History Headscratchers / HeroesAdam

21st Dec '11 7:03:06 PM AeromanDVance
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Unlike most people (apparently), I actually liked Season 2. It wasn't as good as Season 1, sure, but it wasn't ''bad''. I do, however, have one small question: why is Adam still alive for it? The Company founders know how to kill him (Victoria Pratt says as much right before Peter stops her from doing it), so why don't they? Why keep him locked away for 30 years instead? If it was to do research on him, why isn't any research shown being done during the flashbacks in "Four Months Ago"? Just seems like quite a plothole to me.

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Unlike most people (apparently), I actually liked Season 2. It wasn't as good as Season 1, sure, but it wasn't ''bad''. I do, however, have one small question: why is Adam still alive for it? The Company founders know how to kill him (Victoria Pratt says as much right before Peter stops her from doing it), so why don't they? Why keep him locked away for 30 years instead? If it was to do research on him, why isn't any research shown being done during the flashbacks in "Four Months Ago"? Just seems like quite a plothole to me.me.
* To make this worse Adam said that they couldn't kill him. Plothole indeed!
21st Dec '11 7:01:28 PM AeromanDVance
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* I thought that Claire (+Peter+Sylar) and Adam (+Pa) just had different variations of regeneration because if they have different weaknesses (Claire needs a shot to the back of her head to temporarily kill her, Adam dies permanently with any headshot) they might as well have other different properties as well
27th Sep '11 3:31:46 PM MagBas
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[[WMG: The fact that I actually felt really, really bad for ''Adam'' and pissed off at ''Hiro'' (who had previously been this troper's favorite character) after Hiro's Excellent Adventure in Feudal Japan.]]
Sure, Adam was kind of a jerk but he was really cleaning up nicely and with Hiro's help he was actually turning into the legend he was supposed to be. He also definitely loved Yaeko. Hiro seduced her (granted it wasn't intentional) and then Adam is somehow played off as in the wrong just because he got mad about it. Frankly, Adam had every right to be pissed off at him. Maybe he shouldn't have gone all loopy and homicidal, but all things considered it wasn't ''that'' much of an over reaction. I was actually really happy when he was revealed to be the big bad of the season just because I wanted to see him give Hiro the ass kicking he deserved. But nope, Peter got to do that and Adam got buried alive. {{Mighty Whitey}} my ass... He really didn't seem that evil. If Hiro just hadn't messed up so badly none of that stuff would have happened and yet Hiro is played off to be this amazing self sacraficing legend who gave up the love of his life out of nobility. Neither was in the right, but Hiro was treated way too well in this case whereas Adam got a shaft of epic proportion .
* I like the character too. He's the bright spot of S2.
* He was a good character to watch - one of my favourites - but there's a reason he's one of the bad guys. The fact is, your best friend stealing your girlfriend doesn't really justify trying to kill millions of people and killing the friend's dad is just cruel (especially considering how Hiro ''had'' apologised for what he did). Now if he were one of the good guys he would have just beaten up Hiro, slapped Yaeko, thrown stuff and moved on.
** Unfortunately his FaceHeelTurn was terribly unconvincing. They inadvertently created a rather appealing goodie and then [[CharacterDerailment derailed him]].
* Adam was clearly unstable with that act. At first he is jealous and really pissed, and justifiably so. However, he's not just jealous. He turns into a friggin' psychopath. He doesn't just want Yaeko anymore, he wants to kill her (which he probably did later). And he wasn't anywhere near finished then, no he had to destroy the whole world (though that may have been insanity from living for 400 years).
** Adam didn't kill Yaeko - at least, not for a long time - as she was the one to promulgate the myth of Kensei (this is explicitly stated in the supplemental materials, and seems the most sensible course of events in the show, even if it is something of a StableTimeLoop). Also, I refuse to believe that Hiro's {{But Now I Must Go}} led right to her death, that's too ShootTheShaggyDog-y.
* The key words here are "loopy and homicidal". He couldn't reasonably have been expected, by any of the parties involved, to go ''homicidally insane'' over losing a girl to someone who didn't even mean to pull her away.
* You deeply frighten me. If you discover that a girl you like actually prefers someone else to you, you think it's ''not that much'' of an overreaction to start killing people because your manly pride is hurt? Hiro should have been more honest with both Adam and Yaeko instead of trying to play puppetmaster with people's feelings to make history behave like he wanted it to. And he didn't learn anything from it all going wrong, either - dropping Yaeko shows that he still thinks this is reasonable behavior. Hiro was wrong, but Adam is a ''psychopath''.
** Adam isn't a psychopath. Hiro turned him from a drunk into a hero, made his Love Interest love him as well and was probably the best friend he ever had. Hiro and Yaeko were what made Kensei a good guy. Without them, he turned right back into his old self, no, even worse. Now add another 300 years of watching humanity repeat the same mistakes over and over, destroying their planet. He doesn't even hold a grudge against Hiro, he just hates all humans and wants to wipe them out. It's not the best motivation, but none of the other villains in Heroes has a better.
* Um... [[UnfortunateImplications because if a man is infatuated with a woman, he's ENTITLED to have his feelings returned?]] And making this all about Hiro vs. Adam also completely ignores the fact that Yaeko is a grown-up sentient human being with free will, too. ''She'' is the one who chose Hiro over Adam - she wasn't "accidentally seduced," she genuinely preferred one suitor over the other. People are allowed to do that. Adam had every right to feel bad about losing Yaeko, and Hiro should have been more honest, but at the end of the day Adam's hurt feefees doesn't excuse or entitle him to a damn thing.

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[[WMG: The fact that I actually felt really, really bad for ''Adam'' and pissed off at ''Hiro'' (who had previously been this troper's favorite character) after Hiro's Excellent Adventure in Feudal Japan.]]
Sure, Adam was kind of a jerk but he was really cleaning up nicely and with Hiro's help he was actually turning into the legend he was supposed to be. He also definitely loved Yaeko. Hiro seduced her (granted it wasn't intentional) and then Adam is somehow played off as in the wrong just because he got mad about it. Frankly, Adam had every right to be pissed off at him. Maybe he shouldn't have gone all loopy and homicidal, but all things considered it wasn't ''that'' much of an over reaction. I was actually really happy when he was revealed to be the big bad of the season just because I wanted to see him give Hiro the ass kicking he deserved. But nope, Peter got to do that and Adam got buried alive. {{Mighty Whitey}} my ass... He really didn't seem that evil. If Hiro just hadn't messed up so badly none of that stuff would have happened and yet Hiro is played off to be this amazing self sacraficing legend who gave up the love of his life out of nobility. Neither was in the right, but Hiro was treated way too well in this case whereas Adam got a shaft of epic proportion .
* I like the character too. He's the bright spot of S2.
* He was a good character to watch - one of my favourites - but there's a reason he's one of the bad guys. The fact is, your best friend stealing your girlfriend doesn't really justify trying to kill millions of people and killing the friend's dad is just cruel (especially considering how Hiro ''had'' apologised for what he did). Now if he were one of the good guys he would have just beaten up Hiro, slapped Yaeko, thrown stuff and moved on.
** Unfortunately his FaceHeelTurn was terribly unconvincing. They inadvertently created a rather appealing goodie and then [[CharacterDerailment derailed him]].
* Adam was clearly unstable with that act. At first he is jealous and really pissed, and justifiably so. However, he's not just jealous. He turns into a friggin' psychopath. He doesn't just want Yaeko anymore, he wants to kill her (which he probably did later). And he wasn't anywhere near finished then, no he had to destroy the whole world (though that may have been insanity from living for 400 years).
** Adam didn't kill Yaeko - at least, not for a long time - as she was the one to promulgate the myth of Kensei (this is explicitly stated in the supplemental materials, and seems the most sensible course of events in the show, even if it is something of a StableTimeLoop). Also, I refuse to believe that Hiro's {{But Now I Must Go}} led right to her death, that's too ShootTheShaggyDog-y.
* The key words here are "loopy and homicidal". He couldn't reasonably have been expected, by any of the parties involved, to go ''homicidally insane'' over losing a girl to someone who didn't even mean to pull her away.
* You deeply frighten me. If you discover that a girl you like actually prefers someone else to you, you think it's ''not that much'' of an overreaction to start killing people because your manly pride is hurt? Hiro should have been more honest with both Adam and Yaeko instead of trying to play puppetmaster with people's feelings to make history behave like he wanted it to. And he didn't learn anything from it all going wrong, either - dropping Yaeko shows that he still thinks this is reasonable behavior. Hiro was wrong, but Adam is a ''psychopath''.
** Adam isn't a psychopath. Hiro turned him from a drunk into a hero, made his Love Interest love him as well and was probably the best friend he ever had. Hiro and Yaeko were what made Kensei a good guy. Without them, he turned right back into his old self, no, even worse. Now add another 300 years of watching humanity repeat the same mistakes over and over, destroying their planet. He doesn't even hold a grudge against Hiro, he just hates all humans and wants to wipe them out. It's not the best motivation, but none of the other villains in Heroes has a better.
* Um... [[UnfortunateImplications because if a man is infatuated with a woman, he's ENTITLED to have his feelings returned?]] And making this all about Hiro vs. Adam also completely ignores the fact that Yaeko is a grown-up sentient human being with free will, too. ''She'' is the one who chose Hiro over Adam - she wasn't "accidentally seduced," she genuinely preferred one suitor over the other. People are allowed to do that. Adam had every right to feel bad about losing Yaeko, and Hiro should have been more honest, but at the end of the day Adam's hurt feefees doesn't excuse or entitle him to a damn thing.

23rd Sep '11 6:16:55 PM Craverguy
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* Unlike most people (apparently), I actually liked Season 2. It wasn't as good as Season 1, sure, but it wasn't ''bad''. I do, however, have one small question: why is Adam still alive for it? The Company founders know how to kill him (Victoria Pratt says as much right before Peter stops her from doing it), so why don't they? Why keep him locked away for 30 years instead? If it was to do research on him, why isn't any research shown being done during the flashbacks in "Four Months Ago"? Just seems like quite a plothole to me.

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* Unlike most people (apparently), I actually liked Season 2. It wasn't as good as Season 1, sure, but it wasn't ''bad''. I do, however, have one small question: why is Adam still alive for it? The Company founders know how to kill him (Victoria Pratt says as much right before Peter stops her from doing it), so why don't they? Why keep him locked away for 30 years instead? If it was to do research on him, why isn't any research shown being done during the flashbacks in "Four Months Ago"? Just seems like quite a plothole to me.
23rd Sep '11 6:13:06 PM Craverguy
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* Unlike most people (apparently), I actually liked Season 2. It wasn't as good as Season 1, sure, but it wasn't ''bad''. I do, however, have one small question: why is Adam still alive for it? The Company founders know how to kill him (Victoria Pratt says as much right before Peter stops her from doing it), so why don't they? Why keep him locked away for 30 years instead? If it was to do research on him, why isn't any research shown being done during the flashbacks in "Four Months Ago"? Just seems like quite a plothole to me.
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