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* If {{Revive Kills Zombie}}s, why does it work normally on Auron?
** Given that by that logic you could kill all fiends by simply healing them, it appears safe to say that unsent and undead are two different things.
** It seems rather stupid of the Maesters and the Bevelle gaurds to throw the three swimmers (and only those three) into the water dungeon while the other four are thrown into a standard dungeon.
*** Not so much because it was trial by ordeal and they were giving them (officially) a chance. And besides, the swimmers had [[ThatOneBoss trouble enough]].
*** If you look behind where Yuna starts her section, you'll notice there's a tunnel filled with water. Another one can be found in each spot where a party member can be picked up during Yuna's portion of the Trial. The implication here is that everyone was dumped into the Via Purifico, but the non-swimmers, being helpless in the water, found the nearest routes to dry land while the three swimmers just plunged ahead through the channel.
** If Yu Yevon possesses Aeons... why does the game end normally if you skip the extras? Should he not seek them out as well...?
*** They're only Fayth at that point, and Issaru and Donna had long abandoned any notion of completing their pilgrimage.
* Yevon cast out the Crusaders due to Operation Mi'ihen, deeming them "heretics." So, what the hell are Kinoc and Seymour doing there? Kinoc could be explained as being the man in charge of the Yevon military, but Seymour? In fact, Wakka himself stated that with the two of them there, it was like the whole thing was Yevon sponsored anyway. So how in the hell did anyone else not notice this? Moreover, how come '''''Wakka''''' was the only one to notice this?
** [[FantasticRacism That Guado half breed may be a Maester but he doesn't represent the true Yevon!]]
** To reaffirm to the people that the Final Aeon was the only way to defeat Sin. It seemed like many young people weren't interested in joining the church and opted to join the Crusaders instead because they thought they could defeat Sin with the ever increasing power of Al Bhed machinery. Having the Maesters there was just a way to make it seem like Yevon was on their side, when they were really just using them to prove a point and maintain the status quo.
*** This seems most likely. It strikes me that the point was to clear any doubts that Sin was unkillable. So the Yevonites, rather than fighting the Crusaders, threw in with them, giving (albeit more or less lip service) support, so they can claim they were there, they helped as best they could and hold it as proof that these means were useless, so the world would have to continue cultivating and sacrificing Summoners.
** Also, in Seymour's case, he's perhaps just [[OmnicidalManiac more than happy to sit back and watch people die.]]
** When you think about it, Operation Mi'ihen was doomed to fail before it ever began. What were they using to attempt to kill Sin? Machina. Where do they get their machina? They salvage it from ancient ruins. Why are these places ruins? Because Sin destroyed them. The machina they were using here had '''already''' failed to defeat Sin.
* Whatever happened to the guardians of all the other high summoners that had more than one guardian? Did they all die when the other was turned into the Final Aeon?
** Auron's backstory proves that they're left alive, though they apparently have to make their own way out. The reason Auron died was because he decided to go try to kill Yunalesca.
*** Ok, but only Auron was bequeathed the title 'Legendary Guardian'. Who knows how far the Yevon Church or Yunalesca was willing to go to conceal the truth about Sin and Yu Yevon if the others were allowed to go free?
*** Auron was bequeathed the title "Legendary Guardian" because he was one of Braska's ''two'' Guardians. He's the only, um, "living" person with that title because only one of Braska's Guardians is "alive" today. Bear in mind that Sin's only been defeated six times in history, and we don't know who all the Guardians for the High Summoners that defeated Sin were. The absence of proof is not, in and of itself, proof of anything. As pointed out above, Auron's backstory proves they're left to their own devices to find their way out.
*** It's very possible that many of the guardians died on the road to Zanarkand, a summoner has to sacrifice at least 1 guardian to make the final aeon and it's implied that most summoners have at most 2 guardians.
*** It's also stated by Donna that Yuna is something of an oddity for bringing so many guardians with her. It's probably just been one or two by tradition. Yunalesca's only guardian was her husband Lord Zaon. Lady Yocun appeared to have only one as well.
* Wakka not knowing Yuna is part Al Bhed is a bit of FridgeLogic bordering on fridge squick. If she's got the eye spirals, that means he never ''once'' looked her in the eyes. If she doesn't, that means her mother's heritage was swept under the rug from the ''world'', likely by the church of Yevon. Remember, ''immediately before'' becoming High Summoner, Braska was a ''disgraced'' member of the church for marrying an Al Bhed. And he and others ''knew'' it, since he could get away with saying no one would believe in him anyway. That's why he got the "delusional" drunkard Jecht on his team and it didn't knock him down any further.
** The thing is, she doesn't have the spirals. If you look carefully, she has heterocromia: a blue eye on her left, a green one on her right, but no spirals.
** When Braska became High Summoner, Yevon likely pretended his wife wasn't Al Bhed. Wakka was about 12 when Braska defeated Sin and didn't meet Yuna until then. Besaid is a small island almost completely isolated from the rest of Spira. Gossip such as one member of Yevon being disgraced probably didn't reach that far. Plus Wakka's hatred of the Al Bhed mostly comes from his brother's death so if he had known about Braska's wife at all, he may have forgotten in his rage.
*** But, while the Church of Yevon was more than happy to pretend the whole Al Bhed thing never happened, I find it very difficult to believe that they would be able to so effectively shut down the rumor mill that Wakka would not have heard about it. He didn't show any sign of hearing about it AT ALL. Nothing that said "I had heard, but I never suspected it was true" just...oblivious.
** Also, Wakka clearly ''doesn't know what Al Bhed eyes look like'', as he has no idea that Rikku is Al Bhed until it's shoved in his face.
*** FridgeBrilliance: The Al Bhed we see only wear their goggles when they're out in public, apart from Rin and Rikku. The Al Bhed Psyches were probably the only Al Bhed Wakka had ever met and they had their eyes covered.
* Seymour wants to become Sin and kill everyone so that all suffering will end. Except he'll be Sin, and there'll be no Summoner left to kill him, so basically his endgame is [[AndIMustScream being a giant hell-whale in an empty ocean alone forever]]?
** Mika proved that you can send yourself if you wish, presumably when whatever purpose is binding you to Spira becomes obsolete.
* After 1000 years of Sin, and subsequently the culture of summoners going on pilgrimages, why was there never a society of summoners that are fully trained and have completed their pilgrimages chosing to settle/make a small city and live close to Zanarkand so that they have summoners ready to defeat Sin in reserve so they can quickly dispatch them, reducing the time Sin is active and out reigning terror? If summoners are disciplined and prepared to die in their pilgrimages anyway, would it be that much of a stretch for them to spend the rest of their lives living closer to Sin to be ready? Especially since multiple summoners make a pilgrimage at once, there isn't anything that says that one summoner can defeat Sin while a second, trailing behind them but still fully trained if they've reached Zanarkand, can just settle down nearby and finish the job again as soon as Sin is revived, minutemen-style. Yeah, civilization beyond Gagazet is very barren, but surely they could have built a small city closer to Zanarkand for summoners to live quietly amongst each other, keeping their abilities honed and living normal lives while they are reserved. Presumably, this is one of those loopholes that Yevon probably says is forbidden or "it doesn't work like that", but nothing in the game seems to address this at all.
** Because Yevon doesn't want Sin to be defeated. Without the spiral of death there would be no control. Summoners going off nearly single file on an often fruitless journey works for them nicely.
* So, you remember Sin's toxin? That incredibly dangerous and well-known side-effect of encountering Sin that everyone in Besaid seems terrified of? That thing that is so infamous that Tidus managed to hide the fact that he knew nothing about Spira for a considerable length of time solely by using this as an excuse? Apparently, the party can fight Sin half a dozen times in close quarters (which includes being at ground zero during Operation Mi'hen, being transported several miles inside its belly to Bikanel and blowing a hole in its side and casually walking around in the mists and fluids within) and be perfectly fine. In fact, everyone you meet actually seems to be perfectly fine. It barely even gets a mention in Kilika or by the Crusaders even though they of all people should be saturated with the stuff. Either this threat has been wildly exaggerated or it just isn't a real thing, and the people of Spira are attributing these effects to something else.
** Judging from the depiction of it in game, Sin's Toxin is likely just the best definition Spira has for PTSD. Sin is just such a recurring traumatic even that it's likely the easiest explanation that people could come up with (such as how the term originated as Shell Shocked and thought only soldiers and veterans got it)
** Given that by that logic you could kill all fiends by simply healing them, it appears safe to say that unsent and undead are two different things.
** It seems rather stupid of the Maesters and the Bevelle gaurds to throw the three swimmers (and only those three) into the water dungeon while the other four are thrown into a standard dungeon.
*** Not so much because it was trial by ordeal and they were giving them (officially) a chance. And besides, the swimmers had [[ThatOneBoss trouble enough]].
*** If you look behind where Yuna starts her section, you'll notice there's a tunnel filled with water. Another one can be found in each spot where a party member can be picked up during Yuna's portion of the Trial. The implication here is that everyone was dumped into the Via Purifico, but the non-swimmers, being helpless in the water, found the nearest routes to dry land while the three swimmers just plunged ahead through the channel.
** If Yu Yevon possesses Aeons... why does the game end normally if you skip the extras? Should he not seek them out as well...?
*** They're only Fayth at that point, and Issaru and Donna had long abandoned any notion of completing their pilgrimage.
* Yevon cast out the Crusaders due to Operation Mi'ihen, deeming them "heretics." So, what the hell are Kinoc and Seymour doing there? Kinoc could be explained as being the man in charge of the Yevon military, but Seymour? In fact, Wakka himself stated that with the two of them there, it was like the whole thing was Yevon sponsored anyway. So how in the hell did anyone else not notice this? Moreover, how come '''''Wakka''''' was the only one to notice this?
** [[FantasticRacism That Guado half breed may be a Maester but he doesn't represent the true Yevon!]]
** To reaffirm to the people that the Final Aeon was the only way to defeat Sin. It seemed like many young people weren't interested in joining the church and opted to join the Crusaders instead because they thought they could defeat Sin with the ever increasing power of Al Bhed machinery. Having the Maesters there was just a way to make it seem like Yevon was on their side, when they were really just using them to prove a point and maintain the status quo.
*** This seems most likely. It strikes me that the point was to clear any doubts that Sin was unkillable. So the Yevonites, rather than fighting the Crusaders, threw in with them, giving (albeit more or less lip service) support, so they can claim they were there, they helped as best they could and hold it as proof that these means were useless, so the world would have to continue cultivating and sacrificing Summoners.
** Also, in Seymour's case, he's perhaps just [[OmnicidalManiac more than happy to sit back and watch people die.]]
** When you think about it, Operation Mi'ihen was doomed to fail before it ever began. What were they using to attempt to kill Sin? Machina. Where do they get their machina? They salvage it from ancient ruins. Why are these places ruins? Because Sin destroyed them. The machina they were using here had '''already''' failed to defeat Sin.
* Whatever happened to the guardians of all the other high summoners that had more than one guardian? Did they all die when the other was turned into the Final Aeon?
** Auron's backstory proves that they're left alive, though they apparently have to make their own way out. The reason Auron died was because he decided to go try to kill Yunalesca.
*** Ok, but only Auron was bequeathed the title 'Legendary Guardian'. Who knows how far the Yevon Church or Yunalesca was willing to go to conceal the truth about Sin and Yu Yevon if the others were allowed to go free?
*** Auron was bequeathed the title "Legendary Guardian" because he was one of Braska's ''two'' Guardians. He's the only, um, "living" person with that title because only one of Braska's Guardians is "alive" today. Bear in mind that Sin's only been defeated six times in history, and we don't know who all the Guardians for the High Summoners that defeated Sin were. The absence of proof is not, in and of itself, proof of anything. As pointed out above, Auron's backstory proves they're left to their own devices to find their way out.
*** It's very possible that many of the guardians died on the road to Zanarkand, a summoner has to sacrifice at least 1 guardian to make the final aeon and it's implied that most summoners have at most 2 guardians.
*** It's also stated by Donna that Yuna is something of an oddity for bringing so many guardians with her. It's probably just been one or two by tradition. Yunalesca's only guardian was her husband Lord Zaon. Lady Yocun appeared to have only one as well.
* Wakka not knowing Yuna is part Al Bhed is a bit of FridgeLogic bordering on fridge squick. If she's got the eye spirals, that means he never ''once'' looked her in the eyes. If she doesn't, that means her mother's heritage was swept under the rug from the ''world'', likely by the church of Yevon. Remember, ''immediately before'' becoming High Summoner, Braska was a ''disgraced'' member of the church for marrying an Al Bhed. And he and others ''knew'' it, since he could get away with saying no one would believe in him anyway. That's why he got the "delusional" drunkard Jecht on his team and it didn't knock him down any further.
** The thing is, she doesn't have the spirals. If you look carefully, she has heterocromia: a blue eye on her left, a green one on her right, but no spirals.
** When Braska became High Summoner, Yevon likely pretended his wife wasn't Al Bhed. Wakka was about 12 when Braska defeated Sin and didn't meet Yuna until then. Besaid is a small island almost completely isolated from the rest of Spira. Gossip such as one member of Yevon being disgraced probably didn't reach that far. Plus Wakka's hatred of the Al Bhed mostly comes from his brother's death so if he had known about Braska's wife at all, he may have forgotten in his rage.
*** But, while the Church of Yevon was more than happy to pretend the whole Al Bhed thing never happened, I find it very difficult to believe that they would be able to so effectively shut down the rumor mill that Wakka would not have heard about it. He didn't show any sign of hearing about it AT ALL. Nothing that said "I had heard, but I never suspected it was true" just...oblivious.
** Also, Wakka clearly ''doesn't know what Al Bhed eyes look like'', as he has no idea that Rikku is Al Bhed until it's shoved in his face.
*** FridgeBrilliance: The Al Bhed we see only wear their goggles when they're out in public, apart from Rin and Rikku. The Al Bhed Psyches were probably the only Al Bhed Wakka had ever met and they had their eyes covered.
* Seymour wants to become Sin and kill everyone so that all suffering will end. Except he'll be Sin, and there'll be no Summoner left to kill him, so basically his endgame is [[AndIMustScream being a giant hell-whale in an empty ocean alone forever]]?
** Mika proved that you can send yourself if you wish, presumably when whatever purpose is binding you to Spira becomes obsolete.
* After 1000 years of Sin, and subsequently the culture of summoners going on pilgrimages, why was there never a society of summoners that are fully trained and have completed their pilgrimages chosing to settle/make a small city and live close to Zanarkand so that they have summoners ready to defeat Sin in reserve so they can quickly dispatch them, reducing the time Sin is active and out reigning terror? If summoners are disciplined and prepared to die in their pilgrimages anyway, would it be that much of a stretch for them to spend the rest of their lives living closer to Sin to be ready? Especially since multiple summoners make a pilgrimage at once, there isn't anything that says that one summoner can defeat Sin while a second, trailing behind them but still fully trained if they've reached Zanarkand, can just settle down nearby and finish the job again as soon as Sin is revived, minutemen-style. Yeah, civilization beyond Gagazet is very barren, but surely they could have built a small city closer to Zanarkand for summoners to live quietly amongst each other, keeping their abilities honed and living normal lives while they are reserved. Presumably, this is one of those loopholes that Yevon probably says is forbidden or "it doesn't work like that", but nothing in the game seems to address this at all.
** Because Yevon doesn't want Sin to be defeated. Without the spiral of death there would be no control. Summoners going off nearly single file on an often fruitless journey works for them nicely.
* So, you remember Sin's toxin? That incredibly dangerous and well-known side-effect of encountering Sin that everyone in Besaid seems terrified of? That thing that is so infamous that Tidus managed to hide the fact that he knew nothing about Spira for a considerable length of time solely by using this as an excuse? Apparently, the party can fight Sin half a dozen times in close quarters (which includes being at ground zero during Operation Mi'hen, being transported several miles inside its belly to Bikanel and blowing a hole in its side and casually walking around in the mists and fluids within) and be perfectly fine. In fact, everyone you meet actually seems to be perfectly fine. It barely even gets a mention in Kilika or by the Crusaders even though they of all people should be saturated with the stuff. Either this threat has been wildly exaggerated or it just isn't a real thing, and the people of Spira are attributing these effects to something else.
** Judging from the depiction of it in game, Sin's Toxin is likely just the best definition Spira has for PTSD. Sin is just such a recurring traumatic even that it's likely the easiest explanation that people could come up with (such as how the term originated as Shell Shocked and thought only soldiers and veterans got it)
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** The spiral might not go all the way through the iris. It could be that what they have are irises with a deep spiral-shaped groove that ends at the pupil (the actual window to the retina) rather than a spiral-shaped fissure instead of a circular pupil. Although that might just raise further questions about the function of their iris muscle.
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** The longer Tidus spends with Yuna (and developing romantic feelings for her), the stronger he'll feel when he learns the truth. That's why Auron didn't tell him. Auron wants the kids to be good and motivated to find a way out of the spiral of death. If Tidus knew the truth from the start, there's a risk he would buy into the "necessity" of the sacrifice--and that he would fail to make Yuna consider another way by asking uninformed yet {{Armor Piercing Quesion}}s.
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** Speaking of his Overdrives, they are won through Blitzball leagues and tournaments. Nothing seems to indicate that there are other practictioners of his combat style, so if a team besides the Aurochs won those prizes, what would they do with them?
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** Speaking of his Overdrives, they are won through Blitzball leagues and tournaments. Nothing seems to indicate that there are other practictioners of his combat style, style (beaning enemies with a blitzball), so if a team besides the Aurochs won those prizes, what would they do with them?
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** Speaking of his Overdrives, why are they are won through Blitzball leagues and tournaments? tournaments. Nothing seems to indicate that there are other practictioners of his combat style, so if another a team besides the Aurochs won those prizes, what would they do with them?
