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*** In Recruit Training, you have your rifle with you nearly at all times. You march with it, PT with it, even sometimes sleep with it. They even show this in the film. Ammo; your right, is generally HIGHLY controlled, but he wouldn't be the first Recruit to get a few rounds off the range (it even happened when I was in).
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*** When I was in Boot Camp my Senior Drill Instructor was a Gunny (E-7). It's not common but it does happen.

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*** When I was in Boot Camp my Senior Drill Instructor was a Gunny (E-7). It's not common but it does happen. We also had one of our DIs (not the Heavy either) make Staff Sgt about halfway through so his next rotation was slated to be a Senior DI.
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**** When I was in Boot Camp my Senior Drill Instructor was a Gunny (E-7). It's not common but it does happen.
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*** It's possible the D.I's were simply dropping extra rounds out of their pockets, in case the trainees needed some help to make their targets, so that the DIs would meet their own graduation targets. Pyle happened to be good enough at shooting that the extra rounds were wasted, or he was able to trade jelly donuts (or his sister) to other privates enough to fill up a magazine.

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*** It's possible the D.I's were simply dropping extra rounds out of their pockets, in case the trainees needed some help to make their targets, so that the DIs [=DIs=] would meet their own graduation targets. Pyle happened to be good enough at shooting that the extra rounds were wasted, or he was able to trade jelly donuts (or his sister) to other privates enough to fill up a magazine.
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** Ammo is highly tracked in training; the military knows training is stressful and keeping rounds accessible to recruits dealing with that stress is asking for a lot of trouble. Weapons are tracked carefully, bullets even more so, down to the individual round. When training requires shooting, the recruit is given a set number of rounds. They are expected to shoot the amount they are given, and instructors are there to make sure. There isn't any squirreling away possible; if you're given 20 rounds, you shoot 20 rounds. Otherwise there's gonna be trouble from DIs and MPs because a round or several are missing.

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** Ammo is highly tracked in training; the military knows training is stressful and keeping rounds accessible to recruits dealing with that stress is asking for a lot of trouble. Weapons are tracked carefully, bullets even more so, down to the individual round. When training requires shooting, the recruit is given a set number of rounds. They are expected to shoot the amount they are given, and instructors are there to make sure. There isn't any squirreling away possible; if you're given 20 rounds, you shoot 20 rounds. Otherwise there's gonna be trouble from DIs [=DIs=] and MPs [=MPs=] because a round or several are missing.

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In peacetime, at any point in your first 12 months, you can request a "failure to adapt to military lifestyle", which counts as a General Discharge (neither honorable nor dishonorable), not an Honorable Discharge.

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* In peacetime, at any point in your first 12 months, you can request a "failure to adapt to military lifestyle", which counts as a General Discharge (neither honorable nor dishonorable), not an Honorable Discharge.
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*** Or sent to the Marine "fat camp" first.[[note]]It was technically a blooper to not have D'Onofrio lose a lot of weight by the end of basic-be it an oversight or simply due to how filming usually isn't done in script order.[[/note]]
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*** It worked the opposite way. Draftees had no choice about being there, so there wasn't as high a standard as the volunteers had to clear. He snapped because, well, it does happen. The military actively recognizes that it happens and takes steps to protect themselves and the Service Members [which is actually a good point made several times below, about Pyle managing to get ammunition and a magazine, and Joker's unwillingness to do anything about it.]

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*** It worked the opposite way. Draftees had no choice about being there, so there wasn't as high a standard as the volunteers had to clear. He snapped because, well, it does happen. The military actively recognizes that it happens and takes steps to protect themselves and the Service Members [which is actually a good point made several times below, about Pyle managing to get ammunition and a magazine, and Joker's unwillingness to do anything about it.]









*** It's not explained in the film, so who knows how he ended up there. It's also possible that he volunteered to avoid being drafted. Some people would do that, vounteering for a guaranteed MOS (such as supply or food service) to avoid the possibility of being drafted into the infantry.

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*** It's not explained in the film, so who knows how he ended up there. It's also possible that he volunteered to avoid being drafted. Some people would do that, vounteering volunteering for a guaranteed MOS (such as supply or food service) to avoid the possibility of being drafted into the infantry.



* So the government invests lots of time and money into training Joker to be a ruthless and efficient US Marines killer. And at the end of it - they send him to Vietnam as a journalist. What, as the kidz would say, is all _that_ about?

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* So the government invests lots of time and money into training Joker to be a ruthless and efficient US Marines killer. And at the end of it - they send him to Vietnam as a journalist. What, as the kidz would say, is all _that_ ''that'' about?
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** PT technically means physical training but not the typical amount they are used to doing. The way he means it "torturous exercise for a longer than normal time used as punishment." In other words, their usual exercise routine cranked UpToEleven.

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** PT technically means physical training but not the typical amount they are used to doing. The way he means it "torturous exercise for a longer than normal time used as punishment." In other words, their usual exercise routine cranked UpToEleven.up.
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***I have read somewhere that Hasford knew who Lee Ermey was and dismissed him as a "pogey" (desk jockey). How accurate that is, I don't know.
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****The book makes that clearer. Private Pratt (as he was called there) was forbidden by the senior DI (called Gerheim there) from eating doughnuts among other things as a weight loss thing. In the film, Hartman even bellows "Are you allowed to eat jelly donuts?" "Sir! No sir!" "And why not?" "Sir! Because I'm too heavy, sir!" "Because you are a disgusting fat body!" Of course how Pyle could have snuck chow to the barracks is a mystery. Same with the live ammo.
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** Guess that explained why he decided to immediately eat his rifle.

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** Guess that explained why he decided to immediately eat his rifle. Better to die than to be killed.
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** Guess that explained why he decided to immediately eat his rifle.
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*** Training was complete and they graduated earlier that morning. The rifles should have been turned in. They'd all be getting on a bus as soon as they woke up.


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** Every branch of the military has their own journalists, news programs, and publications.


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*** In a way, Hartman was reading from a script in-universe. It's rinse and repeat for drill instructors/drill sergeants for a two to three-year tour in that job. Lawrence's behavior wasn't new or unexpected. Hartman probably gets at least one "Pyle" per training cycle, deals with the same issues, and uses the same colorful speeches over and over again. Had he survived, he would have received another batch of recruits the next week to start all over again.
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*** It wasn't a case of waiting until breakfast; Pyle was banned from eating jelly donuts entirely (and presumably, other similarly fattening foods as well; it's a common practice in the US military to put overweight recruits on "special" rations to make them lose weight).
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*** That's the exact mindset that got the Sergeant shot, asshole.
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** You do realize that R. Lee Ermey himself very explicitly said that Hartman was a ''bad'' drill instructor whose methods not only would have warranted a court-martial in real life, but were often impractical and counterproductive, don't you? So, yes, he ''is'' to blame. One of the main points of the film is to show how dehumanizing the military can be, but what if that process was being overseen by someone who was incompetent?
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** The thing I don't get is why nobody ever gives Joker any shit for how he behaves. He just kind of stands there and watches as Pyle loads individual bullets into a clip and then loads the clip and cocks the rifle and starts going through drills... I understand that he was panicked or whatever, but really, just screaming and running away would have been a better response. Maybe Hartman would have still stormed in and started berating Pyle, but then again maybe not; Hartman does seem genuinely surprised when Joker tells him that Pyle's weapon is loaded. If Joker had just immediately gotten out of there and warned everyone, maybe the [=MP=]s (or whatever, sorry, military noob here) would have been able to take Pyle out before he hurt anyone...
*** Hartman asks something along the lines of why isn't Pvt. Joker stomping Pvt. Pyle's guts out for that. Joker handled it horribly. The job of the watch is to be alert this very kind of stuff at night, especially in boot camp, and while unarmed, the watch is the first line of defense in boot camp. So as soon as he seen Pyle in there he should've disarmed him and reported him to Hartman. His window was small but not that small. Or he could've just ran and got help. But to do nothing costed both Marines lives and possibly proves that its Joker who isn't fit to be a Marine. I personally witnessed a boot camp wig-out, To a far less dangerous degree but equally loud. And it was the guy on watch while we were asleep. Talk about [[NightmareFuel something potential scary]] [[FridgeHorror when you think of how bad it could've been with 50 sleeping recruits while an insane individual is supposedly watching you sleep]]. Lucky for us it was around 5 am and not closer to lights out. The watch commander(a recruit) was the first person to try calming him down and getting loud back did work better than being calm, and much much better than doing nothing.

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** The thing I don't get is why nobody ever gives Joker any shit for how he behaves. He just kind of stands there and watches as Pyle loads individual bullets into a clip magazine and then loads said magazine and racks the clip and cocks the rifle rifle’s charging handle and starts going through drills... I understand that he was panicked or whatever, but really, just screaming and running away would have been a better response. Maybe Hartman would have still stormed in and started berating Pyle, but then again maybe not; Hartman does seem genuinely surprised when Joker tells him that Pyle's weapon is loaded. If Joker had just immediately gotten out of there and warned everyone, maybe the [=MP=]s (or whatever, sorry, military noob here) would have been able to take Pyle out before he hurt anyone...
*** Hartman asks something along the lines of why isn't Pvt. Joker stomping Pvt. Pyle's guts out for that. Joker handled it horribly. The job of the watch is to be alert this very kind of stuff at night, especially in boot camp, and while unarmed, the watch is the first line of defense in boot camp. So as soon as he seen saw Pyle in there there, he should've disarmed him and reported him to Hartman. His window was small but not that small. Or he could've just ran and got help. But to do nothing costed both Marines lives and possibly proves that its it’s Joker who isn't fit to be a Marine. I personally witnessed a boot camp wig-out, To wig-out to a far less dangerous degree but equally loud. And it was the guy on watch while we were asleep. Talk about [[NightmareFuel something potential potentially scary]] [[FridgeHorror when you think of how bad it could've been with 50 sleeping recruits while an insane individual is supposedly watching you sleep]]. Lucky for us it was around 5 am and not closer to lights out. The watch commander(a recruit) was the first person to try calming him down and getting loud back did work better than being calm, and much much better than doing nothing.
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*** One line. "You have failed to properly motivate Private Pyle." Hartman didn't organize the blanket party, but he very blatantly made it clear that he expected the recruits to find a way to unfuck Private Pyle, or else.
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** Exactly. Part of being a drill instructor involves breaking down your recruits, but you're supposed to build them back up again. Hartman, either out of maliciousness or sheer incompetence, failed to do his job and build Lawrence back up once he'd broken him, and failed to notice even the most blatantly obvious signs that he was no longer mentally fit for the military.
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*** It means he'll beat your ass until your anal cavity puckers with enough force to suck up buttermilk.
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** Hartman wasn't just "doing his job". R. Lee Ermey, himself a former drill instructor, deliberately played him as a terrible drill instructor who used his position to be as abusive as he could get away with without technically breaking any rules. Even when Lawrence was threatening him with a loaded rifle, Hartman just kept yelling and insulting him, instead of trying to de-escalate the situation.
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** One of the lines he apparently improvised included the phrase "major malfunction". Was that term in use in 1969? My understanding is that it became common after it was used by the NASA Public Affairs Officer in his live commentary of the ''Challenger'' accident in 1986.

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