, though. She treats all her students like haughty professional casters- just look at how dismissive she is of everyone but Ryan and Sharpay at the auditions, loudly telling them to "show them how it's really done". She doesn't care about hurting feelings, as she outright tells the interpretive dancers that they are "disturbing" and should go see the counsellor. It's clear they're pretty hurt.
** I think the song they performed was just the audition song for every single role, because IIRC Ms Darbus decides to just call for the auditions of the leads, which just happened to only be Ryan and Sharpay. Callbacks could do any song they wanted from the musical, but as everyone performed the same song and Ms Darbus refers to Ryan and Sharpay as the only people auditioning for the leads...
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