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18th Dec '17 4:22:35 PM thatsnumberwang
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* Supposedly the reason why Auron keeps his non-sword hand hanging limp inside his coat is because he is a ronin (a samurai without a master) due to the death of Braska. Which is fair enough. But the moment Yuna takes him on as a Guardian, doesn't he in fact now have a master? (or mistress - I don't know if the term is gender specific in this context). Shouldn't that arm go back into his sleeve again? The only thing I can figure is that this is a bit of subtext that he really does not trust or respect Yuna as anything more than Braska's daughter and does not consider her worthy of being his master/mistress. Which, given how badly she handled the whole Seymour situation, I really can't blame that perception.
26th Nov '17 10:41:15 AM nombretomado
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** This makes a lot more sense if you're familiar with Hellenic (ancient Greek) and [[{{Gnosticism}} Gnostic]] philosophy, where the human soul and consciousness comes from fragments of primordial "stuff" that can be shaped and crafted like any another substance. Since the population of Dream Zanarkand is being summoned, that means they're Aeons (which is a Gnostic term). Both Aeons and the souls of Spirans are thus "conscious" or "alive", as they're made out of the same primordial soulstuff, named Pyreflies. The difference is that the Aeons are formed directly out of Pyreflies, and return to Pyreflies when the summoning is over. They're only given material substance by the force of will of the summoner, otherwise they exist only as the very essence of consciousness itself. When the freed essence ends up in the Farplane, it can thus be fashioned like an Aeon from the memories of the visitors, but since it's only the dead who have returned to the Farplane, living people won't show up because their fragments of Pyreflies aren't there. If this sounds like the Lifestream, FFVII also trucked heavily in Gnostic and Hellenic philosophy.

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** This makes a lot more sense if you're familiar with Hellenic (ancient Greek) and [[{{Gnosticism}} [[UsefulNotes/{{Gnosticism}} Gnostic]] philosophy, where the human soul and consciousness comes from fragments of primordial "stuff" that can be shaped and crafted like any another substance. Since the population of Dream Zanarkand is being summoned, that means they're Aeons (which is a Gnostic term). Both Aeons and the souls of Spirans are thus "conscious" or "alive", as they're made out of the same primordial soulstuff, named Pyreflies. The difference is that the Aeons are formed directly out of Pyreflies, and return to Pyreflies when the summoning is over. They're only given material substance by the force of will of the summoner, otherwise they exist only as the very essence of consciousness itself. When the freed essence ends up in the Farplane, it can thus be fashioned like an Aeon from the memories of the visitors, but since it's only the dead who have returned to the Farplane, living people won't show up because their fragments of Pyreflies aren't there. If this sounds like the Lifestream, FFVII also trucked heavily in Gnostic and Hellenic philosophy.
25th Nov '17 11:11:02 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* Yuna being neglected after her father's death. No, not the treatment from the [[AllOfTheOtherReindeer rest of Spira]], that's explainable by FantasticRacism, since Yuna is half-Al Bhed. It's a major dose of WhatTheHellTownspeople, but ItMakesSenseInContext. What bugs me is where was her Uncle Cid all those years?

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* Yuna being neglected after her father's death. No, not the treatment from the [[AllOfTheOtherReindeer rest of Spira]], that's explainable by FantasticRacism, since Yuna is half-Al Bhed. It's a major dose of WhatTheHellTownspeople, but ItMakesSenseInContext. What bugs me is where was her Uncle Cid all those years?
3rd Oct '17 6:52:38 AM cillianflood
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* So here's a pretty big one that I'm very surprised hasn't been mentioned yet. But why on earth did Sin destroy Dream Zanarkand at the start of the game? It's whole reason for existing is to protect the place yet he goes and nukes it! The game is pretty confused itself about how real the place is but the interpretation (supported by Ultamania) that it is in fact a real physical and acts much like an Aeon is the one that makes the most sense with all the facts. I doubt they can just dream everyone better (otherwise they could just magic up a whole army of mechs to defeat sin). Jecht went and killed all his old friends and family just to get Tidus to Spira (and it doesn't even seem like it was necessary since Jecht managed to leave and Auron managed to get to it without any Godzilla sightings. Auron could have just brought Tidus out sailing). Maybe an acceptable measure to finally end the cycle but certainly something OOC for Yu Yevon and Sin. Seems like it was put in just to start the game off with an exciting action sequence and show off Sin.

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* So here's a pretty big one that I'm very surprised hasn't been mentioned yet. But why on earth did Sin destroy Dream Zanarkand at the start of the game? It's whole reason for existing is to protect the place yet he goes and nukes it! The game is pretty confused itself about how real the place is but the interpretation (supported by Ultamania) that it is in fact a real physical place and acts much like an Aeon is the one that makes the most sense with all the facts. I doubt they can just dream everyone better (otherwise why would they could just magic up a whole army of mechs need Sin to defeat sin).protect it at all). Jecht went and killed all his old friends and family just to get Tidus to Spira (and it doesn't even seem like it was necessary since Jecht managed to leave and Auron managed to get to it without any Godzilla sightings. Auron could have just brought Tidus out sailing). Maybe an acceptable measure to finally end the cycle but certainly something OOC for Yu Yevon and Sin. Seems like it was put in just to start the game off with an exciting action sequence and show off Sin.
3rd Oct '17 6:44:52 AM cillianflood
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** It was hanging around the Zanarkand area at the same time as the party. Presumably he had an encounter with it and it scooped him up just like Tidus at the start of the game and the party at Macalania. If it didn't get into a fight with the airship not long afterwards it probably would have just spit him out in some other part of Spira.
3rd Oct '17 3:55:58 AM cillianflood
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** I think the answer is pretty simple. People developed bad ass warrior monks like Auron and black mages like Lulu. Fiends are strong but so are humans. Add to the fact that Tidus suggest fiends are rarer in the past and human civilization establishing itself isn't strange at all. The fiend problem isn't as big in the present as it was in the past. As Lulu says on Mt Gagazet, fiends kill people and create more fiends. The more there are the more the more people die and the more are made. Sin killing a crap tonne of people doesn't help too. But without those two factors the problem is pretty manageable. Less than one fiend for every dead person (I think there's a reference to multiple people making up a single fiend, and even if I'm miss remembering that not everybody makes a fiend) and you just need some warriors killing them every now and then.
2nd Oct '17 12:51:42 PM thatsnumberwang
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** Japanese ValuesDissonance also plays its part here as they are far more socially reserved in general than most Westerners (or at least they were back in 2001 when the game was made, I haven't been back for a while so the place may have changed.) You may or may not be aware that Yuna's final line to Tidus in this game ''I love you'' was changed from the original Japanese ''thank you'' for this exact reason. Yuna, who is a rather prim and proper type of girl, probably disliked the idea of waltzing hand-in-hand back to camp to the stares of her friends. I also have an idea regarding the friendship points mechanic in this game for it is entirely possible to have Tidus outright declare to Rikku or Lulu that he loves them prior to the kiss with Yuna; maybe she suddenly decided to make it clear to the other girls that he was taken? We do know that from the second game that she gets very upset at the idea that Tidus (not Shuyin for she doesn't know who that is yet) is close to Lenne.
2nd Oct '17 11:15:31 AM cillianflood
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* So here's a pretty big one that I'm very surprised hasn't been mentioned yet. But why on earth did Sin destroy Dream Zanarkand at the start of the game? It's whole reason for existing is to protect the place yet he goes and nukes it! The game is pretty confused itself about how real the place is but the interpretation (supported by Ultamania) that it is in fact a real physical and acts much like an Aeon is the one that makes the most sense with all the facts. I doubt they can just dream everyone better (otherwise they could just magic up a whole army of mechs to defeat sin). Jecht went and killed all his old friends and family just to get Tidus to Spira. Maybe an acceptable measure to finally end the cycle but certainly something OOC for Yu Yevon and Sin.

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* So here's a pretty big one that I'm very surprised hasn't been mentioned yet. But why on earth did Sin destroy Dream Zanarkand at the start of the game? It's whole reason for existing is to protect the place yet he goes and nukes it! The game is pretty confused itself about how real the place is but the interpretation (supported by Ultamania) that it is in fact a real physical and acts much like an Aeon is the one that makes the most sense with all the facts. I doubt they can just dream everyone better (otherwise they could just magic up a whole army of mechs to defeat sin). Jecht went and killed all his old friends and family just to get Tidus to Spira.Spira (and it doesn't even seem like it was necessary since Jecht managed to leave and Auron managed to get to it without any Godzilla sightings. Auron could have just brought Tidus out sailing). Maybe an acceptable measure to finally end the cycle but certainly something OOC for Yu Yevon and Sin. Seems like it was put in just to start the game off with an exciting action sequence and show off Sin.
2nd Oct '17 10:59:56 AM cillianflood
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** ^This is like the best comment I've ever read on TV Tropes, and I kind of want it to be the true answer. But the interpretation that I personally got was that she didn't want the two of them to go back together and give the impression to the others that they're now a couple. But then after thinking about if for a second realized she did want everyone to think of them as a couple.


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*So here's a pretty big one that I'm very surprised hasn't been mentioned yet. But why on earth did Sin destroy Dream Zanarkand at the start of the game? It's whole reason for existing is to protect the place yet he goes and nukes it! The game is pretty confused itself about how real the place is but the interpretation (supported by Ultamania) that it is in fact a real physical and acts much like an Aeon is the one that makes the most sense with all the facts. I doubt they can just dream everyone better (otherwise they could just magic up a whole army of mechs to defeat sin). Jecht went and killed all his old friends and family just to get Tidus to Spira. Maybe an acceptable measure to finally end the cycle but certainly something OOC for Yu Yevon and Sin.
2nd Oct '17 10:46:30 AM fearlessnikki
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** As Braska says to Auron in the flashback "there's a chance it might not come back this time". Yuna however discovers that Sin will definitely come back, and that the whole Final Aeon deal is just "false hope". She's just learned of Seymour's crazy plan to destroy Spira to "save" everyone, and realises that the tradition that has been carried out for centuries is not too different. As part of her pilgrimage, Yuna begins questioning the world around her and rebelling against society - taking her cousin (a 'heathen') as her guardian, willingly going after a Maester who is supposed to be untouchable, fleeing the law several times. At the point Yunalesca offers her the chance to create the Final Aeon, Yuna realises she can neither do what she had planned nor go back to her peaceful life on Besaid. She wanted to stop Sin, and the Final Aeon won't do that. So to her it's either find another way to beat Sin, or else die trying.





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\n** Note that the second time you fight Seymour, he absorbs the pyreflies of Kinoc and his soldiers, buffing himself up considerably. When they defeat him, they realise that the Bevelle army is not long behind and have to flee. When they fight on Mt Gagazet, Seymour just falls down the mountainside before they can get to him.





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** And maybe she wanted a few moments alone to compose herself.
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