History Headscratchers / ElfQuest

4th Dec '17 1:01:13 PM HermelinGraduate
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*** On that note? Forcing someone to do something against their will has never actually solved anything in ElfQuest: when anybody tries to force someone else to change their mind, they always resist out of spite, and it never helps anything. The Wolfriders try to force the Trolls to shelter them by arguing that they're owed a favor in return for all their good deeds in the past, but all it does is convince Greymung that the Trolls don't ''need'' the Elves, and he strands them in the desert out of spite. Winnowill doubles down on her plans whenever Leetah tries to forcibly heal her twisted mind. Kahvi tries to demand half of the Little Palace because because she's a Go-Back and that's what she does , the Sun Folk refuse because she already tried to take it by force, even though splitting the Little Palace wouldn't make it any less effective for them. If Venka had forcibly stopped Rayek, all it would have done is leave Rayek convinced that it ''would'' have worked perfectly, or else Venka wouldn't have been so dead-set on stopping him, and he'd be looking for another way just to prove her wrong. Letting him make that choice and realize the error of his ways meant that he would never make a second attempt, and that realization leads him to some huge character development.
6th Dec '16 8:16:41 AM Sunjinjo
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* ''Haken's a guy. He's implied to be the ancestor of both Rayek and Winnowill, which explains a lot about their characters. It also makes things interesting when they're forced to share one body.''
** ''Haken's body, to be exact. Or more accurately, Rayek's body re-imagined as a High One by Winnowill (who lives in Rayek's mind), apparently based very directly on her daddy.''

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* ''Haken's Haken's a guy. He's implied to be the ancestor of both Rayek and Winnowill, which explains a lot about their characters. It also makes things interesting when they're forced to share one body.''
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** ''Haken's ''Haken's'' body, to be exact. Or more accurately, Rayek's body re-imagined as a High One by Winnowill (who lives in Rayek's mind), apparently based very directly on her daddy.''



** It's because Kahvi told him to ''teach him so he learns''. Forcing him would just make him do what he always does: blame somebody else for ruining his dream without having to realize that his dream was selfish and cruel, justifying his next effort to do the same thing. Venka spends a while sharing memories with Zhantee to get to know Rayek as close to first hand as possible, she knows he's not a ''bad'' person or incapable of empathy, just ambitious and self-centered, that's why she asks if he can carry out his plan with all of his potential victims watching. She already knows he ''can't''.

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** It's because Kahvi told him her to ''teach him so he learns''. Forcing him would just make him do what he always does: blame somebody else for ruining his dream without having to realize that his dream was selfish and cruel, justifying his next effort to do the same thing. Venka spends a while sharing memories with Zhantee to get to know Rayek as close to first hand as possible, she knows he's not a ''bad'' person or incapable of empathy, just ambitious and self-centered, that's why she asks if he can carry out his plan with all of his potential victims watching. She already knows he ''can't''.
6th Dec '16 4:15:16 AM Sunjinjo
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** Unless you count Timmain as a chief. She was seen as one by the rest of the Circle of Nine.
17th Feb '16 8:40:56 AM embyquinn
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**** She has one named Patience during Hidden Years. She presumably bonded with it after the long sleep, but it could have been that the wolves slept with the elves. Also, if Cutter got Nightrunner when he was seven, and lost him when he was in his early thirties (the twins were about five), that is still pretty long for a wolf. I am willing to let this one go with "there are different amounts of elf blood in each wolf, just as some elves have more wolf blood in them (Two Spear, Ember, Strongbow) than others (Wreath, Suntop, Skywise)."

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*****Warfrost came from the trolls' pit-trap, and the fact that [[spoiler:Timmain in wolf-form]] was also in that trap implies that the wolves therein, including Warfrost, still had elven blood even though they were not part of the Wolfriders' pack of wolves. [[spoiler:Also, Two-Spear's splinter group of Wolfriders ended up in the same general area, along with their wolves.]] So Warfrost was most likely an elf-blooded wolf and therefore lived longer. In fact, since [[spoiler:Timmain was a member of Warfrost's pack,]] it's more than possible that Warfrost had ''more'' elf blood than a great many of the Wolfriders' wolves!
**** She Tyleet has one named Patience during Hidden Years. She presumably bonded with it after the long sleep, but it could have been that the wolves slept with the elves. Also, if Cutter got Nightrunner when he was seven, and lost him when he was in his early thirties (the twins were about five), that is still pretty long for a wolf. I am willing to let this one go with "there are different amounts of elf blood in each wolf, just as some elves have more wolf blood in them (Two Spear, Ember, Strongbow) than others (Wreath, Suntop, Skywise)."
3rd Oct '15 3:35:57 AM PurpleAlert
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** One of the first things they discovered after landing was that something about the planet inhibited their magic. Skipping their bodies may not have been an option until after they'd started to feel at home on the planet and appreciate life there for what it was.

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** One of the first things they discovered after landing was that something about the planet inhibited their magic. Skipping their bodies may not have been an option until after they'd started to feel at home on the planet and appreciate life there for what it was.was.
** Ekuar covers this at one point, saying that the High Ones chose their bodies because living a physical life is good. When you abandon all earthly suffering, you also cut out earthly joy, and to them, earthly joy was worth it.
19th Sep '15 1:06:32 PM nombretomado
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*** I think the point of that scene is that driving the lesson home to a person who is ready to retcon everybody else out of existence ''is'' worth it - at least, it's worth it in this universe. This is because ElfQuest is [[WideEyedIdealist extremely far]] to the idealist end on the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism. It's like the universe is designed to work in favour of Venka's approach.

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*** I think the point of that scene is that driving the lesson home to a person who is ready to retcon everybody else out of existence ''is'' worth it - at least, it's worth it in this universe. This is because ElfQuest ''ComicBook/ElfQuest'' is [[WideEyedIdealist extremely far]] to the idealist end on the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism. It's like the universe is designed to work in favour of Venka's approach.
25th Apr '15 10:10:14 AM AimlessMeadering
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*** Who says she didn't? She tells Rayek she won't because she wants him to make the right choice, but she was standing right with him the whole time. She had no trouble shutting Winnowill down from a ''massive'' distance, so if Rayek made a wrong move, she could have brain-slapped him into a coma.
20th Jul '14 12:05:08 PM Karalora
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* If the original High Ones had been as comfortable with leaving their bodies and existing in a spiritual form as Timmain's account of the elves' origins suggests, why didn't the ones who got stranded on Abode in the first place just write off their physical bodies, slip into a trance, and leave? If they'd been living so long without pain, fear, hunger, or any other sort of earthly suffering, and knew for a fact that existence without bodies wasn't anything to dread, why were they so determined to stick around that one of them forfeited her very sentience to let them do so?

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* If the original High Ones had been as comfortable with leaving their bodies and existing in a spiritual form as Timmain's account of the elves' origins suggests, why didn't the ones who got stranded on Abode in the first place just write off their physical bodies, slip into a trance, and leave? If they'd been living so long without pain, fear, hunger, or any other sort of earthly suffering, and knew for a fact that existence without bodies wasn't anything to dread, why were they so determined to stick around that one of them forfeited her very sentience to let them do so?so?
** One of the first things they discovered after landing was that something about the planet inhibited their magic. Skipping their bodies may not have been an option until after they'd started to feel at home on the planet and appreciate life there for what it was.
23rd Mar '14 12:47:25 AM SharleeD
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** Presumably it's "blood of", as in "''shares'' the blood of.



**** She has one named Patience during Hidden Years. She presumably bonded with it after the long sleep, but it could have been that the wolves slept with the elves. Also, if Cutter got Nightrunner when he was seven, and lost him when he was in his early thirties (the twins were about five), that is still pretty long for a wolf. I am willing to let this one go with "there are different amounts of elf blood in each wolf, just as some elves have more wolf blood in them (Two Spear, Ember, Strongbow) than others (Wreath, Suntop, Skywise)."

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**** She has one named Patience during Hidden Years. She presumably bonded with it after the long sleep, but it could have been that the wolves slept with the elves. Also, if Cutter got Nightrunner when he was seven, and lost him when he was in his early thirties (the twins were about five), that is still pretty long for a wolf. I am willing to let this one go with "there are different amounts of elf blood in each wolf, just as some elves have more wolf blood in them (Two Spear, Ember, Strongbow) than others (Wreath, Suntop, Skywise).""

* If the original High Ones had been as comfortable with leaving their bodies and existing in a spiritual form as Timmain's account of the elves' origins suggests, why didn't the ones who got stranded on Abode in the first place just write off their physical bodies, slip into a trance, and leave? If they'd been living so long without pain, fear, hunger, or any other sort of earthly suffering, and knew for a fact that existence without bodies wasn't anything to dread, why were they so determined to stick around that one of them forfeited her very sentience to let them do so?
2nd Nov '13 2:45:10 AM Demavend
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* Cutter being "the blood of ten chiefs". He's only a direct descendant to nine chiefs, since Two-Spear isn't his direct ancestor. Should we read "blood of" loosely as "somehow related to"?
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