History Headscratchers / FateStayNight

24th May '16 9:13:54 PM MaybeSpiderman
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** It's also a pun. Japanese has no V-sound, so V is often transcribed as B instead. Of course, 'seibaa' is obviously a transcription of 'saber', but if you remember that B can also be transcribed from V, you get the other meaning - saver. Saber-class servants are the strongest servants, pretty much always making it to the final battles of the Grail Wars, so a Master with a Saber-class Servant could be said to have been saved from the War.
6th May '16 2:50:55 AM WolfWitness
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** This is going to a bit of a hassle to explain but I'll it give a shot. Basically AllMythsAreTrue BEFORE Gilgamesh unleashed the Bull of Heaven and ending the Age of the Gods. Anything that happens after Gilgamesh that involves Divinity (i.e. Norse, Egyptian,Greek Mythology and such) are just human fabrications for the most part, hence why ol' Goldy has weapons supposedly made by gods in the Gate of Babylon when it's supposed to hold only the treasures of humanity. Yes, this is the official Nasuverse stance and yes, I find it a rather lame way to keep Gilgamesh on top.

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** This is going to be a bit of a hassle to explain but I'll it give a shot. Basically AllMythsAreTrue BEFORE Gilgamesh unleashed the Bull of Heaven and ending the Age of the Gods. Anything that happens after Gilgamesh that involves Divinity (i.e. Norse, Egyptian,Greek Mythology and such) are just human fabrications for the most part, hence why ol' Goldy has weapons supposedly made by gods in the Gate of Babylon when it's supposed to hold only the treasures of humanity. Yes, this is the official Nasuverse stance and yes, I find it a rather lame way to keep Gilgamesh on top.
6th May '16 2:27:25 AM WolfWitness
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** This is going to a bit of a hassle to explain but I'll it give a shot. Basically AllMythsAreTrue BEFORE Gilgamesh unleashed the Bull of Heaven and ending the Age of the Gods. Anything that happens after Gilgamesh that involves Divinity (i.e. Norse, Egyptian,Greek Mythology and such) are just human fabrications for the most part, hence why ol' Goldy has weapons supposedly made by gods in the Gate of Babylon when it's supposed to hold only the treasures of humanity. Yes, this is the official Nasuverse stance and yes, I find it a rather lame way to keep Gilgamesh on top.
18th Mar '16 12:38:50 PM OgreProdigy
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** I assumed based on reading Fate/Stay/Night she was supposed to have been, but that this was retconned in Fate/Zero.
28th Feb '16 11:03:41 PM thistledown
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* Still watching through UBW. One thing that bothering me though. They meet up against Berserker pretty early, and realize he's a tough nut. Then they realize Caster is a big problem, and are trying to figure out how to deal with her. Why not try and lure Berserker into fighting Caster? He's still out there somewhere, Rin should know where the other mage family lives. While an alliance is unlikely, just picking a fight and then kiting him up to the temple sounds like it's worth a try. Instead they just seem to forget about him.
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[[folder: Berserker vs Caster]]
* Still watching through UBW. One thing that bothering me though. They meet up against Berserker pretty early, and realize he's a tough nut. Then they realize Caster is a big problem, and are trying to figure out how to deal with her. Why not try and lure Berserker into fighting Caster? He's still out there somewhere, Rin should know where the other mage family lives. While an alliance is unlikely, just picking a fight and then kiting him up to the temple sounds like it's worth a try. Instead they just seem to forget about him.
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28th Feb '16 8:42:24 PM thistledown
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[[folder: Berserker vs Caster]]
*Still watching through UBW. One thing that bothering me though. They meet up against Berserker pretty early, and realize he's a tough nut. Then they realize Caster is a big problem, and are trying to figure out how to deal with her. Why not try and lure Berserker into fighting Caster? He's still out there somewhere, Rin should know where the other mage family lives. While an alliance is unlikely, just picking a fight and then kiting him up to the temple sounds like it's worth a try. Instead they just seem to forget about him.
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11th Jan '16 8:46:13 PM baschapp
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11th Jan '16 8:45:44 PM baschapp
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* Just a little theory I worked out: about half of Saber's legend is that she is the "Once and Future King". As in she will one day return. Assuming that's cannon in the Nasuverse, after the Fate ending, she goes to Avalon, and stays there. I'm assuming that she'll return from there and save England or whatever, possibly with Shirou by her side. Afterwards, what? Would they go back to Avalon together? Would they ascend to the Throne of Heroes? If its the latter, what fame would bring them there? Imagine for a moment, that they return in the year 4000, and both their legends have been entirely forgotten. After they do whatever it is they do, would the fame of their 'old' legends, as King Arther and the Second Magus Killer, despite having been forgotten by the minds of the time, bring them there, or would it be the fame of their 'modern' legends, as the man and woman who saved England do it? Both?
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1st Jan '16 11:54:38 AM ElvenQueen
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** Shirou wasn't unable to see Saber as anything more than a pretty girl who couldn't fight; UBW and HF prove that very conclusively. He doesn't even look down on anyone, he doesn't have the self-image to. Nor is he normally sexist in the least; (aside from a line in Fate about being happy about Ayaka's attempted molestation), the whole of his "sexist" behavior was his treatment of Saber for half of the Fate route. The whole point of his behavior is that he's ''making himself'' act sexist, because he doesn't know what else to do. His first instinct is to protect everyone (not women, ''[[ChronicHeroSyndrome everyone]]'') he sees, and he's dealing with the painful double-awareness that not only is Saber directly in line to charge into mortal danger (getting almost killed by Berserker), but he's thoroughly unqualified to do anything about it. There's no logical argument to keep her from fighting, so he resorts to illogic (not helped by the fact that he's somewhat emotionally stunted). He knows she could kick his ass indefinitely, that's why he asks her to train him in swordplay (she opted instead to kick his ass up and down the dojo, teaching him how to dodge and when not to fight).

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** Shirou wasn't unable to see Saber as anything more than a pretty girl who couldn't fight; UBW and HF prove that very conclusively. He doesn't even look down on anyone, he doesn't have the self-image to. Nor is he normally sexist in the least; (aside from a line in Fate about being happy about Ayaka's Ayako's attempted molestation), the whole of his "sexist" behavior was his treatment of Saber for half of the Fate route. The whole point of his behavior is that he's ''making himself'' act sexist, because he doesn't know what else to do. His first instinct is to protect everyone (not women, ''[[ChronicHeroSyndrome everyone]]'') he sees, and he's dealing with the painful double-awareness that not only is Saber directly in line to charge into mortal danger (getting almost killed by Berserker), but he's thoroughly unqualified to do anything about it. There's no logical argument to keep her from fighting, so he resorts to illogic (not helped by the fact that he's somewhat emotionally stunted). He knows she could kick his ass indefinitely, that's why he asks her to train him in swordplay (she opted instead to kick his ass up and down the dojo, teaching him how to dodge and when not to fight).
30th Dec '15 10:22:13 AM Aquar1us
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** Shirou wasn't unable to see Saber as anything more than a pretty girl who couldn't fight; UBW and HF prove that very conclusively. He doesn't even look down on anyone, he doesn't have the self-image to. Nor is he normally sexist in the least; aside from a throwaway line in Fate about Ayaka needing to be more feminine (which is, interestingly, directly contradicted in UBW), the whole of his "sexist" behavior was his treatment of Saber for half of the Fate route. The whole point of his behavior is that he's ''making himself'' act sexist, because he doesn't know what else to do. His first instinct is to protect everyone (not women, ''[[ChronicHeroSyndrome everyone]]'') he sees, and he's dealing with the painful double-awareness that not only is Saber directly in line to charge into mortal danger (getting almost killed by Berserker), but he's thoroughly unqualified to do anything about it. There's no logical argument to keep her from fighting, so he resorts to illogic (not helped by the fact that he's somewhat emotionally stunted). He knows she could kick his ass indefinitely, that's why he asks her to train him in swordplay (she opted instead to kick his ass up and down the dojo, teaching him how to dodge and when not to fight).

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** Shirou wasn't unable to see Saber as anything more than a pretty girl who couldn't fight; UBW and HF prove that very conclusively. He doesn't even look down on anyone, he doesn't have the self-image to. Nor is he normally sexist in the least; aside (aside from a throwaway line in Fate about Ayaka needing to be more feminine (which is, interestingly, directly contradicted in UBW), being happy about Ayaka's attempted molestation), the whole of his "sexist" behavior was his treatment of Saber for half of the Fate route. The whole point of his behavior is that he's ''making himself'' act sexist, because he doesn't know what else to do. His first instinct is to protect everyone (not women, ''[[ChronicHeroSyndrome everyone]]'') he sees, and he's dealing with the painful double-awareness that not only is Saber directly in line to charge into mortal danger (getting almost killed by Berserker), but he's thoroughly unqualified to do anything about it. There's no logical argument to keep her from fighting, so he resorts to illogic (not helped by the fact that he's somewhat emotionally stunted). He knows she could kick his ass indefinitely, that's why he asks her to train him in swordplay (she opted instead to kick his ass up and down the dojo, teaching him how to dodge and when not to fight).
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