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* How did Cabanela and Pigeon Man know about the contraption? Jowd says he never told anyone about it, he hid the gun away, and all the ropes burned up after it was used. So how did they even find out it existed, let alone recreate it so perfectly?
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** Jowd could have given it to Sissel, a Jailhouse Rock pun (possibly InUniverse).

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** Jowd could have given it to Sissel, a Jailhouse Rock pun (possibly InUniverse).InUniverse), and people have been known to wear "jailbirds clothing" for style points.
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** Umm... you weren't paying attention to the ending, were you? Yomiel stated that Sissel, Missle, Jowd and himself would be the only ones to remember after the future is changed. The reason that no one else remembers is that, because of they prevented Yomiel from getting killed by the Temsik fragment, thus changing the flow of time ten years on, everyone but those four forgot. Even if they previously had a core, they would not remember because the future was changed so radically, the circumstances around the various deaths would never occur and thus no need for a Ghost Trick and a resulting core.

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** Umm... you weren't paying attention to At the ending, were you? end, Yomiel stated that Sissel, Missle, Jowd and himself would be the only ones to remember after the future is changed. The reason that no one else remembers is that, because of they prevented Yomiel from getting killed by the Temsik fragment, thus changing the flow of time ten years on, everyone but those four forgot. Even if they previously had a core, they would not remember because the future was changed so radically, the circumstances around the various deaths would never occur and thus no need for a Ghost Trick and a resulting core.
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** He was unconscious when Sissel went back to advert his death. And Lynne didn't develop a core until after she was saved the second time, when she did regain consciousness while 'dead'.
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* Was it ever explained why Detective Rindge doesn’t develop a core after you save him?
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** You can see how Yomiel is about to switch from Sissel’s body back to his own at the beginning of the game. He runs off when he notices that Lynne is watching him. The latter obviously didn’t happen in the timeline where she died. His body is taken away by the time he returns.
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** Detective Rindge mentions how “that annoying leaflet guy” disappeared when he used the restroom earlier. So there you have it. The guard on duty missed the kidnapping because he was on the toilet.
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** It's also possible that Past!Jowd just simply named Sissel after Yomiel's Fiancée in the intervening years between the final change and the present. After all, the case had a major impact on Jowd (pun intended), and it wouldn't be out of the question that he'd keep tabs on Yomiel while he was serving his sentence. It admittedly would be more unusual and out of the way for him to go naming the cat after a criminal's fiancée even if said cat was involved in the case, but it's not uncommon for time travel stories to play InSpiteOfANail regardless of the chances of those conditions playing out.
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*** Either he doesn't, or he'll have to find a pharmacy opens at night and pay an extra charge for the odd hours, or he'll die on his next panic attack... Or would have, if his condition wasn't caused by possession related stress that went away in the new timeline.
** First, medications have a small added dose of emetics, precisely so that anyone trying a similar stunt, by accident or attempted suicide would just puke them all up and be very very sick. Second, if that dose was enough to kill him despite that, it'd be by slow, long agonizing organ damage... Either way, he only needed to live long enough to enable pushing the ResetButton where it's all a moot point.


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** Sissel can't even lift a dictionary, no way, no how he can deploy enough force to activate an impact fuze. And if the impact fuze on that torpedo was that sensitive, the torpedo would have gone off long before and sunk the sub, and there would have been no story. As for Lynne's comment, it's just Lynne being Lynne.
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** Temsik park hasn't been protected by cops, but by "armed agents", AKA by the local NoSuchAgency. Considering the international espionage case they're dealing with, they may not particularly care about a child abduction that's presumably unrelated to their main assignment, especially since dealing with it opened up the park to real foreign agents.
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** Also, these are older models NV Goggles. That means they're heavy, bulky objects, give a bad case of tunnel vision, all the while having an incredibly low resolution.
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* Something just came to my mind while watching a let's play of the torpedo mission. Lynne tells Sissel about the detonation button and tells him not to press it. But couldn't they have just blown the torpedo up before it could hit the submarine? Cause as shown in the game, even when they managed to active the safe guards to prevent the torpedo from exploding, it still crashed into the submarine and left a hole in the wall. Blowing it up could've prevented that in the first place. My own guess is because of the rat that stowed away on the torpedo and they didn't want to blow it up.
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** Better question: How does he have enough medicine left for later on when he has another panic attack?
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* When the Justice Minister takes his heart medication, he chugs the whole bottle. Wouldn't that kill him? He even lampshades it; his dosage is two pills.

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* When and how does Yomiel's fiancee die? If I recall, she was never shown on screen. Did she die before or after the park incident, and how did she die?
** If I remember correctly the fiancee dies after hearing the news of Yomiel's "death". Afterwards she writes a note saying, "Yomiel, I'm coming for you". Seeing as she thought he was dead, we can only guess she committed suicide to follow him to death. At least, before the 10 year change.

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* When and how does Yomiel's fiancee die? If I recall, she She was never shown on screen. Did she die before or after the park incident, and how did she die?
** If I remember correctly the The fiancee dies after hearing the news of Yomiel's "death". Afterwards she writes a note saying, "Yomiel, I'm coming for you". Seeing as she thought he was dead, we can only guess she committed suicide to follow him to death. At least, before the 10 year change.



*** Makes sense, I guess... I did pay attention to the ending, but I admit I was already more than just a bit confused at how everything happened.



* Just what was that machine attached to the head of the fat prisoner? He puts it on himself, so I suppose it's nothing ''bad'', but...

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* Just what was that machine attached to the head of the fat prisoner? He puts it on himself, so I suppose it's probably nothing ''bad'', but...



** Actually, this troper thinks that the device was simply one of those lights worn by miners and cave explorers. This would make sense, since he was digging a hole out of the prison the entire time.

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** Actually, this troper thinks that Maybe the device was simply one of those lights worn by miners and cave explorers. This would make sense, since he was digging a hole out of the prison the entire time.



** Well, there was a WMG that Jeego and Tengo are actually robots, like Sith's assistant. Maybe they were only built for that deal (though I think they mentioned something about former hits, so that might not be it). Beyond that, your guess is as good as mine.

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** Well, there was a WMG that Jeego and Tengo are actually robots, like Sith's assistant. Maybe they were only built for that deal (though I think they (they mentioned something about former hits, so that might not be it). Beyond that, your guess is as good as mine.



* Just how did Lynne and Jowd board the submarine by the end of the game? I mean, did the submarine wait above water level for them to sneak in, or they swam there undetected, and opened the hatch from outside without flooding it or anyone noticing?
** Not 100% sure on this, but because Cabanela gave them the radio tracker watch to trace the bullet he shot Yomiel with, they were able to follow him. And I think either Lynne or Jowd say outright that they stowed away on Yomiel's boat when Yomiel went to rendezvous with the sub.
** I don't remember anything being said about stowing away on Yomiel's boat, but I think it's mentioned in the dialogue that Lynne and Jowd boarded the submarine when it surfaced.
** Having just played the game again, it is explicitly said by Lynne that she and Jowd tracked Yomiel to his boat and then stowed away on it, so, yeah.

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* Just how did Lynne and Jowd board the submarine by the end of the game? I mean, did Did the submarine wait above water level for them to sneak in, or they swam there undetected, and opened the hatch from outside without flooding it or anyone noticing?
** Not 100% sure on this, but because Cabanela gave them the radio tracker watch to trace the bullet he shot Yomiel with, they were able to follow him. And I think either Either Lynne or Jowd say outright that they stowed away on Yomiel's boat when Yomiel went to rendezvous with the sub.
** I don't remember anything being Nothing was said about stowing away on Yomiel's boat, but I think it's mentioned in the dialogue that Lynne and Jowd boarded the submarine when it surfaced.
** Having just played the game again, it It is explicitly said by Lynne that she and Jowd tracked Yomiel to his boat and then stowed away on it, so, yeah.it.



* Does Sissel lose all memory of things he learns while repeating his "four minutes before" trips? I can justify repeated dialogue as GameplayAndStorySegregation, but what about in chapter 10? If he follows the immediate phone call, he learns that Beauty faked the minister's daughter's screams for help to convince him she was kidnapped. Yet even if he hears that, once he actually saves the man's life, he still believes it might be true. And if he does forget, how does that work with Ray remembering his first failed attempt to get Sissel's help?
** Missile didn't know what a kidnapping was. I thought that Sissel didn't really understand it either, being a cat and all.

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* Does Sissel lose all memory of things he learns while repeating his "four minutes before" trips? I can justify repeated Repeated dialogue can be justified as GameplayAndStorySegregation, but what about in chapter 10? If he follows the immediate phone call, he learns that Beauty faked the minister's daughter's screams for help to convince him she was kidnapped. Yet even if he hears that, once he actually saves the man's life, he still believes it might be true. And if he does forget, how does that work with Ray remembering his first failed attempt to get Sissel's help?
** Missile didn't know what a kidnapping was. I thought that Sissel didn't really understand it either, being a cat and all.



** If this troper recalls correctly, Sissel actually says something like "I knew she wasn't kidnapped, but it feels good to be certain". And as said above, the main point was to convince the minister of it.

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** If this troper recalls correctly, Sissel actually says something like "I knew she wasn't kidnapped, but it feels good to be certain". And as said above, the main point was to convince the minister of it.



* Um... Why exactly doesn't Yomiel want anyone to know about him? I get that he'd get in trouble for the hostage situation or whatever, but really, a desperately lonely immortal should really just tell someone. He'd get famous.

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* Um... Why exactly doesn't Yomiel want anyone to know about him? I get that he'd He'd get in trouble for the hostage situation or whatever, but really, a desperately lonely immortal should really just tell someone. He'd get famous.



* What criteria does an object (not a living person) have to meet before gaining a core? I mean, you could possess a drop of water in one case; why couldn't you possess the ocean? ... That would be awesome.

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* What criteria does an object (not a living person) have to meet before gaining a core? I mean, you You could possess a drop of water in one case; why couldn't you possess the ocean? ... That would be awesome.



** Well, yeah, but then what criteria does an object have to meet to become an object? If you took it further, either A) the only objects you'd be able to possess would be celestial bodies, or B) every atom on Earth should be able to be possessed. I know it's [[GameplayAndStorySegregation for gameplay]], but...
*** It's stated by Yomiel and future!Missile that powers change over time. I guess this means Sissel's powers had limits at first, so he could only manipulate certain objects, like Yomiel who couldn't immediately possess people but could later on.

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** Well, yeah, but then what criteria does an object have to meet to become an object? If you took it further, either A) the only objects you'd be able to possess would be celestial bodies, or B) every atom on Earth should be able to be possessed. I know it's It's [[GameplayAndStorySegregation for gameplay]], but...
*** It's stated by Yomiel and future!Missile that powers change over time. I guess this This means Sissel's powers had limits at first, so he could only manipulate certain objects, like Yomiel who couldn't immediately possess people but could later on.



*** Actually, you go back to where the corpse lies. Jowd's body was moved from the location of death to the table in the next room. You appear in the past at the table. Same thing goes for every other death, except the two involved with a trick within a trick. I'm inclined to believe that the change in location has something to do with the double trick. Though the cop could be explained that his body was touching the van so it acted as a frame of reference, if he landed in the restaurant it may have started there. This doesn't explain the other one though. Maybe because of the nature of the body constantly be returned to the point just before death and the body was technically in the park at the time of death, maybe the park was still somehow a frame of reference. It could also be that these two deaths had crossed particularly long distances since the 4 minutes before death moment. Maybe, its a feature of the powers of the dead that you are close enough to the living body to see the person involved. For example, another common point is you generally find that the dead person has more or less been in the area they die in for the entire duration of the 4 minutes, with the only real oddballs being the cop and Yomiel. In fact, now that I mention it... there are actually a lot of unique things about those two cases that stand out: They were both encountered within a trick, their corpses were both really far away from the location they were at four minutes prior to death, and their deaths were the direct causes of deaths that you were trying to prevent in the context of the first trick in the double tricks. Maybe all these oddities add up somehow...

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*** Actually, you go back to where the corpse lies. Jowd's body was moved from the location of death to the table in the next room. You appear in the past at the table. Same thing goes for every other death, except the two involved with a trick within a trick. I'm inclined to believe that the change in location has something to do with the double trick. Though the cop could be explained that his body was touching the van so it acted as a frame of reference, if he landed in the restaurant it may have started there. This doesn't explain the other one though. Maybe because of the nature of the body constantly be returned to the point just before death and the body was technically in the park at the time of death, maybe the park was still somehow a frame of reference. It could also be that these two deaths had crossed particularly long distances since the 4 minutes before death moment. Maybe, its a feature of the powers of the dead that you are close enough to the living body to see the person involved. For example, another common point is you generally find that the dead person has more or less been in the area they die in for the entire duration of the 4 minutes, with the only real oddballs being the cop and Yomiel. In fact, now that I mention it... there There are actually a lot of unique things about those two cases that stand out: They were both encountered within a trick, their corpses were both really far away from the location they were at four minutes prior to death, and their deaths were the direct causes of deaths that you were trying to prevent in the context of the first trick in the double tricks. Maybe all these oddities add up somehow...



*** For what it's worth, a knit cap isn't only big and thin, but it's also flexible and has a lot of give. The split second of velocity the hat lost while it inverted itself on Cabalena's nose was probably enough to keep it from being fatal (and to be fair, it DOES knock him out, which is no mean feat for a knit cap). Compare it to the hard hat, which DOES kill him, despite being the same size and thickness. As for the potato...I got nuthin'.

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*** For what it's worth, a knit cap isn't only big and thin, but it's also flexible and has a lot of give. The split second of velocity the hat lost while it inverted itself on Cabalena's nose was probably enough to keep it from being fatal (and to be fair, it DOES knock him out, which is no mean feat for a knit cap). Compare it to the hard hat, which DOES kill him, despite being the same size and thickness. As for the potato...I got nuthin'.



*** No. Sith was merely disagreeing with his methods, not his goal. The impression I get is that Yomiel's main reason for going along with Sith was so that he would give him a new life to live. For him, it was worth killing for, and he wouldn't abandon it just because he doesn't get his revenge the way he wants.

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*** No. Sith was merely disagreeing with his methods, not his goal. The impression I get is that Yomiel's main reason for going along with Sith was so that he would give him a new life to live. For him, it was worth killing for, and he wouldn't abandon it just because he doesn't get his revenge the way he wants.



* Why is Yomiel portrayed as sympathetic? Sure he is given a tragic backstory and has had a pretty shitty life. Sure he expresses regret for taking Lynne hostage and yes he loves his cat, but lest we forget some of the sympathetic things he did: he murders a 5 year old girl's mother in front of her and makes her think she did it, he possesses a 10 year old girl and ''tries to make her kill her own father'', he actually succeeds in cold-bloodedly killing her in her own apartment as we see in the alternate timeline. And this is just what he does to Kamila! What's more, he shows no remorse until he's been stabbed in the back. But because he's not had a nice life, the entire last hour of the game is dedicated to making him a sympathetic character, and even the last image of the game is a TearJerker image of him drawing a picture of his precious cat. The actions I mentioned are MoralEventHorizon by most people's standards, no matter how crap your life has been. I'm getting Deja Vu to a similar glossing-over-of-a-villain's-faults in the last case of Trials and Tribulations.

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* Why is Yomiel portrayed as sympathetic? Sure he is given a tragic backstory and has had a pretty shitty life. Sure he expresses regret for taking Lynne hostage and yes he loves his cat, but lest we forget some of the sympathetic things he did: he murders a 5 year old girl's mother in front of her and makes her think she did it, he possesses a 10 year old girl and ''tries to make her kill her own father'', he actually succeeds in cold-bloodedly killing her in her own apartment as we see in the alternate timeline. And this is just what he does to Kamila! What's more, he shows no remorse until he's been stabbed in the back. But because he's not had a nice life, the entire last hour of the game is dedicated to making him a sympathetic character, and even the last image of the game is a TearJerker image of him drawing a picture of his precious cat. The actions I mentioned are MoralEventHorizon by most people's standards, no matter how crap your life has been. I'm getting Deja Vu to a similar glossing-over-of-a-villain's-faults in the last case of Trials and Tribulations.



Personally, while I don't think that any of that ''excuses'' him -- Yomiel himself said it best, that nothing he could do would be enough to excuse him -- I think that what he did after going back to the past, along with willingly spending ten years in jail to pay for the crimes that he still did commit in the changed timeline, ''and'' the fact that they [[EarnYourHappyEnding earned a happy ending]] and no one but the four of them would ever remember all of that suffering, it's conceivably enough to ''forgive'' him. Not forgive his actions, but to forgive Yomiel himself. Or at least put the past where it belongs and move on.\\

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Personally, while I don't think that any of that ''excuses'' him -- Yomiel himself said it best, that nothing he could do would be enough to excuse him -- I think that what What he did after going back to the past, along with willingly spending ten years in jail to pay for the crimes that he still did commit in the changed timeline, ''and'' the fact that they [[EarnYourHappyEnding earned a happy ending]] and no one but the four of them would ever remember all of that suffering, it's conceivably enough to ''forgive'' him. Not forgive his actions, but to forgive Yomiel himself. Or at least put the past where it belongs and move on.\\



* Why, exactly, do the switches work (in the way the game shows them to) after being switched around in their sockets (twice)? I realize that Missile's power is to completely replace things that look the same from the same angle (the source of another Headscratchers entirely, but I digress...) but that doesn't explain why moving the same switch between two different sockets affect the same torpedo bay. If, for example, the two switches control readying, then loading and firing respectively, then why weren't both torpedos launched with the rat puzzle?
** I don't think they do. Didn't one control readying, and the other moving into the tube and firing? Missile was moving the switch itself, not its connections. Imagine you could replace the switch by your front door with the one in the hall closet. If it is a plot hole, Imma chalk it up to RuleOfFun.

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* Why, exactly, do the switches work (in the way the game shows them to) after being switched around in their sockets (twice)? I realize that Missile's power is to completely replace things that look the same from the same angle (the source of another Headscratchers entirely, but I digress...) but that doesn't explain why moving the same switch between two different sockets affect the same torpedo bay. If, for example, the two switches control readying, then loading and firing respectively, then why weren't both torpedos launched with the rat puzzle?
** I don't think they do. Didn't one control readying, and the other moving into the tube and firing? Missile was moving the switch itself, not its connections. Imagine you could replace the switch by your front door with the one in the hall closet. If it is a plot hole, Imma chalk it up to RuleOfFun.



*** I may be missing something, but what was the reason for making his corpse fall down? He wanted to frame Lynne for his death, and it would work better for him to have his corpse in a visible place, where it can be discovered easily and start a investigation immediately. Granted, it ''still'' was discovered, but he couldn't know that...

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*** I may be missing something, but what What was the reason for making his corpse fall down? He wanted to frame Lynne for his death, and it would work better for him to have his corpse in a visible place, where it can be discovered easily and start a investigation immediately. Granted, it ''still'' was discovered, but he couldn't know that...



** In-universe, it doesn't make sense, but the recurring theme is obviously theater, so everything in the world revolves around what the audience is able to see, without using closeups. Ever. There are many parts where Sissel could accomplish more if he could adjust his view. For example, when saving Lynne in The Chicken Kitchen, Sissel can't see inside a case because it is locked. Yet he sees through walls all the time. If I had a closeup perspective and had the same perspective inside the case, then he could have found Kamila much sooner.
** My guess is the ghost power identifies shapes something like this: First, identify the positions of the cores of the two objects being linked. Determine the orientation of an imaginary plane formed by connecting those two points and drawing two rays off of them pointing in the direction of gravity. Compare the cross-sections of the two objects parallel to that plane, swap their positions if they're similar figures. Hmm... except the two shapes will never be similar at an atomic level... OK got it! It doesn't look at the individual atoms, but the auras these objects have. Auras are fuzzy, so the atomic differences get glossed over. The rest is explained by Ghost Tricks being really weird phenomena that aren't understood well enough to be explained completely. I think this works.
** I would assume that what the player sees is exactly what the ghosts see as well. That would explain why Yomiel looks toward the fourth wall if he notices you messing around in Chapter 15, why in Chapter 15, you only find Missile by moving the camera over to where he is, and how the ghosts of people you're saving are able to see what's going on even when they shouldn't be able to based on where their corpse is. So, regardless of what the ghosts are physically possessing, they always have that fourth wall view. That's probably just a feature of the land of the dead.

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** In-universe, it doesn't make sense, but the recurring theme is obviously theater, so everything in the world revolves around what the audience is able to see, without using closeups. Ever. There are many parts where Sissel could accomplish more if he could adjust his view. For example, when saving Lynne in The Chicken Kitchen, Sissel can't see inside a case because it is locked. Yet he sees through walls all the time. If I he had a closeup perspective and had the same perspective inside the case, then he could have found Kamila much sooner.
** My guess is the The ghost power identifies shapes something like this: First, identify the positions of the cores of the two objects being linked. Determine the orientation of an imaginary plane formed by connecting those two points and drawing two rays off of them pointing in the direction of gravity. Compare the cross-sections of the two objects parallel to that plane, swap their positions if they're similar figures. Hmm... except the two shapes will never be similar at an atomic level... OK got it! It doesn't look at the individual atoms, but the auras these objects have. Auras are fuzzy, so the atomic differences get glossed over. The rest is explained by Ghost Tricks being really weird phenomena that aren't understood well enough to be explained completely. I think this works.\n
** I would assume that what What the player sees is exactly what the ghosts see as well. That would explain why Yomiel looks toward the fourth wall if he notices you messing around in Chapter 15, why in Chapter 15, you only find Missile by moving the camera over to where he is, and how the ghosts of people you're saving are able to see what's going on even when they shouldn't be able to based on where their corpse is. So, regardless of what the ghosts are physically possessing, they always have that fourth wall view. That's probably just a feature of the land of the dead.



*** No, it doesn't. Yes, I know that this is something that's actually said in-game, but Ray was specifically telling Sissel that as a way to get him to shut up. Plus it was in response to him wondering why he can specifically go back in time four minutes, and Ray's response is meant to be a shoulder shrug and a "that's just how it is" response (this is actually an example of something being LostInTranslation as "four" in Japanese is pronounced almost the same as "death". The logic is that you go back four minutes, because that's how far "death" allows you to go back). That doesn't mean things can just flat out not make sense or be inconsistent, and be chalked up to "it's dead people powers deal with it".

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*** No, it doesn't. Yes, I know that this is something that's actually said in-game, but Ray was specifically telling Sissel that as a way to get him to shut up. Plus it was in response to him wondering why he can specifically go back in time four minutes, and Ray's response is meant to be a shoulder shrug and a "that's just how it is" response (this is actually an example of something being LostInTranslation as "four" in Japanese is pronounced almost the same as "death". The logic is that you go back four minutes, because that's how far "death" allows you to go back). That doesn't mean things can just flat out not make sense or be inconsistent, and be chalked up to "it's dead people powers deal with it".



* How does Lynne go from being a young girl involved in a hostage situation that Jowd witnessed to living in an apartment with-and apparently being the caretaker of-his daughter? Obviously Kamila needs someone to look after her while her dad's in jail, but I never understood why Lynne was that person. It's about the only thing I never got about this game and I keep wondering if it was explained somewhere and I managed to miss it.
** I wondered that, too. Did they not have any relatives who could take her in? My fanwank is that maybe Kamila was just staying with Lynne over the weekend, or decided to move in with Lynne rather recently; they bonded over the Jowd case and came to be like sisters, and Kamila ended up spending a lot of time at her place, until Lynne ultimately invited her to stay for good. It seems to fit with Lynne's character and I can see how they'd become so close, considering what links them.

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* How does Lynne go from being a young girl involved in a hostage situation that Jowd witnessed to living in an apartment with-and apparently being the caretaker of-his daughter? Obviously Kamila needs someone to look after her while her dad's in jail, but I never understood why was Lynne was that person. It's about the only thing I never got about this game and I keep wondering if it was explained somewhere and I managed to miss it.
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** I wondered that, too. Did they not have any relatives who could take her in? My fanwank is that maybe Kamila was just staying with Lynne over the weekend, or decided to move in with Lynne rather recently; they bonded over the Jowd case and came to be like sisters, and Kamila ended up spending a lot of time at her place, until Lynne ultimately invited her to stay for good. It seems to fit with Lynne's character and I can see it's understandable how they'd become so close, considering what links them.



** It's very likely that security on the meteor was weak that night, because of the meeting at the Chicken Kitchen nearby. Maybe Memry and Detective Rindge were assigned to the park, but duty called them to the Chicken Kitchen? I mean, why else would Yomiel pick ''that place'' to meet, if not to create a distraction for Comm. Sith to get his hands on the meteor fragment? The plan ultimately failed because Beauty inadvertently caused a commotion originally, and because Yomiel never showed up in the timeline when you save Lynne from dying yet again.

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** It's very likely that security on the meteor was weak that night, because of the meeting at the Chicken Kitchen nearby. Maybe Memry and Detective Rindge were assigned to the park, but duty called them to the Chicken Kitchen? I mean, why Why else would Yomiel pick ''that place'' to meet, if not to create a distraction for Comm. Sith to get his hands on the meteor fragment? The plan ultimately failed because Beauty inadvertently caused a commotion originally, and because Yomiel never showed up in the timeline when you save Lynne from dying yet again.



** Who says that's not the case? The way I see it, kitten!Sissel didn't die when hit by the fragment, he just got the regenerative powers that prevent him from ageing or getting injured.
*** Of course he died. We can clearly see Sissel's soul just before the credits roll. You can't show a soul if you're not dead, even if you're in the alive-dead state that Yomiel was in, which I consider to be more dead than alive.

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** Who says that's not the case? The way I see it, kitten!Sissel Kitten!Sissel didn't die when hit by the fragment, he just got the regenerative powers that prevent him from ageing or getting injured.
*** Of course he died. We can clearly see Sissel's soul just before the credits roll. You can't show a soul if you're not dead, even if you're in the alive-dead state that Yomiel was in, which I consider to be is more dead than alive.



* What about Sissel getting hit by the meteorite shard in the final timeline? You only change the trajectory of one shard, and it ended up in Jowd's leg. Your actions don't seem to affect Sissel's position at the impact moment (I think), so it doesn't seem like he was hit by one of the other (unseen) shards that didn't hit him in the two first timelines. Was it ever ''stated'' that Sissel was hit a shard, anyway? If I remember well, it was only said by Kamila that he never aged, and it might be due to being the one who pulled the ghost trick that pushed the ResetButton (and, in a sense, still being halfway in the land of the dead, somehow).

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* What about Sissel getting hit by the meteorite shard in the final timeline? You only change the trajectory of one shard, and it ended up in Jowd's leg. Your actions don't seem to affect Sissel's position at the impact moment (I think), moment, so it doesn't seem like he was hit by one of the other (unseen) shards that didn't hit him in the two first timelines. Was it ever ''stated'' that Sissel was hit a shard, anyway? If I remember well, it It was only said by Kamila that he never aged, and it might be due to being the one who pulled the ghost trick that pushed the ResetButton (and, in a sense, still being halfway in the land of the dead, somehow).



** I think they're all RidiculouslyHumanRobots, myself. Like, all the foreigners. Hence why they have blue skin, even though the game is canonically set in the mostly-realistic ''Franchise/AceAttorney'' universe.
*** Except the game is not canon to the ''Ace Attorney''universe. Where people picked this up as an apparent canon thing from I have no goddamn clue, there isn't a scrap of proof for it at all outside idle speculation.

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** I think Maybe they're all RidiculouslyHumanRobots, myself.RidiculouslyHumanRobots. Like, all the foreigners. Hence why they have blue skin, even though the game is canonically set in the mostly-realistic ''Franchise/AceAttorney'' universe.
*** Except the game is not canon to the ''Ace Attorney''universe. Where people picked this up as an apparent canon thing from I have no goddamn clue, there There isn't a scrap of proof for it at all outside idle speculation.



* Minor point: Near the start of the game, Ray mentions that Sissel's power to rewind time will only work on corpses that have not been dead for longer than 24 hours. Why did he point that out? Sissel never encounters any bodies during the game that have been dead for more than a few hours. Yes, I know that Yomiel has been technically dead for 10 years, but as the Temsik fragment within him kept him trapped in the instant where the fragment pierced his heart, he is not "truly" dead.

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* Minor point: Near the start of the game, Ray mentions that Sissel's power to rewind time will only work on corpses that have not been dead for longer than 24 hours. Why did he point that out? Sissel never encounters any bodies during the game that have been dead for more than a few hours. Yes, I know that Yomiel has been technically dead for 10 years, but as the Temsik fragment within him kept him trapped in the instant where the fragment pierced his heart, he is not "truly" dead.



** Jowd could have given it to Sissel, a Jailhouse Rock pun (possibly InUniverse), and as fur Sausage Head, I have no clue.

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** Jowd could have given it to Sissel, a Jailhouse Rock pun (possibly InUniverse), and as fur Sausage Head, I have no clue.InUniverse).



* As clever and great a plot twist as it was, when you think about it, Sissel being a cat doesn't make too much sense. For starters, how does Sissel know what a railway crossing gate is? Or what telephones are used for? Hell, Sissel's first few lines when he wakes up after dying is about seeing a man "with a gun", and that a "poor woman is about get shot". How does he know what a gun is, that it being pointed at the woman is a bad thing? How does he know what a restaurant is? How does he know what a waitress is, what a chef does, what a detective does, how does he know about concepts like hippies, why does he understand religious & mythical concepts like gods? How does he know what an "troubled family" is like by human standards? Why does he know that the novelist-mother was writing stories? Why does he have a concept of gluttony when cats eat based on instinct? Why does he know what a rock concert is, what "national secrets" are, and why leaking them is a bad thing. Why does he know what a siege is, what curry & rice is, and why it's stupid to hold siege to a police station to get some? Why does he know what a Rube Goldberg machine is? Why does he know what a newspaper is? Why does he know what rocks are--I think you get my point by now.

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* As clever and great a plot twist as it was, when you think about it, Sissel being a cat doesn't make too much sense. For starters, how does Sissel know what a railway crossing gate is? Or what telephones are used for? Hell, Sissel's first few lines when he wakes up after dying is about seeing a man "with a gun", and that a "poor woman is about get shot". How does he know what a gun is, that it being pointed at the woman is a bad thing? How does he know what a restaurant is? How does he know what a waitress is, what a chef does, what a detective does, how does he know about concepts like hippies, why does he understand religious & mythical concepts like gods? How does he know what an "troubled family" is like by human standards? Why does he know that the novelist-mother was writing stories? Why does he have a concept of gluttony when cats eat based on instinct? Why does he know what a rock concert is, what "national secrets" are, and why leaking them is a bad thing. Why does he know what a siege is, what curry & rice is, and why it's stupid to hold siege to a police station to get some? Why does he know what a Rube Goldberg machine is? Why does he know what a newspaper is? Why does he know what rocks are--I think you get my point by now.are?



** I'll go one step further and say that I find the plot twist really overrated, due to this exact reason. The main thing that bothers me is how half-assed the attempt to make Sissel's personality align with a feline's actually is. Because everyone points to certain lines of foreshadowing, such as the part where Sissel sees the rocker prisoner playing his guitar, and he wonders if it's a way for him to express things like "I'm hungry". The thing is, as much as that is the way a cat would think so it's a nice bit of dialogue to notice in restrospect, dialogue like that basically just exists to be the, "hey, here's a line that's blatant foreshadowing on your second run-through", thing. It just doesn't feel like his personality, or his knowledge or understanding of the world, is made to naturally resemble a cat's. He's basically a human with some vague feline-esque traits or preferences occasionally tagged on to fill the arbitrary foreshadow quota.

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** I'll go one step further and say that I find the plot twist really overrated, due to this exact reason. The main thing that bothers me is how half-assed the attempt to make Sissel's personality align with a feline's actually is. Because everyone Everyone points to certain lines of foreshadowing, such as the part where Sissel sees the rocker prisoner playing his guitar, and he wonders if it's a way for him to express things like "I'm hungry". The thing is, as much as that is the way a cat would think so it's a nice bit of dialogue to notice in restrospect, dialogue like that basically just exists to be the, "hey, here's a line that's blatant foreshadowing on your second run-through", thing. It just doesn't feel like his personality, or his knowledge or understanding of the world, is made to naturally resemble a cat's. He's basically a human with some vague feline-esque traits or preferences occasionally tagged on to fill the arbitrary foreshadow quota.



*** A cat wouldn't really know what they are, outside of their core basis principle. I just feel as though, if we're being totally realistic with it, Sissel should have had thoughts that were much more in line with a cat's actual thought process, or what counts for thought process for animals. With a TV, for example, a cat would see it as some weird object that humans occasionally stare at in a trance while it chirps purely necessary speech at them. They would not be able to process the notion that a person is sitting down and watching something for the hell of it. If they really wanted to make Sissel's personality seem like a cat's, they could've had Sissel make some jokey observation like, "surely there's a better way of communicating information to each other then yelling it through a box" when he sees a TV, and then have another character correct him. You could easily pass it off moments like those as a running joke of him forgetting the real function of everyday objects due to his amnesia. It'd have made the end reveal that much more impactful, in my opinion, if they had kept this up the entire way, rather then not bothering with it outside of select moments.
** This troper thinks that Sissel is a bit of a special case due to having had spent a good decade having had Yomiel with him, and as Yomiel took a ride in Sissel's body, he could have explained certain things as a general concept but not others such as thinking that certain things are obvious from Yomiel's perspective like the guitar but explaining inertia to Sissel in the past as it's something that's not common sense.\\
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* Related to the above, why does Sissel seem to generally process the world akin to a human? I understand why Sissel assumed he was human, and from that, I can get that he might act a bit more human-esque then normal, considering he'd be subconsciously acting like the humans he's witnessed as a cat, but his personality is exactly like a human's. Just to use an example, he thinks about romance in the typical monogamous way that most people do. As a cat, he shouldn't even understand monogamous relationships, let alone consider it the norm. He knows about concepts like a "wife" and "husband" and marriage in general, but a cat wouldn't understand the idea of two humans being together like that. This isn't something he could've just subconsciously begun treating like normal either, he just flat out wouldn't know the concepts exist. When a cat sees a human couple, it isn't thinking "oh, so humans must have monogamous relationships", that isn't how the thought process of an animal works. He also feels the moral weight of concepts like shooting someone, which is something a cat also cannot process. They may be able to feel emotions over things like death (although this is heavily up for the debate), but Sissel should not understand the idea that murdering someone is a "bad thing, no matter the reason". Being put off by murder I get, but the ability to process the actual moral conscious side of it is a strictly human ability. There's a ton of other examples like this too. His personality is just far too close to that of a human, then an animal.

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*** A cat wouldn't really know what they are, outside of their core basis principle. I just feel as though, if If we're being totally realistic with it, Sissel should have had thoughts that were much more in line with a cat's actual thought process, or what counts for thought process for animals. With a TV, for example, a cat would see it as some weird object that humans occasionally stare at in a trance while it chirps purely necessary speech at them. They would not be able to process the notion that a person is sitting down and watching something for the hell of it. If they really wanted to make Sissel's personality seem like a cat's, they could've had Sissel make some jokey observation like, "surely there's a better way of communicating information to each other then yelling it through a box" when he sees a TV, and then have another character correct him. You could easily pass it off moments like those as a running joke of him forgetting the real function of everyday objects due to his amnesia. It'd have made the end reveal that much more impactful, in my opinion, if they had kept this up the entire way, rather then not bothering with it outside of select moments.
** This troper thinks that Sissel is a bit of a special case due to having had spent a good decade having had Yomiel with him, and as Yomiel took a ride in Sissel's body, he could have explained certain things as a general concept but not others such as thinking that certain things are obvious from Yomiel's perspective like the guitar but explaining inertia to Sissel in the past as it's something that's not common sense.\\
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* Related to the above, why Why does Sissel seem to generally process the world akin to a human? I understand It's understandable why Sissel assumed he was human, and from that, I can get that he might act a bit more human-esque then normal, considering he'd be subconsciously acting like the humans he's witnessed as a cat, but his personality is exactly like a human's. Just to use an example, he thinks about romance in the typical monogamous way that most people do. As a cat, he shouldn't even understand monogamous relationships, let alone consider it the norm. He knows about concepts like a "wife" and "husband" and marriage in general, but a cat wouldn't understand the idea of two humans being together like that. This isn't something he could've just subconsciously begun treating like normal either, he just flat out wouldn't know the concepts exist. When a cat sees a human couple, it isn't thinking "oh, so humans must have monogamous relationships", that isn't how the thought process of an animal works. He also feels the moral weight of concepts like shooting someone, which is something a cat also cannot process. They may be able to feel emotions over things like death (although this is heavily up for the debate), but Sissel should not understand the idea that murdering someone is a "bad thing, no matter the reason". Being put off by murder I get, is understandable, but the ability to process the actual moral conscious side of it is a strictly human ability. There's a ton of other examples like this too. His personality is just far too close to that of a human, then an animal.



** I thought that Temsik fragment kept someone suspended in a zombie like state, where they're neither fully dead nor fully alive?

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** I thought that Didn't the Temsik fragment kept someone suspended in a zombie like state, where they're neither fully dead nor fully alive?



* As the way I understand it, Missile prime's soul and Missile the dog's existence at the same time in the second alternate universe is because Missile the dog was not born when Missile prime time travelled. If so; when Missile, Sissile, Yomiel and Jowd time travelled a 2nd time, 10 years later, still, there should be 2 different Missiles one being a soul and the other being a dog. Am I wrong or not? If I'm not it means soul of Missile still wanders around like Ray and this is kind of a sad ending for him.

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* As the way I understand it, Missile prime's soul and Missile the dog's existence at the same time in the second alternate universe is because Missile the dog was not born when Missile prime time travelled. If so; when Missile, Sissile, Yomiel and Jowd time travelled a 2nd time, 10 years later, still, there should be 2 different Missiles one being a soul and the other being a dog. Am I wrong or not? If I'm not it means The soul of Missile still wanders around like Ray and this is kind of a sad ending for him.

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** Personal theory: it ''is'' a flat 2D world. More realistically, the gun could have been rotated a bit so that it aimed at the doorl

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** Personal theory: it ''is'' a flat 2D world. More realistically, the gun could have been rotated a bit so that it aimed at the doorldoor
** Fight, Flight or Freeze are the three main responses to perceived dangers. Most animals are almost blind by humans standards, and a moving blob of color is more easy to see than a stationary one, thus humans having Freeze as a response. That is even assuming the person feels threatened, rather than curious enough to just look to try to process the sight (you don't see a machine like that every day). Other then a veteran coming back from a war zone, who thinks in "if you don't know what it does, it's a BoobyTrap" terms and would thus immediately turn back, most people in real life would just stand there.


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*** For "never eats", Sissel can "eat" as long as he's careful enough to regurgitate his "meals" where no one can see them, and as long as he spends long enough outside, Kamila probably assumes he's doing his thing outside.


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** Jowd could have given it to Sissel, a Jailhouse Rock pun (possibly InUniverse), and as fur Sausage Head, I have no clue.


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** It wouldn't have worked though. Sissel wasn't interested in helping, and Missile only knew all he did about him from what he learned the first time around.
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** It could have been that he managed to hide exactly how he was involved in Yomiel's escape. Jowd apparently knew, bu no one else seemed to. Since Cabanela was new at the time, he might have gotten away with feigning ignorance or not saying exactly what happened.

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** It could have been that he managed to hide exactly how he was involved in Yomiel's escape. Jowd apparently knew, bu but no one else seemed to. Since Cabanela was new at the time, he might have gotten away with feigning ignorance or not saying exactly what happened.
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** The only reason Ray Missle wandered around as a 10 year old soul is because he was unable to prevent anything from changing with his current ghost tricks. All he ''could'' do was travel backwards in time, which he did at the final stretch. This however did not fix the situation that caused him to be dead to begin with, as he was still "within" Yomiel's final four minutes. It took going back again with Sissel, Missile and Yomiel to finally correct Missile Prime's death for good. However, Ray explains that he will cease to be part of the new timeline. So there's no extra Missile wandering around; he just catches up with his current point in time, ten years later.

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** The only reason Ray Missle wandered around as a 10 year old soul is because he was unable to prevent anything from changing with his current ghost tricks. All he ''could'' do was travel backwards in time, which he did at the final stretch. This however did not fix the situation that caused him to be dead to begin with, as he was still "within" Yomiel's final four minutes. It took going back again with Sissel, Missile and Yomiel to finally correct Missile Prime's death for good. However, Ray explains that he will cease to be part of the new timeline. So there's no extra Missile wandering around; he just catches up with his current point in time, ten years later.later.
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** Short answer: People in a state of blind panic don't do the same thing they'd do in a more relaxed state when they are capable of rational thoughts. And there have been many studies on the psychological impact of extended social isolation. While it doesn't make any of his actions okay by any stretch of the imagination, "Yomiel + Blind Panic + half a decade of extended social isolation" may very well have made different choices than "Yomiel + 10 years in jail but with frequent visits from his fiancée."
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*** Either she really has a Six Sense for some unexplained reason, or she paid attention during briefing and thus would be on the lookout for strange happenings, or she may just have taken a page from [[Webcomic/{{XKCD}} Randall Munroe]]: [[https://xkcd.com/525/ If she's wrong, no one (other than Dandy) knows. If she's right, she freaked the hell out of a Ghost.]]

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** This troper thinks that Sissel is a bit of a special case due to having had spent a good decade having had Yomiel with him, and as Yomiel took a ride in Sissel's body, he could have explained certain things as a general concept but not others such as thinking that certain things are ovbvious from Yomiel's perspective like the guitar but explaining inertia to Sissel in the past as it's something that's not common sense.
*** and additionaly, this troper tends to use his own pet cat as a sounding board for when he just wants to talk or when trying to understand concepts, so will explain at the cat.

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** This troper thinks that Sissel is a bit of a special case due to having had spent a good decade having had Yomiel with him, and as Yomiel took a ride in Sissel's body, he could have explained certain things as a general concept but not others such as thinking that certain things are ovbvious obvious from Yomiel's perspective like the guitar but explaining inertia to Sissel in the past as it's something that's not common sense.
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** The only reason Ray Missle wandered around as a 10 year old soul is because he was unable to prevent anything from changing with his current ghost tricks. All he ''could'' do was travel backwards in time, which he did at the final stretch. This however did not fix the situation that caused him to be dead to begin with, as he was still "within" Yomiel's final four minutes. It finally took going back again with Sissel, Missile and Yomiel to finally correct Missile Prime's death for good. However, Ray explains that he will cease to be part of the new timeline. So there's no extra Missile wandering around; he just catches up with his current point in time, ten years later.

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** The only reason Ray Missle wandered around as a 10 year old soul is because he was unable to prevent anything from changing with his current ghost tricks. All he ''could'' do was travel backwards in time, which he did at the final stretch. This however did not fix the situation that caused him to be dead to begin with, as he was still "within" Yomiel's final four minutes. It finally took going back again with Sissel, Missile and Yomiel to finally correct Missile Prime's death for good. However, Ray explains that he will cease to be part of the new timeline. So there's no extra Missile wandering around; he just catches up with his current point in time, ten years later.
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** This troper thinks that Sissel is a bit of a special case due to having had spent a good decade having had Yomiel with him, and as Yomiel took a ride in Sissel's body, he could have explained certain things as a general concept but not others such as thinking that certain things are ovbvious from Yomiel's perspective like the guitar but explaining inertia to Sissel in the past as it's something that's not common sense.

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