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25th May '17 10:27:45 AM sugaricequeen
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* Other than the Administrivia/DefaultAnswer, how did Voldemort and his Death Eaters take over ALL OF BRITAIN just by placing an Imperius Curse on just a few officials? The citizens just accepted the new regime despite being in an open war with the Death Eaters and still VASTLY OUTNUMBERING THEM! Shouldn't there have been some sort of resistance from the Aurors and normal citizens alike? I mean, they were just allowing citizens to be dragged away and killed. Don't tell me they didn't know, everyone did.

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* Other than the Administrivia/DefaultAnswer, how did Voldemort and his Death Eaters take over ALL OF BRITAIN just by placing an Imperius Curse on just a few officials? The citizens just accepted the new regime despite being in an open war with the Death Eaters and still VASTLY OUTNUMBERING THEM! vastly outnumbering them! Shouldn't there have been some sort of resistance from the Aurors and normal citizens alike? I mean, they were just allowing citizens to be dragged away and killed. Don't tell me they didn't know, everyone did.
16th Apr '17 8:44:50 PM TheNaiveSkeptic
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**** Except for that one time that it totally did happen... [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans]]
9th Dec '16 7:54:11 PM Darkknightskye
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* It's worth mentioning here as well in other Headscratcher pages for the series: we only see what Harry sees. We only hear what Harry hears. Just because we don't SEE more of Molly Weasley's dueling prowess, or we don't SEE more of the wizarding community coming up at arms against Voldy, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Yes, it may have been better for us to get a passing reference to it, but that's not saying that it didn't happen.
16th Jun '16 8:51:27 PM timemonkey
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* By doing it bit by bit until things were sufficiently in accord with the Death Eater point of view. There's already the corruption from the belief in blood purity that's the uncomfortable undercurrent of the entire wizard society. All Voldemort's minions had to do was build on that, start rumors about muggle-borns gaining their powers by stealing them from true wizards, thus explaining squibs in the process, then have 'official' sources state they've done research and found it to be true. Not everyone will believe but the gullible will, and the fearful and indifferent won't stand up on their own, and now every wizard and witch must prove their blood purity or be labled a criminal. Then you extend punishment to those hiding and aiding muggle-borns, increasing the severity of the punishments as you go. Most of the wizarding upper class are pure bloods, with the bulk of middle class as half-bloods, muggle-birns are important for keeping the gene pools from becoming to similar but they remain a minority. Why risk your neck, and the rest of your family and friends as well, when you're not really affected by it? By the corrupted legal system the Death Eaters are perfectly legal and it's the resistance that are criminals.
21st Apr '16 2:00:08 AM Luppercus
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****If worth something, WordOfGod says Umbridge was never a Death Eater.
8th Jul '15 1:52:54 AM TARINunit9
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*** Highly educated? Wizards are, quite frankly, not the brightest lights in the firmament. Don't forget that at age thirteen, Harry is taught that the historical witch burnings were "pointless" because none of the '''tens of thousands of victims''' were actual wizards or witches. And this is under Dumbledore's supposedly progressive leadership. This is not the sort of thinking that results in a population that is inclined to defend itself.

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*** Highly educated? Wizards are, quite frankly, not the brightest lights in the firmament. Don't forget that at age thirteen, Harry is taught that the historical witch burnings were "pointless" because none of the '''tens of thousands of victims''' were actual wizards or witches. And this is under Dumbledore's supposedly progressive leadership. This is not the sort of thinking that results in a population that is inclined to defend itself. (And just to ice the cake, the "historical witch burnings didn't kill any witches" was later retcon'd to be total bullshit; hundreds of wizards were killed by the inquisitors).
28th Dec '14 1:18:35 PM Redmess
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**** I think it is more a question of unquestioning loyalty to the government, regardless of who runs it. Remember, there is such a thing as collaborators.
8th Sep '14 9:08:52 PM Mr.Troper
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******* One effective way I can think of to get people to accept the Death Eaters would be for Thicknesse to announce that anyone who defected would be given amnesty and a Ministry position. A liberal amount of "defections" later and the Death Eaters are in control of the Ministry and the statue gets built.
21st Jun '14 8:29:41 AM tryrar
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*** The sizable resistance consisted of people, some with ill-repute and others with strong repute, hiding in the shadows doing nothing. Sure, they resisted intellectually, but big deal. Meanwhile, Vold-dude and his cronies killed and enslaved people. There may be good explanations as to the reason why the general wizarding populace didn't rise up in rebellion, but the significant problem is that those explanations were not given in the book. The author did a poor job in this regard. In a society as highly educated and sophisticated as the wizarding world, it is very unlikely that a notorious criminal (one so vile, so evil, so undeniably malicious that none but a significant minority dared even mutter his name) could seize control and not [[FightingForSurvival be met by a massive uprising]]. It would be akin to the world's most renowned murderer taking control of a democratic government and no one having the balls to stand up to him (even though numerous members of the armed forces [aka aurors, etc] were opposed to him as well).

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*** The sizable resistance consisted of people, some with ill-repute and others with strong repute, hiding in the shadows doing nothing. Sure, they resisted intellectually, but big deal. Meanwhile, Vold-dude and his cronies killed and enslaved people. There may be good explanations as to the reason why the general wizarding populace didn't rise up in rebellion, but the significant problem is that those explanations were not given in the book. The author did a poor job in this regard. In a society as highly educated and sophisticated as the wizarding world, it is very unlikely that a notorious criminal (one so vile, so evil, so undeniably malicious that none but a significant minority dared even mutter his name) could seize control and not [[FightingForSurvival be met by a massive uprising]].uprising. It would be akin to the world's most renowned murderer taking control of a democratic government and no one having the balls to stand up to him (even though numerous members of the armed forces [aka aurors, etc] were opposed to him as well).
16th Jun '14 3:47:52 PM rexpensive
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**** The explanation was clearly stated within the first few chapters of the book. The wizarding populace is afraid that their families will be attacked by Voldemort, just like other families have been. And, like most people, [[DyingLikeAnimals they rely upon the government to handle these threats]]. Even in the US, we would reasonably expect these kinds of things handled by one of the various law enforcement agencies at the national or state levels at the least. Even if civilian assistance was needed, there's the draft. And the Geneva Convention makes distinctions between combatants and civilians and how they are treated.

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**** The explanation was clearly stated within the first few chapters of the book. The wizarding populace is afraid that their families will be attacked by Voldemort, just like other families have been. And, like most people, [[DyingLikeAnimals they rely upon the government to handle these threats]].threats. Even in the US, we would reasonably expect these kinds of things handled by one of the various law enforcement agencies at the national or state levels at the least. Even if civilian assistance was needed, there's the draft. And the Geneva Convention makes distinctions between combatants and civilians and how they are treated.
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