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!!Fable I



* Isn't scythe older than the guildmaster?
** Yes.
*** Then why, when I'm going after the "Oldest soul", are the options "Guildmaster" or "Nostro"? Scythe is the elder of the three.
*** Likely because Scythe could obliterate your head with a stern glare. You settle for souls you actually have a chance of taking. That, or (if he is William Black) he already fed his soul to the Sword of Aeons and you can't even take it from him.
*** Don't remember where but it's implied that the reason Scythe is immortal is because he has no soul, and thus can't die... Immortality by Default. (Is that a trope yet? it should be.)
* So, Brom[[note]]The father of Theresa and the Hero of Oakvale in Fable 1[[/note]]. Shanked by Jack in Oakvale, buried Lychfield Graveyard which is relatively on the opposite side of the continent. Was Jack just being a complete dick and dragged his body all the way to Bargate to torment Scarlet Robe every step of the way, or did nobody just tell the funeral procession when they should stop? Personally, I'm guessing dickishness, but it's still an odd distance to go to bury a man to me.
** I like to think that Brom once pissed off Jack of Blades somehow at that spot, so by shanking Brom and burying him at that spot is a mixture of WhosLaughingNow and TakeThat.
* In the first game, when you go to meet your mother in Maze's quarters, just before she gets captured again, she says there's something not right. What is she talking about? My guess is that the book for disabling the barrier had a spell on it to summon the minions, but can anyone confirm this either way?
** She probably just had a bad feeling about the situation, seeing as it's implied that Maze sold her out to Jack.
* In ''The Lost Chapters'', I played a 100% good guy who always took the good path. Why then does Thunder accuse me of "taking everyone from him" when you have to choose whether to take his soul or the soul in the arena? I didn't do ''shit'' to him. I spared his sister, and I know the game registered her as alive because the stone head guy in LC's main town told me what she did after the fight in the arena, so I doubt it was a bug. Or is he still pissed off that I exposed Lady Grey?
** No matter what path you take Thunder will still hold a grudge against you, presumably out of jealously. He also seems to genuinely love Lady Grey, so exposing her doesn't win you any favor.

!!Fable II



*** Perhaps Phoenix Wright is the only lawyer in Albion.

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*** Perhaps Phoenix Wright VideoGame/PhoenixWright is the only lawyer in Albion.



* Keep in mind that while they were both heroes, their blood wasn't awakened yet, your's doesn't until you complete the tutorial dungeon, right? So most likely Rose's only heroes can kill heroes ability hadn't kicked in yet, and her death let her cast a shield spell on you which caused you to get blasted out of the window, Theresa then used her ''very'' strong will powers to save your life.

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* ** Keep in mind that while they were both heroes, their blood wasn't awakened yet, your's doesn't until you complete the tutorial dungeon, right? So most likely Rose's only heroes can kill heroes ability hadn't kicked in yet, and her death let her cast a shield spell on you which caused you to get blasted out of the window, Theresa then used her ''very'' strong will powers to save your life.






* You know what bugs me? It has always bugged me for the longest time and I still can't think of any reason for it to not bug me. How do those barbers make my hair GROW!? In fact, how do the tattoo artists make my tattoos disappear? This isn't the 21st century! We don't have magical tattoo removers yet!
** [[AWizardDidIt A Will user did it?]]
** Considering that being a Hero also entails possible immortality, possible invincibility, the ability to steal the experience of people and creatures you kill plus all the other stuff they can do, I'm pretty sure their biology is not the same as ours.
** The bard in Fable 2 actually mentions it when introducing you to the stylist's shop in Bowerstone. They do indeed have the ability to magically grow hair, which is why they can even give females facial hair.
* One thing that bugs me from both games (and any other good/evil choice game for that matter) is that of the storyline. Why is it that even if I'm playing ass the most evil, degenerate, vile being possible then I still am happy to take a monk into a cave and protect her? The storyline quests rarely have a multiple choice regarding morality other than the largest decisions; lets face it, how often do they come up?
** Ultimately the main reason for this is simple econonomics. If the developer was to give good and evil choices for every quest, then it stands to reason that most players would never see all the outcomes. Hard to justify something like that to the person holding the purse strings. There are other complications too, if each decision has to have proper consequence then the game needs to have either a massive amount of branching (see the Way of the Samurai games, which do just that. And each playthrough lasts about 30 minutes as a result), or you have to meticulously plot out a 'string of sausages' approach (Deus Ex does this, it basically means within each bit of the story you can do what you like, but all choices eventually narrow down to the same result, which then branches out again).
** If you want a plot-related reason I'd say it comes down to the ends and the means justifying them. Your character wants revenge on Lucien, be it for noble or selfish reasons. While a despicably amoral character would be perfectly content caking the linear path to Lucien and the spire with blood, innocent and otherwise, that's not always a feasible option. Theresa makes it clear that the only way you can defeat Lucien is by gathering the three heroes, the aforementioned monk being one of them. I'd assume the hero is smart enough to make a seemingly altruistic gesture in return for promise of vengeance.



* Why would [[spoiler: Theresa]] actually be evil?
** She's not evil, just selfish. There's something that she wants ([[spoiler:the power of the Spire, which would increase her precognition abilities to godlike-levels]]) and she has few scruples about how she goes about getting it.
** Two possibilities. One, she's [[spoiler: the Jack of Blades, making a comeback]]. Two, [[spoiler:Theresa manipulated Lucien, the New Hero and everyone else to prevent something further. Hell, obtaining the Spire could only be a fifth of her way into the plan.]]
*** First explanation is if not impossible, at least very, very unlikely. [[spoiler: WordOfGod is that Jack of Blades really is gone for good after the canonical ending of The Lost Chapters.]]
** She was always a very AntiHero character, actually. In the original game [[spoiler: she was raised by bandits and pretty much killed her way to the top to become the Bandit King's right hand henchwoman.]] She never really does anything Heroic and most of her acts in the first game were more BecauseDestinySaysSo than any desire to help people.











* Isn't scythe older than the guildmaster?
** Yes.
*** Then why, when I'm going after the "Oldest soul", are the options "Guildmaster" or "Nostro"? Scythe is the elder of the three.
*** Likely because Scythe could obliterate your head with a stern glare. You settle for souls you actually have a chance of taking. That, or (if he is William Black) he already fed his soul to the Sword of Aeons and you can't even take it from him.
*** Don't remember where but it's implied that the reason Scythe is immortal is because he has no soul, and thus can't die... Immortality by Default. (Is that a trope yet? it should be.)
* What is up with that music box? Who made it? Where did Theresa get it? Why did she want you to buy it from Murgo? Is it a JackassGenie that actually granted your wish, or was that disaster all just a coincidence? Why and where did it disappear too? Where and how do you find it again from decades later? Why did the developers think it was a good idea to resolve the game with a lame deus ex machina instead of an awesome boss fight? What does the music box ''do'', besides maybe, possibly twist wishes and suck up AGodAmI levels of magic like a hax magic vacuum cleaner? What happened to all that magical power it sucked up, and where did it go again afterwards? Why does your character take the music box for granted and never explain or question it? Seriously, that damn music box is really bugging me guys!
** The music box is The Relic, mentioned on the Fate Card Theresa gives you, which states it was created as a counter measure against the Spire. It was made by the people of the Old Kingdom. Theresa seems interested in Old Kingdom stuff, so she probably found it while studying some ruins or the Spire or whatever. She wanted you to buy it so that it could react to you and tip off Lucien that there were HEROES! in his town. I don't think it grants wishes at all, so coincidence. It disappeared because you tried to use it for something it wasn't meant for, and went somewhere where people who weren't suppose to use it could not get at it, probably a pocket dimension or something. The ritual Theresa had you do let you summon it, as it was suppose to wait for someone with the strength to use it. They decided against a Boss fight for unknown reasons. It is a weapon to use against the Spire, and probably nothing else. The magic probably went into the wish you made, and the music box went back into its pocket dimension because it wasn't needed anymore. Your character never questions it or anything for the same reason your character never questions anything else, they are too busy brooding over their DarkAndTroubledPast.
* I may just had some FridgeBrilliance. What if Fable II was a story Theresa was telling to...someone about how she [[spoiler: Got the spite from Lucien.]] I mean, start a new game and she'll say "And so our story begins...who is the hero of our tale?". Get your character married/become a parent and Theresa will narrate those. It makes total sense...except where does that leave Fable I? Is the whole series her story?
** If the series is just a a story told, then that means the Guildmaster/the portraits in Fable I tells the Hero of Oakvale's story, Theresa just told the stories of Fable II and III. Makes more sense, too, that Theresa would let who she's telling the story to would get to pick their gender - the Guildmaster might just go "Well this is how it is."
*** Thus making it a Fable! I think this is my new Headcanon!






* What's going on with the architecture in Albion? Specifically, the houses with a second story that can ''only'' be accessed from the outside. Is that kind of architecture common in Europe or something?
** Its sort of an apartment set up.
** But it's all one residence, not two separate apartments. Even ''houses'' in the village of Brightwall are set up like that.
*** Yep--and the beds are ''always'' on that top half-floor. I find it incredibly irritating. I still find it irritating that you can't shut your doors to keep out nosy neighbors who are in love with you. Also that certain decorations like pictures can't be accessed without having Jasper redecorate the room--I want my Theresa portrait back!
*** I find it particularly disconcerting that you can't shut the door to keep out ''your children'' while getting busy. And that said children's talking ''mingles with the sexy noises.'' "Oh! Oh! Do it again! MUMMY!! I WANT A TOY MUMMY!!!" (Also, on the subject of paintings, Jasper kindly put a giant honking portrait of ''Captain Saker'' in my nursery. Brilliant, Jasper. Just... brilliant.)

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\n\n\n* What's going on with In Fable 2, can Rose actually be revived? If she can, how come Lucien wasn't able to wish his own family back? Was the architecture in Albion? Specifically, window of time for the houses with Spire being usable just a second story that can ''only'' be accessed from the outside. Is that kind of architecture common in Europe or something?
** Its sort of an apartment set up.
** But it's all one residence, not two separate apartments. Even ''houses'' in the village of Brightwall are set up like that.
*** Yep--and the beds are ''always'' on that top half-floor. I find it
few seconds after he died due to incredibly irritating. I still find it irritating that you can't shut your doors to keep out nosy neighbors shit luck on his part? If she's been dead too long, why is every single person who are in love with you. Also that certain decorations like pictures can't be accessed without having Jasper redecorate the room--I want my Theresa portrait back!
*** I find it particularly disconcerting that you can't shut the door to keep out ''your children'' while getting busy. And that said children's talking ''mingles with the sexy noises.'' "Oh! Oh! Do it again! MUMMY!! I WANT A TOY MUMMY!!!" (Also,
ever worked on the subject spire still fair game to bring back? Furthermore, the dog and the hero's family all reappear where they last were (the family at home, the dog by the hero's side.) Unless she was indeed impossible to bring back and sent the letter from the afterlife, Rose appears somewhere far away and inaccessible instead of paintings, Jasper kindly put a giant honking portrait of ''Captain Saker'' anywhere remotely near Bowerstone or the last person she was with, the hero.
* Why does stopping Lucien
in my nursery. Brilliant, Jasper. Just... brilliant.)Fable 2 net you no renown?

!!Fable III















* Wraithmarsh was once Oakvale? Yeah, I could believe that... Except for one problem. Wraithmarsh is either on an island or a coast that one could only use to access. Oakvale... wasn't.
** Oakvale was pretty out-of-the-way in the first game - you had to walk through two entire forests to get there from Bowerstone. In Fable 2 there's Wraithmarsh after all of that, and without Oakvale there are no traders coming though, so the roads haven't been maintained. It's not hard to imagine why they'd consider that impassible.







* How is Theresa even alive in ''Fable II'' and onward? A book in ''Fable II'' establishes that the canon ending for the original game, pre ''Lost Chapters'' is the hero killing her for power.
** This is covered in the {{Wild Mass Guessing}}s. The Chamber of Fate establishes as canon that your hero did not kill her (a more reliable source then a book talking about legend and hearsay) and Fable had an identical sword you didn't have to kill anyone for.
** Also, the games mention in loading screens that immortals exist, usually in unique loading screens at times when Theresa is there/is about to show up.

* So, Brom[[note]]The father of Theresa and the Hero of Oakvale in Fable 1[[/note]]. Shanked by Jack in Oakvale, buried Lychfield Graveyard which is relatively on the opposite side of the continent. Was Jack just being a complete dick and dragged his body all the way to Bargate to torment Scarlet Robe every step of the way, or did nobody just tell the funeral procession when they should stop? Personally, I'm guessing dickishness, but it's still an odd distance to go to bury a man to me.
** I like to think that Brom once pissed off Jack of Blades somehow at that spot, so by shanking Brom and burying him at that spot is a mixture of WhosLaughingNow and TakeThat.

* Where the heck did this apparently old monarchy spring from? Basically we have your parent and then your brother, and that's it. Why is everyone in game acting like it is some long established traditional thing. Heck even the architecture of the castle does not make sense, we see portraits and statues of apparently old monarchs, where did they come from, where did they rule? I also don't remember Fable 1 or 2 having any real central government for mom/dad to take over. Did Teresa use miracle grow or something, maybe a chia-government or something involving sea-monkeys?
** There wasn't a monarchy, but there were aristocrats around Fairfax Castle and other important citizens, presumably. And "Lord" Lucien, which seemed to imply there was some sort of system in place. Money and power would have often passed onto children often, and without a central government, that's who would have. leadership. That's the portraits though. As for why the people act so enthused, perhaps that's just the remaining goodwill from Dear Old Dad.
*** Are we SURE there was no monarchy, or just that it was never relevant to the story we were being told? (Not that that excuses there being an entire system of government never mentioned or referred to in game, but it's plausible in-universe.)



* Why is the Guild Seal suddenly HUGE in Fable 3?
** I'm pretty sure it was that big in 2. It's the same size as Reaver's seal which is bigger than your head. The better question is where the hell are you putting it?
* In the first game, when you go to meet your mother in Maze's quarters, just before she gets captured again, she says there's something not right. What is she talking about? My guess is that the book for disabling the barrier had a spell on it to summon the minions, but can anyone confirm this either way?
** She probably just had a bad feeling about the situation, seeing as it's implied that Maze sold her out to Jack.
* If every graveyard, nay, ''every grave'' in Albion is a virtual zombie apocalypse waiting to happen, why do the people of Albion still insist on burying their dead? Seriously, the ubiquitous graveyards in the series are among the most dangerous places you can find, with a seemingly inexhaustible army of the undead rising to accost every passerby that dares venture to them. Shouldn't cremation be more widely practiced to curtail this problem by now? What's more, the people of Albion seem to have no self-awareness of the danger, Major Swift even burying his fallen soldiers [[TooDumbToLive within his own fort]], in the middle of a [[TooDumbToLive haunted cemetery]]! He then acts [[GenreBlind surprised]] when they come back as undead!



* In Fable 2, can Rose actually be revived? If she can, how come Lucien wasn't able to wish his own family back? Was the window of time for the Spire being usable just a few seconds after he died due to incredibly shit luck on his part? If she's been dead too long, why is every single person who ever worked on the spire still fair game to bring back? Furthermore, the dog and the hero's family all reappear where they last were (the family at home, the dog by the hero's side.) Unless she was indeed impossible to bring back and sent the letter from the afterlife, Rose appears somewhere far away and inaccessible instead of anywhere remotely near Bowerstone or the last person she was with, the hero.
* Why does stopping Lucien in Fable 2 net you no renown?
* In ''The Lost Chapters'', I played a 100% good guy who always took the good path. Why then does Thunder accuse me of "taking everyone from him" when you have to choose whether to take his soul or the soul in the arena? I didn't do ''shit'' to him. I spared his sister, and I know the game registered her as alive because the stone head guy in LC's main town told me what she did after the fight in the arena, so I doubt it was a bug. Or is he still pissed off that I exposed Lady Grey?
** No matter what path you take Thunder will still hold a grudge against you, presumably out of jealously. He also seems to genuinely love Lady Grey, so exposing her doesn't win you any favor.
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!!General
Fable 2, Series

* You know what bugs me? It has always bugged me for the longest time and I still can't think of any reason for it to not bug me. How do those barbers make my hair GROW!? In fact, how do the tattoo artists make my tattoos disappear? This isn't the 21st century! We don't have magical tattoo removers yet!
** [[AWizardDidIt A Will user did it?]]
** Considering that being a Hero also entails possible immortality, possible invincibility, the ability to steal the experience of people and creatures you kill plus all the other stuff they
can Rose do, I'm pretty sure their biology is not the same as ours.
** The bard in Fable 2 actually mentions it when introducing you to the stylist's shop in Bowerstone. They do indeed have the ability to magically grow hair, which is why they can even give females facial hair.
* One thing that bugs me from both games (and any other good/evil choice game for that matter) is that of the storyline. Why is it that even if I'm playing ass the most evil, degenerate, vile being possible then I still am happy to take a monk into a cave and protect her? The storyline quests rarely have a multiple choice regarding morality other than the largest decisions; lets face it, how often do they come up?
** Ultimately the main reason for this is simple econonomics. If the developer was to give good and evil choices for every quest, then it stands to reason that most players would never see all the outcomes. Hard to justify something like that to the person holding the purse strings. There are other complications too, if each decision has to have proper consequence then the game needs to have either a massive amount of branching (see the Way of the Samurai games, which do just that. And each playthrough lasts about 30 minutes as a result), or you have to meticulously plot out a 'string of sausages' approach (Deus Ex does this, it basically means within each bit of the story you can do what you like, but all choices eventually narrow down to the same result, which then branches out again).
** If you want a plot-related reason I'd say it comes down to the ends and the means justifying them. Your character wants revenge on Lucien, be it for noble or selfish reasons. While a despicably amoral character would be perfectly content caking the linear path to Lucien and the spire with blood, innocent and otherwise, that's not always a feasible option. Theresa makes it clear that the only way you can defeat Lucien is by gathering the three heroes, the aforementioned monk being one of them. I'd assume the hero is smart enough to make a seemingly altruistic gesture in return for promise of vengeance.
* Why would [[spoiler: Theresa]]
actually be revived? If evil?
** She's not evil, just selfish. There's something that
she can, wants ([[spoiler:the power of the Spire, which would increase her precognition abilities to godlike-levels]]) and she has few scruples about how come she goes about getting it.
** Two possibilities. One, she's [[spoiler: the Jack of Blades, making a comeback]]. Two, [[spoiler:Theresa manipulated Lucien, the New Hero and everyone else to prevent something further. Hell, obtaining the Spire could only be a fifth of her way into the plan.]]
*** First explanation is if not impossible, at least very, very unlikely. [[spoiler: WordOfGod is that Jack of Blades really is gone for good after the canonical ending of The Lost Chapters.]]
** She was always a very AntiHero character, actually. In the original game [[spoiler: she was raised by bandits and pretty much killed her way to the top to become the Bandit King's right hand henchwoman.]] She never really does anything Heroic and most of her acts in the first game were more BecauseDestinySaysSo than any desire to help people.
* What is up with that music box? Who made it? Where did Theresa get it? Why did she want you to buy it from Murgo? Is it a JackassGenie that actually granted your wish, or was that disaster all just a coincidence? Why and where did it disappear too? Where and how do you find it again from decades later? Why did the developers think it was a good idea to resolve the game with a lame deus ex machina instead of an awesome boss fight? What does the music box ''do'', besides maybe, possibly twist wishes and suck up AGodAmI levels of magic like a hax magic vacuum cleaner? What happened to all that magical power it sucked up, and where did it go again afterwards? Why does your character take the music box for granted and never explain or question it? Seriously, that damn music box is really bugging me guys!
** The music box is The Relic, mentioned on the Fate Card Theresa gives you, which states it was created as a counter measure against the Spire. It was made by the people of the Old Kingdom. Theresa seems interested in Old Kingdom stuff, so she probably found it while studying some ruins or the Spire or whatever. She wanted you to buy it so that it could react to you and tip off
Lucien that there were HEROES! in his town. I don't think it grants wishes at all, so coincidence. It disappeared because you tried to use it for something it wasn't able meant for, and went somewhere where people who weren't suppose to use it could not get at it, probably a pocket dimension or something. The ritual Theresa had you do let you summon it, as it was suppose to wait for someone with the strength to use it. They decided against a Boss fight for unknown reasons. It is a weapon to use against the Spire, and probably nothing else. The magic probably went into the wish his own family back? Was you made, and the window of time music box went back into its pocket dimension because it wasn't needed anymore. Your character never questions it or anything for the Spire being usable same reason your character never questions anything else, they are too busy brooding over their DarkAndTroubledPast.
* I may just had some FridgeBrilliance. What if Fable II was a story Theresa was telling to...someone about how she [[spoiler: Got the spite from Lucien.]] I mean, start a new game and she'll say "And so our story begins...who is the hero of our tale?". Get your character married/become a parent and Theresa will narrate those. It makes total sense...except where does that leave Fable I? Is the whole series her story?
** If the series is
just a few seconds after he died due a story told, then that means the Guildmaster/the portraits in Fable I tells the Hero of Oakvale's story, Theresa just told the stories of Fable II and III. Makes more sense, too, that Theresa would let who she's telling the story to would get to pick their gender - the Guildmaster might just go "Well this is how it is."
*** Thus making it a Fable! I think this is my new Headcanon!
* What's going on with the architecture in Albion? Specifically, the houses with a second story that can ''only'' be accessed from the outside. Is that kind of architecture common in Europe or something?
** Its sort of an apartment set up.
** But it's all one residence, not two separate apartments. Even ''houses'' in the village of Brightwall are set up like that.
*** Yep--and the beds are ''always'' on that top half-floor. I find it
incredibly shit luck on his part? If she's been dead too long, why is every single person irritating. I still find it irritating that you can't shut your doors to keep out nosy neighbors who ever worked are in love with you. Also that certain decorations like pictures can't be accessed without having Jasper redecorate the room--I want my Theresa portrait back!
*** I find it particularly disconcerting that you can't shut the door to keep out ''your children'' while getting busy. And that said children's talking ''mingles with the sexy noises.'' "Oh! Oh! Do it again! MUMMY!! I WANT A TOY MUMMY!!!" (Also,
on the spire still fair subject of paintings, Jasper kindly put a giant honking portrait of ''Captain Saker'' in my nursery. Brilliant, Jasper. Just... brilliant.)
* Wraithmarsh was once Oakvale? Yeah, I could believe that... Except for one problem. Wraithmarsh is either on an island or a coast that one could only use to access. Oakvale... wasn't.
** Oakvale was pretty out-of-the-way in the first
game - you had to bring back? Furthermore, the dog and the hero's family all reappear where they last were (the family at home, the dog by the hero's side.) Unless she was indeed impossible walk through two entire forests to bring back and sent the letter get there from the afterlife, Rose appears somewhere far away and inaccessible instead of anywhere remotely near Bowerstone or the last person she was with, the hero.
* Why does stopping Lucien in
Bowerstone. In Fable 2 net you there's Wraithmarsh after all of that, and without Oakvale there are no renown?
* In ''The Lost Chapters'', I played a 100% good guy who always took
traders coming though, so the good path. Why then does Thunder accuse me of "taking everyone from him" when you have roads haven't been maintained. It's not hard to choose whether to take his soul or imagine why they'd consider that impassible.
* How is Theresa even alive in ''Fable II'' and onward? A book in ''Fable II'' establishes that
the soul canon ending for the original game, pre ''Lost Chapters'' is the hero killing her for power.
** This is covered
in the arena? I {{Wild Mass Guessing}}s. The Chamber of Fate establishes as canon that your hero did not kill her (a more reliable source then a book talking about legend and hearsay) and Fable had an identical sword you didn't do ''shit'' have to him. I spared his sister, kill anyone for.
** Also, the games mention in loading screens that immortals exist, usually in unique loading screens at times when Theresa is there/is about to show up.
* Where the heck did this apparently old monarchy spring from? Basically we have your parent
and I know the then your brother, and that's it. Why is everyone in game registered her as alive because acting like it is some long established traditional thing. Heck even the stone head guy in LC's main town told me what she architecture of the castle does not make sense, we see portraits and statues of apparently old monarchs, where did after they come from, where did they rule? I also don't remember Fable 1 or 2 having any real central government for mom/dad to take over. Did Teresa use miracle grow or something, maybe a chia-government or something involving sea-monkeys?
** There wasn't a monarchy, but there were aristocrats around Fairfax Castle and other important citizens, presumably. And "Lord" Lucien, which seemed to imply there was some sort of system in place. Money and power would have often passed onto children often, and without a central government, that's who would have. leadership. That's
the fight portraits though. As for why the people act so enthused, perhaps that's just the remaining goodwill from Dear Old Dad.
*** Are we SURE there was no monarchy, or just that it was never relevant to the story we were being told? (Not that that excuses there being an entire system of government never mentioned or referred to in game, but it's plausible in-universe.)
* Why is the Guild Seal suddenly HUGE in Fable 3?
** I'm pretty sure it was that big in 2. It's the same size as Reaver's seal which is bigger than your head. The better question is where the hell are you putting it?
* If every graveyard, nay, ''every grave'' in Albion is a virtual zombie apocalypse waiting to happen, why do the people of Albion still insist on burying their dead? Seriously, the ubiquitous graveyards
in the arena, so I doubt it was series are among the most dangerous places you can find, with a bug. Or is he still pissed off seemingly inexhaustible army of the undead rising to accost every passerby that I exposed Lady Grey?
** No matter what path you take Thunder will still hold a grudge against you, presumably out
dares venture to them. Shouldn't cremation be more widely practiced to curtail this problem by now? What's more, the people of jealously. Albion seem to have no self-awareness of the danger, Major Swift even burying his fallen soldiers [[TooDumbToLive within his own fort]], in the middle of a [[TooDumbToLive haunted cemetery]]! He also seems to genuinely love Lady Grey, so exposing her doesn't win you any favor.
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then acts [[GenreBlind surprised]] when they come back as undead!
3rd Oct '16 7:36:44 AM Aruu
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* Keep in mind that while they were both heroes, their blood wasn't awakened yet, your's doesnt until you complete the tutorial dungeon, right? So most likely Rose's only heroes can kill heroes ability hadn't kicked inyet, and her death let her cast a shield spell on you which caused you to get blasted out of the window, Theresa then used her ''very'' strong will powers to save your life.

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* Keep in mind that while they were both heroes, their blood wasn't awakened yet, your's doesnt doesn't until you complete the tutorial dungeon, right? So most likely Rose's only heroes can kill heroes ability hadn't kicked inyet, in yet, and her death let her cast a shield spell on you which caused you to get blasted out of the window, Theresa then used her ''very'' strong will powers to save your life.
18th Sep '16 5:08:58 AM TheConductor
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**It gets the Dark Sanctum on your side though.
13th Jul '16 9:47:36 PM Titus88
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** No matter what path you take Thunder will still hold a grudge against you, presumably out of jealously. He also seems to genuinely love Lady Grey, so exposing her doesn't win you any favor.
25th May '16 1:59:41 PM SomeNewGuy
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* In ''The Lost Chapters'', I played a 100% good guy who always took the good path. Why then does Thunder accuse me of "taking everyone from him" when you have to choose whether to take his soul or the soul in the arena? I didn't do ''shit'' to him. I spared his sister, and I know the game registered her as alive because the stone head guy in LC's main town told me what she did after the fight in the arena, so I doubt it was a bug. Or is he still pissed off that I exposed Lady Grey?
19th Jan '16 9:29:44 PM SunsetStudios
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* Keep in mind that while they were both heroes, their blood wasn't awakened yet, your's doesnt until you complete the tutorial dungeon, right? So most likely Rose's only heroes can kill heroes ability hadn't kicked inyet, and her death let her cast a shield spell on you which caused you to get blasted out of the window, Theresa then used her ''very'' strong will powers to save your life.
19th Jan '16 9:26:11 PM SunsetStudios
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**** Names are by definition, ''words'' we use to identify people, your argument is invalid.-Not OP
13th Oct '15 9:07:54 PM lapiswolf
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* Why does stopping Lucien in Fable 2 net you no renown?
13th Oct '15 8:44:30 PM lapiswolf
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* In Fable 2, can Rose actually be revived? If she can, how come Lucien wasn't able to wish his own family back? Was the window of time for the Spire being usable just a few seconds after he died due to incredibly shit luck on his part? If she's been dead too long, why is every single person who ever worked on the spire still fair game to bring back? Furthermore, the dog and the hero's family all reappear where they last were (the family at home, the dog by the hero's side.) Unless she was indeed impossible to bring back and sent the letter from the afterlife, Rose appears somewhere far away and inaccessible instead of anywhere remotely near Bowerstone or the last person she was with, the hero.
26th Sep '15 8:15:38 PM Pigeonesque
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** I always just figured Sparrow threw him/herself at the window, given a choice between 'almost certainly lethal fall' and 'definitely certainly lethal point-blank gunshot'.



****On the other hand, even if he doesn't realize it's Sparrow, I did wonder why he didn't question the glowing Will lines, if he's that set on killing any Heroes who aren't one of the three he's after.




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*** This troper thinks Reaver actually makes some surprisingly un-evil points, albeit likely unintentionally. Like if you put off making a decision, at some point Reaver will say something about it being good for the health of the city, or something to that effect. Build a brothel, legalize prostitution within that environment (if it isn't already legal), and many people who study this sort of thing argue that you're making prostitution safer for both the sex workers and the people hiring them, especially if you have guards or bouncers or something and mandatory STD testing and condom use.
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