History Headscratchers / EnslavedOdysseyToTheWest

11th Oct '15 6:37:23 PM Willbyr
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* End Game Spoiler: [[spoiler:If Pyramid intended to bring all the people together into his HappyWorld, [[FridgeLogic why did he do that by having them captured by threatening death machines?]]]]

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* End Game Spoiler: [[spoiler:If Pyramid intended to bring all the people together into his HappyWorld, happy world, [[FridgeLogic why did he do that by having them captured by threatening death machines?]]]]
20th Jan '14 1:14:48 AM FuzzyWulfe
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**** You get the impression as the game story progresses that he's a survivor. While he's irritated at what she did, he doesn't blame her for using the tools at hand to ensure her survival over his.
4th Mar '13 12:10:19 PM misfit119
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**** TheUnfairSex may apply but only if you completely swap the characters as they currently exist. If we were to redefine both of the characters properly I don't believe that would necessarily be the case. If Trip was a clearly frightened, teenage boy genius and Monkey was a scarred, grizzled amazon of a woman then I think things could very easily be flipped on their heads without producing that sort of result. As a matter of fact it might even work a bit better thematically, removing the whole manipulative bitch angle you get whenever a female in media does something like this. The core point here is that while Trip does enslave Monkey the game VERY much goes out of its way to explain that they need each character and the relationship, while messed up, is actually one where Trip is technically still the subordinate. She can tell Monkey what she wants done but if he dies doing it for her, she dies out in the wastes. If she endangers him too badly she risks her own life. There's a very yin-ying quality to their relationship that presents Trip as well intentioned but conniving and Monkey as self-serving but good hearted.
5th Nov '11 7:25:11 AM Jonn
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** Airships.

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** Airships.For that last one: airships.
5th Nov '11 7:25:00 AM Jonn
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* Trip's Village: [[spoiler: Why did the mechs kill everyone? If they were working for Pyramid, it makes no sense to murder everyone. If they were rogue war mechs, how did they defeat the bridge defenses?]]

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* Trip's Village: [[spoiler: Why did the mechs kill everyone? If they were working for Pyramid, it makes no sense to murder everyone. If they were rogue war mechs, how did they defeat the bridge defenses?]]defenses?]]
** Airships.
17th Apr '11 12:45:41 PM Illuminatus
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** I think the implication was that the world had undergone some sort of Robot War apocalypse, and that while [[spoiler:Pyramid was trying to keep the people safe and happy with its own mechs]], not all mechs were working for [[spoiler:Pyramid]]. The majority of the mechs we see in the game are likely "wild", under no master but still following their centuries-old "kill all humans" programming.

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** I think the implication was that the world had undergone some sort of Robot War apocalypse, and that while [[spoiler:Pyramid was trying to keep the people safe and happy with its own mechs]], not all mechs were working for [[spoiler:Pyramid]]. The majority of the mechs we see in the game are likely "wild", under no master but still following their centuries-old "kill all humans" programming.programming.

* Trip's Village: [[spoiler: Why did the mechs kill everyone? If they were working for Pyramid, it makes no sense to murder everyone. If they were rogue war mechs, how did they defeat the bridge defenses?]]
13th Apr '11 4:22:35 PM Crassius
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** I think the implication was that the world had undergone some sort of Robot War apocalypse, and that while [[spoiler:Pyramid was trying to keep the people safe and happy with its own mechs]], not all mechs were working for [[Pyramid]]. The majority of the mechs we see in the game are likely "wild", under no master but still following their centuries-old "kill all humans" programming.

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** I think the implication was that the world had undergone some sort of Robot War apocalypse, and that while [[spoiler:Pyramid was trying to keep the people safe and happy with its own mechs]], not all mechs were working for [[Pyramid]].[[spoiler:Pyramid]]. The majority of the mechs we see in the game are likely "wild", under no master but still following their centuries-old "kill all humans" programming.
13th Apr '11 4:21:37 PM Crassius
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* So wait.. the robots were working for Pyramid? The robots who destroyed the world? When pyramid was actually [[spoiler:trying to save the people from the.. robots and the hellish post-war wasteland?]] I.. er?

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* So wait.. the robots were working for Pyramid? The robots who destroyed the world? When pyramid was actually [[spoiler:trying to save the people from the.. robots and the hellish post-war wasteland?]] I.. er?er?
** I think the implication was that the world had undergone some sort of Robot War apocalypse, and that while [[spoiler:Pyramid was trying to keep the people safe and happy with its own mechs]], not all mechs were working for [[Pyramid]]. The majority of the mechs we see in the game are likely "wild", under no master but still following their centuries-old "kill all humans" programming.
7th Apr '11 7:11:55 PM raithe
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** Let's think through this logically. You have a device wired into your brain which gives someone else control of you and has enough feedback to cause hallucinations. The only one who can remove this thing is the one who put it on you, controls you, and has implemented at least one failsafe in case of attempted murder. Are you really going knock her out, maim her, and then expect her to safely remove the thing? Work under threat of torture probably isn't going to go well and would you trust her even if it was? Plus, this isn't the way you want to test for safeguards. Even ignoring all that, Monkey would have to wait until he got out of an area crawling with mechs before he would risk lots of loud noise attracting them, and by the time they leave the city they've bonded at least a little.
13th Mar '11 8:55:54 PM PhantomKitty
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**** Perhaps but it goes both ways. Would the situation be different (or perceived as such) if Trip were a male? Probably. Her killing of Pyramid would likely carry no sort of ambiguity. Certainly there would be a difference if Monkey were female. At the same time, both sides are exaggerating the extremes of both characters. Neither character is flawless and both are in difficult situations where there is likely no good answer. They do bad things and while that may degrade their moral superiority, ultimately, they both try to do good things. In the end, while Trip may do bad things and Monkey may do good things, they don't do things bad enough and frivolously enough to warrant the calls of Monkey basically counter-abusing Trip (really, when is that ever a good response?) or the calls that Monkey isn't free of blame (part of the whole story is that Monkey -is- selfish and callous himself and cares nothing of the destruction he causes or the people he hurts).
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