History Headscratchers / GunGrave

16th Sep '15 7:49:06 AM DesignatedNPC
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*** Short of the orgmen, Harry doesn't do anything that Big Daddy couldn't have and may well have done. Eliminate rivals? Par for the course. Absorb said rivals? Ditto. Kill friends? Given the emphasis on the Code of Iron, and we ''see'' it being enforced by men from Big Daddy's "generation," it's at least a distinct possibility. Bioengineered zombie-men aside, the only "proof" we have that Big Daddy was a kinder, gentler criminal or that he was "good" for the city is the way he's framed by the narrative, whether or not it makes sense. We only see Big Daddy ''after'' his ascent, and one of the points the anime makes is that becoming powerful lets you put up a "legit" front: Compare the early-series street-level gangs with Millenion. Additionally, Big Daddy's uniting the Mob would have entailed chaos of the Capone-era, violence-in-the-streets type, given how corrupt the city is/was and how strongly other factions would have resisted; most of the conflict during Harry's tenure comes from other gangs and the Millenion splinter-group. Harry's dealings with the orgmen may make him worse than Big Daddy, but I doubt it's as big a gap as the anime wants us to believe. Granted, the focus was on Brandon and Harry, but Big Daddy's depiction as the "good gangster" boils down to "He did all his bad stuff ''offscreen''."
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*** Short of the orgmen, Harry doesn't do anything that Big Daddy couldn't have and may well have done. Eliminate rivals? Par for the course. Absorb said rivals? Ditto. Kill people? All in a day's work. Kill friends? Given the emphasis on the Code of Iron, and we ''see'' it being enforced by men from Big Daddy's "generation," enforced, it's at least a distinct possibility. Bioengineered zombie-men aside, the only "proof" we have that Big Daddy was a kinder, gentler kinder criminal or that he was "good" for the city is the way he's framed by the narrative, whether or not it makes sense. framed. We only see Big Daddy ''after'' his ascent, and one of the points the anime makes is that becoming powerful lets makes you put up a "legit" front: "legit": Compare the early-series street-level gangs with Millenion. Additionally, Big Daddy's uniting the Mob would have entailed chaos of the Capone-era, violence-in-the-streets type, Capone-era chaos, given how corrupt the city is/was and how strongly other factions would have resisted; most of the conflict during Harry's tenure comes from other gangs and the Millenion splinter-group. If we're talking intentions, Big Daddy was at best practicing enlightened self-interest; he wanted to be at the top and so did Harry, both rationalizing that the city/Millenion would be better off if they led it. That said, the anime makes it clear that intentions don't matter as much as the result: Brandon ''intended'' to protect his friends, but wound up getting them killed. Harry ''intended'' to use Sherry, but wound up loving her. It comes down to "Big Daddy is the Ghandi of the Mafia and never did anything that a mob-boss would have to do" or "We don't ''see'' Big Daddy's climb, so take our word for it, he's basically Santa Claus." Harry's dealings with the orgmen may make him worse than Big Daddy, the darker out of the two, but I doubt it's as big a gap as the anime wants us to believe. Granted, the focus was on Brandon and Harry, but Big Daddy's depiction as the "good gangster" boils down to "He did all his bad stuff ''offscreen''."
16th Sep '15 7:37:07 AM DesignatedNPC
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*** Short of the orgmen, Harry doesn't do anything that Big Daddy couldn't have and may well have done. Eliminate rivals? Par for the course. Absorb said rivals? Ditto. Kill friends on your way to the top? Given the emphasis on the Code of Iron, and we ''see'' it being enforced by men from Big Daddy's "generation," I'd say it's at least a distinct possibility. Bioengineered zombie-men aside, the only "proof" we have that Big Daddy was a kinder, gentler breed of criminal or that he was "good" for the city is the way he's framed by the narrative, whether or not it makes any sense. We only see Big Daddy after his ascent, and one of the points the anime makes is that becoming a powerful criminal lets you put up a "legit" front: Compare the early-series street-level gangs with Millenion, both during Big Daddy's reign and while Harry's in charge. Harry's dealings with the orgmen may make him worse than Big Daddy, but I doubt it's as big a gap as the anime wants us to believe.
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*** Short of the orgmen, Harry doesn't do anything that Big Daddy couldn't have and may well have done. Eliminate rivals? Par for the course. Absorb said rivals? Ditto. Kill friends on your way to the top? friends? Given the emphasis on the Code of Iron, and we ''see'' it being enforced by men from Big Daddy's "generation," I'd say it's at least a distinct possibility. Bioengineered zombie-men aside, the only "proof" we have that Big Daddy was a kinder, gentler breed of criminal or that he was "good" for the city is the way he's framed by the narrative, whether or not it makes any sense. We only see Big Daddy after ''after'' his ascent, and one of the points the anime makes is that becoming a powerful criminal lets you put up a "legit" front: Compare the early-series street-level gangs with Millenion, both during Millenion. Additionally, Big Daddy's reign uniting the Mob would have entailed chaos of the Capone-era, violence-in-the-streets type, given how corrupt the city is/was and while how strongly other factions would have resisted; most of the conflict during Harry's in charge.tenure comes from other gangs and the Millenion splinter-group. Harry's dealings with the orgmen may make him worse than Big Daddy, but I doubt it's as big a gap as the anime wants us to believe. Granted, the focus was on Brandon and Harry, but Big Daddy's depiction as the "good gangster" boils down to "He did all his bad stuff ''offscreen''."
16th Sep '15 7:26:31 AM DesignatedNPC
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*** Short of the orgmen, Harry doesn't do anything that Big Daddy couldn't have and may well have done. Eliminate rivals? Par for the course. Absorb said rivals? Ditto. Kill friends on your way to the top? Given the emphasis on the Code of Iron, and we ''see'' it being enforced by men from Big Daddy's "generation," I'd say it's at least a distinct possibility. Bioengineered zombie-men aside, the only "proof" we have that Big Daddy was a kinder, gentler criminal before he became too powerful to challenge is his own word and the way he's framed by the narrative, whether or not that makes any sense. We only see Big Daddy after his ascent, and one of the points the anime makes is how becoming a professional/powerful criminal lets you put up a more "legit" front: Compare the early-series street-level gangs with Millenion, both during Big Daddy's reign and while Harry's in charge. If there's anything Harry taught us, it's that a nice suit doesn't mean a nice guy.
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*** Short of the orgmen, Harry doesn't do anything that Big Daddy couldn't have and may well have done. Eliminate rivals? Par for the course. Absorb said rivals? Ditto. Kill friends on your way to the top? Given the emphasis on the Code of Iron, and we ''see'' it being enforced by men from Big Daddy's "generation," I'd say it's at least a distinct possibility. Bioengineered zombie-men aside, the only "proof" we have that Big Daddy was a kinder, gentler breed of criminal before or that he became too powerful to challenge was "good" for the city is his own word and the way he's framed by the narrative, whether or not that it makes any sense. We only see Big Daddy after his ascent, and one of the points the anime makes is how that becoming a professional/powerful powerful criminal lets you put up a more "legit" front: Compare the early-series street-level gangs with Millenion, both during Big Daddy's reign and while Harry's in charge. If there's anything Harry taught us, Harry's dealings with the orgmen may make him worse than Big Daddy, but I doubt it's that as big a nice suit doesn't mean a nice guy.gap as the anime wants us to believe.
16th Sep '15 7:24:14 AM DesignatedNPC
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*** Short of the orgmen, Harry doesn't do anything that Big Daddy couldn't have and may well have done. Eliminate rivals? Par for the course. Absorb said rivals? Ditto. Kill friends on your way to the top? Given the emphasis on the Code of Iron, and we ''see'' it being enforced by men from Big Daddy's "generation," I'd say it's at least a distinct possibility. Bioengineered zombie-men aside, the only "proof" we have that Big Daddy was a kinder, gentler criminal before he became too powerful to challenge is his own word and the way he's framed by the narrative, whether or not that makes any sense. We only see Big Daddy after his ascent, and one of the points the anime makes is how becoming a professional/powerful criminal lets you put up a more "legit" front: Compare the early-series street-level gangs with Millenion, both during Big Daddy's reign and while Harry's in charge. If there's anything Harry taught us, it's that a nice suit doesn't mean a nice guy.
30th Oct '12 7:45:32 PM Mullon
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* What really bothered me was the revelation that [[spoiler: alien parasites were behind it all]]. I'm all for the series, but I was kinda hoping that it would be like ResidentEvil (man-made viruses/bio-engineered viruses being a component of necro-rise). Did it just ''have'' to be [[spoiler: aliens]]?
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* What really bothered me was the revelation that [[spoiler: alien parasites were behind it all]]. I'm all for the series, but I was kinda hoping that it would be like ResidentEvil Franchise/ResidentEvil (man-made viruses/bio-engineered viruses being a component of necro-rise). Did it just ''have'' to be [[spoiler: aliens]]?
19th Jun '12 11:27:33 AM Larkmarn
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** I think intentions are part of the mitigating factor. Harry was motivated purely by self-interest and power, Big Daddy was... vaguely interested in a greater good. Some modicum of order in an otherwise chaotic city. Someone's going to be on top, and people will die getting that person there. Someone relatively benign, not trying to stir anything up pretty much for the sake of stirring it up. Plus, we don't know the details to Big Daddy's rise to power. No matter how ruthless he had been, there's no way he was anywhere near as bad as Harry, who caused chaos and violence in order to move up, and when he reached the top he was pretty much a calming influence on the underworld. He certainly wasn't personally shipping out mutant freaks for the sake of starting wars. But still, good point. They gloss over what Big Daddy must've done, but I think most people will agree that it pales in comparison to Harry.
1st May '12 4:23:47 AM DesignatedNPC
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*** Oh, well... That makes sense. Not sure how I missed that one. *** I know what confused me. In the sub, Harry's rant is using the past-tense, so it made more sense: "Big Daddy took something, so I took everything." In the dub, Harry uses the present-tense, so I wasn't sure if he was just in the midst of a raving-madman moment, seeing as he ''already'' took everything from a man who's already long dead.
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*** Oh, well... That makes sense. Not sure how I missed that one. *** I know what confused me. one. In retrospect, it might have been the sub, different tenses in the sub and dub versions. ... So, does Brandon realize that Harry killed Big Daddy and Maria because of him? * Big Daddy's portrayal in the anime is more that of a saint than a man who ran one of the most successful crime syndicates in town. It bothers me that Big Daddy is apparently absolved of the ruthless dealings necessary to become leader of the Mob, and make it a success, because he regrets his actions and Harry's rant is using are worse in comparison. Or can you really repent all the past-tense, so it made more sense: "Big Daddy took something, so I took everything." In the dub, Harry uses the present-tense, so I wasn't sure evil you've done while continuing to do it, just with rules about in-fighting and family-friendly picnics? Or, if he was just in basically a figurehead, does the midst fact that he's not actively running it make him innocent while he lives off ill-gotten gains and allows it to continue? ''The Godfather'' painted both Michael and Vito as family men, but made no bones about the fact that they were also murderers who were responsible for murderers. Their karmic deaths can thus be seen as a direct result of their criminal actions, no matter how noble their intentions; Big Daddy's death makes him look like an innocent victim of "Also, Harry's a raving-madman moment, seeing as he ''already'' took everything from a man who's already long dead.bastard now. A ''crazy'' bastard."
30th Apr '12 10:38:22 PM DesignatedNPC
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*** Oh, well... That makes sense. Not sure how I missed that one.[[hottip:*:And may I just say: What a surprisingly prompt reply.]]
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*** Oh, well... That makes sense. Not sure how I missed that one.[[hottip:*:And may one. *** I know what confused me. In the sub, Harry's rant is using the past-tense, so it made more sense: "Big Daddy took something, so I took everything." In the dub, Harry uses the present-tense, so I wasn't sure if he was just say: What in the midst of a surprisingly prompt reply.]]raving-madman moment, seeing as he ''already'' took everything from a man who's already long dead.
20th Apr '12 9:28:21 AM DesignatedNPC
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*** Ah, thought so.[[hottip:*:And may I just say: What a surprisingly prompt reply.]]
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*** Ah, thought so.Oh, well... That makes sense. Not sure how I missed that one.[[hottip:*:And may I just say: What a surprisingly prompt reply.]]
20th Apr '12 9:15:48 AM DesignatedNPC
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*** Ah, thought so.[[hottip:*:And thanks, for the surprisingly prompt reply.]]
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*** Ah, thought so.[[hottip:*:And thanks, for the may I just say: What a surprisingly prompt reply.]]
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