History Headscratchers / Fanwank

31st Dec '12 11:10:52 PM PrincesTomboy
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** And in conclusion, "fan masturbation" took too long to type every time.
19th May '12 7:31:07 AM Redblackdragon
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** A quick and dirty explanation of what the word means in all non-DateWithRosiePalms examples: A excessive, solitary activity that benefits only the wanker is and unpleasant to anyone else.
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** A quick and dirty explanation of what the word means in all non-DateWithRosiePalms non-ADateWithRosiePalms examples: A excessive, solitary activity that benefits only the wanker is and unpleasant to anyone else.
19th May '12 7:30:45 AM Redblackdragon
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** A quick and dirty explanation of what the word means in all non-DateWithRosiePalms examples: A excessive, solitary activity that benefits only the wanker is and unpleasant to anyone else.
2nd Apr '12 2:19:21 PM gfrequency
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** I live in America, and I've ''never'' heard the term "wank" used to mean anything else. Of ''course'' FanWank is a reference to ADateWithRosiePalms. Masturbation is meaningless self-gratification. So is making up a convoluted theory to "excuse" a canonical detail or development you didn't like and posting endlessly about it on the internet.
19th Feb '12 2:00:27 AM stardust_comet
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** As this troper understands it (correct me if I'm wrong here, but I've seen Americans use it this way before) wank seems to be the US equivalent of whinging or slang for something incredibly stupid, and because the majority of native English speakers - both on the net and in the world - are in North America it's more likely that non-native English speakers will see that usage of wank on the net. It's much easier to catch onto that meaning of wank, since it's more common to complain about someone else... well complaining or being stupid, than to be talking about ahem... {{ADateWithRosiePalms}}. So it's usage for a trope would seem practically harmless to a lot of people who use the net regularly. Too bad for those of us who use wank to mean something else, it's one of those phrases we need to keep out of polite conversation.
16th Oct '11 9:08:20 AM judasmartel
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6th Aug '11 7:23:56 PM DominusTemporis
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** Also your friends tend to abandon you if you do it around them, especially in public.
17th May '11 12:08:26 AM SpellBlade
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None of that has anything to do with the trope.
* Am I the only one who thinks it's hypocritical that when the wank is about fan fiction involving underage ''male'' participants, their reaction is "Oh, it's just fiction.", but in both ''KodomoNoJikan'' wanks, they're all "PEOPLE DEFENDING THIS ARE SICK PEDOS!"? ** One might question how hypocritical it is if one involves a third grader, and the other involves teenagers. *** It's still just fiction. Call it a rare moment of cynicism on my part, but I think the difference is more along the lines of "One involves precious little angels who shouldn't be saying such things and the other involves TEH HAWT BISHIES". *** There are jurisdictions in which teenagers are above the age of consent. There is ''no'' jurisdiction where third-graders are. Of ''course'' there's going to be a different reaction to the two cases. *** It's just fiction, yes, but one gives off pedo vibes and the other doesn't. Also, why the emphasis on fiction about males? Fandom Wank does love the lesbians, too, you know. *** Your points are taken, but it's pretty obvious that FW is too {{squick}}ed by the premise [[ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontWatch to actually read the damn thing]]. Which is a shame, because it's made pretty damn clear later in the manga that it '''[[http://crazymanga.be/reader/show/833/0/2 does not]]''' [[http://crazymanga.be/reader/show/833/0/3 support pedophilia]]. And yes, it does in fact make a difference that a woman wrote it, because I highly doubt a perverted elderly male pedophile (who people often assume the series is created by) would know what a being young girl is actually like. No one is sure what goes on in Kaworu Watashiya's head, but it damn well isn't "Raping children is good". **** Being one of those squicked members of FW, I have to point out that what seems to be most disturbing for most people are the parts where the ''nine year old girls'' are talking about hypothetically having sex with men and how "tight" they are (with some men in the background getting aroused). And yes, we ''have'' seen the actual manga pages where the events occur, with translations; they get linked whenever the manga gets brought up. ***** And yet if it were nine year old boys talking about the size of their penises, it would be a cult hit in America (particularly among the frat boy crowd, no doubt telling their friends "Hells yeah I wanted to bone my teacher too!"). Don't tell me there isn't a DoubleStandard at work here. If Stewie Griffin from ''FamilyGuy'' were a girl, even with the adult IQ ([[PingPongNaivete most of the time anyway]]) do you think they'd get away with stuff like Stewie taunting Brian by asking if he like licking Stewie's "doo-doos"... and then saying "don't forget the taint". Yeah, I don't think that would go down well. And I know many of you got pissed off when people compared KnJ to ''ShinChan'', but if ''Shin Chan'' were about a 5-year-old girl who hits on adult men and does whatever the hell the female equivalent is of "the elephant dance", you'd all cry pedo. ****** 1. Fandom Wank =/= America, American TV-watching audience, or American frat boys, so the "cult hit" argument is out of place. 2. Boys comparing penis length =/= girls comparing vagina tightness as with the girls, the emphasis was more on pleasing men, while with the boys, pleasing their girlfriends is brought up much less often (which is a DoubleStandard, but it has more to do with ingrained societal standards). 3. FW =/= actually a Hive Vagina, despite the jokes, and is a ''very large'' group; ''most'' have probably never heard of ''ShinChan'' or watched it, so saying that ''many'' take offense to KnJ being compared to it is quite the exaggeration. And what of people who dislike ''both'' series? Are they no longer part of the oh-so-hypocritical Fandom Wank? Or the many who would object to an equivalent male counterpart to KnJ, but unlike KnJ, have yet to be presented with such? ******* Admittedly, this troper isn't familar with the series, however, she thought to still put in her two cents worth. Just to clarify, in Japan, the legal age of consent is 13 years old (although since I'm not living in Japan, if that law has changed forgive me for the mistake). So the case of it being unacceptable for people do think of the same of "underaged" teenagers falls flat as their concept of underage is much lower than our own. However, in concern to the series, where there's mention of the characters being much younger, is there any actual sexual activities being committed to or by these underaged characters? If there is, I can see where the problem is, but if it's only about characters talking about it, then the only issue would be the readers' opinions. So the main character has a crush on her teacher - which is normal there are girls who do get crushes on older males, even if they're underaged. Okay, it says that she's quite forward with her affection but it is fiction; if she weren't forward and just being reserved of her feelings where exactly would most of the plot of the series come from? Unless the teacher actually returns her feelings, I don't see how it's at all illegal for a girl to have a crush on an older male. It's not as though a third grader would understand that as the act is illegal and unacceptable in society that means she has to give up any hope for this one-sided affection. It may be exaggerated, but isn't fiction always like that? Try and think of a series where for the entirity of it, there was no exaggeration and characters behaved as anyone would in real life. May be possible with live-action (because the actors are limited in what they can do) but it's almost impossible for anime and manga, since the creator can literately make them do ''anything''. Yes, you as a reader will have a standard, and to you this will feel unacceptable, but as long as the character in question isn't doing anything explicibly illegal that wouldn't qualify it to be paedophilia, now would it? Thoughts and comments amoung friends don't count as being sexually active enough to be included. ******** Just to clarify, 13 is only the nationally enforced age. In the case of more local laws, the age of consent tends to be higher, so yeah. ** I'd argue that whether either or neither are disgusting depends on whether either or neither was clearly written with AuthorAppeal in mind. Even if a writer attempts to portray in a semi-straightforward manner something that arouses them personally, indulging their fetishes overmuch renders them incapable of being objective, and objectivity is very important when writing about a trait that is considered disgusting by the society in which the book was written. To give an example of what I'm talking about, I would call ''The Changewinds'' a repulsive series not because JackChalker is promoting prostitution, but because Chalker is so clearly into the concept of women selling themselves that he can't look at the matter head-on. The same applies for stories about pedophilia if and only if they're written by pedophiles for pedophiles.
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