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2nd Oct '17 4:04:13 AM tafelshrew
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2nd Oct '17 4:03:40 AM tafelshrew
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* Why did Dumbledore feel the need to put the ring on in the first place? Harry activates the Stone by fumbling with it; are we to believe that Dumbledore, the genius wizard who's been fascinated by the Hallows his whole life, couldn't figure out how to make it work?

*How does it still work when Harry gets it? Dumbledore de-Horcruxed the ring by hitting its stone with the basilisk-venom-infused goblin-wrought Sword of Gryffindor. If the ring was destroyed sufficiently to destroy the soul fragment bound within it, and it was destroyed by hitting the stone so hard it fractured, how come the stone is sufficiently non-destroyed to still summon the dead?
24th Sep '17 9:54:30 AM dracogeorge
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* Am I the only one that is bothered by the name? Hallow can either be a verb that is synonymous with sanctify or venerate, or a noun that is a synonym for Saint. Meaning it is either "The Deathly Saints" which, taking the adjective meanings of deathly, could mean the deadly saints, the saints that appear on the verge of death, or the extreme saints, or "The Deathly Sanctifies"/"The Deathly Venerates". Or you could use another meaning of hallow, which is "To shout, especially to urge on dogs for hunting". The only one that makes sense is a rather archaic meaning of hallows (not hallow) itself, which can either be the remains of a saint or the shrines that they are kept in, and even then that's even more archaic than the other forms, which are at least in use in the form of All Hallows' Eve/Halloween, and All Hallows' Day (though Halloween is the only one I've heard being used regularly, usually I hear All Saints Day, and I've only heard All Hallows' Eve when someone is explaining the origin of the word Halloween). And even if it is being used in the form of a saint's remains or relics, it makes little sense since two of the three were originally given to men who were outright stated to be bad people (Antioch was a combative man who wanted to be undefeatable in combat, Cadmus was an arrogant man who wanted to defy death).
23rd Sep '17 8:49:36 PM Sharlee
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** Possibly it's another "prophecy" thing, from a really really long time ago: it's not that ''any'' old person who happens to gather the three Hallows together would accept death and become its master, it's that the one guy who ''actually does'' do so (Harry) ''just happens'' to achieve both of those conditions at the same time.
17th Aug '17 6:32:15 PM secretfan14
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** I think it needs mentioned that Luna never actually saw ''through'' the cloak. Her Spectre Specs let her see the "nargles" that were buzzing around Harry at the time. As for Mrs. Norris, as stated above, it is alluded that her other senses were likely what tipped her off to the prescense of an invisible Harry. In ''TheGobletOfFire'', it's directly mentioned that Harry regreted using so much of the scented soaps and foams in the prefects' bathroom, while investigating the Second Task clue. Moody's Eye? Well, that's something I hadn't considered, but it's established as [[AwesomeYetPractical Awesome, yet Practical]], so we can let it slide.

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** I think it needs mentioned that Luna never actually saw ''through'' the cloak. Her Spectre Specs let her see the "nargles" that were buzzing around Harry at the time. As for Mrs. Norris, as stated above, it is alluded that her other senses were likely what tipped her off to the prescense of an invisible Harry. In ''TheGobletOfFire'', it's directly mentioned that Harry regreted using so much of the scented soaps and foams in the prefects' bathroom, while investigating the Second Task clue. Moody's Eye? Well, that's something I hadn't considered, but it's established as [[AwesomeYetPractical Awesome, yet Practical]], Practical, so we can let it slide.
25th May '17 1:36:45 AM Luppercus
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** Alright, but if you have to expend your life under a cloak... yeah at some point you'll be wishing for Death to come.
24th May '17 9:07:16 PM sugaricequeen
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** Not exactly. He could just eat while under the cloak, and use magic to keep himself clean. Or, he only wore the cloak most of the time but took breaks when he felt he needed or wanted to. I personally think the legend is real.
30th Apr '17 4:28:33 AM Luppercus
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*** Because cats not only use their eyes, they have also very superior sense of smell and hearing, we don’t really know if Mrs. Norris sees under the cloak, we only know that Harry things so, but is just possible that he never thought that she just smells him, as any normal cat would. Besides, who care if the cloak do not hide you from… a house cat? Kind of nitpicking; “Damn, this cloak protected me from those giants and that dragon, but my grandma’s pet sees me, this isn’t really something especial!”.

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*** Because cats not only use their eyes, they have also very superior sense of smell and hearing, we don’t really know if Mrs. Norris sees under the cloak, we only know that Harry things so, but is just possible that he never thought that she just smells him, as any normal cat would. Besides, who care cares if the cloak do not hide you from… a house cat? Kind of nitpicking; “Damn, this cloak protected me from those giants and that dragon, but my grandma’s pet sees me, this isn’t really something especial!”.



** The “''is the Cloak of Invisibility, not the Cloak of Nothing Can Detect Me''” is a good point, let’s see: Isn´t Dumbledore telepathic (Legilimency)? so he could at the very least perceive that Harry was under the cloak in Hagrid’s cabin for example, Mrs. Norris smells him, Moody’s Eye might perceive heath for example (we don’t really know who it works but it makes sense, it could be one of its functions to perceive changes in temperature around) therefore he sees Harry and co. under the cloak as body heath silhouettes, that or effectively as said before the cloak cause a distortion in the X-Ray effect of his eye, Dementors are blind and only feel emotions and Luna’s case was a movie in-joke. Though the idea that the cloak is sentient and can choose when to show his user to a possible ally is a very cool idea too.

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** The “''is the Cloak of Invisibility, not the Cloak of Nothing Can Detect Me''” is a good point, let’s see: Isn´t Dumbledore telepathic (Legilimency)? so he could at the very least perceive that Harry was under the cloak in Hagrid’s cabin for example, Mrs. Norris smells him, Moody’s Eye might perceive heath for example (we don’t really know who how it works but it makes sense, it could be one of its functions to perceive changes in temperature around) therefore he sees Harry and co. under the cloak as body heath silhouettes, that or effectively as said before the cloak cause a distortion in the X-Ray effect of his eye, Dementors are blind and only feel emotions and Luna’s case was a movie in-joke. Though the idea that the cloak is sentient and can choose when to show his user to a possible ally is a very cool idea too.


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** The tale has to be a legend anyway. It is impossible that the younger brother spent several years hiding from Death under the cloak, he had to eat and wash and other stuffs that needed him to be outside the cloak at times.
26th Feb '17 10:03:15 PM IndirectActiveTransport
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** Even if you accept the children's story, Moody's eye itself could be the product of an {{anthropomorphic personification}} or {{physical god}}. If you don't, and the cloak is just a brilliant human invention, well, then so is the eye. Depending on how much Harry tells people "the magical" eye may become an object of legend itself.
22nd Feb '17 12:56:53 PM ScroogeMacDuck
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** Just because you can claim the ownership without killing, doesn't mean killing is not a valid option. V's reasoning was that ling before he stole the Wand, it had already switched allegiance to Snape, who'd killed it's master, hence V needs to claim its allegiance from Snape, and since he cannot steal the Wand from Sev, he has to "defreat" him. Sure, stunning might probably work, but for Voldemort MurderIsTheBestOption. Of course, you'd think that after the Death Eaters returned from their raid, he'd want to hear or see how exactly his nemesis died, so Drako's disarming of DD would've been revealed, but that's just me.

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** Just because you can claim the ownership without killing, doesn't mean killing is not a valid option. V's reasoning was that ling before he stole the Wand, it had already switched allegiance to Snape, who'd killed it's master, hence V needs to claim its allegiance from Snape, and since he cannot steal the Wand from Sev, he has to "defreat" "defeat" him. Sure, stunning might probably work, but for Voldemort MurderIsTheBestOption. Of course, you'd think that after the Death Eaters returned from their raid, he'd want to hear or see how exactly his nemesis died, so Drako's disarming of DD would've been revealed, but that's just me.


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** It's ''not'' useless. It does one, very useful thing: it brings the souls of the dead onto the mortal plane. This backfired for Cadmus, because he couldn't bear the grief of being next to the soul of his beloved without being truly able to connect with her. But it doesn't have an independant "drives people to suicide" spell on it, it's just the effect it had on Cadmus due to the soul he recalled being that of his dead girlfriend. It ''could'' be very useful, in a more pragmatic way. For instance, you can call back a murder victim and asks them who did it. You can call back Fermat and ask him what that proof of that last theorem ''was''. Etc. Etc. Also, you can call anybody at all and ask them what the Afterlife is like, and write that down and make it public, finally lifting these issues for good.
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