History Headscratchers / FinalFantasyVIII

25th Jun '17 1:11:27 PM nombretomado
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*** ''Also the 'extensive military discipline' instilled from a young age to the VIII characters doesn't seem to be particularly effective, since most of the characters appear to suffer from either extreme cases of attention deficit disorder or be brooding bastards that end up working with the Big Bad.'' Which characters showed attention deficit disorder? Selphie is highly energetic and Zell's a bit of an idiot, but anyone who's spent any time around actual soldiers will tell you that there ''are'' energetic soldiers and there ''are'' idiotic soldiers, many of whom often end up in ''command positions.'' See ''GenerationKill'' for an excellent example of this. And WRT "brooding bastards who end up working with the Big Bad," there was a grand total of '''one person''' who did that, and that happened '''while he was under mind control.'''

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*** ''Also the 'extensive military discipline' instilled from a young age to the VIII characters doesn't seem to be particularly effective, since most of the characters appear to suffer from either extreme cases of attention deficit disorder or be brooding bastards that end up working with the Big Bad.'' Which characters showed attention deficit disorder? Selphie is highly energetic and Zell's a bit of an idiot, but anyone who's spent any time around actual soldiers will tell you that there ''are'' energetic soldiers and there ''are'' idiotic soldiers, many of whom often end up in ''command positions.'' See ''GenerationKill'' ''Literature/GenerationKill'' for an excellent example of this. And WRT "brooding bastards who end up working with the Big Bad," there was a grand total of '''one person''' who did that, and that happened '''while he was under mind control.'''
19th Jun '17 1:20:43 AM MoPete
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** Someone (likely Edea) must have healed him after the ice piercing, because the first thing he notices after he wakes up is that the wound is completely gone. "My wound... ? No wound...? How...?"
6th May '17 10:41:07 AM JoieDeCombat
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*** Ultimecia ''herself'' created the prophecy of the evil sorceress who will conquer the world. She possessed Sorceress Edea, publicly murdered the President of Galbadia, announced herself as a conquering sorceress and proceeded to wage a world war. Posterity tends to remember that kind of thing. It's a classic StableTimeLoop; her actions brought about the very situation she was trying to prevent.

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*** Ultimecia ''herself'' created the prophecy of the evil sorceress who will conquer the world. She possessed Sorceress Edea, publicly murdered the President of Galbadia, announced herself as a conquering sorceress and proceeded to wage a world war. Posterity tends to remember that kind of thing. It's a classic StableTimeLoop; her actions brought about the very situation she was trying to prevent. As far as the game indicates, it's not that the name "Ultimecia" is specifically known, it's simply the fact that it's a matter of historical record that a sorceress tried/will try to conquer the world.
6th May '17 10:36:49 AM JoieDeCombat
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*** Ultimecia ''herself'' created the prophecy of the evil sorceress who will conquer the world. She possessed Sorceress Edea, publicly murdered the President of Galbadia, announced herself as a conquering sorceress and proceeded to wage a world war. Posterity tends to remember that kind of thing. It's a classic StableTimeLoop; her actions brought about the very situation she was trying to prevent.
6th May '17 5:12:05 AM fearlessnikki
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** We don't know that the party was an open social function. Rinoa was there as a guest sure, and there are other girls seen in dresses (as opposed to Selphie, who's in her uniform), but Rinoa does imply that Seifer helped get her into the party. So with any formal occasion, invitations would be required, and the girls in dresses presumably were 'plus ones' who had RSVP'd and were on a list. Squall had also seen Ellone in the infirmary already and (optionally) seen her in the library, so he could have also assumed she was another student.



** Yep. That's why they had to go into space to find her and take Rinoa with them. Ellone at first says to Squall "I can't, I don't know Rinoa". But she changes her tune as soon as he says they've brought her with them.




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** The reason they don't warn Trabia is because they only find out about the plan when the missiles are physically launched in front of them. At which point they're out in the desert and they have no methods of communication. Selphie is the only one who's been to Trabia and you can sort of tell that the game was made in the 90s before every teen had cellphones - it was something the developers wouldn't have thought of - so Selphie doesn't have any kind of phone she can ring her friends with and warn them. And in such a situation, military forces (which the group kind of are) would have to make a judgement call. They have just six people and they have to distribute their resources evenly. Balamb is a time-sensitive issue, so one party has to go to the missile base to try and stop the next round being launched. And the rest has to hurry back to Balamb to warn people what's happening. There's nothing they can do for Trabia, except help in reconstruction at some point later, but they can help Balamb.


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** How would it be 'common knowledge' that Rinoa and her father don't get along? She doesn't use his last name when she's involved in the resistance group in Timber, and the gang don't even realise that she's General Caraway's daughter until they're on the front doorstep and she says "this is my house". Edea has also only just arrived in Deling City, so she probably hasn't had time to meet anyone yet. Rinoa probably had a good story in her head just in case Edea did question what she was doing - but never got to use it because of what actually happened. In her head, she thought she could do it, but she bit off more than she could chew. She does mention in Trabia Garden that she sometimes feels like she's being left behind by the others - so her desire to do something to keep up with them clearly overwrote her better judgment.


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** Edea helped design the Gardens so if Ultimecia has access to her mind, then she knows what to do to activate them. That's probably also why she orders missiles fired on the physical Gardens themselves - as opposed to just arresting and imprisoning all [=SeeDs=].
11th Feb '17 9:50:38 PM duomas
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*** I also believe it is more of a subtle hint as to how advanced Esthar's space program is. Squall asks to see Ellone, the Esthar officials didn't think to warn him it's in space because space travel is so mundane and commonplace to them. Look at their routine when it comes to picking up passengers from the lunar gate. Space travel to them would be like air travel for us.
27th Dec '16 10:33:16 AM Zaptech
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*** That would be the case if Garden was a genuine military installation, but it's pretty clear that, despite training and arming mercenaries, the Gardens are little more than fancy colleges. They don't have guards or perimeter security, their campus is open even at night, and they're having an open social function at the same time where guests can just walk in. Most likely, Quistis and Squall just assumed Ellone was a party guest who got separated from fancy bodyguards and wandered somewhere she shouldn't have, since they're obviously not thinking like soldiers on a secured military base but students at a university campus (where the courses happen to be about violence and the application thereof).
25th Dec '16 7:59:46 AM thatsnumberwang
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*** This does of course all lead into the question as to why Squall and Quistis didn't do anything more than ''stare in bemusement'' when they rescued Ellone in the training centre. If you need any more explanation as to why she was removed from her official post, Quistis stood there and did absolutely nothing as a complete stranger (Read: intruder) got into trouble in their highly dangerous area full of monsters (Read: trespassing) and get carried away by two uniformed strangers (Read: intruding soldiers who may or may not be enemies). The correct response here is not ''huh, how weird,'' its ''halt, who goes there?''
25th Dec '16 5:37:16 AM thatsnumberwang
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23rd Oct '16 6:54:28 PM nombretomado
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** Ellone is not a sorceress. The game says as much: when Odine and Laguna are explaining their plan to kill Adel and ride Time Compression to the future, they specifically state Rinoa and Adel are the only two. Odine is the world's foremost scientific expert on sorceresses, so if anyone would know, it's him. Ellone was ''originally'' a candidate to replace Adel, but Odine instead performed experiments on her when he found out about her powers. The game (or at least the transcript on GameFAQs) says he found something in her electric brain patterns, so apparently she just has some kind of quirk psychic power.

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** Ellone is not a sorceress. The game says as much: when Odine and Laguna are explaining their plan to kill Adel and ride Time Compression to the future, they specifically state Rinoa and Adel are the only two. Odine is the world's foremost scientific expert on sorceresses, so if anyone would know, it's him. Ellone was ''originally'' a candidate to replace Adel, but Odine instead performed experiments on her when he found out about her powers. The game (or at least the transcript on GameFAQs) Website/GameFAQs) says he found something in her electric brain patterns, so apparently she just has some kind of quirk psychic power.
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