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** Are you serious? Manga Wrath is the coolest and more badass thing known to man. What if he doesn't ''act angry''? I don't think "Wrath" is supposed to represent "angry" in an "I'm pissed off" way. He embodies a way deeper (and scarier) hatred and bloodlust, what with directing a genocide of massive proportions and being an unstoppable killing machine in close quarters combat. His Wrath is more of an embodiment of the merciless ire of war. And all this while looking a lot like a distant relative of [[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid3 Big Boss]]. It just doesn't get much better.
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* If [[spoiler:Father]]'s grand plan is to [[spoiler:consume all the souls of Amestris in preparation for... um...[[WhatDoYouMeanItWasntMadeOnDrugs wrenching open the sky and eating God]],]] then why did he bother creating [[spoiler:the puppet army]]? It doesn't seem to factor into his strategy at all.
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** Presuming Tucker even knew of such parrots? Even if he had, how would he have gotten ahold of any to experiment with? We don't know what kind of Africa equivalent FMA has, but even if the continents were all exactly the same as ours, they would have to get them from the south, past Aerugo, which has been actively at war with Amestris for years. Humans are his best option for talking, let alone intelligent chimeras. (Chimeri?)
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* How did all of Xerxes get annihilated? I mean, unlike Artemis, [[spoiler:Xerxes wasn't ''purpose designed'' to be a transmutation circle, so it would presumably not be approximately a circle without at least a few villages outside of the circle. Assuming that to be the case, how would the circle get the ''entire'' population]]? While one could argue that [[spoiler:Father eliminated these villages for extra "fuel," he would have to reach multiple such locations before people fled]]. Additionally, the only remains of Xerxes which survive by the time the main story takes place are buildings such as the palace (which makes sense given that Xerxes is a FantasyCounterpartCulture to Ancient Persia, who primarily built in sun-baked brick, with only higher status buildings ever being built in stone), so the archaeology as it is shown doesn't actually explain anything of the actual shape of the country. All things considered, the idea that there isn't at least a small RacialRemnant seems implausible.
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** Building off this, take Ed and Winry's final conversation, re: giving someone half your life vs. giving it all. According to the laws of equivalent exchange the latter is impossible,or at least unfeasible, while in practical human terms it's the simplest thing in the world. The value of human life and everything that makes it what it is is unquantifiable.
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** Scar wants to kill all state alchemists for a combination of seeing their alchemy as blasphemous and blaming them for the massacre of his people. He's no more discerning than that, he even agrees to let Al go because Al's not a state alchemist. He's also pretty opprotunistic. He wasn't targeting Ed, he was just walking down the street when he heard some call the name of a state alchemist. And with one right in front of him, he obviously goes for the kill.
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** That, and I don't get the impression that his powers work really well as a shield anyway. I mean, he can make his body invulnerable, but can't turn himself wide enough to protect others. Also, given that he was already killed by the other homonculi, his goal at this point is to KillEmAll, so sacrificing himself would be the last thing he wanted to do.
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* Envy's seeming JokerImmunity. I was a bit bugged when he/she/it is able to trick May into taking him to be "healed" after he/she/it is destroyed to the point of being in the "evil fetus" looking true form. [[spoiler: Roy]] does this again, and the presentation seems to be IfYouKillHImYouWillBeJustLikeHim, [[spoiler:especially in having Scar talk about Roy's desire for revenge as consuming like his own]]. It just bugs me because there isn't any benefit for the heroes to keep Envy alive.
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** I don't think Tucker is necessarily stupid or incompetent (this feel more like a meme carried out from the 2003 version, where it was indeed the case). Like someone said before, he is just sociopathic. So, now to my point, just like human transmutation, any type of alchemy that tampers with humans is deemed unethical and illegal. Thus human chimeras are possible, but not something alchemists will perform in the eyes of the public. So, why did the [[spoiler: Nina (and wife)]] chimera looked so inferior to the human chimeras introduced later? Because, as someone said before, he needed people to thing they weren't made from anything but animals. It comes across a little like Fridge Brilliance, but Tucker making talking chimeras with that form is a clever way to not rouse any suspicion. As to why he used [[spoiler: his wife and daughter]], chapter 0, released as promotion for the live-action movie, confirmed he failed the exam several times. After some "misinterpreted" encouraging words from his [[spoiler: wife]], he realized he could use them to make the chimeras talk. In other words, the guy already had quite a few screw loose.
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** I don't think Tucker is necessarily stupid or incompetent (this feel more like a meme carried out from the 2003 version, where it was indeed the case). Like someone said before, he is just sociopathic. So, now to my point, just like human transmutation, any type of alchemy that tampers with humans is deemed unethical and illegal. Thus human chimeras are possible, but not something alchemists will perform in the eyes of the public. So, why did the [[spoiler: Nina (and wife)]] chimera looked so inferior to the human chimeras introduced later? Because, as someone said before, he needed people to thing they weren't made from anything but animals. It comes across a little like Fridge Brilliance, but Tucker making talking chimeras with that form is a clever way to not rouse any suspicion. As to why he used [[spoiler: his wife and daughter]], chapter 0, released as promotion for the live-action movie, confirmed he failed the exam several times. After some "misinterpreted" encouraging words from his [[spoiler: wife]], he realized he could use them to make the chimeras talk. In other words, the guy already had quite a few screw loose.
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*** Jokes at Tucker's incompetence aside, I believe this is the point: He is a potential sacrifice candidate (and well, technically, any state alchemist is labeled as one). The special chapter 0, released for the live-action movie premiere, confirmed Tucker has tried, and failed, the State Alchemist exam several times. Only the talking chimera secured him the title. It is possible the higher-ups and Homunculi saw the lines this guy was willing to cross, thus gave him the title so he could savor some glory, so later he would get more and more over the edge and eventually attempting a full human transmutation just to keep the title.
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** Prides "Death" is shaky, but we can be definitely sure that he didn't destroy his stone, since that would fully kill him. We can safely assume that the stone was inside his core (The baby that regrew into Selim) and since the core itself was never damaged we can assume that they are still in his stone. So he likely still has his HealingFactor, but shadows are another question, becase we don't know what's the source of that. Ultmmately we don't know what Eduard did to him, that entire scene is really weird.
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** Lust was [[http://www.onemanga.com/Full_Metal_Alchemist/34/39-40/ wearing a coat]] when she saw Havoc so the rest is probably her skin. I'm pretty sure that with the exceptions of Wrath, Pride and maybe Evny,it's either like this for the rest of the Homunculi or a personal fashion choice.
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** The watches do actually have the alchemist's name engraved on them: [[http://www.onemanga.com/Full_Metal_Alchemist/17/14/ observe]] ([[http://mangafox.me/manga/fullmetal_alchemist/v05/c017/15.html updated link]]). And while the military do have State Alchemists' photos [[http://www.onemanga.com/Full_Metal_Alchemist/5/06/ on file]] ([[http://mangafox.me/manga/fullmetal_alchemist/v02/c005/6.html updated link]]), this isn't a digitised world so even if there are copies made it's probably only one or two for an area HQ or something. The soldiers dispatched in ch. 81 come very quickly after Darius makes the withdrawal from the bank, so were probably nearby and decided to go for 'written description and known associate' over rooting around through a filing cabinet after a doubtless out of date photograph. Plus there's no way of knowing if the soldier at the door would have recognised Ed after a moment or so or not, since Ed went BerserkButton on him right away.
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** Correction: As discussed elsewhere on this page, under "Human Transmutation definition", creating a chimera, and other Bio-alchemy, do ''not'' count as human transmutation, so there was never a risk of Tucker seeing Truth. I personally doubt the military, even the higher-ups (I doubt they barely even knew who Tucker ''was'' beyond "that chimera-alchemist"), knew about what Tucker did, but the possibility of some minor benefit from Tucker's work is quite likely the reason the military kept him on, alongside his "talking chimera breakthrough". Tucker basically conned his way into prestige by claiming to have done something that is ''technically'' possible (any living thing could potentially speak like a human if it had the necessary brain development and a mouth able to form the right sounds), but had never before/has not been done, but in reality, he did it by doing something so immoral and unexpected that nobody in the military at the level he interacted with suspected it (and honestly, who would ''want'' or be ''able'' to think that an apparent family man, like Tucker appeared to be, would just on the spot use his loving wife as experiment material?) and after that I'm guessing he made excuses on why he couldn't just keep doing it, so they let him keep tinkering with animals, giving them a demonstration of bio-alchemy in case anyone was interested in that field, and waiting on him to reproduce his "breakthrough". The rest we see for ourselves...
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