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18th Mar '17 9:40:57 PM madorosh
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*** Or, Devil's Advocate suggests maybe the instructors *wanted* him to kill himself and they were the ones that supplied the ammo. Would possibly explain why Hartman goaded him, thinking he would be too weak to shoot him, but not too weak to shoot himself.
18th Mar '17 9:37:08 PM madorosh
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***Volunteering for the Marines doesn't mean they wanted to be there. AIUI a lot of draftees pre-emptively joined the Marines before being drafted for the Army, the rationale being that if they had to serve anyway, they might as well serve with a highly-motivated force that would increase the odds of their survival.
7th Jan '17 1:41:29 AM ManEFaces
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** Most likely reason is that Ermey was on script for all the lines that are taken directly from the book. People can exaggerate about improvisation.
15th Jul '16 10:05:08 PM Thecommander236
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** What I don't get is why Lawrence broke in the first place. If he signed up, then he knew that he would be going to Vietnam. He just graduated boot camp and did the parade march with the families watching. He was literally one night away from shipping out. Couldn't he just hold back from killing his DI for one night? Okay yeah, he snapped and he may not have planned on killing the guy until he was confronted by him, but it still seems odd to me. Did he just decide he didn't want to go to war like he had planned to? I mean, okay, you don't know what's going on in his head and that's probably intentional. Still, it doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
2nd Feb '16 3:16:40 PM CockroachCharlie
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*** It's a pavlovian response. They just spent their entire time at basic puckering up everytime they heard an authoritative voice. Therefore, even when wigging out, there is a good chance that it would cause a similar reaction out of pure instinct.
2nd Feb '16 3:13:05 PM CockroachCharlie
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**** Just pointing out that his MOS WAS infantry.
24th Nov '15 9:45:44 PM Cally
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** To "short-dick," means the same as "short-change." If he motivates Pyle to get fit, Pyle will lose weight, resulting in less food for the cannibals in the Congo to eat when they devour Pvt. Pyle.

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** To "short-dick," means the same as "short-change." If he motivates Pyle to get fit, Pyle will lose weight, resulting in less food for the cannibals in the Congo to eat when they devour Pvt. Pyle. He will get Pvt. Pyle fit even if it means cheating the natives out of a meal.
22nd Nov '15 9:16:54 AM ham-peas
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*** That's nice for you and for them, but it would help if you could point to a single shred of evidence for the thesis. If anything, Pyle's demonstrated lack of fitness for the Marine Corps would make his eventual turnaround a triumph on Hartman's part.
11th Nov '15 6:41:07 PM ChrisW
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**** It worked the opposite way. Draftees had no choice about being there, so there wasn't as high a standard as the volunteers had to clear. He snapped because, well, it does happen. The military actively recognizes that it happens and takes steps to protect themselves and the Service Members [which is actually a good point made several times below, about Pyle managing to get ammunition and a magazine, and Joker's unwillingness to do anything about it.]



***** It's '''''extremely''''' unlikely he was drafted. Period. And you don't just get to leave Basic if you're overwhelmed or fail. You signed a contract, and once you set foot on the plane or bus headed for Parris Island, you can't leave until you complete Basic. This applies in both peace and wartime. It works the same in the Army, regardless of whether you enlisted or were drafted.\\

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***** It's '''''extremely''''' unlikely he was drafted. Period. And you don't just get to leave Basic if you're overwhelmed or fail. You signed a contract, and once you set foot on the plane or bus headed for Parris Island, you can't leave until you complete Basic. This applies in both peace and wartime. It works the same in the Army, regardless of whether you enlisted or were drafted.\\drafted.

*****Although I've only had the experience of Basic Training, in the 'kinder, gentler Army" no less, the drill sergeants definitely made the point that if we hoped to get out of our chosen obligations by flunking, we would be stuck there a lot longer than if we'd simply carried on and passed the training. Saw that happen first-hand when the medical failures were still stuck at Basic and waving us bye-bye when we left for AIT.


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***It's possible the D.I's were simply dropping extra rounds out of their pockets, in case the trainees needed some help to make their targets, so that the DIs would meet their own graduation targets. Pyle happened to be good enough at shooting that the extra rounds were wasted, or he was able to trade jelly donuts (or his sister) to other privates enough to fill up a magazine.
6th Nov '15 8:43:36 PM Cally
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** To "short-dick," means the same as "short-change." If he motivates Pyle to get fit, Pyle will lose weight, resulting in less food for the cannibals in the Congo to eat when they devour Pvt. Pyle.
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