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15th Jul '16 10:05:08 PM Thecommander236
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** What I don't get is why Lawrence broke in the first place. If he signed up, then he knew that he would be going to Vietnam. He just graduated boot camp and did the parade march with the families watching. He was literally one night away from shipping out. Couldn't he just hold back from killing his DI for one night? Okay yeah, he snapped and he may not have planned on killing the guy until he was confronted by him, but it still seems odd to me. Did he just decide he didn't want to go to war like he had planned to? I mean, okay, you don't know what's going on in his head and that's probably intentional. Still, it doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
2nd Feb '16 3:16:40 PM CockroachCharlie
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*** It's a pavlovian response. They just spent their entire time at basic puckering up everytime they heard an authoritative voice. Therefore, even when wigging out, there is a good chance that it would cause a similar reaction out of pure instinct.
2nd Feb '16 3:13:05 PM CockroachCharlie
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**** Just pointing out that his MOS WAS infantry.
24th Nov '15 9:45:44 PM Cally
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** To "short-dick," means the same as "short-change." If he motivates Pyle to get fit, Pyle will lose weight, resulting in less food for the cannibals in the Congo to eat when they devour Pvt. Pyle.

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** To "short-dick," means the same as "short-change." If he motivates Pyle to get fit, Pyle will lose weight, resulting in less food for the cannibals in the Congo to eat when they devour Pvt. Pyle. He will get Pvt. Pyle fit even if it means cheating the natives out of a meal.
22nd Nov '15 9:16:54 AM ham-peas
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*** That's nice for you and for them, but it would help if you could point to a single shred of evidence for the thesis. If anything, Pyle's demonstrated lack of fitness for the Marine Corps would make his eventual turnaround a triumph on Hartman's part.
11th Nov '15 6:41:07 PM ChrisW
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**** It worked the opposite way. Draftees had no choice about being there, so there wasn't as high a standard as the volunteers had to clear. He snapped because, well, it does happen. The military actively recognizes that it happens and takes steps to protect themselves and the Service Members [which is actually a good point made several times below, about Pyle managing to get ammunition and a magazine, and Joker's unwillingness to do anything about it.]



***** It's '''''extremely''''' unlikely he was drafted. Period. And you don't just get to leave Basic if you're overwhelmed or fail. You signed a contract, and once you set foot on the plane or bus headed for Parris Island, you can't leave until you complete Basic. This applies in both peace and wartime. It works the same in the Army, regardless of whether you enlisted or were drafted.\\

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***** It's '''''extremely''''' unlikely he was drafted. Period. And you don't just get to leave Basic if you're overwhelmed or fail. You signed a contract, and once you set foot on the plane or bus headed for Parris Island, you can't leave until you complete Basic. This applies in both peace and wartime. It works the same in the Army, regardless of whether you enlisted or were drafted.\\drafted.

*****Although I've only had the experience of Basic Training, in the 'kinder, gentler Army" no less, the drill sergeants definitely made the point that if we hoped to get out of our chosen obligations by flunking, we would be stuck there a lot longer than if we'd simply carried on and passed the training. Saw that happen first-hand when the medical failures were still stuck at Basic and waving us bye-bye when we left for AIT.


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***It's possible the D.I's were simply dropping extra rounds out of their pockets, in case the trainees needed some help to make their targets, so that the DIs would meet their own graduation targets. Pyle happened to be good enough at shooting that the extra rounds were wasted, or he was able to trade jelly donuts (or his sister) to other privates enough to fill up a magazine.
6th Nov '15 8:43:36 PM Cally
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** To "short-dick," means the same as "short-change." If he motivates Pyle to get fit, Pyle will lose weight, resulting in less food for the cannibals in the Congo to eat when they devour Pvt. Pyle.
29th Oct '15 10:06:25 PM PeachLover94
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** No, throwing smoke grenades is still a good idea, even today. It's not a distraction. It's used for concealment. It's less effective when you have an enemy with numerous weapons trained on you and plenty of ammo, especially if he has machine guns, but it's still better than nothing and it's especially effective when you're facing an enemy with few weapons or very little ammo. The smoke conceals your movement. The enemy knows (or thinks) you're going to go through there and he might even fire into the smoke and hope to hit you, but the difference is, he doesn't know exactly where you are (like he does when there's no smoke), won't know if he hit you, and won't know if you've moved. You could pop somoke, then stay where you are and try to draw him out, shift positions to get a better view of his position, flank him or bypass his position, or advance. Smoke is a good thing. I'd rather inhale the stuff than have him have an unobstructed view of my movement.

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** No, throwing smoke grenades is still a good idea, even today. It's not a distraction. It's used for concealment. It's less effective when you have an enemy with numerous weapons trained on you and plenty of ammo, especially if he has machine guns, but it's still better than nothing and it's especially effective when you're facing an enemy with few weapons or very little ammo. The smoke conceals your movement. The enemy knows (or thinks) you're going to go through there and he might even fire into the smoke and hope to hit you, but the difference is, he doesn't know exactly where you are (like he does when there's no smoke), won't know if he hit you, and won't know if you've moved. You could pop somoke, smoke, then stay where you are and try to draw him out, shift positions to get a better view of his position, flank him or bypass his position, or advance. Smoke is a good thing. I'd rather inhale the stuff than have him have an unobstructed view of my movement.



*** I was reading on The Kubrick Corner and its section on the movie with essays like "Deconstructing Masculinity". And I believe some of them purported that Lawrence/Pyle was a reflection of Hartman's worst nightmare for training potential Marine grunts. Lawrence/Pyle was a slow, overweight, in-over-his-head, practically useless guy whose very image could take its toll on Hartman. Seeing him here could most likely bring Hartman's true inner rage out, and not his usual authoritarian facade. Some of the essays covering the movie on that website may agree with me in implying that Hartman was secretly losing his mind due to Lawrence/Pyle.

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*** I was reading on The Kubrick Corner and its section on the movie with essays like "Deconstructing Masculinity". And I believe some of them purported that Lawrence/Pyle was a reflection of Hartman's worst nightmare for training potential Marine grunts. Lawrence/Pyle was a slow, overweight, in-over-his-head, practically useless guy whose very image could take its toll on Hartman. Seeing him here could most likely bring Hartman's true inner rage out, and not his usual authoritarian facade. Some of the essays covering the movie on that website may agree with me in implying that Hartman was secretly [[SanitySlippage losing his mind mind]] (or as they referred to it in the Corps back then; going Section 8) due to Lawrence/Pyle.Lawrence/Pyle's screwing up before his eyes.
11th Jul '15 1:16:11 AM Fairyth
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*** Except that they all slept with their rifles. So it was not exactly missing.
11th Jul '15 1:11:09 AM Fairyth
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*** What makes you think DI Hartman had anything to do with the blanket party? Do you seriously think he put them up to it? Hell no. A blanket party happened when I was in Basic, and when my dad was too. It is just something that happens sometimes. Unfortunate, but most certainly not something that the DI's put together. They were all being punished for Leonard's mistakes, and they took it personally and attacked him. I seriously doubt DI Hartmen knew anything about it.

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*** What makes you think DI Hartman had anything to do with the blanket party? Do you seriously think he put them up to it? Hell no. A blanket party happened when I was in Basic, and when my dad was too. It is just something that happens sometimes. Unfortunate, but most certainly not something that the DI's put together. They were all being punished for Leonard's mistakes, and they took it personally and attacked him. I seriously doubt DI Hartmen knew anything about it. Also, while I was in Basic, us girls got collective punishment all the time for doing dumb shit. None of us had a blanket party over it (the guys did though. I think they used locks).


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**** Um, those were bars of soap. Not pillows. Really? Being beat with pillows?
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