History Headscratchers / Emberverse

11th Jun '15 9:15:05 AM Snarf
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** The problem the Bearkillers face is similar to that faced by Thurston's regime in Idaho: not enough people in the current generation have had experience with democracy. After Mike's death, the two ''de facto'' leaders of the outfit were teenagers pre-Change who possibly hadn't even reached voting age before the world fell apart. Once the senior generation of Bearkillers is gone (and it pretty much is within a single generation of the Change) there's no frame of reference for democracy. And while Thurston could at least keep the state and local governments in Idaho intact (albeit under martial law) the Havel clan was starting from scratch. So the death of direct democracy was somewhat faster in the Bearkiller lands.
10th Jun '15 3:44:11 PM Snarf
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*** WordOfGod is that the pre-Change world is not ''precisely'' our own world. There are some differences--some subtle, some more significant. The wreck of the ''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Edmund_Fitzgerald Edmund Fitzgerald]]'' is discovered on the shores of Lake Michigan, for example, implying that it did not sink in 1975 as in our world but stayed in service up till the Change. So it's possible that in this world the Mennonites settled elsewhere. It's a good way of covering gaps in research without compromising the story.
12th Mar '14 6:21:08 PM Enjoydamoment
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** Possibly explained by simple author bias--Stirling's works seem big-L Libertarian in tone; London was an avowed Socialist.

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** Possibly explained by simple author bias--Stirling's works seem big-L Libertarian in tone; London was an avowed Socialist.Socialist.
**As for those informative plaques, people probably would have scavenged the metal.
2nd Feb '14 10:23:40 PM Flimpy
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* [[spoiler: In ''The Given Sacrifice'' Jack London's estate in Sonoma County, California is restored to working order, but Ingolf and company have no idea who Jack London was. Granted, Ingolf's lifestyle doesn't lend itself to a lot of reading, but we know he's been around better educated people (like Rudi, Mathilda, and Father Ignatius) who at least would have heard of Jack London. Unlike a lot of 20th century literature London's work (particularly ''The Sea Wolf'', ''White Fang'', and ''Call of the Wild'') would resonate well with post-Change society and would at least be available in any large surviving libraries (both the Oregon State University library and the Portland city library would be available to the characters). This is especially glaring since, at the time of the Change, the estate was a state park and would have been fully designated with signs, bronze plaques, etc. explaining to the odd visitor exactly who Jack London was and why he was important. Some of this information should have survived.]]

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* [[spoiler: In ''The Given Sacrifice'' Jack London's estate in Sonoma County, California is restored to working order, but Ingolf and company have no idea who Jack London was. Granted, Ingolf's lifestyle doesn't lend itself to a lot of reading, but we know he's been around better educated people (like Rudi, Mathilda, and Father Ignatius) who at least would have heard of Jack London. Unlike a lot of 20th century literature London's work (particularly ''The Sea Wolf'', ''White Fang'', and ''Call of the Wild'') would resonate well with post-Change society and would at least be available in any large surviving libraries (both the Oregon State University library and the Portland city library would be available to the characters). This is especially glaring since, at the time of the Change, the estate was a state park and would have been fully designated with signs, bronze plaques, etc. explaining to the odd visitor exactly who Jack London was and why he was important. Some of this information should have survived.]]]]
** Possibly explained by simple author bias--Stirling's works seem big-L Libertarian in tone; London was an avowed Socialist.
18th Dec '13 11:13:28 AM Snarf
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* [[spoiler: In ''The Given Sacrifice'' Jack London's estate in Sonoma County, California is restored to working order, but Ingolf and company have no idea who Jack London was. Granted, Ingolf's lifestyle doesn't lend itself to a lot of reading, but we know he's been around better educated people (like Rudi, Mathilda, and Father Ignatius) who at least would have heard of Jack London. Unlike a lot of 20th century literature London's work (particularly ''The Sea Wolf'', ''White Fang'', and ''Call of the Wild'') would resonate well with post-Change society and would at least be available in any large surviving libraries (both the Oregon State University library and the Portland city library would be available to the characters). This is especially glaring since, at the time of the Change, the estate was a state park with a ''museum dedicated to London'' on its grounds. At least some information should have survived, even if the characters weren't immediately acquainted with Jack London at first.]]

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* [[spoiler: In ''The Given Sacrifice'' Jack London's estate in Sonoma County, California is restored to working order, but Ingolf and company have no idea who Jack London was. Granted, Ingolf's lifestyle doesn't lend itself to a lot of reading, but we know he's been around better educated people (like Rudi, Mathilda, and Father Ignatius) who at least would have heard of Jack London. Unlike a lot of 20th century literature London's work (particularly ''The Sea Wolf'', ''White Fang'', and ''Call of the Wild'') would resonate well with post-Change society and would at least be available in any large surviving libraries (both the Oregon State University library and the Portland city library would be available to the characters). This is especially glaring since, at the time of the Change, the estate was a state park and would have been fully designated with a ''museum dedicated signs, bronze plaques, etc. explaining to London'' on its grounds. At least some the odd visitor exactly who Jack London was and why he was important. Some of this information should have survived, even if the characters weren't immediately acquainted with Jack London at first.survived.]]
18th Dec '13 11:06:52 AM Snarf
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*** Carrier pigeons also navigate via magnetic fields. People who routinely breed and race carrier pigeons keep track of sunspot activity to ensure that [[http://solar-center.stanford.edu/solar-weather/pigeons.html their very expensive birds don't get lost]]. Considering the effect that the Change had on ''humans'', it's safe to say that more than a few pigeons went off course.

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*** Carrier pigeons also navigate via magnetic fields. People who routinely breed and race carrier pigeons keep track of sunspot activity to ensure that [[http://solar-center.stanford.edu/solar-weather/pigeons.html their very expensive birds don't get lost]]. Considering the effect that the Change had on ''humans'', it's safe to say that more than a few pigeons went off course.course.
*[[spoiler: In ''The Given Sacrifice'' Jack London's estate in Sonoma County, California is restored to working order, but Ingolf and company have no idea who Jack London was. Granted, Ingolf's lifestyle doesn't lend itself to a lot of reading, but we know he's been around better educated people (like Rudi, Mathilda, and Father Ignatius) who at least would have heard of Jack London. Unlike a lot of 20th century literature London's work (particularly ''The Sea Wolf'', ''White Fang'', and ''Call of the Wild'') would resonate well with post-Change society and would at least be available in any large surviving libraries (both the Oregon State University library and the Portland city library would be available to the characters). This is especially glaring since, at the time of the Change, the estate was a state park with a ''museum dedicated to London'' on its grounds. At least some information should have survived, even if the characters weren't immediately acquainted with Jack London at first.]]
19th Sep '13 2:24:27 PM Snarf
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*** Carrier pigeons work best going one-way, to their home roosts. Generally they're carried elsewhere, then released to deliver a message home. A carrier pigeon messenger service counts on having the home roost in one place and a food source in another, but even then they are vulnerable to anyone wanting a quick meal while en route.

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*** Carrier pigeons work best going one-way, to their home roosts. Generally they're carried elsewhere, then released to deliver a message home. A carrier pigeon messenger service counts on having the home roost in one place and a food source in another, but even then they are vulnerable to anyone wanting a quick meal while en route.route.
*** Carrier pigeons also navigate via magnetic fields. People who routinely breed and race carrier pigeons keep track of sunspot activity to ensure that [[http://solar-center.stanford.edu/solar-weather/pigeons.html their very expensive birds don't get lost]]. Considering the effect that the Change had on ''humans'', it's safe to say that more than a few pigeons went off course.
21st Oct '12 9:52:27 PM Snarf
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*** Arminger was a Period Nazi, especially at first. If carrier pigeons weren't used around the 11th-12th centuries, he wouldn't have considered using them himself.

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*** Arminger was a Period Nazi, especially at first. If carrier pigeons weren't used around the 11th-12th centuries, he wouldn't have considered using them himself.himself.
*** Carrier pigeons work best going one-way, to their home roosts. Generally they're carried elsewhere, then released to deliver a message home. A carrier pigeon messenger service counts on having the home roost in one place and a food source in another, but even then they are vulnerable to anyone wanting a quick meal while en route.
16th Oct '12 9:35:38 PM BuccoBabe
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*** I can get a few desperate indaviduals doing that, but I know there are some in Portland, and a smart guy like Arminger would probably know the worth of the birds and their keepers.

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*** I can get a few desperate indaviduals doing that, but I know there are some in Portland, and a smart guy like Arminger would probably know the worth of the birds and their keepers.keepers.
*** Arminger was a Period Nazi, especially at first. If carrier pigeons weren't used around the 11th-12th centuries, he wouldn't have considered using them himself.
11th Oct '12 9:51:36 PM BuccoBabe
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** It is revealed later, through a speech by Mike Havel, Jr. in ''The Scourge of God'', that the free folk of the Bearkillers will hail the next Bear Lord.

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** It is revealed later, through a speech by Mike Havel, Jr. in ''The Scourge of God'', that the free folk of the Bearkillers will hail the next Bear Lord.Lord.
** It's pretty clear which way that's going to go, though.
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