History Headscratchers / HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallowsWizardingPrejudice

5th Jul '16 6:20:34 PM inspibrain101
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** Basically, there are two major story arcs that run throughout the series: there's the obvious one, the physical conflict between Harry and Voldemort, which intensifies as they learn more about each other, as Voldemort gains power, as Harry discovers how to defeat him, etc. culminating in an epic climax, and resolved with Voldemort's final defeat. Beyond that, there is the more philosophical conflict of the problems that plague the wizarding world, i.e. all the things mentioned by the O.P. This conflict receives almost as much attention as does the conflict with Voldemort, as the reader comes to understand how deeply these beliefs are entrenched in wizards, the consequences of their corrupt government and media, etc. The problem is, while the conflict with Voldemort has a satisfactory resolution, the moral arc does not, (or any resolution at all, really). This is particularly frustrating for many readers, as the moral arc had just as much significance (if not more) to them than did the physical conflict between Harry and the Dark Lord.
4th Jul '16 11:40:47 PM inspibrain101
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*** Continuing on the 1930's Germany analogy, the Nazis were able to take power in the first place for a variety of reasons, not the least of which was their rampant anti-Semitic propaganda campaign following their defeat in WWI; essentially, the majority of citizens were convinced of the inferiority of the targeted groups, and so the Nazis gained power (allowing them to spread their propaganda even more, including to the school system). At that point, anybody who had something to say against the Nazis and their anti-Semitism would have been forced into silence.
21st Apr '16 2:05:52 AM Luppercus
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******* There is a part in Order of Phoenix were they mention that the Minister of Magic is elected.
8th Aug '14 5:25:42 PM cliffc999
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**** Ultimately he is, given that Fudge resigned when he lost the confidence of the Wizengamot. This is not exactly reassuring, though, because as pointed out above the Wizengamot itself seems to be an entirely undemocratic and corrupt oligarchy.
1st May '14 12:08:40 PM cliffc999
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**** Fudge has the power to order media censorship of even the most blatant kind (Daily Prophet, no comment necessary), order peoples' arrest and imprisonment without trial or even a simple habeas corpus hearing (Hagrid), to make law without the consent of the people or their elected representatives (the Educational Decrees), to order private institutions (Hogwarts is ultimately administered by a Board of Governors, not the Ministry department of education, so it is not state-owned) to employ and to fire people as he directs against their own wishes and business interests (Umbridge in book 5), and to ''order summary executions'' (Sirius Black and Barty Crouch Jr., the latter of which was actually carried out directly in front of an unresisting Chief Warlock!). Which one of these things '''is''' remotely consistent with democracy? Fudge is a dictator -- a dictator who ultimately had to answer to an entrenched oligarchy, when his job performance became sub-optimal -- but still a dictator.
21st Mar '14 11:38:18 AM sandalaris
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** They were never really off it. Look over the whole series and you'll see even wizards on the "good" side still had some prejudice against muggles, and by association muggleborns. Even Arthur Weasley shows some views on thinking muggles are less than wizards, albet in a "aww, aren't they cute with their little muggle toys?" sort of way, and he was known to be an active muggle and muggleborn rights supporter. In fact, the Weasley's themselves were looked down upon by more than just the pureblood supremist for their acceptance of muggles/muggleborns. It's stated more than once that Arthur's job is low paying and considered unimportant by most ministry officials . So it's less of jumping on the "hate the muggleborn" bandwagon and more nurturing an already there prejudice until it goes from being mild to major.
16th Nov '13 3:08:13 PM Jaqen
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*** War = People risk their Lives for the Cause and those who die for the Cause deserve to be honoured. DH = Harry fake!died for the Cause and therefore his fake!sacrifice is more important than people who really died because Harry needs a sandwich and all is well.
23rd Aug '13 9:48:36 PM thirdscenario
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**** And why exactly can you only choose between wholesale bloodbath or just one person dies???
19th Aug '13 9:36:46 AM Reika
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* The problem isn't with Creator/JKRowling's writing, it's with those readers who have a disconnect with understanding the difference between uncrafted, ruled by chance reality and crafted, deliberate fiction made to mimic the chaos of reality. Bottom Line: '''It's a war, ''AnyoneCanDie'' and JK wanted to show this. it's not bad storytelling just because you can't fathom it.'''
** Actually it is bad writing because it uses death as shock value to try and seem mature, people know that many die in war but killing off half the cast after they have used up their character arcs is a terrible way to use them, death in fiction has to affect the still living characters to have impact, Tolkien was much better at writing about the horror and the glory of war and he only killed off one of his main characters but JK seems to think that throwing death after death will have the same emotional impact as when she first killed off a beloved character. It's not that we cant FATHOM it it with our small mortal brains, its that she really didnt handle it well but fans tend to ignore that her books are far, far from perfect.
** Actually there is a problem, granted wars are chaotic situations where AnyoneCanDie, that doesn't mean that a writer writing such a situation in a fictional series is absolved from the duty to give it some order, it is still very much up to the writer to find that bridge between order and chaos while still making their story believable. RK kinda failed in this aspect.
** My main problem with that part was actually how nobody else gets a reference. Oh no, Remus and Tonks and Fred died... and then those other 50 people who I might or might not know, but I wouldn't know because Harry doesn't have the guts to actually look who else died to buy him time.

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* ** The problem isn't with Creator/JKRowling's writing, it's with those readers who have a disconnect with understanding the difference between uncrafted, ruled by chance reality and crafted, deliberate fiction made to mimic the chaos of reality. Bottom Line: '''It's a war, ''AnyoneCanDie'' and JK wanted to show this. it's not bad storytelling just because you can't fathom it.'''
** *** Actually it is bad writing because it uses death as shock value to try and seem mature, people know that many die in war but killing off half the cast after they have used up their character arcs is a terrible way to use them, death in fiction has to affect the still living characters to have impact, Tolkien was much better at writing about the horror and the glory of war and he only killed off one of his main characters but JK seems to think that throwing death after death will have the same emotional impact as when she first killed off a beloved character. It's not that we cant FATHOM it it with our small mortal brains, its that she really didnt handle it well but fans tend to ignore that her books are far, far from perfect.
** *** Actually there is a problem, granted wars are chaotic situations where AnyoneCanDie, that doesn't mean that a writer writing such a situation in a fictional series is absolved from the duty to give it some order, it is still very much up to the writer to find that bridge between order and chaos while still making their story believable. RK kinda failed in this aspect.
** *** My main problem with that part was actually how nobody else gets a reference. Oh no, Remus and Tonks and Fred died... and then those other 50 people who I might or might not know, but I wouldn't know because Harry doesn't have the guts to actually look who else died to buy him time.
17th Jul '13 4:02:06 PM Rory1989
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** Actually it is bad writing because it uses death as shock value to try and seem mature, people know that many die in war but killing off half the cast after they have used up their character arcs is a terrible way to use them, death in fiction has to affect the still living characters to have impact, Tolkien was much better at writing about the horror and the glory of war and he only killed off one of his main characters but JK seems to think that throwing death after death will have the same emotional impact as when she first killed off a beloved character. It's not that we cant FATHOM it it with our small mortal brains, its that she really didnt handle it well but fans tend to ignore that her books are far, far from perfect.
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