History Headscratchers / EternalDarkness

1st Jan '16 10:36:51 PM IndirectActiveTransport
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** It likely returns the same way everyone else enters, spontaneously.

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** It likely returns the same way everyone else enters, spontaneously.enters.
1st Jan '16 10:36:34 PM IndirectActiveTransport
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* How does the tome return back to the hall of Eternal Darkness? and more to the question what do Lindsey Peter and Michael do with it after their chapters? For the Roivas's it always seems to have been in the mansion, either there are multiple copies of the tome or it contains some of Mantoroks sentience.

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* How does the tome return back to the hall of Eternal Darkness? and more to the question what do Lindsey Peter and Michael do with it after their chapters? For the Roivas's it always seems to have been in the mansion, either there are multiple copies of the tome or it contains some of Mantoroks sentience.sentience.
** It likely returns the same way everyone else enters, spontaneously.
30th Nov '15 5:58:51 AM JonicOokami7
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** Assuming it isn't just a minor continuity error, it could have been the lead-in of actually getting context for Max's warning through the first four chapters, topping off with "oh, my, my ancestor has a whole grisly chapter in this book, too?"

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** Assuming it isn't just a minor continuity error, it could have been the lead-in of actually getting context for Max's warning through the first four chapters, topping off with "oh, my, my ancestor has a whole grisly chapter in this book, too?"too?"

* How does the tome return back to the hall of Eternal Darkness? and more to the question what do Lindsey Peter and Michael do with it after their chapters? For the Roivas's it always seems to have been in the mansion, either there are multiple copies of the tome or it contains some of Mantoroks sentience.
7th Aug '15 11:45:15 PM Arruruerie
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* At the beginning of Maximilian's chapter, Edward says "I will not argue that I was shocked by the sudden mention of one of my ancestors, the distinguished Maximilian Roivas. It chilled me to my bones. Where had this ancient book come from? How had my ancestor stumbled upon it?" But Edward had already encountered Maximilian's ghost by the time he even knew that the Tome existed, and while the ghost hadn't said anything about the Tome itself, he did warn Edward about the Guardians and tell him how to open the chamber where the Tome was hidden. So why was Edward shocked to learn that Maximilian had also taken up the Tome?

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* At the beginning of Maximilian's chapter, Edward says "I will not argue that I was shocked by the sudden mention of one of my ancestors, the distinguished Maximilian Roivas. It chilled me to my bones. Where had this ancient book come from? How had my ancestor stumbled upon it?" But Edward had already encountered Maximilian's ghost by the time he even knew that the Tome existed, and while the ghost hadn't said anything about the Tome itself, he did warn Edward about the Guardians and tell him how to open the chamber where the Tome was hidden. So why was Edward shocked to learn that Maximilian had also taken up the Tome?Tome?
** Assuming it isn't just a minor continuity error, it could have been the lead-in of actually getting context for Max's warning through the first four chapters, topping off with "oh, my, my ancestor has a whole grisly chapter in this book, too?"
6th Aug '15 6:11:17 PM Anorgil
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*** It's also worth noting that FairForItsDay applies, even without trying to figure out the metaphysics that would get caused by the Ancients' involvements. No Post-Roman FeudalOverlord lived very long if they tried to follow the Geneva Conventions (which didn't even exist at the time) or always turned the other cheek, and a lot of the people he fought were trying to do the exact same thing in just as bad or worse ways and means. The [[HornyVikings Vikings]] in particular qualified as AssholeVictim material to most of (Western) Europe since they were more or less mass-murdering terrorist pirates with a religious motive to do things like human sacrifice as well as the more straightforward [[MoneyDearBoy motives.]] What makes Charlemagne notable was not only his success, but the fact that by all accounts, [[CrapsackWorld for the world he lived in]], he was not only very successful and fare-sighted but a pretty decent person for someone in his position. That wasn't all the Vikings were and doesn't excuse everything Charlemagne did, but he was one of the relatively few people who actually sought to create something better than TheLowMiddleAges and our ability to critique him probably shows he succeeded.

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*** It's also worth noting that FairForItsDay applies, even without trying to figure out the metaphysics that would get caused by the Ancients' involvements. No Post-Roman FeudalOverlord lived very long if they tried to follow the Geneva Conventions (which didn't even exist at the time) or always turned the other cheek, and a lot of the people he fought were trying to do the exact same thing in just as bad or worse ways and means. The [[HornyVikings Vikings]] in particular qualified as AssholeVictim material to most of (Western) Europe since they were more or less mass-murdering terrorist pirates with a religious motive to do things like human sacrifice as well as the more straightforward [[MoneyDearBoy motives.]] What makes Charlemagne notable was not only his success, but the fact that by all accounts, [[CrapsackWorld for the world he lived in]], he was not only very successful and fare-sighted but a pretty decent person for someone in his position. That wasn't all the Vikings were and doesn't excuse everything Charlemagne did, but he was one of the relatively few people who actually sought to create something better than TheLowMiddleAges and our ability to critique him probably shows he succeeded.succeeded.
* At the beginning of Maximilian's chapter, Edward says "I will not argue that I was shocked by the sudden mention of one of my ancestors, the distinguished Maximilian Roivas. It chilled me to my bones. Where had this ancient book come from? How had my ancestor stumbled upon it?" But Edward had already encountered Maximilian's ghost by the time he even knew that the Tome existed, and while the ghost hadn't said anything about the Tome itself, he did warn Edward about the Guardians and tell him how to open the chamber where the Tome was hidden. So why was Edward shocked to learn that Maximilian had also taken up the Tome?
22nd Feb '15 9:31:37 PM AimlessMeadering
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** It's more likely that the temple was built on top of him. Mantorok is the only one of the Ancients that exists fully and physically in the universe and has been a positive influence in human life by serving (as befits a god of decay whose body rots underground) as a fertility god. When he was being worshiped, it didn't matter where he was, but once impaled by the enchanted stakes, he couldn't move, if he could ever move in the first place.



** Probably because those are the three colors your eye can see. Go look at old newspapers that are in color. Yellow is made of tiny blue and green dots.

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** Probably because those are the three colors your eye can see. Go look at old newspapers that are in color. Yellow is made of tiny blue and green dots. Also, the Yellow god (the reason the runes are yellow) was cut from the game.
19th Feb '15 8:46:49 PM AimlessMeadering
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** Without Paul and Anthony's investigations, the subsequent Tome-bearers wouldn't have learned the spells they unlocked (particularly the Pargon rune) and Peter Jacobs would probably never have known to look for the Old Tower (or realized there was one at all). They were the ones who blazed the trail he followed to get to the Black Guardian, and showed him exactly what he'd be going up against.
29th Oct '14 6:57:17 PM undead2814
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** And don't forget, Max *was* insane by that point. IIRC his father's last letter says that he put a curse on the seal of the first letter so whoever reads it will lose what's left of their sanity. Not to mention, the other survivors seemed sad, but stable, whereas Max ended up screaming "May the rats eat your eyes!!!" and giving some...interesting beastiary commentary.
10th Jul '14 10:42:22 PM Turtler
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*** It's also worth noting that FairForItsDay applies, even without trying to figure out the metaphysics that would get caused by the Ancients' involvements. One did not live very long being a post-Roman warlord and king by following the Geneva Convention (which didn't even exist at the time), and a lot of the people he fought were trying to do the exact same thing in just as bad or worse ways and means. The other reason why Charlemagne gets lionized today is that [[CrapsackWorld for the world he lived in]] he was pretty moral. The [[HornyVikings Vikings]] in particular qualified as AssholeVictim material to most of (Western) Europe since they were more or less terrifyingly effective, mass-murdering terrorist pirates with a religious motive to do things like human sacrifice as well as the more straightforward [[MoneyDearBoy motives.]] That wasn't all the Vikings were and doesn't excuse Charlemagne, but as far as people in his situation went he *was* fairly well-intentioned and moral.

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*** It's also worth noting that FairForItsDay applies, even without trying to figure out the metaphysics that would get caused by the Ancients' involvements. One did not live No Post-Roman FeudalOverlord lived very long being a post-Roman warlord and king by following if they tried to follow the Geneva Convention Conventions (which didn't even exist at the time), time) or always turned the other cheek, and a lot of the people he fought were trying to do the exact same thing in just as bad or worse ways and means. The other reason why Charlemagne gets lionized today is that [[CrapsackWorld for the world he lived in]] he was pretty moral. The [[HornyVikings Vikings]] in particular qualified as AssholeVictim material to most of (Western) Europe since they were more or less terrifyingly effective, mass-murdering terrorist pirates with a religious motive to do things like human sacrifice as well as the more straightforward [[MoneyDearBoy motives.]] ]] What makes Charlemagne notable was not only his success, but the fact that by all accounts, [[CrapsackWorld for the world he lived in]], he was not only very successful and fare-sighted but a pretty decent person for someone in his position. That wasn't all the Vikings were and doesn't excuse Charlemagne, everything Charlemagne did, but as far as he was one of the relatively few people in his situation went he *was* fairly well-intentioned who actually sought to create something better than TheLowMiddleAges and moral.our ability to critique him probably shows he succeeded.
10th Jul '14 10:19:53 PM Turtler
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** Charlemagne was certainly no saint, but in the long view (which is what an Ancient would care about), he was a force for unity and order in human civilization, which meant that he was bad for the Ancients' plans. Note that the Ancients had their fingers in several other historical pies, such as the Hunnic invasions, World War I, and the Inquisition. All of these events served to divide and turn people against each other, thus keeping them from finding out about and uniting against the Ancients. It's also possible that Charlemagne himself had somehow become aware of the Ancients, and that his historical actions were part of some plan to oppose them. That's just speculation, though. Also bear in mind that this game is, at its heart, Lovecraftian fiction. Normal notions of morality don't always apply.

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** Charlemagne was certainly no saint, but in the long view (which is what an Ancient would care about), he was a force for unity and order in human civilization, which meant that he was bad for the Ancients' plans. Note that the Ancients had their fingers in several other historical pies, such as the Hunnic invasions, World War I, and the Inquisition. All of these events served to divide and turn people against each other, thus keeping them from finding out about and uniting against the Ancients. It's also possible that Charlemagne himself had somehow become aware of the Ancients, and that his historical actions were part of some plan to oppose them. That's just speculation, though. Also bear in mind that this game is, at its heart, Lovecraftian fiction. Normal notions of morality don't always apply.apply.
*** It's also worth noting that FairForItsDay applies, even without trying to figure out the metaphysics that would get caused by the Ancients' involvements. One did not live very long being a post-Roman warlord and king by following the Geneva Convention (which didn't even exist at the time), and a lot of the people he fought were trying to do the exact same thing in just as bad or worse ways and means. The other reason why Charlemagne gets lionized today is that [[CrapsackWorld for the world he lived in]] he was pretty moral. The [[HornyVikings Vikings]] in particular qualified as AssholeVictim material to most of (Western) Europe since they were more or less terrifyingly effective, mass-murdering terrorist pirates with a religious motive to do things like human sacrifice as well as the more straightforward [[MoneyDearBoy motives.]] That wasn't all the Vikings were and doesn't excuse Charlemagne, but as far as people in his situation went he *was* fairly well-intentioned and moral.
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