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31st Aug '16 7:30:16 AM Wolfberries
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** There's also their vastly different upbringings to take into account. Ellie was ''born'' in a CrapsackWorld, and had to learn to fend for herself and deal with a lot of horrible things at a very young age. Hope lived fourteen happy and comfortable years with his family before he had his life turned upside down. It stands to reason that it'd take a lot more to make her snap than it did him.
15th Aug '16 12:57:06 PM finalfaw
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** Maybe the marks aren't the same ones' maybe where you meet the marks are the creatures breeding grounds?


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** Barthandelus stuck 'em there to help the group grow and not die, you would of thought that pulsian save points/stores would look like all pulse tech (gritty old industrial) but the save points are clearly cocoon tech.
15th Aug '16 12:42:22 PM finalfaw
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\n* What is up with the Cie'th stones positions in comparison to where you are going to kill the marks? like the mark blocking the city before the Faultwarrens, his mark, is literally, on the OTHER SIDE of the continent! and from the mission quote he knew where the hell it was!


15th Aug '16 12:37:00 PM finalfaw
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** Ragnarok tore off a huge chunk of Cocoon, and Oerba is pretty close to Cocoon, maybe she tore off a chunk, crystalized it and flung it, it smacked off Tajins tower (hence why it snapped) and landed near Oerba throwing up a huge crystal dust cloud.





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\n*I'm quite concerned about the fact that after 500 years apparently the whole population of Gran Pulse is either dead, a Cie'th or a Cie'th stone. we know at least 64 people turned to Cie'th stone (apparently mundane tasks like killing a few imps is worthy of specifically making a L'cie) then there is the Undying which I think were the war of transgression vets who became embittered, I'd assume the Cie'th that are in Oerba are Fang and Vanilles friends and neighbours, then the other Cie'th elsewhere accounts for (a canon would be they were only thought or seen once) id estimate about maybe 200-300 Gran Pulsians transformed into Cie'th, stones and undying, we are told that Gran Pulse is huge, huge enough they made a continent sized sphere, from scraps, so where the hell is the other 99.99999999% of the population?


14th Jul '16 12:14:43 PM Anddrix
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*** Whilst this is indeed true, I think the reason why Hope is such a BaseBreaker is not because he is a whiny kid, but because he is a whiny kid ''scaled up to eleven.'' My go to example of how to pull off a distressed teenager is Ellie from ''VideoGame/TheLastOfUs.'' She too has been through some absolutely unspeakable crap (including losing a Mother Figure before her eyes) and yet she doesn't feel the need to remind you about it by moaning and procrastinating in literally every scene she is in, and thus is a hell of a lot more bearable to the player because of it. There does come a point where ''It's Realistic!'' becomes counterproductive.

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*** Whilst this is indeed true, I think the reason why Hope is such a BaseBreaker BaseBreakingCharacter is not because he is a whiny kid, but because he is a whiny kid ''scaled up to eleven.'' My go to example of how to pull off a distressed teenager is Ellie from ''VideoGame/TheLastOfUs.'' She too has been through some absolutely unspeakable crap (including losing a Mother Figure before her eyes) and yet she doesn't feel the need to remind you about it by moaning and procrastinating in literally every scene she is in, and thus is a hell of a lot more bearable to the player because of it. There does come a point where ''It's Realistic!'' becomes counterproductive.
21st May '16 9:48:40 PM nombretomado
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* Has it actually been ''confirmed'' that over half of the game's content was cut out or is that just a rumor being thrown around because some PS3 fanboys are mad about the game also being on 360?

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* Has it actually been ''confirmed'' that over half of the game's content was cut out or is that just a rumor being thrown around because some PS3 [=PS3=] fanboys are mad about the game also being on 360?
28th Mar '16 11:40:55 AM MrDeath
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*** That's actually not true; ALL Fal'Cie have the ability to turn humans into I'Cie, and since the Focus is picked by the Fal'Cie who branded them, Barthandelus simply would have to do so personally rather than from afar. Recall Cid Raines, who's Focus was to guide Lightning and the others along the path to Cocoon's destruction (and then later serve as a puppet who would help incite conflict among Cocoon's population as planned), and he was branded by Barthandelus, a Sanctum fal'Cie - if he could give Sanctum I'Cie a Focus that helped end Cocoon despite his job, Barthandelus could easily do the same with other humans if the party failed, no matter how he had to do it. So long as Ragnarok arrived to end their existence, it mattered not how it happened, why things occurred in the order they did, or other such details - Pulse I'Cie are easiest, no doubts about that, but any I'Cie can be used it seems.

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*** That's actually not true; ALL Fal'Cie have the ability to turn humans into I'Cie, LíCie, and since the Focus is picked by the Fal'Cie who branded them, Barthandelus simply would have to do so personally rather than from afar. Recall Cid Raines, who's Focus was to guide Lightning and the others along the path to Cocoon's destruction (and then later serve as a puppet who would help incite conflict among Cocoon's population as planned), and he was branded by Barthandelus, a Sanctum fal'Cie - if he could give Sanctum I'Cie LíCie a Focus that helped end Cocoon despite his job, Barthandelus could easily do the same with other humans if the party failed, no matter how he had to do it. So long as Ragnarok arrived to end their existence, it mattered not how it happened, why things occurred in the order they did, or other such details - Pulse I'Cie LíCie are easiest, no doubts about that, but any I'Cie LíCie can be used it seems.



*** Keep in mind what he has to work with. He can't directly attack Orphan or Cocoon; he has to rely on substitutes. Nor can he ''make'' those substitutes himself; Cocoon I'cie are bound by the same rules as him. Only something oppositional will work, like something from Pulse and he can't very well send a mission there. "Pulse is Hell" after all; no one would go there especially not to bring something back. After the War of Trangression, there are no more humans on Pulse and the Fal'Cie are more interested in terraforming than anything else. All he has to work with are the I'cie created by Anima, IE the main party, but they are ''not strong enough'' to defeat Orphan who is '''compelled''' to defend himself for the same reason that Bart can not attack him; they cannot disobey their Focus of providing for Cocoon. So he sets up a game long gauntlet to toughen them up. After fighting him the first time, he decides they're still not strong enough so he sends them to the Arc to train, ''which the characters explicitly realize''.

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*** Keep in mind what he has to work with. He can't directly attack Orphan or Cocoon; he has to rely on substitutes. Nor can he ''make'' those substitutes himself; Cocoon I'cie Lície are bound by the same rules as him. Only something oppositional will work, like something from Pulse and he can't very well send a mission there. "Pulse is Hell" after all; no one would go there especially not to bring something back. After the War of Trangression, there are no more humans on Pulse and the Fal'Cie are more interested in terraforming than anything else. All he has to work with are the I'cie Lície created by Anima, IE the main party, but they are ''not strong enough'' to defeat Orphan who is '''compelled''' to defend himself for the same reason that Bart can not attack him; they cannot disobey their Focus of providing for Cocoon. So he sets up a game long gauntlet to toughen them up. After fighting him the first time, he decides they're still not strong enough so he sends them to the Arc to train, ''which the characters explicitly realize''.



*** Umm, it wouldn't exactly be that easy. Ignoring for the moment the rampant Pulse paranoia and fear, asking any person suspected of being a Pulse I'Cie to check for brands would mean checking 'everywhere', just to make sure - Serah concealed her arm brand with bandages, Lightning had hers straight on her chest, while Vanille's lay high on her outer thigh, ie not places that are commonly looked at in public. Doing anything of said nature would ultimately turn the populace on each other in a paranoia/fear frenzy (having been groomed for such a purpose)... and by the time of the Purge, it wasn't yet at a stage where it'd be appropriate for such turmoil, not to the fal'Cie anyway. In the eyes of the military/people anyway, they've been secretly conditioned to believe the Purge will solve the problem, and it's as simple as that; the rational thought of sending 'only' the actual I'Cie away never crossed their minds, because anything Pulse is tainted to them.

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*** Umm, it wouldn't exactly be that easy. Ignoring for the moment the rampant Pulse paranoia and fear, asking any person suspected of being a Pulse I'Cie LíCie to check for brands would mean checking 'everywhere', just to make sure - Serah concealed her arm brand with bandages, Lightning had hers straight on her chest, while Vanille's lay high on her outer thigh, ie not places that are commonly looked at in public. Doing anything of said nature would ultimately turn the populace on each other in a paranoia/fear frenzy (having been groomed for such a purpose)... and by the time of the Purge, it wasn't yet at a stage where it'd be appropriate for such turmoil, not to the fal'Cie anyway. In the eyes of the military/people anyway, they've been secretly conditioned to believe the Purge will solve the problem, and it's as simple as that; the rational thought of sending 'only' the actual I'Cie LíCie away never crossed their minds, because anything Pulse is tainted to them.
28th Mar '16 10:26:11 AM omegafire17
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*** At least in some cases (peoples' opinions included), being realistic is actually more bearable than the lack of said thing. Those who don't mind Hope's grief probably think some variation of that, and aren't annoyed in the slightest by his whining not just because it's understandable (feeling for it isn't hard), but because it's a good thing to let it out, and don't let the whining itself change those sympathetic feelings. And thus 'it's counterproductive to be this realistic' doesn't apply to that side of the fence, overall anyway.
21st Mar '16 3:11:50 PM omegafire17
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*** Umm, it wouldn't exactly be that easy. Ignoring for the moment the rampant Pulse paranoia and fear, asking any person suspected of being a Pulse I'Cie to check for brands would mean checking 'everywhere', just to make sure - Serah concealed her arm brand with bandages, Lightning had hers straight on her chest, while Vanille's lay high on her outer thigh, ie not places that are commonly looked at in public. Doing anything of said nature would ultimately turn the populace on each other in a paranoia/fear frenzy (having been groomed for such a purpose)... and by the time of the Purge, it wasn't yet at a stage where it'd be appropriate for such turmoil, not to the fal'Cie anyway. In the eyes of the military/people anyway, they've been secretly conditioned to believe the Purge will solve the problem, and it's as simple as that; the rational thought of sending 'only' the actual I'Cie away never crossed their minds, because anything Pulse is tainted to them.
21st Mar '16 2:22:42 PM omegafire17
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*** That's actually not true; ALL Fal'Cie have the ability to turn humans into I'Cie, and since the Focus is picked by the Fal'Cie who branded them, Barthandelus simply would have to do so personally rather than from afar. Recall Cid Raines, who's Focus was to guide Lightning and the others along the path to Cocoon's destruction (and then later serve as a puppet who would help incite conflict among Cocoon's population as planned), and he was branded by Barthandelus, a Sanctum fal'Cie - if he could give Sanctum I'Cie a Focus that helped end Cocoon despite his job, Barthandelus could easily do the same with other humans if the party failed, no matter how he had to do it. So long as Ragnarok arrived to end their existence, it mattered not how it happened, why things occurred in the order they did, or other such details - Pulse I'Cie are easiest, no doubts about that, but any I'Cie can be used it seems.
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