History Headscratchers / FullMetalAlchemist

31st Aug '17 9:16:46 AM Sirocco
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** France is shaped enough like an hexagon [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin that people often call it just that]], has known many bloodbaths at its frontiers (including [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarOne one]] where the [[GeneralRipper top brass]] apparently [[WeHaveReserves pointlessly wasted the lives of their army]], had an alchelmistic traditions (with Nicolas Falmel and le Comte de Saint-Germain as examples) and was home to the [[UsefulNotes/TheKnightsTemplar Order of the Temple]], THE [[AncientConspiracy AncientConspiracy]]... [[FridgeHorror Okay I'm]] [[TheFourthWallWillNotProtectYou scared now.]]
15th Aug '17 10:19:16 AM Raxis
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** That's easy, Ed used some of Envy's Philosopher's Stone to pay the toll to get back out. By the time Ed and Al discuss their time in The Gate, they no longer have access to any.

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** That's easy, Ed used some of Envy's Philosopher's Stone to pay the toll to get back out. By the time Ed and Al discuss their his time in The Gate, they no longer have access to any.
15th Aug '17 10:18:34 AM Raxis
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** That's easy, Ed used some of Envy's Philosopher's Stone to pay the toll to get back out.

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** That's easy, Ed used some of Envy's Philosopher's Stone to pay the toll to get back out.
out. By the time Ed and Al discuss their time in The Gate, they no longer have access to any.
15th Aug '17 10:17:41 AM Raxis
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So a giant transmutation circle surrounding essentially an entire country lights up during the eclipse. Does no one see this? No soldiers on any of the 3 countries Amestris has strained relationships with notice their opponents collapsing and ceasing all movement/sound? Despite the very obvious roar and flash of light he creates during the anime, is Father in some sort of invisible spiritual world? I wouldn't think so, since the people being can clearly see the giant black hands rising out of the ground, but what was the reaction of the other countries?
* Probably their reaction was "Let's stay the ''hell'' away from whatever's happening over there!"

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\nSo *So a giant transmutation circle surrounding essentially an entire country lights up during the eclipse. Does no one see this? No soldiers on any of the 3 countries Amestris has strained relationships with notice their opponents collapsing and ceasing all movement/sound? Despite the very obvious roar and flash of light he creates during the anime, is Father in some sort of invisible spiritual world? I wouldn't think so, since the people being can clearly see the giant black hands rising out of the ground, but what was the reaction of the other countries?
* ** Probably their reaction was "Let's stay the ''hell'' away from whatever's happening over there!"




I assume this is most likely a misunderstanding of the scene but when in Gluttony's 'stomach', they escape by Ed Transumting himself to open the eye of truth that was present in Gluttony. After this, Ed tells Al that he saw his body, who said he couldn't leave without his own soul. So why doesn't Al transmute himself (so there is no perceived 'taking' by truth as it is only himself) and try and grab his body in the gate. Even if it doesn't work, it's worth a shot. It's that they don't even discuss it which bothers me.

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\nI *I assume this is most likely a misunderstanding of the scene but when in Gluttony's 'stomach', they escape by Ed Transumting himself to open the eye of truth that was present in Gluttony. After this, Ed tells Al that he saw his body, who said he couldn't leave without his own soul. So why doesn't Al transmute himself (so there is no perceived 'taking' by truth as it is only himself) and try and grab his body in the gate. Even if it doesn't work, it's worth a shot. It's that they don't even discuss it which bothers me.
** That's easy, Ed used some of Envy's Philosopher's Stone to pay the toll to get back out.
15th Aug '17 6:02:10 AM swordatsea
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[[folder: Why doesn't Al transumute himself to get his soul back?]]

I assume this is most likely a misunderstanding of the scene but when in Gluttony's 'stomach', they escape by Ed Transumting himself to open the eye of truth that was present in Gluttony. After this, Ed tells Al that he saw his body, who said he couldn't leave without his own soul. So why doesn't Al transmute himself (so there is no perceived 'taking' by truth as it is only himself) and try and grab his body in the gate. Even if it doesn't work, it's worth a shot. It's that they don't even discuss it which bothers me.

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29th Jul '17 2:10:03 PM fireblast
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*** Just a nitpick here: [[spoiler: there were two countermeasures. ''Scar's brother's'' countermeasure got rid of Father's alchemy blocking. ''Hohenheim's'' countermeasure put everyone's souls back.]]
13th Jul '17 5:39:00 PM fireblast
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*** First, Tucker never told anyone he was making human chimeras. Ed worked it out on his own. Tucker lied and said he made a ''talking'' chimera (out of non-human animals), except it talked because it was made from a human. Second, the chimeras he made (both from his wife and from Nina) were in constant pain. The first one is reported as saying only "I want to die", then refusing to eat until it died; Nina-Alexander, meanwhile, seems only partly lucid. The other human chimeras are better, but so is the pure-animal chimera Father Cornello had, which acted like a guard animal (and was). So Tucker is also ''really bad'' at what he does. Third, if Tucker wanted to advance knowledge of biological alchemy use on humans, he could have said so and asked for volunteers, who would be given informed consent forms to sign, acknowledging that they understand the risks. Instead, he used his wife and his daughter. If this were his goal, he also wouldn't have lied about it. It's made fairly clear that Tucker's motivation was to keep his State Alchemist certification - and its never-stated-but-implied-to-be-large research grant. Remember that the certification was built on a lie to begin with. Tucker even admits to Ed that he ultimately did it because he could.

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*** First, Tucker never told anyone he was making human chimeras. Ed worked it out on his own. Tucker lied and said he made a ''talking'' chimera (out of non-human animals), except it talked because it was made from a human. Second, the chimeras he made (both from his wife and from Nina) were in constant pain. The first one is reported as saying only "I want to die", then refusing to eat until it died; Nina-Alexander, meanwhile, seems only partly lucid. The other human chimeras are better, but so is the pure-animal chimera Father Cornello had, which acted like a guard animal (and was). So Tucker is also ''really bad'' at what he does. Third, if Tucker wanted to advance knowledge of biological alchemy use on humans, he could have said so and asked for volunteers, who would be given informed consent forms to sign, acknowledging that they understand the risks. Instead, he used his wife and his daughter. If this were his goal, he also wouldn't have lied about it. It's made fairly clear that Tucker's motivation was to keep his State Alchemist certification - and its never-stated-but-implied-to-be-large research grant. Remember that the certification was built on a lie to begin with. Tucker even admits to Ed that he ultimately did it because he could.
could. Tucker's actions were monstrous, and so were his motives.
13th Jul '17 5:22:11 PM fireblast
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**** First, Tucker never told anyone he was making human chimeras. Ed worked it out on his own. Tucker lied and said he made a ''talking'' chimera (out of non-human animals), except it talked because it was made from a human. Second, the chimeras he made (both from his wife and from Nina) were in constant pain. The first one is reported as saying only "I want to die", then refusing to eat until it died; Nina-Alexander, meanwhile, seems only partly lucid. The other human chimeras are better, but so is the pure-animal chimera Father Cornello had, which acted like a guard animal (and was). So Tucker is also ''really bad'' at what he does. Third, if Tucker wanted to advance knowledge of biological alchemy use on humans, he could have said so and asked for volunteers, who would be given informed consent forms to sign, acknowledging that they understand the risks. Instead, he used his wife and his daughter. If this were his goal, he also wouldn't have lied about it. It's made fairly clear that Tucker's motivation was to keep his State Alchemist certification - and its never-stated-but-implied-to-be-large research grant. Remember that the certification was built on a lie to begin with. Tucker even admits to Ed that he ultimately did it because he could.
8th Jul '17 6:17:20 PM fireblast
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\n** Alchemists don't need both hands to transmute unless they're doing clapping transmutation. As mentioned, there's Roy, but there's also Alex Armstrong and Basque Grand, who transmute by punching things, Giolio Comanche the Silver Alchemist who transmutes by touching things, Father and Hohenheim who can do no-motion transmutation, and [[spoiler:Scar during his fight with Wrath]], who transmutes by touching things. If his automail arm is broken, Ed can't do the clapping transmutation; but in theory, he may be able to repair his automail by drawing a circle like a normal alchemist, but a) he'd need to gather up all the pieces of the broken automail to put them back together, while Winry can just replace them, and b) automail is probably extremely complex, requiring specialist knowledge Ed just doesn't have. Remember Rush Valley, an entire town of automail engineers, where Winry (already trained in making automail) goes to learn even more? That doesn't sound like something general knowledge could handle.

8th Jul '17 3:26:17 PM fireblast
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** Remember that Ed took a full year to adapt to his automail. Al brought him to the Rockbells to have it attached, likely by being very careful and watching his own movements. Al likely learned to move his armor body more easily while Ed was adapting to his automail.
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