History Headscratchers / FourKidsEntertainment

12th Sep '16 10:07:48 AM tropedope
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* Why did 4kids give up on getting the ''Manga/{{Naruto}}''' license? I mean, I'm glad they didn't get Naruto and all; I'm just curious as to why they'd give up on something that lucrative so quickly. Also, it's incredibly weird to watch english dubbed Yami, then realise that he (Dan Green) is part of the dubbing team and voice cast for Narutaru, if that ever gets off the ground...

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* Why did 4kids 4Kids give up on getting the ''Manga/{{Naruto}}''' license? I mean, I'm glad they didn't get Naruto and all; I'm just curious as to why they'd give up on something that lucrative so quickly. Also, it's incredibly weird to watch english dubbed Yami, then realise that he (Dan Green) is part of the dubbing team and voice cast for Narutaru, if that ever gets off the ground...



** Well, part of it is that the producers of the in-house shows have more contact with the Standards and Practices people, and therefore not only have a clearer idea of what can and can't be shown before the product is completed, but can argue their case for particular elements. Anime is already completed, and therefore there's only so much you can do it. In any case, the difference isn't really that pronounced; latter episodes of ''One Piece'' (specifically, from the Drum Island arc onward) are easily on par with the TMNT episodes that were airing at the time, violence-wise, plus or minus some green-colored guns.

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** Well, part of it is that the producers of the in-house shows have more contact with the Standards and Practices people, and therefore not only have a clearer idea of what can and can't be shown before the product is completed, but can argue their case for particular elements. Anime is already completed, and therefore there's only so much you can do with it. In any case, the difference isn't really that pronounced; latter episodes of ''One Piece'' (specifically, from the Drum Island arc onward) are easily on par with the TMNT episodes that were airing at the time, violence-wise, plus or minus some green-colored guns.



*** So because Yugi's Japanese voice actor has something going on, 4kids can't sub it? What the heck is ''on'' that contract?! [rhetorical question, btw]
*** Shunsuke Kazama is bound to Johnny's Entertainment, who is known to have pretty strict media regulations. (i.e. One of the acts they manage, Tokio, sang the first opening theme song to ''Anime/KodomoNoOmocha'' and all references to the song and them had to be cut out from the Funimation dub; they also manage [=SMAP=], Japan's top BoyBand, who sang the first opening theme song to ''Anime/AkazukinChacha'', and the song had to be replaced with a cover on even the ''Japanese'' [=DVD=] releases.)

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*** So because Yugi's Japanese voice actor has something going on, 4kids 4Kids can't sub it? What the heck is ''on'' that contract?! [rhetorical question, btw]
*** Shunsuke Kazama is bound to Johnny's Entertainment, who is known to have pretty strict media regulations. (i.e. One of the acts they manage, Tokio, sang the first opening theme song to ''Anime/KodomoNoOmocha'' and all references to the song and them theme had to be cut out from the Funimation dub; they also manage [=SMAP=], Japan's top BoyBand, who sang the first opening theme song to ''Anime/AkazukinChacha'', and the song had to be replaced with a cover on even the ''Japanese'' [=DVD=] releases.)



*** Source? 4kids still has the license, they're just in danger of losing it now. The court case has not been settled yet and a 4kids employee has [[http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/ikyum/iama_4kids_entertainmentproductions_employee_ama/ confirmed]] that they still have the license.

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*** Source? 4kids 4Kids still has the license, they're just in danger of losing it now. The court case has not been settled yet and a 4kids 4Kids employee has [[http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/ikyum/iama_4kids_entertainmentproductions_employee_ama/ confirmed]] that they still have the license.



** I think the main page already makes it clear. Most Anime fans always had a "love it or hate it" view of 4kids because while they had some bad practices, they did help to popularize ''Anime/YuGiOh'' and ''Pokemon'' in the West. However when One Piece hit the scene "which managed to combine all of the company's worst practices into one show [...] All of this solidified fandom hatred of the company, and it remains the darkest mark on its reputation." Thus their decline began.

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** I think the main page already makes it clear. Most Anime fans always had a "love it or hate it" view of 4kids 4Kids because while they had some bad practices, they did help to popularize ''Anime/YuGiOh'' and ''Pokemon'' in the West. However when One Piece hit the scene "which managed to combine all of the company's worst practices into one show [...] All of this solidified fandom hatred of the company, and it remains the darkest mark on its reputation." Thus their decline began.
7th Jul '16 1:48:05 PM Willbyr
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* Why did 4kids give up on getting the Main/{{Naruto}} license? I mean, I'm glad they didn't get Naruto and all; I'm just curious as to why they'd give up on something that lucrative so quickly. Also, it's incredibly weird to watch english dubbed Yami, then realise that he (Dan Green) is part of the dubbing team and voice cast for Narutaru, if that ever gets off the ground...

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* Why did 4kids give up on getting the Main/{{Naruto}} ''Manga/{{Naruto}}''' license? I mean, I'm glad they didn't get Naruto and all; I'm just curious as to why they'd give up on something that lucrative so quickly. Also, it's incredibly weird to watch english dubbed Yami, then realise that he (Dan Green) is part of the dubbing team and voice cast for Narutaru, if that ever gets off the ground...



** ''{{Narutaru}}''? Ah hahahaha...4Kids wouldn't have anything to do with ''that'', no sir/ma'am.

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** ''{{Narutaru}}''? ''Manga/{{Narutaru}}''? Ah hahahaha...4Kids wouldn't have anything to do with ''that'', no sir/ma'am.



*** He also voiced Asuma in ''Anime/{{Patlabor}}'' for Central Park Media (which IMO is worse than 4Kids, with the exceptions of ''Now and Then'' and ''RecordOfLodossWar''...).
* Aside from [[Main/{{Macekre}} the most obvious reason]], how is it that (at least in Philly, anyway) 4Kids is now part of two different channels' line-ups? Apparently, Main/TheCW (the one with the DC Comics cartoons) is 4Kids now. They've officially taken over Saturday morning cartoons.

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*** He also voiced Asuma in ''Anime/{{Patlabor}}'' for Central Park Media (which IMO is worse than 4Kids, with the exceptions of ''Now and Then'' and ''RecordOfLodossWar''...''Roleplay/RecordOfLodossWar''...).
* Aside from [[Main/{{Macekre}} [[{{Macekre}} the most obvious reason]], how is it that (at least in Philly, anyway) 4Kids is now part of two different channels' line-ups? Apparently, Main/TheCW Creator/TheCW (the one with the DC Comics cartoons) is 4Kids now. They've officially taken over Saturday morning cartoons.
27th Mar '16 8:47:01 AM MacronNotes
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***** ...So who's going to release the [[ThreeDMovie 3D Movie]] on DVD and Blu-ray now? From what I've seen, the most likely candidates are Viz Media (they release the manga) and Manga Entertainment (they recently picked up the movie in the UK, so I don't see why they can't salvage it Stateside, since they operate in the US of A as well).

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***** ...So who's going to release the [[ThreeDMovie 3D Movie]] Movie on DVD and Blu-ray now? From what I've seen, the most likely candidates are Viz Media (they release the manga) and Manga Entertainment (they recently picked up the movie in the UK, so I don't see why they can't salvage it Stateside, since they operate in the US of A as well).



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7th Jan '16 9:55:20 PM nombretomado
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* Why is Yu-Gi-Oh 5D's the ''only'' thing in the lineup that's not in reruns? Come on, Season 7 of ''{{Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles}}'' just started, and ''{{The Spectacular Spider Man}}'' has been [=MIA=] for six months. Even if I just stick to anime/animation, I can get a better Saturday lineup off my [=DVD=] collection. Although in that case, the anime would not be Saturday fare, and most of the WesternAnimation is from the 90s-early 2000s. Good thing I have a decent-sized Netflix backlog.

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* Why is Yu-Gi-Oh 5D's the ''only'' thing in the lineup that's not in reruns? Come on, Season 7 of ''{{Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles}}'' just started, and ''{{The Spectacular Spider Man}}'' ''WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan'' has been [=MIA=] for six months. Even if I just stick to anime/animation, I can get a better Saturday lineup off my [=DVD=] collection. Although in that case, the anime would not be Saturday fare, and most of the WesternAnimation is from the 90s-early 2000s. Good thing I have a decent-sized Netflix backlog.
11th Dec '15 5:15:59 PM nombretomado
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* 4Kids likes/is a fan of [[WebVideo/YugiohTheAbridgedSeries YGOTAS,]] as it is so nicknamed. That's been out, what...1-2 years, maybe? When did 4Kids decide to start subbing, [[PurpleProse whilst]] keeping in the cursing and whatnot? A few months ago? (Hey, that's what [[ThatOtherWiki Wikipedia]] says.) So they'll be subbing [[Anime/YuGiOhGX GX]], [[Anime/YuGiOh5Ds 5Ds]], SonicX, etc. And yet they haven't mentioned subbing Anime/YuGiOh, the very show that garnered them all the fame/hatred/[[TakeaThirdOption hatred of fame?]] Er...

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* 4Kids likes/is a fan of [[WebVideo/YugiohTheAbridgedSeries YGOTAS,]] as it is so nicknamed. That's been out, what...1-2 years, maybe? When did 4Kids decide to start subbing, [[PurpleProse whilst]] keeping in the cursing and whatnot? A few months ago? (Hey, that's what [[ThatOtherWiki Wikipedia]] says.) So they'll be subbing [[Anime/YuGiOhGX GX]], [[Anime/YuGiOh5Ds 5Ds]], SonicX, etc. And yet they haven't mentioned subbing Anime/YuGiOh, ''Anime/YuGiOh'', the very show that garnered them all the fame/hatred/[[TakeaThirdOption hatred of fame?]] Er...



** I think the main page already makes it clear. Most Anime fans always had a "love it or hate it" view of 4kids because while they had some bad practices, they did help to popularize YuGiOh and Pokemon in the West. However when One Piece hit the scene "which managed to combine all of the company's worst practices into one show [...] All of this solidified fandom hatred of the company, and it remains the darkest mark on its reputation." Thus their decline began.

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** I think the main page already makes it clear. Most Anime fans always had a "love it or hate it" view of 4kids because while they had some bad practices, they did help to popularize YuGiOh ''Anime/YuGiOh'' and Pokemon ''Pokemon'' in the West. However when One Piece hit the scene "which managed to combine all of the company's worst practices into one show [...] All of this solidified fandom hatred of the company, and it remains the darkest mark on its reputation." Thus their decline began.
3rd Oct '15 11:46:23 AM nombretomado
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*** He also voiced Asuma in ''{{Patlabor}}'' for Central Park Media (which IMO is worse than 4Kids, with the exceptions of ''Now and Then'' and ''RecordOfLodossWar''...).

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*** He also voiced Asuma in ''{{Patlabor}}'' ''Anime/{{Patlabor}}'' for Central Park Media (which IMO is worse than 4Kids, with the exceptions of ''Now and Then'' and ''RecordOfLodossWar''...).
13th Sep '15 4:36:20 PM nombretomado
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*** He's also Nabuca in ''NowAndThenHereAndThere'', which 4Kids! obviously had nothing to do with either.

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*** He's also Nabuca in ''NowAndThenHereAndThere'', ''Anime/NowAndThenHereAndThere'', which 4Kids! obviously had nothing to do with either.
27th Aug '15 11:55:44 AM Redaka
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** I think the main page already makes it clear. Most Anime fans always had a "love it or hate it" view of 4kids because while they had some bad practices, they did help to popularize YuGiOh and Pokemon in the West. However when One Piece hit the scene "which managed to combine all of the company's worst practices into one show [...] All of this solidified fandom hatred of the company, and it remains the darkest mark on its reputation." Thus their decline began.
29th Mar '15 5:10:39 AM rjd1922
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** Text is erased for the same reason that most kids' shows will avoid having to show any text whatsoever, and when they do, have a characrter speak it out loud: Because the kids the shows are aimed at wouldn't be able to read it in time, at least for the most part. 4Kids got a lot of children who were just starting to learn how to read or have not gained enough experience to read it all in time. If they see text they want to read, and it gets taken away repeatedly, they're going to get frustrated. (The alternatives are to either have the aforementined saying-it-out-loud method, which is not always possible with a dub, or freeze the frame for 3 seconds for each word displayed, which would get annoying real fast.) There is also an artistic decision for this too sometimes: Text is distracting. For instance, Creator/HayaoMiyazaki says that his movies are meant to be seen, not read, and opposes subtitled versions of his works. Creator/LaurenFaust considers on-screen text as highly distracting and takes efforts to make sure onscreen text on anything she works on is illegible.

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** Text is erased for the same reason that most kids' shows will avoid having to show any text whatsoever, and when they do, have a characrter character speak it out loud: Because the kids the shows are aimed at wouldn't be able to read it in time, at least for the most part. 4Kids got a lot of children who were just starting to learn how to read or have not gained enough experience to read it all in time. If they see text they want to read, and it gets taken away repeatedly, they're going to get frustrated. (The alternatives are to either have the aforementined saying-it-out-loud method, which is not always possible with a dub, or freeze the frame for 3 seconds for each word displayed, which would get annoying real fast.) There is also an artistic decision for this too sometimes: Text is distracting. For instance, Creator/HayaoMiyazaki says that his movies are meant to be seen, not read, and opposes subtitled versions of his works. Creator/LaurenFaust considers on-screen text as highly distracting and takes efforts to make sure onscreen text on anything she works on is illegible.
1st May '14 11:53:11 AM Mau
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** If 4Kids licensed Naruto they'd have reduced episodes to 5 minutes cause 4K always hated violence (at least after their Pokémon age).


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** After they started censoring parts without a reason, I guess.
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