History Headscratchers / FourKidsEntertainment

13th Dec '17 5:44:56 PM Malady
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*** History has shown that you shouldn't always believe what you read on TV Tropes. [[https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2012-03-06/adk-tv-tokyo-to-pay-4kids-us%248-million 4Kids won that lawsuit.]] They retained the ''Yu-Gi-Oh!'' license until a bankruptcy sale saw it, and 4Kids' production arm, sold to {{Konami}}.

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*** History has shown that you shouldn't always believe what you read on TV Tropes. [[https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2012-03-06/adk-tv-tokyo-to-pay-4kids-us%248-million 4Kids won that lawsuit.]] They retained the ''Yu-Gi-Oh!'' license until a bankruptcy sale saw it, and 4Kids' production arm, sold to {{Konami}}.Creator/{{Konami}}.
16th Nov '17 6:55:34 PM LackadaisicalAngeline
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** You're assuming that 4Kids ever really had a chance at it. It's likely the Japanese production committee wanted the show to be the crown jewel in {{Viz Media}}'s catalog. Viz is jointly owned by the publisher of ''Naruto'' and Shueisha seems to be more active in that franchise than some of the others.


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*** History has shown that you shouldn't always believe what you read on TV Tropes. [[https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2012-03-06/adk-tv-tokyo-to-pay-4kids-us%248-million 4Kids won that lawsuit.]] They retained the ''Yu-Gi-Oh!'' license until a bankruptcy sale saw it, and 4Kids' production arm, sold to {{Konami}}.


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** In the mid/late-2000s when children's content on broadcast TV was becoming a scarce commodity. They invested in a dying space and bet on some things that didn't go the way they hoped (namely, ''Chaotic'').
7th Aug '17 3:23:37 PM VulgarBee
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** Because they realized what Disney is now realizing- the violence is too intimately connected to the plot to strip out and still have anything worth watching. A 4Kids dub of Naruto would have turned out worse than OnePiece, which averted being a total loss only by virtue of the fact that OnePiece is a comedy, and thus the Bowdlerization could be laughed at without COMPLETELY destroying the plot. It was terrible anyway, but if a comedy turned out that badly, how much worse would a drama have been?

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** Because they realized what Disney is now realizing- the violence is too intimately connected to the plot to strip out and still have anything worth watching. A 4Kids dub of Naruto would have turned out worse than OnePiece, ''Franchise/OnePiece'', which averted being a total loss only by virtue of the fact that OnePiece ''Franchise/OnePiece'' is a comedy, and thus the Bowdlerization could be laughed at without COMPLETELY destroying the plot. It was terrible anyway, but if a comedy turned out that badly, how much worse would a drama have been?
6th Aug '17 2:25:40 AM starjewel
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** MoneyDearBoy. ''Yu-Gi-Oh!'' was a huge franchise with a card game and manga to boot.
18th Jun '17 2:02:22 PM nombretomado
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* 4Kids likes/is a fan of [[WebVideo/YugiohTheAbridgedSeries YGOTAS,]] as it is so nicknamed. That's been out, what...1-2 years, maybe? When did 4Kids decide to start subbing, [[PurpleProse whilst]] keeping in the cursing and whatnot? A few months ago? (Hey, that's what [[ThatOtherWiki Wikipedia]] says.) So they'll be subbing [[Anime/YuGiOhGX GX]], [[Anime/YuGiOh5Ds 5Ds]], SonicX, etc. And yet they haven't mentioned subbing ''Anime/YuGiOh'', the very show that garnered them all the fame/hatred/[[TakeaThirdOption hatred of fame?]] Er...

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* 4Kids likes/is a fan of [[WebVideo/YugiohTheAbridgedSeries YGOTAS,]] as it is so nicknamed. That's been out, what...1-2 years, maybe? When did 4Kids decide to start subbing, [[PurpleProse whilst]] keeping in the cursing and whatnot? A few months ago? (Hey, that's what [[ThatOtherWiki Wikipedia]] {{Wiki/Wikipedia}} says.) So they'll be subbing [[Anime/YuGiOhGX GX]], [[Anime/YuGiOh5Ds 5Ds]], SonicX, etc. And yet they haven't mentioned subbing ''Anime/YuGiOh'', the very show that garnered them all the fame/hatred/[[TakeaThirdOption hatred of fame?]] Er...
29th Apr '17 6:28:09 PM nombretomado
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* Why did 4Kids give up on getting the ''Manga/{{Naruto}}''' license? I mean, I'm glad they didn't get Naruto and all; I'm just curious as to why they'd give up on something that lucrative so quickly. Also, it's incredibly weird to watch english dubbed Yami, then realise that he (Dan Green) is part of the dubbing team and voice cast for Narutaru, if that ever gets off the ground...

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* Why did 4Kids give up on getting the ''Manga/{{Naruto}}''' ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' license? I mean, I'm glad they didn't get Naruto and all; I'm just curious as to why they'd give up on something that lucrative so quickly. Also, it's incredibly weird to watch english dubbed Yami, then realise that he (Dan Green) is part of the dubbing team and voice cast for Narutaru, if that ever gets off the ground...



* Why did they remove references to Japan, even changing character's names, in the shows they dubbed? It never made a lot of sense and it only served to confuse children who may have already been a fan of the anime/manga. I particularly have to bring it up for TokyoMewMew because I recall the manga version was pretty popular with its target audience already, and a lot of the kids tuning into the show were likely fans of the manga. Why, then, confuse them by changing character names?

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* Why did they remove references to Japan, even changing character's names, in the shows they dubbed? It never made a lot of sense and it only served to confuse children who may have already been a fan of the anime/manga. I particularly have to bring it up for TokyoMewMew ''Anime/TokyoMewMew'' because I recall the manga version was pretty popular with its target audience already, and a lot of the kids tuning into the show were likely fans of the manga. Why, then, confuse them by changing character names?
21st Dec '16 8:19:59 PM TheJayman49
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* Why did 4Kids even dub shows that were never actually meant for kids in the first place? I mean, I used to think that ''Yu-Gi-Oh'' was a kids' show until I started seeing clips from the original Japanese version, in which I learned that it was clearly aimed towards a more older demographic.
12th Sep '16 10:07:48 AM tropedope
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* Why did 4kids give up on getting the ''Manga/{{Naruto}}''' license? I mean, I'm glad they didn't get Naruto and all; I'm just curious as to why they'd give up on something that lucrative so quickly. Also, it's incredibly weird to watch english dubbed Yami, then realise that he (Dan Green) is part of the dubbing team and voice cast for Narutaru, if that ever gets off the ground...

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* Why did 4kids 4Kids give up on getting the ''Manga/{{Naruto}}''' license? I mean, I'm glad they didn't get Naruto and all; I'm just curious as to why they'd give up on something that lucrative so quickly. Also, it's incredibly weird to watch english dubbed Yami, then realise that he (Dan Green) is part of the dubbing team and voice cast for Narutaru, if that ever gets off the ground...



** Well, part of it is that the producers of the in-house shows have more contact with the Standards and Practices people, and therefore not only have a clearer idea of what can and can't be shown before the product is completed, but can argue their case for particular elements. Anime is already completed, and therefore there's only so much you can do it. In any case, the difference isn't really that pronounced; latter episodes of ''One Piece'' (specifically, from the Drum Island arc onward) are easily on par with the TMNT episodes that were airing at the time, violence-wise, plus or minus some green-colored guns.

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** Well, part of it is that the producers of the in-house shows have more contact with the Standards and Practices people, and therefore not only have a clearer idea of what can and can't be shown before the product is completed, but can argue their case for particular elements. Anime is already completed, and therefore there's only so much you can do with it. In any case, the difference isn't really that pronounced; latter episodes of ''One Piece'' (specifically, from the Drum Island arc onward) are easily on par with the TMNT episodes that were airing at the time, violence-wise, plus or minus some green-colored guns.



*** So because Yugi's Japanese voice actor has something going on, 4kids can't sub it? What the heck is ''on'' that contract?! [rhetorical question, btw]
*** Shunsuke Kazama is bound to Johnny's Entertainment, who is known to have pretty strict media regulations. (i.e. One of the acts they manage, Tokio, sang the first opening theme song to ''Anime/KodomoNoOmocha'' and all references to the song and them had to be cut out from the Funimation dub; they also manage [=SMAP=], Japan's top BoyBand, who sang the first opening theme song to ''Anime/AkazukinChacha'', and the song had to be replaced with a cover on even the ''Japanese'' [=DVD=] releases.)

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*** So because Yugi's Japanese voice actor has something going on, 4kids 4Kids can't sub it? What the heck is ''on'' that contract?! [rhetorical question, btw]
*** Shunsuke Kazama is bound to Johnny's Entertainment, who is known to have pretty strict media regulations. (i.e. One of the acts they manage, Tokio, sang the first opening theme song to ''Anime/KodomoNoOmocha'' and all references to the song and them theme had to be cut out from the Funimation dub; they also manage [=SMAP=], Japan's top BoyBand, who sang the first opening theme song to ''Anime/AkazukinChacha'', and the song had to be replaced with a cover on even the ''Japanese'' [=DVD=] releases.)



*** Source? 4kids still has the license, they're just in danger of losing it now. The court case has not been settled yet and a 4kids employee has [[http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/ikyum/iama_4kids_entertainmentproductions_employee_ama/ confirmed]] that they still have the license.

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*** Source? 4kids 4Kids still has the license, they're just in danger of losing it now. The court case has not been settled yet and a 4kids 4Kids employee has [[http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/ikyum/iama_4kids_entertainmentproductions_employee_ama/ confirmed]] that they still have the license.



** I think the main page already makes it clear. Most Anime fans always had a "love it or hate it" view of 4kids because while they had some bad practices, they did help to popularize ''Anime/YuGiOh'' and ''Pokemon'' in the West. However when One Piece hit the scene "which managed to combine all of the company's worst practices into one show [...] All of this solidified fandom hatred of the company, and it remains the darkest mark on its reputation." Thus their decline began.

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** I think the main page already makes it clear. Most Anime fans always had a "love it or hate it" view of 4kids 4Kids because while they had some bad practices, they did help to popularize ''Anime/YuGiOh'' and ''Pokemon'' in the West. However when One Piece hit the scene "which managed to combine all of the company's worst practices into one show [...] All of this solidified fandom hatred of the company, and it remains the darkest mark on its reputation." Thus their decline began.
7th Jul '16 1:48:05 PM Willbyr
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* Why did 4kids give up on getting the Main/{{Naruto}} license? I mean, I'm glad they didn't get Naruto and all; I'm just curious as to why they'd give up on something that lucrative so quickly. Also, it's incredibly weird to watch english dubbed Yami, then realise that he (Dan Green) is part of the dubbing team and voice cast for Narutaru, if that ever gets off the ground...

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* Why did 4kids give up on getting the Main/{{Naruto}} ''Manga/{{Naruto}}''' license? I mean, I'm glad they didn't get Naruto and all; I'm just curious as to why they'd give up on something that lucrative so quickly. Also, it's incredibly weird to watch english dubbed Yami, then realise that he (Dan Green) is part of the dubbing team and voice cast for Narutaru, if that ever gets off the ground...



** ''{{Narutaru}}''? Ah hahahaha...4Kids wouldn't have anything to do with ''that'', no sir/ma'am.

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** ''{{Narutaru}}''? ''Manga/{{Narutaru}}''? Ah hahahaha...4Kids wouldn't have anything to do with ''that'', no sir/ma'am.



*** He also voiced Asuma in ''Anime/{{Patlabor}}'' for Central Park Media (which IMO is worse than 4Kids, with the exceptions of ''Now and Then'' and ''RecordOfLodossWar''...).
* Aside from [[Main/{{Macekre}} the most obvious reason]], how is it that (at least in Philly, anyway) 4Kids is now part of two different channels' line-ups? Apparently, Main/TheCW (the one with the DC Comics cartoons) is 4Kids now. They've officially taken over Saturday morning cartoons.

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*** He also voiced Asuma in ''Anime/{{Patlabor}}'' for Central Park Media (which IMO is worse than 4Kids, with the exceptions of ''Now and Then'' and ''RecordOfLodossWar''...''Roleplay/RecordOfLodossWar''...).
* Aside from [[Main/{{Macekre}} [[{{Macekre}} the most obvious reason]], how is it that (at least in Philly, anyway) 4Kids is now part of two different channels' line-ups? Apparently, Main/TheCW Creator/TheCW (the one with the DC Comics cartoons) is 4Kids now. They've officially taken over Saturday morning cartoons.
27th Mar '16 8:47:01 AM MacronNotes
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***** ...So who's going to release the [[ThreeDMovie 3D Movie]] on DVD and Blu-ray now? From what I've seen, the most likely candidates are Viz Media (they release the manga) and Manga Entertainment (they recently picked up the movie in the UK, so I don't see why they can't salvage it Stateside, since they operate in the US of A as well).

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***** ...So who's going to release the [[ThreeDMovie 3D Movie]] Movie on DVD and Blu-ray now? From what I've seen, the most likely candidates are Viz Media (they release the manga) and Manga Entertainment (they recently picked up the movie in the UK, so I don't see why they can't salvage it Stateside, since they operate in the US of A as well).



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