History Headscratchers / GIJoeRenegades

1st May '17 10:10:51 PM nombretomado
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*** I disagree. There are times when fans respond well to the creation of an original character. It leaves an impression on them, and said character develops a following. Bulkhead from TransformersAnimated for example. Or ''WesternAnimation/BeastWars''! They could've easily called Waspinator "Insecticon" or named him after one of the Insecticons from G1, but he got his own name and personality; his popularity saved him from getting KilledOffForReal in the Season 1 finale.
*** Hasbro needs to keep the trademarks of its characters alive, hence using them with characters that might differ from the original portrayal is a way to go. It's done all the time with {{Transformers}}, and a lot of the time they get way more than a minor ethnicity switch. (is Lady Jaye being latina instead of white and not much else different really ''that'' much of a heinous crime against humanity?)

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*** I disagree. There are times when fans respond well to the creation of an original character. It leaves an impression on them, and said character develops a following. Bulkhead from TransformersAnimated ''WesternAnimation/TransformersAnimated'' for example. Or ''WesternAnimation/BeastWars''! They could've easily called Waspinator "Insecticon" or named him after one of the Insecticons from G1, but he got his own name and personality; his popularity saved him from getting KilledOffForReal in the Season 1 finale.
*** Hasbro needs to keep the trademarks of its characters alive, hence using them with characters that might differ from the original portrayal is a way to go. It's done all the time with {{Transformers}}, ''Franchise/{{Transformers}}'', and a lot of the time they get way more than a minor ethnicity switch. (is Lady Jaye being latina instead of white and not much else different really ''that'' much of a heinous crime against humanity?)
26th Feb '17 4:23:09 PM nombretomado
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** The original reason for Snake Eyes's ethnicity was [[spoiler:LarryHama, who both wrote the original comics and apparently the file cards that came with the action figures, wanted to make a point. As a Japanese-American, he had encountered some cultural hostility from native Japanese, and so Snake Eyes, along with being based lightly on a real military sergeant he knew, was also used as a bit of an author insert, his way of saying that he had just as much claim over his culture.]]

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** The original reason for Snake Eyes's ethnicity was [[spoiler:LarryHama, [[spoiler:Creator/LarryHama, who both wrote the original comics and apparently the file cards that came with the action figures, wanted to make a point. As a Japanese-American, he had encountered some cultural hostility from native Japanese, and so Snake Eyes, along with being based lightly on a real military sergeant he knew, was also used as a bit of an author insert, his way of saying that he had just as much claim over his culture.]]



*** I might have missed something, but ''what'' demands? All the above troper stated was that[[spoiler: LarryHama dealt with cultural hostility for being Japanese-American]]. Furthermore, the entry was more about Snake-Eyes specifically [[spoiler:being MightyWhitey]]. There are plenty of ways to lay claim to your own culture without raising different UnfortunateImplications, especially when they consist of one of the most contemptible tropes among minorities since UncleTomfoolery.
*** LarryHama hates being called Japanese-American because he is something like a third generation American. He said that so many people feel the need to include the hyphen and somehow that implies he isn't a full American. And then he is treated like he should be wearing a [[WearingAFlagOnYourHead Japanese flag bandana]] at all times, which is the cultural hostility that was mentioned. My understanding is that the relationship between Storm Shadow and Snake Eyes is his AuthorAvatar, one representing his ethnic heritage and the other representing his nationality. Both are awesome badasses and in several continuities the two become BloodBrothers / BashBrothers after they straighten out their rivalry. MightyWhitey isn't always UnfortunateImplications, but might actually be the point. Their story usually goes that [[spoiler: a third party is the one who killed their Master, so ''both'' were in the wrong for blaming the other.]]

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*** I might have missed something, but ''what'' demands? All the above troper stated was that[[spoiler: LarryHama Creator/LarryHama dealt with cultural hostility for being Japanese-American]]. Furthermore, the entry was more about Snake-Eyes specifically [[spoiler:being MightyWhitey]]. There are plenty of ways to lay claim to your own culture without raising different UnfortunateImplications, especially when they consist of one of the most contemptible tropes among minorities since UncleTomfoolery.
*** LarryHama Creator/LarryHama hates being called Japanese-American because he is something like a third generation American. He said that so many people feel the need to include the hyphen and somehow that implies he isn't a full American. And then he is treated like he should be wearing a [[WearingAFlagOnYourHead Japanese flag bandana]] at all times, which is the cultural hostility that was mentioned. My understanding is that the relationship between Storm Shadow and Snake Eyes is his AuthorAvatar, one representing his ethnic heritage and the other representing his nationality. Both are awesome badasses and in several continuities the two become BloodBrothers / BashBrothers after they straighten out their rivalry. MightyWhitey isn't always UnfortunateImplications, but might actually be the point. Their story usually goes that [[spoiler: a third party is the one who killed their Master, so ''both'' were in the wrong for blaming the other.]]
30th Dec '16 10:08:58 PM nombretomado
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** Because Hasbro execs always treats Joe as the redheaded stepchild because they expect it to perform as well as Transformers do, which is an impossibility due to its subject matter (military rather than science fiction). As much love as the show-runners, toy designers and copy writers give to Joe, ultimately Hasbro's higher-ups treat it like crap. And no, the upcoming live-action sequel has nothing to do with Renegades. DwayneJohnson will play Roadblock and rumors say it will follow on the story threads left following Rise of Cobra, such as Zartan impersonating the President.

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** Because Hasbro execs always treats Joe as the redheaded stepchild because they expect it to perform as well as Transformers do, which is an impossibility due to its subject matter (military rather than science fiction). As much love as the show-runners, toy designers and copy writers give to Joe, ultimately Hasbro's higher-ups treat it like crap. And no, the upcoming live-action sequel has nothing to do with Renegades. DwayneJohnson Wrestling/DwayneJohnson will play Roadblock and rumors say it will follow on the story threads left following Rise of Cobra, such as Zartan impersonating the President.
5th Nov '16 10:03:40 PM nombretomado
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* What was the point of [[spoiler:bringing back Ripcord]]? [[spoiler:His death was pretty meaningful (when they mentioned it) and bringing him back feels rather cheap, much like in thw season one finale of ''IronManArmoredAdventures'' with Howard Stark]].

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* What was the point of [[spoiler:bringing back Ripcord]]? [[spoiler:His death was pretty meaningful (when they mentioned it) and bringing him back feels rather cheap, much like in thw season one finale of ''IronManArmoredAdventures'' ''WesternAnimation/IronManArmoredAdventures'' with Howard Stark]].
3rd Nov '16 8:29:33 PM nombretomado
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** Well, the whole ''HomeAlone'' style of dealing with the Deadnoks was a bit iffy to me. As for the Sheriff, if he hadn't shown some guts at the end, then he would've served no purpose. In the beginning, he's basically a victim of bullying, something to which just about anyone can relate. If he doesn't take a meaningful inner journey to go from victim to warrior/defender (in this case fulfilling his duties as an officer of the law and kick some Dreadnok keister), then he's of no use as a character. That will be more meaningful for the younger members of the audience.

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** Well, the whole ''HomeAlone'' ''Film/HomeAlone'' style of dealing with the Deadnoks was a bit iffy to me. As for the Sheriff, if he hadn't shown some guts at the end, then he would've served no purpose. In the beginning, he's basically a victim of bullying, something to which just about anyone can relate. If he doesn't take a meaningful inner journey to go from victim to warrior/defender (in this case fulfilling his duties as an officer of the law and kick some Dreadnok keister), then he's of no use as a character. That will be more meaningful for the younger members of the audience.
24th Apr '16 3:10:39 PM Nevermore2002
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* Since using ATM machine and credit cards would make it easier to track the Joes, they probably just use bills. So where did they get all that money from?

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* Since using ATM machine and credit cards would make it easier to track the Joes, they probably just use bills. So where did do they get all that money from?from to pay for their expenses?
24th Apr '16 3:09:37 PM Nevermore2002
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* Where did the Joes get all their money to survive for so long? Wouldn't the authorities had frozen all their bank accounts and canceled their credit cards since the early part of the series?

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* Where did the Joes get all their money to survive for so long? Wouldn't the authorities had frozen all their bank accounts Since using ATM machine and canceled their credit cards since would make it easier to track the early part of the series?Joes, they probably just use bills. So where did they get all that money from?
24th Apr '16 2:50:13 PM Nevermore2002
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** Because tracking down 'the prototype' (AKA Ripcord) was a motivation for COBRA to step up their pursuit of the Joes, as well as to shake up the dynamic of the team a little.

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** Because tracking down 'the prototype' (AKA Ripcord) was a motivation for COBRA to step up their pursuit of the Joes, as well as to shake up the dynamic of the team a little.little.
* Where did the Joes get all their money to survive for so long? Wouldn't the authorities had frozen all their bank accounts and canceled their credit cards since the early part of the series?
29th Jan '16 8:20:23 PM Adept
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*** Teaser trailer for [[GIJoeRetaliation Retaliation]] just came out. Looks like the premise is similar to Renegades. The Joes are on the run.

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*** Teaser trailer for [[GIJoeRetaliation [[Film/GIJoeRetaliation Retaliation]] just came out. Looks like the premise is similar to Renegades. The Joes are on the run.
7th Jan '16 9:56:50 PM nombretomado
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* So they made Lady Jaye a Latina. Now, I could care less about a character's race (especially if the change is of a [[TheSpectacularSpiderMan minor]] [[Series/{{Smallville}} character]]), and I know that "too many whities" can make a show stale and not seem inclusive. Yet when they take a main character from the original cartoon and change her race entirely, it just seems like a [[ExecutiveMeddling cheap attempt]] to make it look like they're globally sensitive (see ''Rise Of Cobra''). I understand how it can be a positive influence on a young viewer who sees a bit of him/herself in the character, when so many heroes are portrayed as white...I get that. Yet if they really wanted a fiery Latina on the show, wouldn't it have been more poignant to make an ORIGINAL character that was entertaining and interesting in her own right that happened to have that heritage, rather than just altering a pre-existing one? (I'll grant, there could be a rights issue I don't know about.) It isn't a single aspect that ruins the entire show for me. Heck, she may even grow on me over time with her accent and improper grammar. Right now, though, it just seems...unnecessary.

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* So they made Lady Jaye a Latina. Now, I could care less about a character's race (especially if the change is of a [[TheSpectacularSpiderMan [[WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan minor]] [[Series/{{Smallville}} character]]), and I know that "too many whities" can make a show stale and not seem inclusive. Yet when they take a main character from the original cartoon and change her race entirely, it just seems like a [[ExecutiveMeddling cheap attempt]] to make it look like they're globally sensitive (see ''Rise Of Cobra''). I understand how it can be a positive influence on a young viewer who sees a bit of him/herself in the character, when so many heroes are portrayed as white...I get that. Yet if they really wanted a fiery Latina on the show, wouldn't it have been more poignant to make an ORIGINAL character that was entertaining and interesting in her own right that happened to have that heritage, rather than just altering a pre-existing one? (I'll grant, there could be a rights issue I don't know about.) It isn't a single aspect that ruins the entire show for me. Heck, she may even grow on me over time with her accent and improper grammar. Right now, though, it just seems...unnecessary.
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