History Headscratchers / HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallowsAlbusDumbledoreGoodOrBad

2nd Oct '16 4:06:48 AM Luppercus
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** At the end all these is very subjective (I almost finish all the Potter-related headscratchers) and yes, some readers clearly think Dumbledore was evil, Harry was a self-centered moron, Hagrid and idiot, the wizard racists bartards, Rowling a terrible writer, etc. (and I guess they really didn’t enjoyed the books, and that’s OK, they also have the right to express their frustration about the narrative), and of course some other tropers (myself included) and probably most readers did enjoyed the books and have a good opinion of Harry, Dumbledore and the rest of the characters. That’s how good books work, they make you think, won’t have bland characters like Twilight. I do have to respect Rowling for not making her characters just unidimensional “good vs evil” characters but on the contrary by trying to make even the good guys complex and morally ambiguous with shades of gray, as is real people in real life. GRR Marti does something similar.
2nd Oct '16 3:51:39 AM Luppercus
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** About the protection that brings Private Drive, was discussed before but the assumption that he is protected while in the house is very literal. He is protected as far as he considers the place home [as in permanent residence] and is protected everywhere. With the Dementors' attack was sent by Umbridge who is not a DE nor acting on behalf of Voldemort (and the protection is specific from Voldermort and his servants). About the rest, yes seems to be some contradictory argument here about Dumbledore’s evilness as two opposite actions are pointed ad proof; whether he neglected Harry or he favoured him, which one is it?
2nd Oct '16 3:39:09 AM Luppercus
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** Just for the record this page is call “Dumbledore; good or bad?” not “Dumbledore the bad, as we told you so” (though some probably would like that), so the issue is not settle, is open to debate.
2nd Oct '16 3:20:14 AM Luppercus
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***Doesn’t evacuating the school might put the students in even more danger? They don’t know what is causing the petrifications, it could be something that they could carry with them to their houses or even a contagious disease that could spread as an epidemic.
2nd Oct '16 3:16:50 AM Luppercus
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*** The problem with siding with an idea [in this case be convinced that Dumbledore is evil and trying to convince everyone else] is that no matter what Dumbledore does, supports the theory. If he is active about something then is his fault because he caused it, if he is passive (like not using legilimency) then is his fault because of negligency, if the scenarios where the other way around then they’ll be using the “he MindRape students” as prove. But, to be honest, same logic is use by the “Dumbledore is good” supporters, though inverted, because that’s how human mind works.

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*** The problem with siding with an idea [in this case be convinced that Dumbledore is evil and trying to convince everyone else] is that no matter what Dumbledore does, supports the theory. If he is active about something then is his fault because he caused it, if he is passive (like not using legilimency) then is his fault because of negligency, if the scenarios where the other way around then they’ll be using the “he MindRape students” as prove.proof. But, to be honest, same logic is use by the “Dumbledore is good” supporters, though inverted, because that’s how human mind works.
2nd Oct '16 3:15:40 AM Luppercus
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*** The problem with siding with an idea [in this case be convinced that Dumbledore is evil and trying to convince everyone else] is that no matter what Dumbledore does, supports the theory. If he is active about something then is his fault because he caused it, if he is passive (like not using legilimency) then is his fault because of negligency, if the scenarios where the other way around then they’ll be using the “he MindRape students” as prove. But, to be honest, same logic is use by the “Dumbledore is good” supporters, though inverted, because that’s how human mind works.
2nd Oct '16 3:04:28 AM Luppercus
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** Alright, definitely some people did read different books or maybe some fanfics. Sorry but the books (the real, official ones) made clear that the Dursleys were always careful enough that their abuse of Harry never brought them legal problems. They never physically abused him or malnourished him, he also has glasses so they took him to the eye doctor, he has normal teeth so they pay for regular visits to the dentist, etc. They only became meaner as the books continue and several circumstances embittered them against him even further, and then yes they started to do things like lock him in his bedroom and deprive him of food after several magical incidents cause them trouble (which was a common gag in the books). The pan to the head case was a very obscure reference from a memory of Harry being a child and could easily be just a treat that he remembered different (though still ethically questionable) but, call me naïve, I never ever thought Petunia would ever hit Harry. Vernon, maybe, but even he doesn’t seem the kind of person that would beat a child. And as said before, even if Vernon’s abuse would be enough for him to be jailed (very doubtfully by the way, sadly even in real life you need to do a lot worst to a child to be put in jail) as other tropers said then what? Petunia doesn’t have a job, how is she gonna raise TWO kids? \\\

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** Alright, definitely some people did read different books or maybe some fanfics. Sorry but the books (the real, official ones) made clear that the Dursleys were always careful enough that their abuse of Harry never brought them legal problems. They never physically abused him or malnourished him, he also has glasses so they took him to the eye doctor, he has normal teeth so they pay payed for regular visits to the dentist, etc. They only became meaner as the books continue continued and several circumstances embittered them against him even further, and then yes they started to do things like lock locked him in his bedroom and deprive deprived him of food after several magical incidents cause caused them trouble (which was a common gag in the books). The pan to the head case was a very obscure reference from a memory of Harry being a child and could easily be just a treat that he remembered different (though still ethically questionable) but, call me naïve, I never ever thought Petunia would ever hit Harry. Vernon, maybe, but even he doesn’t seem the kind of person that would beat a child. And as said before, even if Vernon’s abuse would be enough for him to be jailed (very doubtfully by the way, sadly even in real life you need to do a lot worst to a child to be put in jail) as other tropers said then what? Petunia doesn’t have a job, how is she gonna raise TWO kids? \\\
2nd Oct '16 3:00:23 AM Luppercus
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** Alright, definitely some people did read different books or maybe some fanfics. Sorry but the books (the real, official ones) made clear that the Dursleys were always careful enough that their abuse of Harry never brought them legal problems. They never physically abused him or malnourished him, he also has glasses so they took him to the eye doctor, he has normal teeth so they pay for regular visits to the dentist, etc. They only became meaner as the books continue and several circumstances embittered them against him even further, and then yes they started to do things like lock him in his bedroom and deprive him of food after several magical incidents cause them trouble (which was a common gag in the books). The pan to the head case was a very obscure reference from a memory of Harry being a child and could easily be just a treat that he remembered different (though still ethically questionable) but, call me naïve, I never ever thought Petunia would ever hit Harry. Vernon, maybe, but even he doesn’t seem the kind of person that would beat a child. And as said before, even if Vernon’s abuse would be enough for him to be jailed (very doubtfully by the way, sadly even in real life you need to do a lot worst to a child to be put in jail) as other tropers said then what? Petunia doesn’t have a job, how is she gonna raise TWO kids? \\\
As for the protection that Private Drive gives and the Dementor attack, you’re forgetting something: Harry actually survives the Dementor attack! We don’t really know if the Dementor was gonna be able to give him the kiss, as far as we know the Dementor would have been destroyed before he could do it, but we don’t know cause never get to that part (Dudley on the other hand was in real danger).
2nd Oct '16 2:45:31 AM Luppercus
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** Jeez some people really never get over the “binding magical contract” thing. First is not a sentient thing, is not like a lawyer saying “Ok, here are the terms and conditions” and “the fulfillment of the signing parts agree to the following exceptions…” is A SPELL, is something MAGICAL that probably works under very ambiguous and abstract terms. Essentially: if your name is selected by the cup you have to compete or dare grave consequences. Really, guys, let it go, that’s the definition of nitpicking.

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** Jeez some people really never get over the “binding magical contract” thing. First is not a sentient thing, is not like a lawyer saying “Ok, here are the terms and conditions” and “the fulfillment of the signing parts agree to the following exceptions…” is A SPELL, is something MAGICAL that probably works under very ambiguous and abstract terms. Essentially: if your name is selected by the cup you have to compete or dare grave consequences. Really, guys, let it go, that’s the definition of nitpicking.
2nd Oct '16 2:44:47 AM Luppercus
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** Jeez some people really never get over the “binding magical contract” thing. First is not a sentient thing, is not like a lawyer saying “Ok, here are the terms and conditions” and “the fulfillment of the signing parts agree to the following exceptions…” is A SPELL, is something MAGICAL that probably works under very ambiguous and abstract terms. Essentially: if your name is selected by the cup you have to compete or dare grave consequences. Really, guys, let it go, that’s the definition of nitpicking.
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