History Headscratchers / FinalFantasyXIII

26th Sep '17 7:10:58 PM ArchwizardDrake
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*** On the other hand, if you watch the cutscene closely, the racer only falls off in a panic because of the ship nearly hitting him as it fell past. Our heroes wouldn't have knocked the racer off the track if they hadn't all abandoned ship mid-air over the largest gathering of people in Cocoon, and instead had piloted the ship to a quieter location and safely disembarked away from the highest concentration of security in the city. The fact that their Eidolons were ready implies that the team had some plan -- but while Snow, Hope and Lightning seemed to be taking strategic actions to pick off security, the rest of their team was just riding aimlessly around the track. What exactly was the point of that?

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*** On the other hand, if you watch the cutscene closely, the racer only falls off in a panic because of the ship nearly hitting him as it fell past. Our heroes wouldn't have knocked the racer off the track if they hadn't all abandoned ship mid-air over the largest gathering of people in Cocoon, and instead had piloted the ship to a quieter location and safely disembarked away from the highest concentration of security in the city. The fact that their Eidolons were ready implies that the team had some plan -- but while Snow, Hope and Lightning seemed to be taking strategic actions to pick off security, the rest of their team was just riding aimlessly around the track. What exactly was the point of that?that, if not to actually make the crew ''look'' like terrorists?
26th Sep '17 7:02:29 PM ArchwizardDrake
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*** On the other hand, if you watch the cutscene closely, the racer only falls off in a panic because of the ship nearly hitting him as it fell past. Our heroes wouldn't have knocked the racer off the track if they hadn't all abandoned ship mid-air over the largest gathering of people in Cocoon, and instead had piloted the ship to a quieter location and safely disembarked away from the highest concentration of security in the city. The fact that their Eidolons were ready implies that the team had some plan -- but while Snow, Hope and Lightning seemed to be taking strategic actions to pick off security, the rest of their team was just riding aimlessly around the track. What exactly was the point of that?
12th Sep '17 11:35:43 AM HakkyounoTenshi
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** Actually if you pay careful attention during the scene where the party was turned into L'Cie the vision they get is actually Ragnarok saving Cocoon at the end of the game. It's highly likely that the Focus Anima gave the party was to actually to save Cocoon (and the human race). Barthandalus is just a ManipulativeBastard who's able to lead the party around by the nose.
12th Sep '17 11:06:36 AM HakkyounoTenshi
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** As for why he took it on vacation with him before the start of the game, I can't say. But as for why he's got it with him in Chapter 1: At the start of the game he's being shipped off to Pulse which people on Cocoon are told is a wild, untamed hell. No one has any clue what's down there, they only know that it's probably deadly. The boomerang folds up compactly enough that he was able to smuggle it past his guards and description for the item says that it's for amateur hunting so it's at least moderately effective. Remember that he's not a L'Cie at the start of the game (that happens in chapter 3), meaning he doesn't have access to magic yet. He's probably got it with him as a way of defending himself and his mother when they get to Pulse.
22nd Dec '16 12:25:09 PM thatsnumberwang
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* In a futuristic world of battle mechs, rocket launchers, jetpacks, drones, machine guns, power armour, airships and fighter aircraft; why would anyone go and put a siren on top of a flan or build a robot with basketballs for hands that punches you? These things simply do not make sense in-universe. And whilst we are on the subject, where are the non-Fal'Cie related monsters in this game coming from anyway? In previous games there were always answers within the narrative, always some otherworldly event or enemy that was spawning them. In this game however they are just ''there''.

13th Oct '16 1:43:30 PM kitikami
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\n\n**I was under the impression that they only regain their sentience and remember their focus once they become Cie'th stones. By the time that happens, they've been wandering around aimlessly for who knows how long as mindless Cie'th. Since they can't really move as Cie'th stones, they're just stuck wherever they happen to be at that point.

20th Sep '16 10:29:43 AM HakkyounoTenshi
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*** She's less a cop and more National Guard
20th Sep '16 10:25:28 AM HakkyounoTenshi
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*** Alternately: denial. The sister she was tasked with taking care of is leaing her to get married (And try to tell me that there isn't at least a little codependancy between Serah and Lightning), and is also essentially marked for a damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-don't FateWorseThanDeath. All of that landing on her at once, one can't really blame her for trying to reject it out of hand.

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*** Alternately: denial. The sister she was tasked with taking care of is leaing leaving her to get married (And try to tell me that there isn't at least a little codependancy between Serah and Lightning), and is also essentially marked for a damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-don't FateWorseThanDeath. All of that landing on her at once, one can't really blame her for trying to reject it out of hand.
** Lightning is unhealthy co-dependent on Serah and REALLY doesn't like Snow. She actually thinks that Serah's dating him as a cry for attention and that once she starts spending more time with Serah, Serah will kick him to the curb. She thinks the whole thing is a cry for attention, instead of, you know, a potential catastrophe.
20th Sep '16 10:15:38 AM HakkyounoTenshi
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*** Actually, Lighting is blaming Snow so she doesn't have to face her own guilt and jealousy. Guilt because she refused to take Serah seriously when Serah tried to tell her that she'd been turned into a L'Cie, and jealousy because she's afraid that Serah won't love or need her anymore now that she has Snow. She's fixating on Snow failing to save Serah so she doesn't have to face the fact that she refused to help until it was too late.


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** It's true that Hope's fixation on Snow is EXTREMELY annoying to listen to (this troper skipped most of Hope's dialogue until post chapter 7), but his circumstances make it easier to forgive him (if you want to blame anyone blame SE for making us listen to 25 hours of it), I honestly find it a lot hard to dismiss LIGHTNING's part in the let's-kill-Snow plan. While Hope is a sheltered kid who has been thrown into circumstances beyond his control and blames Snow for his mother's death (his mother being his LivingEmotionalCrutch. See the above troper's response about how reality is unrealistic), Lightning is an adult and a trained soldier who blames Snow for her sister's circumstances because she doesn't want to face her own guilt (when Serah told her that she'd become a L'Cie, Lightning immediately dismissed is as a lie so she and Snow could get married sooner. She ended up driving Serah away in tears) and jealously (she was afraid that Serah wouldn't love or need her anymore because she had Snow now). She blames Snow for failing to save Serah, when she refused to admit there was a proble until it was too late .Quite frankly, Lightning's role in the plan comes off more MurderTheHypotenuse than [[KnightTemplarBigBrother Knight Templar Big Sister]].
31st Aug '16 7:30:16 AM Wolfberries
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** There's also their vastly different upbringings to take into account. Ellie was ''born'' in a CrapsackWorld, and had to learn to fend for herself and deal with a lot of horrible things at a very young age. Hope lived fourteen happy and comfortable years with his family before he had his life turned upside down. It stands to reason that it'd take a lot more to make her snap than it did him.
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